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#102 Feb 13 2011 at 2:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Were they trying to save money on having to purchase & maintaining a database backend for an AH?


Pretty sure that retainers are more expensive in terms of both data size and maintenance costs. I think they were trying to get people to stop leaving their characters logged in to sell items, which seems to have failed anyways.
#103 Feb 13 2011 at 2:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think it's pretty clear SE plans on launching this game on the PS3... otherwise, why bust their humps pumping out two updates/month while letting PC users play for free?

They're going all-out on the faith this game will succeed on the PS3. It will launch on the PS3, no doubt about it.

When it launches, will the JP playerbase respond? THAT, more than anything, is what will ultimately decide this game's fate. A resurgence in NA and Europe wouldn't hurt, either, but the JP playerbase is the most important anchoring demographic.



I see a lot of posts referencing their 2 updates a month, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but SE has yet to actually produce 2 quality updates in a months time. I'll wait to see it, before I start assuming its coming on a month after month basis. I'm not trying to crap on SE, they may well do it, but I'm going to actually let them release 2 updates a month for a period of time before I actually give them credit for it.

I understand you have tons of faith in the game. Thats a fine thing, I wish I still believed in it too. There is plenty of doubt the game will actually release on the PS3. There will be until they announce a release date. I understand that plenty of fans have all the faith in the world that this will become a AAA quality game at some point, but I'm a facts guy. At this point in time, the PS3 release is listed as 'indefinite', and our progress reports are month to month. I frankly don't care what anyone thinks, the game is what it is. I will judge it on what is, and not what yoshi-whatever he wants his nickname to be wants things to be.
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Perception has already improved significantly though, and I believe perception will continue to improve with each successful update.

..Really? Perception of this game, FFXIV, has improved significantly? Already?

Maybe you could argue perception of SE has improved, as far as listening to us, asking our (albiet limited) feedback. But they haven't done near enough with the game to say the perception of it has improved significantly.
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Just gonna pick a few points while i still remember.

Tanaka said the PS3 port was 100% complete, YoshiP removed the release date. I reckon the PS3 launch will coincide with a named expansion.

FFXIV is now the top selling PC game in Japan.

PS2 outsold the PS3 in Japan for years.

FFXI was a port to PC and had multiple 'launches'. JP PS2/PC, expansion, US PS2/PC, expansion, EU PS2/PC, expansion, xBox, expansion, expansion ^^

Rift will probably retain 300k subs and be quite successful. imho. but /meh.

DCUO was announced to be SOEs fastest selling game of all time? I cant remember if it was fastest,biggest or w/e but /meh. (p.s Good luck to Sony if they think they can charge a monthly sub for it, will test the waters for FFxiv)

Think some people are forgetting how big Square Enix is. Didnt they just acquire Edios? (Tomb Raider).

Final Fantasy isnt even there biggest IP atm, i think Dragon Quest is holding that spot.

They got some big games coming out like FFXIII-2, Verus and Agito. Looks like they all using the same engine, so in terms of profit, 2012 could be a very good year for SE.

Think alot of ppl bought Crysta at launch. Well i put in like 5000 or something. I very pleased that i still have that left and so will returning players when the big content is added. (i.e Ishgard ect ect)

I really like YoshiP's attitude and personality, even if a few things get lost in translation. ^^

#106 Feb 13 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Default
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FFXIV is now the top selling PC game in Japan...I really like YoshiP's attitude and personality, even if a few things get lost in translation. ^^



If FFXIV was the top-selling game over the past month, then the salient figure is total number of units sold, not whether it's number 1. What are the total number of units of FFXIV sold per month over the past 3 months in Japan?

I'm glad that you like Naoki Yoshida's attitude; I do too. But this Yoshi P "I'm the cool guy and your personal Jesus who cares about what you think" is pure branding. It's a ******* ad campaign, a false narrative like the one we saw of Obama in '08 and the one we will see when the Republican stooge is nominated in '12. I'll give Yoshida credit when he actually produces quality content.
#107 Feb 13 2011 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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They keep quiet about what they do paying little attention to what the players want and people complain. They try to act more friendly and open toward the public and people think it's a load of crap and complain (while shamelessly making political references that will surely incite arguing to boot), they try to keep us informed of the games development and make it a goal to implement two updates a month but people think they can't pull it off before they barley start and complain. Complain complain complain complain.

I'm not trying to be a whiteknight/flea/fanboi/carebear/(insert label here), but it seems like things are getting a little carried away like it's September all over again. They're darned if they do and darned if they don't and it seems sad that at this point there seems to be nothing they can do to satisfy players at this point. Even if the next update has content in it I'm sure someone will find a way to make a 5+ page thread on why it's garbage and the game is going to die. If this game really is a sinking ship that can't be salvaged no matter how fast they try to get the water out, I seriously wonder why there are certain people here watching the band play instead of getting in a life raft to go and do something else.

