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#1 Feb 02 2011 at 6:22 PM Rating: Default
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I'm at work right now, so I can't test it myself.

The patch implied that the load on older systems would be less.

I've got two gaming rigs at home, but I'm really interested in whether this patch makes the game playable on a 2008-2009 MacBook (Unibody, 9400M). I mean, I could play it before, but it wasn't something I'd play on regularly.

Any input on performance gains?
#2 Feb 02 2011 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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My opinion to this point has always been to overestimate, not underestimate.

However, if they have changed things that would affect the performance on lower end systems, then things may have changed and I can't measure that accurately; no one can.

My best suggestion to you is to test it when you get home and see how it performs for yourself. All of the "It's slow on my computer" and "It's fine on my computer" doesn't mean **** when it comes to yours.

Best of luck :)
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#3 Feb 02 2011 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Good point. I was shooting more for the "it ran fine but it runs better now" and "it ran like crap but now it's playable," but I agree.
#4 Feb 02 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe I'll give it a few days and put up a poll after the weekend to see if people notice any significant changes.
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#5 Feb 02 2011 at 6:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll ask this here since I don't want to start a new thread just for my own interests:

Now that the game has been out a while, especially with this update supposedly lessening the load on lower-end PCs, what is the minimum setup I could get away with playing this game on? I don't need stellar graphics - I was going to be playing on PS3 but really would like if I didn't have to wait indefinitely because I just can't bring myself to start FFXI again and DCUO, while fun, isn't going to cut it. As long as the game would run smoothly and look average, I'd be happy. If I do buy a PC for this game I'm going to just put the PC next to my TV and play on a 46"; I don't know if that effects anything, but I can't afford to consider a monitor on top of the PC costs. So just curious; what could I get away with? I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to PC components and such. Are there any pre-manufactured PCs that people know are running this game that I could buy ready made?

I remember before the game came out, when it was in beta and I was able to play (I was in beta)on really low settings on my Asus notebook that people were going nuts because of the benchmark and recommended requirements and than when it came out it wasn't AS crazy as people had anticipated, and now if they've made it anymore accessible, that would only help my cause, so I'm wondering if there's any chance I might actually be playing this game within the next month or so.

I was able to run the beta on low settings on an Asus x83v laptop. That probably won't cut it, right?

Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 2.26 GHz
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#6 Feb 02 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Pick up a 5770. Pretty sure that CPU can handle it without a bottleneck. Might wanna look into overclocking it to at least 3.0 GHz though.
#7 Feb 02 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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MCraine wrote:
I'll ask this here since I don't want to start a new thread just for my own interests:

Now that the game has been out a while, especially with this update supposedly lessening the load on lower-end PCs, what is the minimum setup I could get away with playing this game on? I don't need stellar graphics - I was going to be playing on PS3 but really would like if I didn't have to wait indefinitely because I just can't bring myself to start FFXI again and DCUO, while fun, isn't going to cut it. As long as the game would run smoothly and look average, I'd be happy. If I do buy a PC for this game I'm going to just put the PC next to my TV and play on a 46"; I don't know if that effects anything, but I can't afford to consider a monitor on top of the PC costs. So just curious; what could I get away with? I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to PC components and such. Are there any pre-manufactured PCs that people know are running this game that I could buy ready made?

I remember before the game came out, when it was in beta and I was able to play (I was in beta)on really low settings on my Asus notebook that people were going nuts because of the benchmark and recommended requirements and than when it came out it wasn't AS crazy as people had anticipated, and now if they've made it anymore accessible, that would only help my cause, so I'm wondering if there's any chance I might actually be playing this game within the next month or so.

I was able to run the beta on low settings on an Asus x83v laptop. That probably won't cut it, right?

Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 2.26 GHz
4GB DDR2 RAM
320GB 7200 rpm Hard drive
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I'm going to give you two points of view here:

One is that I would suggest upgrading and/or a desktop. Even if that was a desktop, the specs are low end, and laptops are always weaker than similarly specced desktops.

Two is that since this patch literally just happened, it's not possible to quickly and accurately measure the results of it, and ultimately, the only answer to "How well will my computer play FFXIV?" is to play FFXIV on that computer.

For the time being, I'm still going to suggest to you the same thing I suggest to everyone: Radeon 5770/GTX 460 or higher and a quad core i5/i7 or Phenom II or higher.

However, it is possible to run it on less, at reduced quality. And as I mentioned, it's impossible to accurately measure the effect of the patch that just happened today. For now, I'd give your laptop another try if you can, and I'd give it a few days to see if more people are noticing performance increases.
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#8 Feb 02 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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SoumaKyou wrote:
Pick up a 5770. Pretty sure that CPU can handle it without a bottleneck. Might wanna look into overclocking it to at least 3.0 GHz though.


