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I eliminated my slow load times but I don't understand whyFollow

#1 Feb 04 2011 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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My slow load times in FFXIV drove me crazy so I looked at my network traffic using a network protocol analyzer called Wireshark. Instead of helping me find potential problems, it actually eliminated my slow load times. AFAIK it's a diagnostic tool so the result was unexpected. FFXIV is now crisp and responsive.

Up until today I have had slow load times loading FFXIV after character selection. It was normal to wait 3 minutes to actually enter the game but now it seems almost instantaneous. A friend of mine without the slow load times tried it out and reported that while it didn't help his load times, he noticed a significant increase in the crispness and responsiveness in combat.

Whatever the issue I have this program is doing something that eliminates/mitigates the problem. Does someone have any understanding of networks that can help me figure out whats going on?

It seems a bit better right now if I close Wireshark, and restart FFXIV without Wireshark, FFXIV isn't as laggy as it had been (maybe a bit slower, but not by much).

#2 Feb 05 2011 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe it's a big Troyan that eliminates all your security programs -> less processor load -> more responsive.
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#3 Feb 05 2011 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
OP I have no clue as to your issue, I'm going to try and do some tests with the program. I've used it before on my other PCs to monitor some one that was leeching my network but that was quite a while back.

For every one else, be very careful. Wireshark is a very safe and popular application, however there have been a few rogue viruses/trojans that have used the Wireshark name to trick people. AVOID Wireshark Antivirus or anty program named Wireshark except for Wireshark itself.
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#4 Feb 05 2011 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Bununyunu wrote:
My slow load times in FFXIV drove me crazy so I looked at my network traffic using a network protocol analyzer called Wireshark. Instead of helping me find potential problems, it actually eliminated my slow load times. AFAIK it's a diagnostic tool so the result was unexpected. FFXIV is now crisp and responsive.

Up until today I have had slow load times loading FFXIV after character selection. It was normal to wait 3 minutes to actually enter the game but now it seems almost instantaneous. A friend of mine without the slow load times tried it out and reported that while it didn't help his load times, he noticed a significant increase in the crispness and responsiveness in combat.

Whatever the issue I have this program is doing something that eliminates/mitigates the problem. Does someone have any understanding of networks that can help me figure out whats going on?

It seems a bit better right now if I close Wireshark, and restart FFXIV without Wireshark, FFXIV isn't as laggy as it had been (maybe a bit slower, but not by much).



Hmmm, i dont see why it should do that, i have used wireshark but not looked at it in depth, i would have to look into it more to see why it would have this effect, but if it works thats awesome
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#5 Feb 05 2011 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Correlation != Causation

WireShark is not the cause of your faster load times.
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#6 Feb 05 2011 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
Are you using any add-on tools with it? I had to reconfirm but Wireshark doesn't have anything in its vanilla form that would affect anything. It's just a parser. But there are a few tools you can download (I never have, as I said previously I only used it to snoop)
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#7 Feb 05 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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After a fresh restart, FFXIV takes more than 6 minutes to load after character selection. Moving between market wards and the fronds, load times are over 2 minutes. Interacting with retainers is a burden, the time it takes to entrust/retrieve an item takes well over 10 seconds per item.

After a fresh restart with Wireshark running FFXIV takes 35 seconds to load after character selection. Moving between market wards and the fronds with Wireshark running takes 10 seconds. The time it takes to entrust/retrieve an item is maybe one second... basically as fast as should be expected.

Edit: I am using plain vanilla wireshark with no add-ons.

Edited, Feb 5th 2011 1:52pm by Bununyunu
#8 Feb 05 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I use Ethereal/Wireshark all the time for my job, and I can tell you that it is a completely non-intrusive application. It's a packet sniffer and has no interaction with your network/QOS traffic.

You probably also installed the winpcap driver along side with Wireshark, but even still, this would not have any affect on your network traffic prioritization. Whatever changes you seem to be observing are pure coincidence.
#9 Feb 05 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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KitsurubamiSouzahara wrote:
Correlation != Causation

WireShark is not the cause of your faster load times.


It's not out of the realm of possibility that the OP has malware which turns itself off when network traffic software like Wireshark/Ethereal is running, in order to avoid detection. I haven't heard of it, and it's unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility. That said it could also be coincidental.
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#10 Feb 05 2011 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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volta1 wrote:
KitsurubamiSouzahara wrote:
Correlation != Causation

WireShark is not the cause of your faster load times.