And no this not directed at anyone posting in a relatively negative fashion. Let's be real, the game is in bad shape although improvements are going on. But if you really think this game is done, don't drown yourself, there are plenty of games out there.
#108 Feb 13 2011 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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..Really? Perception of this game, FFXIV, has improved significantly? Already?


Yes, quite so.

You no longer see constant complaining about the UI, or outcries to bring back an AH (which is significant in itself, seeing as how the complaints were so frequent/loud/popular that I even wrote an editorial saying SE should implement an AH to satisfy the masses). Just a couple months ago, the game was viewed as an unplayable mess with no future. Now, nobody (except for a very few people) are calling it unplayable, and many are actually enjoying themselves in game. There's also a prevailing sense of anticipation over what will come in soon-to-be-implemented updates. Plus you've got Yoshi-P at the helm, using actual communication skills to rally the fanbase and keep us informed of what's coming... which is entirely new for SE.

So yes, all of this, combined with an influx of returning/new players, has definitely improved the perception of FFXIV. It's gone from being a perceived trainwreck to being viewed as a game with a chance of being good. Pretty big leap, especially considering how little time has passed.
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#109 Feb 13 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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Why all this faith in a guy that has done NOTHING? All he has done is talk and talk and talk some more, all the updates to date where well underway already when tanaka was at the helm, yoshi has done ZERO for this game as of yet, sure he has made a few stupid polls here and there, but has he delivered ? Nope :)

And i say stupid polls because the questions in them where really pretty stupid "Do you want content" DUH!
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(while shamelessly making political references that will surely incite arguing to boot)...They're darned if they do and darned if they don't and it seems sad that at this point there seems to be nothing they can do to satisfy players at this point.


First, I did not make a shameful political reference. I evenhandedly attacked the Democrats and the Republicans, pointing to a pattern of behavior exhibited by both parties. Second, I don't **** SE if they do, I **** them because they haven't done much of anything related to content in the half-year since the game was released except fire the producer and initiate an ad campaign. Please don't engage in this intellectual dishonesty by setting up straw men that are of your creation, not mine.
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its not "dead" its "dying"

but it has a second chance... the ps3 release...
#112 Feb 13 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why all this faith in a guy that has done NOTHING?


Setting a new bar for communication with players is pretty huge, considering this is SE. Had you been around here a few years ago for FFXI, then you'd understand that he's made great strides simply by keeping us updated.

Also, remember that big list of issues being implemented/studied/etc? I wouldn't call all of those items doing nothing. It's not like they published a giant list, promised two updates/month and then said to themselves, "All right, we're done! We can sit back and do nothing now!"

Nope.

I can understand why some players might be jaded, but at this point it does no good to complain when the new guy in charge is doing all the right things. Have a little faith! And if you don't like the direction of the game's improvements over the next month or two, then maybe you just need to accept that FFXIV isn't the game for you.
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#113 Feb 13 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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..Really? Perception of this game, FFXIV, has improved significantly? Already?


Yes, quite so.

You no longer see constant complaining about the UI, or outcries to bring back an AH (which is significant in itself, seeing as how the complaints were so frequent/loud/popular that I even wrote an editorial saying SE should implement an AH to satisfy the masses). Just a couple months ago, the game was viewed as an unplayable mess with no future. Now, nobody (except for a very few people) are calling it unplayable, and many are actually enjoying themselves in game. There's also a prevailing sense of anticipation over what will come in soon-to-be-implemented updates. Plus you've got Yoshi-P at the helm, using actual communication skills to rally the fanbase and keep us informed of what's coming... which is entirely new for SE.

So yes, all of this, combined with an influx of returning/new players, has definitely improved the perception of FFXIV. It's gone from being a perceived trainwreck to being viewed as a game with a chance of being good. Pretty big leap, especially considering how little time has passed.


Respectfully, given the amount of new threads and the speed at which they grow, I honestly think this is just evidence of people moving on to other things who might *occasionally* peek in at patch time.
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#114 Feb 13 2011 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
Forum traffic always peaks around updates, and always slows when there's nothing new to talk about... and let's face it, there's not much to talk about right now... otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That, and the climate of FFXIV fan forums (not just this one) hasn't really been inviting for people who enjoy the game.