He said it was a laptop, sadly :/
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#9 Feb 02 2011 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can't install new graphics cards in laptops I thought? Helpful to know that the laptop may have been alright otherwise though.
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#10 Feb 02 2011 at 7:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:




For the time being, I'm still going to suggest to you the same thing I suggest to everyone: Radeon 5770/GTX 460 or higher and a quad core i5/i7 or Phenom II or higher.

However, it is possible to run it on less, at reduced quality. And as I mentioned, it's impossible to accurately measure the effect of the patch that just happened today. For now, I'd give your laptop another try if you can, and I'd give it a few days to see if more people are noticing performance increases.


If I were going to buy a computer, I'd definitely be going desktop because I have caught on enough to learn that you can get a lot more for less out of a desktop. I'd try it on the Asus that ran beta but I don't want to buy a PC copy of the game only to find out that the Asus won't run it and then not be able to afford to build/buy a brand new PC just to play the game. It had crossed my mind to try it on the Asus just to see what happens, but I just don't want to have to buy a copy and end up not being able to make use of it. That recommendation of yours is one I've heard before, maybe by you in threads here, but I don't know how much lower I can go if I'm alright with decreasing the settings because I don't know the difference between a 5770 and a 5750, for example.
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#11 Feb 02 2011 at 7:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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MCraine wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:




For the time being, I'm still going to suggest to you the same thing I suggest to everyone: Radeon 5770/GTX 460 or higher and a quad core i5/i7 or Phenom II or higher.

However, it is possible to run it on less, at reduced quality. And as I mentioned, it's impossible to accurately measure the effect of the patch that just happened today. For now, I'd give your laptop another try if you can, and I'd give it a few days to see if more people are noticing performance increases.


If I were going to buy a computer, I'd definitely be going desktop because I have caught on enough to learn that you can get a lot more for less out of a desktop. I'd try it on the Asus that ran beta but I don't want to buy a PC copy of the game only to find out that the Asus won't run it and then not be able to afford to build/buy a brand new PC just to play the game. It had crossed my mind to try it on the Asus just to see what happens, but I just don't want to have to buy a copy and end up not being able to make use of it. That recommendation of yours is one I've heard before, maybe by you in threads here, but I don't know how much lower I can go if I'm alright with decreasing the settings because I don't know the difference between a 5770 and a 5750, for example.


I play on a Dell laptop. Duo Core 2.53Ghz, with 4GB RAM and an NVIDIA 9600m GS video card. While the graphics won't blow your panties off, the game runs perfectly fine on this laptop. I too am stuck in your boat. I have a 60" plasma and PS3 sitting here begging to have FFXIV played on them, but alas. SE needs to hurry the fook up and release the PS3 edition. You'll be fine in the meantime though. :)
#12 Feb 02 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elswick78 wrote:


I play on a Dell laptop. Duo Core 2.53Ghz, with 4GB RAM and an NVIDIA 9600m GS video card. While the graphics won't blow your panties off, the game runs perfectly fine on this laptop. I too am stuck in your boat. I have a 60" plasma and PS3 sitting here begging to have FFXIV played on them, but alas. SE needs to hurry the fook up and release the PS3 edition. You'll be fine in the meantime though. :)


Unless I'm missing anything, that laptop is very, very comparable to the one I ran beta on, correct? Not sure what the difference between a 9600m GS and a 9600 GS would be, but it sounds like virtually the same computer with a slightly faster process. You're saying it runs perfectly fine? If that's the case I'm going to go out and get it tomorrow and play on that laptop until the PS3 release and be a very happy man.
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#13 Feb 02 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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MCraine wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:




For the time being, I'm still going to suggest to you the same thing I suggest to everyone: Radeon 5770/GTX 460 or higher and a quad core i5/i7 or Phenom II or higher.

However, it is possible to run it on less, at reduced quality. And as I mentioned, it's impossible to accurately measure the effect of the patch that just happened today. For now, I'd give your laptop another try if you can, and I'd give it a few days to see if more people are noticing performance increases.


If I were going to buy a computer, I'd definitely be going desktop because I have caught on enough to learn that you can get a lot more for less out of a desktop. I'd try it on the Asus that ran beta but I don't want to buy a PC copy of the game only to find out that the Asus won't run it and then not be able to afford to build/buy a brand new PC just to play the game. It had crossed my mind to try it on the Asus just to see what happens, but I just don't want to have to buy a copy and end up not being able to make use of it. That recommendation of yours is one I've heard before, maybe by you in threads here, but I don't know how much lower I can go if I'm alright with decreasing the settings because I don't know the difference between a 5770 and a 5750, for example.


The difference is about 20 bucks.

But seriously, If you had to decide one vs the other, and you're trying to get the most bang for your buck, the 5770/460 are at the perfect spot for that. The 58XX/470 are too expensive for someone on a budget, and the difference in price between the lesser models is negligible for the performance increase you're getting.

