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#1 Feb 04 2011 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default
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"As long as it's really, really easy to implement?"

You want an AH? Well, I'm not gonna design an AH interface, but here's the next best thing. Sure, it makes the wards completely pointless, but you want it and, more importantly, it's really easy to implement!

SP got you down? Here's all the SP you can handle! That took me about 15 minutes to implement.

Too much stuff, not enough space? Everything stacks to 99, which is the biggest number I could fit in the box - without changing the size of the box, which would have taken me more than the 5 minutes it took to change the "stack_size_max" variable to 99.

Balance? Who cares about balance! There's no endgame content or PVP! Everyone can level every class to 50!
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#2 Feb 04 2011 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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Worked quite well for Activision-Blizzard. Weren't we saying just a few months ago that making things too complicated just for the sake of being different was a bad thing? Now you're saying you want them to do things in a more complicated manner in the same amount of time as doing them in a less complicated manner? Make up your mind, man/woman/kid/whatever you are.
#3 Feb 04 2011 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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You need to keep in mind that Yoshi-P took the reins less than 2 months ago. From then until now, we've had polls, letters, feedback, promises and implementation. Can anyone claim they expected *this* much to have happened, no matter how marginal you may think it is.

On the other end of the spectrum, would you prefer they claim to want to co-develop with their consumers, but never deliver anything at all?

If you think the changes are stopping at the really easy things, you'll either delusional or trolling. I'm sorry, but there's no nicer way to put that.

If this were February 2012 and it was still status quo, then you might have a solid argument.
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#4 Feb 04 2011 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
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I don't see any reason to hate on Yoshi-P. Seems like he's doing what everyone wants. The only big thing in the last update that people seem put off about is the excessive amounts of SP (Don't ask me, I don't attempt to understand those people). Which probably is just gearing everyone up for a level cap increase and some higher level gear/content. Personally the "give the players what they want" mentality works just fine for me. God knows SE has to make up for years of not doing that with FFXI lol.
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#5 Feb 04 2011 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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what so bad about that?
now i can gather item ( DoL ) as much as i want before i need to go back to city
( stack 99 = ^______________^ )
#6 Feb 04 2011 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Not amused.
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#7 Feb 04 2011 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent
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The sad thing is that we don't know what we want. If the man is working solely based on that ideal he's digging his own grave sooner than later.

I wonder whether the Yoshida-zealots will click the red or green arrow for me stating my opinion..
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#8 Feb 04 2011 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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Hyanmen wrote:
The sad thing is that we don't know what we want. If the man is working solely based on that ideal he's digging his own grave sooner than later.

I wonder whether the Yoshida-zealots will click the red or green arrow for me stating my opinion..


I clicked the green one for a change, because for once I agree with you. When you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody. I don't think the situations is as dire as the OP would lead us to believe, but there is some merit to what he's saying. If SE tries to give everyone what they want, they'll end up chasing their tail in circles until the day the plug gets pulled on the game. As everyone's unique opinions about the direction the game should take span the entire spectrum, this means that somebody is going to get left out. Such are the cold, hard facts of life...
#9 Feb 04 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Hyanmen wrote:
The sad thing is that we don't know what we want. If the man is working solely based on that ideal he's digging his own grave sooner than later.

I wonder whether the Yoshida-zealots will click the red or green arrow for me stating my opinion..
I missed some of the earlier 14 posts, I'd imagine that's where you started annoying people - but after reading through the recent posts from you (say, the last couple months) you've been mostly right on with what you are saying, so I'm not really sure what everyone's problem is. I guess they don't like being reminded that they are playing a broken game, much like people in a wheelchair don't need to be reminded that they are a cripple every day since the things around them sort of make it self explanatory.
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#10 Feb 04 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Make up your mind, man/woman/kid/whatever you are.


man-kid. Like many of us, probably.
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#11 Feb 04 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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I hope Yoshi-P keeps giving me whatever I want. I will enjoy the game more while I play it if he does.
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#12 Feb 04 2011 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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yfaithfully wrote:
SP got you down? Here's all the SP you can handle! That took me about 15 minutes to implement.
Given the drastically higher TNLs in FFXIV, it's now closer to FFXI leveling pace pre-abyssea.
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#13 Feb 04 2011 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see why people are complaining about the buff to SP, it was much needed, in my opinion. Did they change the fatigue threshold? I don't think they did (though I haven't looked into it). But Yoshida made a long monotonous (and not fun) task that much more tolerable.

I think because levelling is really the only task we have to do, it has so much press, but I think with some content being added next patch, it'll offset the attention from here.
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#14 Feb 04 2011 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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If a developer isn't making the changes the players are demanding, they're accused of not listening. At all. If they receive overwhelming feedback around an area of the game players aren't happy with and change it, they're accused of doing everything their players ask for.

It's not so simple. A developer typically has a vision for their game. Certain aspects of that vision are non-negotiable. The developers do it, and you like it or you don't. There are also a great many things a developer can change that don't alter their vision for the game. And sometimes, as would appear to have been the case with FFXIV, a developer's vision is flawed. They stick to their guns and people just don't like it and the dev either has to alter course or watch their game fail.