I'd be worried too, if not for the increase in population I've seen on my server and heard about on other servers.
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#115 Feb 13 2011 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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@ Thayos, i have been following these forms for a long time now and i have noticed all the sudden you are here defending SE at every turn. did you just start playing FFXIV or what is the deal here? it's been almost 6 months since the game came out and it is still broken, just about the only thing that is not broken is peoples hopes that the mindless game play will lead to something better. but as im sure you realize "but would never say" is that most people are at about the end of their strings with waiting for a turn-around. so i ask you why all of the sudden do you have such a liking to SE and what they are claiming they are going to do by stating a bunch of open ended comments that could mean just about anything?
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#116 Feb 13 2011 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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HardHotThrobbingAetherite wrote:
ThePacster wrote:
(while shamelessly making political references that will surely incite arguing to boot)...They're darned if they do and darned if they don't and it seems sad that at this point there seems to be nothing they can do to satisfy players at this point.


First, I did not make a shameful political reference. I evenhandedly attacked the Democrats and the Republicans, pointing to a pattern of behavior exhibited by both parties. Second, I don't **** SE if they do, I **** them because they haven't done much of anything related to content in the half-year since the game was released except fire the producer and initiate an ad campaign. Please don't engage in this intellectual dishonesty by setting up straw men that are of your creation, not mine.


First, whether or not you evenhandedly attached both political parties, I personally feel touchy subjects such as politics and religion have no place in a forum such as this, they usually lead to trouble, so yes that comment in parentheses was for you.

However, my "darned if they do darned if they don't" comment was not directed at you, so I don't understand why you feel so compelled to question my intellect and claim I'm trying to make a straw man argument with you. It was a general statement regarding a general outlook on the game that seems to be making a return on these forums, so if you'd be so kind please take what seem to be your insults and talk of straw men elsewhere, I have no qualms with you.

And of course, someone posting on one of the polar opposites (positive about the game or negative about the game) got defaulted.

Edited, Feb 13th 2011 6:34pm by ThePacster
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Well, it doesnt appear to be dead. It just seems like it will require a LOT of work to be properly playable from what i've been reading.

The thing is, just about everyone i know is pretty much done with XI, myself included since i'll most likely pick up XIV tomorrow. They made it too easy and everything that took a bit of effort can now easily be solo'd due to level diffirence or solo-brewed for 200k cruor if it took an alliance before. More importantly, the people who are not currently done with it will have completed everything they wanted to do in there by the next three or so months.

So here's the real problem, those three hypothetical months from now, when the playerbase from XI slowly declines as people leave with nothing left to do, will FFXIV have improved enough to catch those players and not have them seep to another MMO instead?
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#118 Feb 13 2011 at 8:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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so i ask you why all of the sudden do you have such a liking to SE and what they are claiming they are going to do by stating a bunch of open ended comments that could mean just about anything?


I've always liked Square Enix, but in the past I felt they usually went about their business all wrong. The launch of FFXIV seemed to be the culmination of years of mistakes and not communicating with its customers. I'm energized though by the events of the past couple months, because finally, SE seems to really get it.

If you read every post I ever made (which I don't expect anyone to do), then you'd see I don't defend SE at all times. This game was poorly managed from the ground up, and there are tons of things that could still be improved. But do I think the game is dead? Heck no. SE is too big, the Final Fantasy brand is too powerful and this new producer seems to be too savvy to just let the game go by the wayside... not to mention the pending ps3 launch, which, with proper marketing, could be an opportunity for a complete revival of the game.

In this thread, yes, I'm "defending" FFXIV, but that's because the subject of this thread isn't whether FFXIV has problems, it's whether FFXIV is dead. Some people think it is, and others don't think so. I'm among those who don't think so.

I'm just enjoying the spirited debate! We can't really take this stuff too seriously... it is just a game... but that doesn't mean we can't have a good time going back-and-forth.

Edited, Feb 13th 2011 6:53pm by Thayos
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#119 Feb 13 2011 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I've always liked Square Enix


I like Thayos by virtue of the Cecil avatar pic alone, although he does make some interesting points and I hope his arguments prove valid. We will see.
#120 Feb 13 2011 at 9:02 PM Rating: Excellent
I imagine I won't be posting in threads as often once there's more to do in the game. Smiley: lol
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#121 Feb 14 2011 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, quite so.

You no longer see constant complaining about the UI, or outcries to bring back an AH (which is significant in itself, seeing as how the complaints were so frequent/loud/popular that I even wrote an editorial saying SE should implement an AH to satisfy the masses). Just a couple months ago, the game was viewed as an unplayable mess with no future. Now, nobody (except for a very few people) are calling it unplayable, and many are actually enjoying themselves in game. There's also a prevailing sense of anticipation over what will come in soon-to-be-implemented updates. Plus you've got Yoshi-P at the helm, using actual communication skills to rally the fanbase and keep us informed of what's coming... which is entirely new for SE.