Computer parts work on a bit of a bell curve in terms of price vs value for your dollar. On the lowest end, you have terrible $20 cards and on the highest end you have top of the line $1000+ cards.

The $135-175 range is where you want to stay to get a good value for a reasonable price. Lower than that and you're spending money on a NEW part that is mediocre at best. Higher than that is the top end gaming cards, but you'll pay through the nose for them, and each step up costs exponentially more.
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#14 Feb 02 2011 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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MCraine wrote:
Elswick78 wrote:


I play on a Dell laptop. Duo Core 2.53Ghz, with 4GB RAM and an NVIDIA 9600m GS video card. While the graphics won't blow your panties off, the game runs perfectly fine on this laptop. I too am stuck in your boat. I have a 60" plasma and PS3 sitting here begging to have FFXIV played on them, but alas. SE needs to hurry the fook up and release the PS3 edition. You'll be fine in the meantime though. :)


Unless I'm missing anything, that laptop is very, very comparable to the one I ran beta on, correct? Not sure what the difference between a 9600m GS and a 9600 GS would be, but it sounds like virtually the same computer with a slightly faster process. You're saying it runs perfectly fine? If that's the case I'm going to go out and get it tomorrow and play on that laptop until the PS3 release and be a very happy man.


If you're on a laptop, you probably do have a 9600M GS (The M stands for 'Mobile'; i.e. Laptop GPU
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#15 Feb 02 2011 at 7:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Makes sense, I was only wondering because when I looked up my specs it didn't have the M there.
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MCraine wrote:
Elswick78 wrote:


I play on a Dell laptop. Duo Core 2.53Ghz, with 4GB RAM and an NVIDIA 9600m GS video card. While the graphics won't blow your panties off, the game runs perfectly fine on this laptop. I too am stuck in your boat. I have a 60" plasma and PS3 sitting here begging to have FFXIV played on them, but alas. SE needs to hurry the fook up and release the PS3 edition. You'll be fine in the meantime though. :)


Unless I'm missing anything, that laptop is very, very comparable to the one I ran beta on, correct? Not sure what the difference between a 9600m GS and a 9600 GS would be, but it sounds like virtually the same computer with a slightly faster process. You're saying it runs perfectly fine? If that's the case I'm going to go out and get it tomorrow and play on that laptop until the PS3 release and be a very happy man.


It is. That's why I ventured into forbidden territory (for me anyway, as I know less than nothing about computers) and actually contributed to a thread talking about computer technology. If left to my own devices, I'd find a way to break my computer simply by trying to turn it on. But in all honesty, in my opinion the game runs suitably well enough for me to play it. I wouldn't spend a gaming career on it, but it'll do just fine until PS3 drops.
#17 Feb 02 2011 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I can tell you right now, as a desktop replacement user (I wont call what I got a laptop, noway would I put my beast on my lap). Your duo core cpu will bottleneck the game. Desktop replacements are far better off for gaming with a quad core.

Currently I have an alienware m17, its a couple years old, runs the game beautifully. It has an Intel quad core 2.0 and ATI mobility 3870 X2 in crossfire config. However, clevo is just one step away from making desktop replacements, replace desktops with this little beastie http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/709042/MALIBAL-Nine-X7200-Gaming-Laptop-Tech-Review.html . Desktop cpu even at the cheapest config, all they need to do now is resolve the gpu.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2011 9:12pm by Spyrit178
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#18 Feb 02 2011 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't even really know what "bottle necking" means, so I doubt I'll mind it as long as I'm able to play FFXIV on what I have, without spending any money beyond the cost of the game, until the PS3 release. It's not at all that I don't value graphics or performance, just that I'm insanely budget conscious right now and would simply like to be ABLE to play so won't be worrying to much about performance as long as what I get isn't atrocious. And my definition of atrocious is likely way worse than the standards of some of you guys who have really great gaming rigs. For me, as long as it's playing, it's good enough to tide me over until PS3.
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#19 Feb 02 2011 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
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MCraine wrote:
I don't even really know what "bottle necking" means, so I doubt I'll mind it as long as I'm able to play FFXIV on what I have, without spending any money beyond the cost of the game, until the PS3 release.


When referring to computer upgrades, bottleneck refers to the weakest part of your system. Just as they say "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link", your computer is only as fast as its slowest component.

If you have a single core processor, a $1000 video card isn't going to compensate for the CPU bottleneck.
If you have integrated graphics, an i7-980X isn't going to be able to compensate for the terrible drawing quality.
If you only have 1 GB of RAM, no video card or CPU is going to compensate for the lack of memory.

So basically what people are saying is, if you have a low end system and you wanted to upgrade, you can really only go so far with upgrades in one category before you have to consider upgrading other categories. For example, if you had a dual core, you might consider a Radeon 5770, but a 5870 or higher would be a waste of money, since your CPU would be too slow to catch up.

Hopefully that enlightens the subject for you a bit :)
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