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#1 Feb 08 2011 at 9:15 PM Rating: Default
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Im not sure about every server, but on mine, craft bots on everywhere. Almost all LSs, including mine, of all different nations seem to have them. Whats everyones thought on the matter? Is Se going to do anything about it?
I dont understand how its almost like people have come to accept that this is ok? I dont even think ive seen a post about it here.

On side note , i have noticed the new RP gain system for crafting has been made to ***** the botters out of RP, but it also has screwed some legit players out of good RP gains from locals which ive done since start of game. I just sure hope they have way of tracking it and implement justice on these people somehow.
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Awsome so there are crafting bots? Wasnt the point of our overly complicated crafting system to stop people from botting?
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#3 Feb 08 2011 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
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I haven't heard about anything like that from my own LS.
I saw a /say a few weeks ago at Horizon about a craft bot, but I thought they were just joking around.

If there really is a crafting bot, I'm curious to see how SE will deal with people who use one.

Edit: @UncleRuckusForLife: So letting people gain SP while a r50 does all the work is fine, but botting isn't?
Have you changed your mind about the PL "issue"? Just curious.

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#4 Feb 08 2011 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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If there really is a crafting bot, I'm curious to see how SE will deal with people who use one.

No need to say if - many of the serious crafters I know have and continue to use one. It annoys me as someone who actually sits there and hits enter every time, but SE has shown (over a decade now) that they don't care to put in the effort to target botters.
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Awsome so there are crafting bots? Wasnt the point of our overly complicated crafting system to stop people from botting?


The overly complicated crafting system is just trying to make an immersive gameplay. It fails or not is another topic, but it isn't meant to deal with botting. As surprisingly as you may think, there are actually games that don't have combat and only crafting

http://www.atitd.com/
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I have a botter in my shell, and i love how he covers it up
claiming his 6 year old kid is crafting for him and thats why he doesnt respond....yeah, id LOVE to see a 6 year old who can sit and craft for 16+ hours a day
but we are leaving it to the GMs and task force to enforce it, have had about a dozen people report him already, but those dont actualy get enforced right away if they are indeed offending
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#7 Feb 08 2011 at 10:27 PM Rating: Good
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The lack of a search function helps botters, too, as if you suspect they're afk botting you can't tell which zone they're in to look for them. Really lets them hide well.
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There are also MINING bots, believe it or not. Saw a LS mate mining miqo'te so I do what I always do to miqo'tes which is chase tails :D!. Long story short followed her for 5 minutes from 2 different mining nodes right behind and in front of her when she's mining and talking to her but get no response. Tried PMing nothing, so I ran off and hours later she hops on and says Hello. Asked why I got no response and only thing they said was their cousin was playing.

Amazing how they were perfectly capable of mining but stopping for a second or two to reply or even to look at how I'm poking her for 5 minutes does nothing. Note, I got my ranks though boring and long grinds, no 3rd party programs were used and only seasons of Supernatural,Family Guy, HIMYM, and a couple dozens of movies got me those ranks for crafting.
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#9 Feb 08 2011 at 11:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Out of curiosity, how can you tell that someone is using a crafting bot and not just afk'd and watching a movie while hitting enter?
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SylOdinsdottir wrote:
Out of curiosity, how can you tell that someone is using a crafting bot and not just afk'd and watching a movie while hitting enter?


If a GM shows up and tries to talk to you, and you dont notice it cuz your too busy watching a movie, think they are gonna care if your a bot or hitting enter?

no one is that oblivious to whats going on on the screen
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Khornette wrote:
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Awsome so there are crafting bots? Wasnt the point of our overly complicated crafting system to stop people from botting?


The overly complicated crafting system is just trying to make an immersive gameplay. It fails or not is another topic, but it isn't meant to deal with botting. As surprisingly as you may think, there are actually games that don't have combat and only crafting

http://www.atitd.com/


Well that game is a few dozen magabytes large and has graphics worse than a Second-Life template... so it certainly makes an effective example for what a crafting-focused MMO can be, I'm just unsure whether it makes the point you want it to make.
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SylOdinsdottir wrote:
Out of curiosity, how can you tell that someone is using a crafting bot and not just afk'd and watching a movie while hitting enter?


Pressing enter incessantly isn't going to ready a new craft for you and start it.

I would think that the person would glance over in time to see the GM trying to communicate with them, but then again, are there any GMs?
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I would think that the person would glance over in time to see the GM trying to communicate with them, but then again, are there any GMs?


There are certainly GMs, but I think they're mostly automated and, well, you know how ineffective bots are...
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#14 Feb 08 2011 at 11:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have a botter in my shell, and i love how he covers it up
claiming his 6 year old kid is crafting for him and thats why he doesnt respond....yeah, id LOVE to see a 6 year old who can sit and craft for 16+ hours a day
but we are leaving it to the GMs and task force to enforce it, have had about a dozen people report him already, but those dont actualy get enforced right away if they are indeed offending


That seems to be the most popular defense for botters. A few days ago, a craft bot malfunctioned in Uldah and it kept entering and exiting Synthesis Mode for 2hrs+. When the botter returned he said, "my daughter was playn around." I can't say what kind of a person his daughter is, but she must be a machine to be able to enter Synthesis mode EVERY 5secs and exit EVERY 20secs ACCURATELY NON-STOP for 2hrs+. Of course, that person is R50 in several jobs (according to ffxivpro). And yes, I was bored and annoyed enough to time him with a stopwatch.