Thayos, a lot of us just moved on. I was probably one of the most vocal against the UI and the lack of AH and a ton of other things - but the truth is that I just gave up on SE (with this game - not XI). I still stop over here every now and again to see if there have been any meaty updates, but they just aren't there and there is no reason to even bother logging in. When folks are waiting around for a better trade system, mail, player housing, linkshells that are actually somewhat functional, and the tons of other things promised and we only see that now the retainers we hated from the beginning are taking their zombie-like presence to a whole new level with autonomous movements......

It's time to just move on. They just don't get it.

You can continue to spin it as people are now happy with the game as it is - but I honestly think that you might be a little too optimistic this time around.
#122thehellfire, Posted: Feb 14 2011 at 10:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) With Rift coming out FFXIV will probably die off in Us and EU. Look at the amount online starting tomorrow at 10 am PST, I bet that whole week servers are empty as people rush to play Rift Open Beta.
#123 Feb 14 2011 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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With Rift coming out FFXIV will probably die off in Us and EU. Look at the amount online starting tomorrow at 10 am PST, I bet that whole week servers are empty as people rush to play Rift Open Beta.


If the almighty Cataclysm didn't kill off XIV like it was supposed to, I doubt the clone of it will either.

I know I know... don't feed the trolls Smiley: rolleyes
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Libtech wrote:
thehellfire wrote:
With Rift coming out FFXIV will probably die off in Us and EU. Look at the amount online starting tomorrow at 10 am PST, I bet that whole week servers are empty as people rush to play Rift Open Beta.


If the almighty Cataclysm didn't kill off XIV like it was supposed to, I doubt the clone of it will either.

I know I know... don't feed the trolls Smiley: rolleyes

Check it out for yourself before you scoff
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thehellfire wrote:
Libtech wrote:
thehellfire wrote:
With Rift coming out FFXIV will probably die off in Us and EU. Look at the amount online starting tomorrow at 10 am PST, I bet that whole week servers are empty as people rush to play Rift Open Beta.


If the almighty Cataclysm didn't kill off XIV like it was supposed to, I doubt the clone of it will either.

I know I know... don't feed the trolls Smiley: rolleyes

Check it out for yourself before you scoff


sveeral of us did....we could care less

why dont you stay in your forum instead of trying to convince people to play what we consider a crappy game

we dont care about rift, get used to that fact
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#126 Feb 14 2011 at 10:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos, a lot of us just moved on.


Yeah, that really sucks, but it still has no bearing on SE's ability to make this game shine in its PS3 release. All that matters is that server populations are rising, more updates are coming, and most of the people who've hung with the game this long will certainly continue to hang with it as it improves month to month.

I think it's actually a good thing that most people who don't like the game have moved on... makes the game/forums more pleasant for those of us who are having fun with it.

After a rough start, this game is moving forward, and I'm happy to be playing it.

I know, that's so controversial, isn't it?
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#127 Feb 14 2011 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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Thayos wrote:
After a rough start, this game is moving forward, and I'm happy to be playing it.

I know, that's so controversial, isn't it?


You're a walking contradiction and you should be a shamed of yourself!! Now go sit in the corner and eat cake until I say otherwise.
#128 Feb 14 2011 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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#129 Feb 14 2011 at 11:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos, a lot of us just moved on.


Yeah, that really sucks, but it still has no bearing on SE's ability to make this game shine in its PS3 release. All that matters is that server populations are rising ...

I really don't think the population is rising as much as you hope or think. Not yet. People have been taking advantage of the SP, but that's about it. It was a faux shot in the arm. The game today is still pretty much how it was in open beta - more playable, for sure, but still not acceptable for most.

The eye test to me fails as far as believing populations are really headed up, as does the logic test as far as how much the last patch did (added zero content while chat, inventory sort, and many other basic things we took for granted in XI all still get failing grades).

Edit - I just stayed up for a Nanawa Behest, and there were all of four people doing it with me.. I'm just not seeing it, Thayos =(

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 3:36am by Coyohma
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#130 Feb 15 2011 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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thehellfire wrote:
With Rift coming out FFXIV will probably die off in Us and EU. Look at the amount online starting tomorrow at 10 am PST, I bet that whole week servers are empty as people rush to play Rift Open Beta.


If the almighty Cataclysm didn't kill off XIV like it was supposed to, I doubt the clone of it will either.