It's not out of the realm of possibility that the OP has malware which turns itself off when network traffic software like Wireshark/Ethereal is running, in order to avoid detection. I haven't heard of it, and it's unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility. That said it could also be coincidental.



This is probably the best theory, granted that the OP isn't leaving any other details out.

Edited, Feb 5th 2011 3:23pm by McDomination
#11 Feb 05 2011 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Ever since I started FFXIV I have had these long load times, and yesterday after loading Wireshark I didn't have problems the rest of the evening.
Today I started up my computer and I had extremely long load times again (the times I mentioned in my previous post are not hyperbole). I restarted my computer and started Wireshark before loading FFXIV and I no longer had long load times.

I spent some time checking for malware but my own research doesn't yield anything. In safe mode I ran Malwarebytes' Anti Malware and ran HJT and investigated each of the entries. I didn't see any entries which would cause me to believe I needed to post my logfile on a forum, but to be sure I posted my situation at http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic377775.html with a copy of my HJT log file.

Right now I can reset my PC, load FFXIV, and not have long load times, all without loading Wireshark. I can't ignore that there was some reaction to using Wireshark.




#12 Feb 05 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Default
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programs like wireshard and earhereal hog cpu like crazy in packet intensive programs.

I suggest just asking your dad for the password to his **** sites dont try to packet snif them.
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#13 Feb 07 2011 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Back when i installed wireshark a long time ago there was a set or additional driver/program that it asked to install. It is possible that the additional programs are streamlining packet flow similar to how the "Killer" NIC cards do it. This was done at install and not some addon i installed later. Again this was over a year or so ago. Either way enjoy it while yoou can.
#14 Feb 07 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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FYI my load times dropped to 20s once I had the game and OS installed on a SSD. This leads me to believe load times are relative to the throughput of your local drive, and not network related.

My 2 cents, hope it assists.
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#15 Feb 08 2011 at 4:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Wireshark, assuming its not a fake malware version, is harmless. Its actually quite useful if you happen to need to do packet sniffing. However, it shouldn't help loading times at all. In fact, the extra overhead would hurt loading times, but the amount of time it would add should be insignificant.

To the OP: While, I suppose its possible, its very unlikely that Wireshark is cutting your load times by so much. I'd suggest testing it with it installed and then again after you uninstall it. Also, get a friend to do the same thing. Preferably more than one.
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#16 Feb 11 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Default
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The two PC's with FFXIV installed both had the issues. I already had wireshark installed but I had not used it with FFXIV until the day of my original post. Before loading FFXIV I initiated an instance of wireshark and started capturing data to see if anything suspicious was going on in my network. After initiating an instance of FFXIV with Wireshark running my extremely long load times ceased.

PC #2 load times dramatically improved after initiating an instance of FFXIV with Wireshark running and capturing data in the background.

The next day I experience extremely long load times again until I initiated a instance of wireshark in the background. I deliberately did not to capture data and initiated an instance of FFXIV. My load times improved dramatically. PC #2 did not experience problems with load times the next day.

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I originally installed FFXIV on a 60GB Vertex2 SSD however due to my extremely slow load times I felt that the 10GB FFXIV was a waste on my SSD so I reinstalled it on a HDD. Now that the load time issue seems to be resolved I am considering purchasing another SSD for FFXIV

I investigated for viruses and malware however I found no evidence.
#17 Feb 11 2011 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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You're barking up the wrong tree... This WireShark/faster load times nonsense is equivalent to saying your car is faster when you eat a cheeseburger.

WireShark is incapable of decreasing your load times. Are you on cable or DSL? Is anyone in the house using the network at the time? Do you have any other software running on your PC that would create network traffic?

I used to have horrible load times too until I QoS'd my traffic. My roommate constantly seeds torrents and it was causing issues.
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#18 Feb 11 2011 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I think this would be better answered on a WireShark forum.
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#19 Feb 13 2011 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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yfaithfully wrote:
I think this would be better answered on a WireShark forum.


I had considered that but it didn't really seem to be the type of question that is asked on their forums. I have reconsidered, you can read my post here:
http://ask.wireshark.org/questions/2313/what-is-the-common-cause-for-an-improved-network-after-loading-wireshark
#20 Feb 13 2011 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Perhaps your increased load speed is related to the following changes in the last patch:

  • The processing burden caused by the graphic display of characters has been improved.
  • An issue wherein some character graphics were being displayed after a significant delay has been addressed.


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