If players are complaining en masse that leveling is too grindy, reducing the grind isn't giving people everything that they want. Not everything is an absolute. Yoshida has to make changes, and I'm sure people will see over time that not every hair-brained request or mechanic is going to be implemented.
#15 Feb 04 2011 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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People who complain about the SP boost are cute.
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#16 Feb 04 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Doing everything the player wants is a recipie for disaster.

Kids are going to aks for a big I WIN button.
When you press the button, it write on the screen..... you WIN FFXIV !!!
It puts a crown on your head so that you can run around beiing all cool and proud to have accomplished this.
Then they will run back to the forums saying BUT WHY EVERYONE HAS THE CROWN !! it was just for me.

Then again..... you will also have those comming back to the forums saying:
Yoshi!! will you have my baby!!!!
I'm preatty sure that he in the next patch he increase the stack from 99 to 150 he will get tons of marriage proposal.

Some are hard to please.
Some are pleased no matter what.
#17 Feb 04 2011 at 10:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
SP got you down? Here's all the SP you can handle! That took me about 15 minutes to implement.
Given the drastically higher TNLs in FFXIV, it's now closer to FFXI leveling pace pre-abyssea.


Omg! Thank you! THIS.
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#18 Feb 04 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Peronsally I like being a "yoshi-zealot" or whatever. I don't see why everyone isn't. If u don't have faith in the game or it's developer why play it? U'd be playing a dying game which is a waste of time. I have a great deal of faith in him.
And i think it's possible to appease everyone without causing the game to be anything less than amazing. He has so many programmers at his disposal to make this game possible. Your ignorant If u think he hasn't had people working on content while this new patch was being built. He's takng things one step at a time which is honestly the best way to do it. He's shown that he's committed to fixing the game. MMOs are about making everyone happy but at the same time keeping the game as a whole fun. No MMO has perfected it but they all get pretty close. WoW and FFXI both had everyone who played happy and they were/are still going strong today.
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#19 Feb 04 2011 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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a nice post for troll *sign*

all i notice in this zam forum:

1. you dont get the thing you want, you make alot of thread to complain
2. you get what you want, you make alot of thread to complain
#20 Feb 04 2011 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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I like the way the game is shaping up. If he wanted to make me instantly 50 in all my classes I wouldnt complain I would just walk around and tell everyone how hard I worked to get to 50 on all my classes.
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#21 Feb 04 2011 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah at this point i think its necissary to give the masses what they want to build somewhat of a solid user base.
plus anytime something really gamechanging takes place its usually followed by a tweak update or two.

after hes done alot of basic "givem what they want" i can see him steering the rest of the games future in his own vision.
and like someone up there said, Yoshi p was kinda tossed into this so im sure he doesnt have much of his own solid vision as of yet.
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#22 Feb 04 2011 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
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worst post ive seen since i been here.
Well done.........
#23 Feb 04 2011 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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Go Yoshi!!, go Yoshi.. cheers!!!

and that says it all!:)
#24 Feb 04 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Hyanmen wrote:
The sad thing is that we don't know what we want. If the man is working solely based on that ideal he's digging his own grave sooner than later.

I wonder whether the Yoshida-zealots will click the red or green arrow for me stating my opinion..


I'm half tempted to red arrow because my food is now all over my keyboard, having spat it out, but green arrow because that was funny as ****.

Regardless of your opinion on the game, you gotta admit that was funny.
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#25 Feb 04 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm half tempted to red arrow because my food is now all over my keyboard, having spat it out, but green arrow because that was funny as ****.


I was thinking of you and Olo when I wrote the first paragraph. <3
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#26 Feb 04 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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Hyanmen wrote:
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I'm half tempted to red arrow because my food is now all over my keyboard, having spat it out, but green arrow because that was funny as ****.


I was thinking of you and Olo when I wrote the first paragraph. <3


I'm not sure if you're making fun of me or not...

I'm also not sure if it matters :)
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#27 Feb 04 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
SP got you down? Here's all the SP you can handle! That took me about 15 minutes to implement.
Given the drastically higher TNLs in FFXIV, it's now closer to FFXI leveling pace pre-abyssea.


Why do people care about how many R50s there are?
A. Not everyone will level all classes.
B. It still takes a long @#%^ing time.
C. No matter how many you have at 50, aren't they just gimped 50 classes with no gear? When endgame comes around you'll have to pick one or two classes to focus on or you'll never have a complete gear set.

I had a few 75 classes in FFXI, only one was geared. I had 5 80's in WoW, one was geared for PVE the other for PVP. It's really not that big of a deal.

Edited, Feb 4th 2011 2:47pm by Transmigration
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#28 Feb 04 2011 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly the Sp boost makes a difference since it now reflects fighting mobs that are higher than you. I just couldnt stand killing yellow mobs only to gain 86 sp. Now I get 176-214sp for yellows which to me is more acceptable.

Also makes behests and leve linking with huge groups more enjoyable. It was fun for me to take my Marauder from 300sp into 29 to 31 in about 6 hours. Especially when it used to take me 6-8 hrs of behest to gain just one lvl previously.

Now after they implement quests from npc and that sort of content it will be even better.

Kudos to the new dev team and Yoshi keep it coming.
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