I know I know... don't feed the trolls Smiley: rolleyes

Check it out for yourself before you scoff


Why on earth anyone who likes FF series and hasn't played WOW before would start playing Rift now?
Of course there is loads of BETA testers (I AM ONE!) because it's free download and free to play - I like trying new things -but I can already now say that I will NEVER full time play Rift because it is so similar to Wow and if the world famous and praised Wow didn't do the trick for me, why would Rift do it?

I like Final Fantasy series, so does lots of other people…

I don't know what measures the population for you, but if I am able to buy whatever I want, whenever I want it, if I can join a behest group of 20 people whenever I want, if I can find people to do leves or grind SP with me pretty much when ever I want… I think I don't need more people to the server.
If you think the game is not playable and that you should move on, then please be my guest. I am happy with the population of my server right now ^_^
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Libtech wrote:
thehellfire wrote:
With Rift coming out FFXIV will probably die off in Us and EU. Look at the amount online starting tomorrow at 10 am PST, I bet that whole week servers are empty as people rush to play Rift Open Beta.


If the almighty Cataclysm didn't kill off XIV like it was supposed to, I doubt the clone of it will either.

I know I know... don't feed the trolls Smiley: rolleyes


Oh but it did, FFXIV Launched early why ? To get a head jump on Cata, and it killed it, this game is not well and fine by any means you can measure, way less than 100K is not a healthy population, and it cant/wont or will survive on that, nor is it making a profit, if anything is costing them money, now will rift eat what is left of FFXIV off ? Doubt it, there are some die hard fans in this game, that will only play a pretty looking MMORPG just for that, just like there is people that will only play EQ1 still, will it loose some players to rift ? Probably a few, not 80% of it's current population, but some players will try it etc etc.

Also curious question, how is this game not a CLONE ?
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With Rift coming out FFXIV will probably die off in Us and EU. Look at the amount online starting tomorrow at 10 am PST, I bet that whole week servers are empty as people rush to play Rift Open Beta.


If the almighty Cataclysm didn't kill off XIV like it was supposed to, I doubt the clone of it will either.

I know I know... don't feed the trolls Smiley: rolleyes


Oh but it did, FFXIV Launched early why ? To get a head jump on Cata, and it killed it, this game is not well and fine by any means you can measure, way less than 100K is not a healthy population, and it cant/wont or will survive on that, nor is it making a profit, if anything is costing them money, now will rift eat what is left of FFXIV off ? Doubt it, there are some die hard fans in this game, that will only play a pretty looking MMORPG just for that, just like there is people that will only play EQ1 still, will it loose some players to rift ? Probably a few, not 80% of it's current population, but some players will try it etc etc.

Also curious question, how is this game not a CLONE ?


You're only supposed to acknowledge the cloneiness of a game if you don't like it. Its a great way to put something down without thinking too hard.
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Also curious question, how is this game not a CLONE ?


Looking at the future updates for FFXIV, and suggestions by Yoshi, it's going to be a straight up clone. So when the fannies say that in time this game will be great, I assume that's what they're looking forward to. Playing a WoW clone.

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 9:48am by KristoFurwalken
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I'd like to know where this information about server populations rising is coming from. If it's coming from just eyeballing, then it's really just a matter of opinion.

As far as I know, they haven't turned the /sea all numbers back on, so we don't actually have any hard data. Where is your information coming from?
#135 Feb 15 2011 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
If you see more new players at lowbie camps, more people in the towns and more veterans at higher camps, and constantly packed behests, and get pt shouts, then it's safe to assume the population is climbing. It's noticable enough, there's no need for the sea all function.

Agree with what the poster said about ff fans not really caring about RIFT. Spot on.
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Thayos wrote:
If you see more new players at lowbie camps, more people in the towns and more veterans at higher camps, and constantly packed behests, and get pt shouts, then it's safe to assume the population is climbing. It's noticable enough, there's no need for the sea all function.

Agree with what the poster said about ff fans not really caring about RIFT. Spot on.


Could possibly mean people are leveling other classes as well. Not to deny that there might be some new players, but I can't assume everyone with a level 20 archer doesn't have 2 R50's.
#137 Feb 15 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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Also curious question, how is this game not a CLONE ?


What makes you think FFXIV is a clone? Clone to what?

I don't really get your question... anyone can see that for example warhammer is a complete clone of Wow...
I guess it is the graphics that makes FFXIV not a clone in my eyes and of course the history that binds FFXIV to the FF series.
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What I don't understand is if so many people with a negative perception or no interest to play XIV hop on these forums and add such negative comments for a game they hardly play, or have no interest in playing? I have WoW but bored with it but I am no the WoW forums ruining the experience for those that enjoy. I am sure RIFT is a great game, I don't know not interested in it all, but I am not trolling their forums . . .


Over the past few months I have grown to enjoy XIV more and more. I help my LS with healing power and nukes in BR's on nm's, we do leve's together and grind together. For the most part it is fun. Considering its been 6 months since really substantial content has been added to the game. The only thing we have gotten so far is some nm's, new leve's and recipes. I am assuming and hoping that FEB/MARCH will usher in the content we the player base are craving.

As for the populations since no hard numbers are present, I will give my observations from my server. over all it does feel like pops are up rank 10-30 camps are busier during NA and JP prime time. I have noticed items in the wards are selling faster and at a higher quantity and price these days. On Figaro my server I do perceive that over the past few weeks the population has been rising or at least more people are coming back.


Thayo I do appreciate your comments and great posts in this thread. I however, do not understand the level of animosity that has been generated through this thread. I understand there are people who have left the game, but I strongly do not feel like its dead. Not one bit! I would like to add for those who are making your accusations about the state of the game not a single one of you has made a valid argument . . . everything that thos eposters have stated has been pure conjecture, specifically dealing with posts about Yoshi P. The only real factual statement made was the loss of players since initial release.

Se has stated the PS3 version is not scrapped
but will be released once they straighten out the PC version

Players experience with SE and XIV Since yoshi came to the helm has drastically improved

The 2 updates a months was announced in january stating for feb they will start 2 updates a month
on a expedited update scheduling releasing content and fixes as they are readied and deemed stable enough
to be enjoyed by the player base. Check these updates in the lodestone and hold your arguments till that happens or doesn't then you'll actually have a factual comment.

#139 Feb 15 2011 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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Also curious question, how is this game not a CLONE ?


You mean FFXIV is a clone? Of what game is it a clone exactly? Aren't some of the biggest complaints about the game the fact that SE tried so hard to differentiate systems from previous MMO's? So this clone of a game's (ffxiv) biggest problem is it didn't clone enough?

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You're only supposed to acknowledge the cloneiness of a game if you don't like it. Its a great way to put something down without thinking too hard.


Don't know what you meant with this quote. Everything I have seen (screenshots, videos) and heard about Rift is that it mimics WoW quite a bit. I didn't care for WoW or any other game that tried to mimic it, so I doubt I would like Rift. If forming my opinions by using evidence and word of mouth isn't thinking hard enough for you, I don't know what to tell you.

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Looking at the future updates for FFXIV, and suggestions by Yoshi, it's going to be a straight up clone. So when the fannies say that in time this game will be great, I assume that's what they're looking forward to. Playing a WoW clone.


Looking back at the future update notes, I couldn't find very many examples of what you are talking about. The only thing I could see would be the possible inclusion of a jump feature.


I usually don't respond to people who seem to log onto the forums just to complain and whine to the people who are actively playing the game. I thought I'd give it a shot this time. And I know, you all really really wanted to like the game, but since it didn't meet your expectations instead of finding something you do like, the only way to heal from the pain is badmouthing it on forums dedicated to said game.
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#140 Feb 15 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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Also curious question, how is this game not a CLONE ?


You mean FFXIV is a clone? Of what game is it a clone exactly? Aren't some of the biggest complaints about the game the fact that SE tried so hard to differentiate systems from previous MMO's? So this clone of a game's (ffxiv) biggest problem is it didn't clone enough?

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You're only supposed to acknowledge the cloneiness of a game if you don't like it. Its a great way to put something down without thinking too hard.


Don't know what you meant with this quote. Everything I have seen (screenshots, videos) and heard about Rift is that it mimics WoW quite a bit. I didn't care for WoW or any other game that tried to mimic it, so I doubt I would like Rift. If forming my opinions by using evidence and word of mouth isn't thinking hard enough for you, I don't know what to tell you.

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Looking at the future updates for FFXIV, and suggestions by Yoshi, it's going to be a straight up clone. So when the fannies say that in time this game will be great, I assume that's what they're looking forward to. Playing a WoW clone.


Looking back at the future update notes, I couldn't find very many examples of what you are talking about. The only thing I could see would be the possible inclusion of a jump feature.


I usually don't respond to people who seem to log onto the forums just to complain and whine to the people who are actively playing the game. I thought I'd give it a shot this time. And I know, you all really really wanted to like the game, but since it didn't meet your expectations instead of finding something you do like, the only way to heal from the pain is badmouthing it on forums dedicated to said game.



Libtech didn't you know those are the same people who also log in everyday and he linkshell they started fell apart and no one wants to play with them? so they come here and make our forum experience bad because they feel bad :P

We have to entertain them, or what else will?

Sometimes I wonder just how time some people have if they come here to troll a game they don't even play XD
#141 Feb 15 2011 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you see more new players at lowbie camps, more people in the towns and more veterans at higher camps, and constantly packed behests, and get pt shouts, then it's safe to assume the population is climbing. It's noticable enough, there's no need for the sea all function.


So you are saying that it is coming from just eyeballing.

I always like your editorials Thayos, but in this instance I think you might be seeing what you want to see just a tad. I also kind of feel slighted at your comment of "good riddance" - that's the kind of attitude that will cause this game to fail. If you really think that it's no big loss that well over 50% of the original population jumped ship, then I applaud your diligence but lament your shortsightedness.

This game has a long way to go before it will enjoy the success of even XI much less challenge the behemoths currently wearing the crown, and you can't count on the Ps3 to save the day. It's going to be a very watered down and diminished version of the game after the bulk of the development being designed for PC - don't pin your hopes on a Ps3 Hail Mary.




#142 Feb 15 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
Where did I say "good riddance"?

And yes, losing so many of the game's original players was a big loss -- i'd rather have servers be more full than less full. But that's far from being a death blow. And I don't mind the results of eyeball testing either, considering all indications point to a rising population. This game lost players, but it is also gaing some players... and I have no doubt some who left earlier will return at the ps3 launch or sooner.

I think we all wish this game's launch would have been better, but to say this game needs a "hail mary" to survive is a stretch. All it needs are continued updates and some good marketing by SE, and the new devs appear up to those tasks.
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#143 Feb 15 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:

I think it's actually a good thing that most people who don't like the game have moved on... makes the game/forums more pleasant for those of us who are having fun with it.


Here - and it's not a stretch to say that the game needs a Hail Mary. You aren't seeing the big picture, if you think it still only needs a tweak or two to pull in the numbers that even its predecessor maintains...

However, I'm not going to try to change yours or anyone's mind on this. The numbers will speak for themselves, as they already have. The ratings on Amazon haven't moved, and the game is still the laughing stock of the MMO industry.

It needs a Hail Mary.

And I hope you are right that they have one more left in them. I stopped believing about three months ago.
#144 Feb 16 2011 at 4:55 AM Rating: Good
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What I don't understand is if so many people with a negative perception or no interest to play XIV hop on these forums and add such negative comments for a game they hardly play, or have no interest in playing?


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#145 Feb 16 2011 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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This line is Key really. The PS3 is no where near as relevant as the PS2 was. Let's just assume that a PS3 release doubles the amount of people playing FFXIV, we are still < 100k. Which is still about as dismal as it comes. To put it into perspective, APB had roughly 3 times the amount of registered players as FFXIV when it was canceled.

Which brings up another point, and I'm sure it will be extremely unpopular. In all honesty, it would benefit the game a lot more, if SE would just pull it offline, take it back to the lab and remake it. Since going offline, APB has been purchased by another company, and is currently being given an overhaul, to be released again later. Now, the community and insiders are actually fairly excited to see what is going to happen with the game. It was pretty widely considered a very good game, that ran into problems with hackers and botters that ruined it.


To be fair, the death of APB had nothing to do with the size of the playerbase, the critical reception (which was roughly "meh", or more precisely "a good idea but flawed"), or the presence of cheating.

The developer, Realtime Worlds, was in dire financial straits even before the game was released. Their debt was so large - nearly $80 million - that even selling several million copies (i.e. phenomenal sales for any game, much less an MMO) wouldn't have saved them, and they had no other viable revenue sources at the time. In the end, they went bankrupt before they could see a dime of subscription money, and weren't able to sell the game off to a more stable owner before they had to shut down the servers.

The price the new owner paid for the game wound up being only a tiny portion of the debt incurred by it's development - only about $2.4 million.
#146 Feb 16 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think the game is dead at all, does it need some work? yes. but its not dead, i remember when i first started playing ffxi the day it was released for pc and omg did that game need help, but look at it now it has so much wonderful content and by far one of the best mmorpg's i have ever played. I feel that is how FFXIV will be, and the great thing is SE is waiting to release it for the ps3 until its fixed. that will get a lot more people interested and then everyone will see what an awesome game this is.
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LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
I know lots of people surf around forums before they make a decision on what game to buy...

There are always posts saying "FFXI is dead" etc. and in my opinnion it gives slightly wrong image of the game and as you know... these negative posts are the ones that people always go read... because lets face it, everyone loves a bit of drama!

The reason I posted this poll was so these people could see that the majority of people hardly think that the game is dead and it is worth the £8 that it costs for example in Amazon at the moment.



I am currently taking time away from XIV while updates fix the problem, plus I have given up playing on the PC so I might go to PS3. (till I fully upgrage my PC or something).
XIV is not dead, the fact people are still playing it and perhaps still whinging about it says it all.
It is the exact same thing when people say XI is dead, correction WhiteGate is dead ;)

If they were dead, the servers would of been shut down. XI + XIV might not be bringing in the profits but as long as all the costs are covered and a bit of profit for margins I am sure both will continue. I remember when they said:
Announcing XIV will kill XI
Releasing XIV will kill XI
Level limit change will kill XI
Last thing was Abyss "has" killed XI

Yet no, no, no and nope. XI is still well and truefull alive, people left but then people have come back, people have breaks again they come back. XI/XIV will last longer then those few people who say it is dead etc etc.
SE released an update for XI which have fixed a lot of the few things that Abyss had caused (Fov, Exp outside of Abyss) and they have announced that they plan on upgrading older armors.

So the lesson really is, Nothing is dead untill it has officially kicked the bucket.
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#148 Feb 17 2011 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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Oh my...where to even begin.

Someone on page one mentioned something about trolls who have no post numbers, guess I'll be getting that label after I post but, oh well.

I voted 'It's pretty dead and only miracle will save it:'

Why? Well, I have seen, at least on Trabia world, the population is becoming more and more of a 0 pop than increasing in numbers. Trabia has never been a 'huge' pop in the first place but, it was busy enough for you to group up with some folks or just grind by yourself if you wanted without fighting off the rest of the solo artists. But in the last few months, it's continued to slow or die and it's sad. I had high hopes for 14 but at the same time, knew the release date was WAY to early. I have played since the OB and bought my CE like most folks and have stuck by it day after day after month. Now, I'm almost ready to just throw in the towel.

I'm old enough to realize that, in this industry, the mistakes a company makes with design or conternt or lack of either, or both can destroy a product and if you really want to be mature, you have to wait. I have been patiently waiting. It's not the length of time that is making me want to 'quit'. It's not WoW 2.0, as someone said lol but, the fact that SE is continuing to add, imho CRAP the game really doesn't need. Example, the new 1.15b patch or the next one, apparently enough people felt that, it was most important to ***** to SE their epeens aren't stroked enough with the sounds or music or graphics when you accomplish something that, SE will be adding, and I quote; "More 'fanfare'." Are you F*&KING kidding me?!

I want to know where the GD priorities are? I have defended/stood by this game to those who were angry that, after the dev change the first patch didn't give us more content. I explained that, SE can't give us quality content if they rush it. I would rather standby and wait patiently for great, awesome or epic content then for them to just throw some type of crap out there. But NOW, now they want to include more 'fanfare'?! Is that like Joanna in Office Space not having enough 'flair'?! O.o WTF!?

I agree that SE has worked thier a$$es off to add things we have requested. I agree that SE is even LISTENING to it's player basebase but FFS, this isn't what this game needs.



Edited, Feb 17th 2011 5:54pm by GeesusShi
#149 Feb 17 2011 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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GeesusShi wrote:
I want to know where the GD priorities are? I have defended/stood by this game to those who were angry that, after the dev change the first patch didn't give us more content. I explained that, SE can't give us quality content if they rush it. I would rather standby and wait patiently for great, awesome or epic content then for them to just throw some type of crap out there. But NOW, now they want to include more 'fanfare'?! Is that like Joanna in Office Space not having enough 'flair'?! O.o WTF!?

I agree that SE has worked thier a$$es off to add things we have requested. I agree that SE is even LISTENING to it's player basebase but FFS, this isn't what this game needs.


In fairness, what a lot of people need to understand is that a development team is divided up into different work groups. They're not this massive collective that all focus on one thing and then on to the next etc. So while you may have the people directly related to the combat system or the quests system slaving day in and day out to produce the meat and potatoes of what people are asking for, you've got all kinds of other people in different groups with nothing but time on their hands. They aren't involved in every aspect of the game, so you assign them tasks related to their specialty. That's why it sometimes looks like they're doing all the wrong things first. It's just that the group that was assigned to the "task nobody gives a **** about" was done so they pushed it live.
#150 Feb 17 2011 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone would like to change what they voted after reading the 1.15b patch notes?

In a few days, the game will be 5 months old.

1.15b..... aka THE CONTENT patch... really ? REALLY?

#151 Feb 17 2011 at 11:38 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm as bummed as anyone about quests not being implemented yet, but I don't think the population is going to disappear over having to wait an additional two week for quests.

With the sudden emphasis on partying though, it's even more clear to me now that this will feel like a very different game by the time the PS3 version launches. This update was definitely lackluster in terms of being "fun," but I have a feeling the 8-member bonus camp will profoundly impact how this game is played.
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