Bots of all types are common on this game now. I reported the same 2 DoW bots a few times a week since last December but they are still going strong today.
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kikunya wrote:
Vedis wrote:
I have a botter in my shell, and i love how he covers it up
claiming his 6 year old kid is crafting for him and thats why he doesnt respond....yeah, id LOVE to see a 6 year old who can sit and craft for 16+ hours a day
but we are leaving it to the GMs and task force to enforce it, have had about a dozen people report him already, but those dont actualy get enforced right away if they are indeed offending


That seems to be the most popular defense for botters. A few days ago, a craft bot malfunctioned in Uldah and it kept entering and exiting Synthesis Mode for 2hrs+. When the botter returned he said, "my daughter was playn around." I can't say what kind of a person his daughter is, but she must be a machine to be able to enter Synthesis mode EVERY 5secs and exit EVERY 20secs ACCURATELY NON-STOP for 2hrs+. Of course, that person is R50 in several jobs (according to ffxivpro). And yes, I was bored and annoyed enough to time him with a stopwatch.

Bots of all types are common on this game now. I reported the same 2 DoW bots a few times a week since last December but they are still going strong today.


im not defending them at all, i personaly want the guy doing it gone, but its not on me to judge them, i did my part by reporting them to the task force
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#16 Feb 08 2011 at 11:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Vedis wrote:
If a GM shows up and tries to talk to you, and you dont notice it cuz your too busy watching a movie, think they are gonna care if your a bot or hitting enter?

no one is that oblivious to whats going on on the screen


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Pressing enter incessantly isn't going to ready a new craft for you and start it.

I would think that the person would glance over in time to see the GM trying to communicate with them, but then again, are there any GMs?


Right, thanks for the clear up. I've always seen people around like this and just operated under the assumption that they're afk'd and watching a movie or on the phone or whatnot and just spamming the "enter" key. Call me blindly optimistic.
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SylOdinsdottir wrote:
Vedis wrote:
If a GM shows up and tries to talk to you, and you dont notice it cuz your too busy watching a movie, think they are gonna care if your a bot or hitting enter?

no one is that oblivious to whats going on on the screen


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Pressing enter incessantly isn't going to ready a new craft for you and start it.

I would think that the person would glance over in time to see the GM trying to communicate with them, but then again, are there any GMs?


Right, thanks for the clear up. I've always seen people around like this and just operated under the assumption that they're afk'd and watching a movie or on the phone or whatnot and just spamming the "enter" key. Call me blindly optimistic.


im someone who gets really into my movies while spam enter crafting....and guess what, i can see text perfectly still.....
and a GM will send you a tell, so it should definately stand out

says and linkshell chat on the other hand(especialy for those of us in very very active shells) wont always stand out so are easy to miss, but a tell, yeah i doubt your getting tons of those all the time while crafting and not paying full attention so they still should stand out
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Awsome so there are crafting bots? Wasnt the point of our overly complicated crafting system to stop people from botting?


The overly complicated crafting system is just trying to make an immersive gameplay. It fails or not is another topic, but it isn't meant to deal with botting. As surprisingly as you may think, there are actually games that don't have combat and only crafting

http://www.atitd.com/


Well that game is a few dozen magabytes large and has graphics worse than a Second-Life template... so it certainly makes an effective example for what a crafting-focused MMO can be, I'm just unsure whether it makes the point you want it to make.


And Xsyon Earth 2012 Prelude which has a much more complex crafting system than FFXIV has gotten 3rd place on MMORPG.com hype meter, over TERA and SW:TOR. Your point is?
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Err... please pardon me. How do you know for sure that person is really a botter? It is very hard (well, at least for me) to craft and chat. Is it just only because they dont respond to you chat and that is how you determine?
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Bots can be very complex in programming.

In FFXI there were many times we would find Bard bots who were programmed cast songs, etc on a timer and would even imitate players when certain phrases were said in party chat.

No joke, there was a script in some bot programs to read combinations of "{party} {goodbye!} {disbanding party}" and the bot would say farewell and use a scroll of warp.



Needless to say, they were easy to spot, but complexly programmed.
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I will say that I have run into situations where I have completely missed comments directed at me from my ls-mates because I was engrossed in a show I was watching on Netflix. In fact, I even missed someone from my shell /poke me repeatedly because of it. I can understand how anything in say or ls could get easily missed, especially if you don't have your chat windows separated. Please remember, for some people, it's less than 10 lines of dialogue to completely wipe something from the log. That is FAR less than 1 craft, and I know that there are a lot of people out there who will go an entire craft without looking at the log.

I'm not saying they AREN'T botters, as I think its pretty apparent that a lot of them exist (just look at the number of r50 crafters that existed pre-update), I'm just saying that it is really tough for anyone to know for sure if they are botters or not. I know I'd be a little bit upset if I was banned simply because I didn't notice a GM /tell in the midst of a craft (granted, I have separate chat windows so it wouldn't happen to me, but you get the point). I'd really like it if GM's actually waited for someone to finish their current craft before sending a message, because then it would be abundantly clear if someone was just semi-afk, or actually a bot. That's my 2 cents.
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You all seem to be forgetting that if you don't have your chat filtered

(which I don't)

easily hundreds of lines of text could pass by while I watch Netflix - as long as they aren't lingering on the screen for that 5 seconds I'm reloading my ingredients.

I miss text all the time.
Though I do click over to other tabs every so often.
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SylOdinsdottir wrote:
Vedis wrote:
If a GM shows up and tries to talk to you, and you dont notice it cuz your too busy watching a movie, think they are gonna care if your a bot or hitting enter?

no one is that oblivious to whats going on on the screen


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Pressing enter incessantly isn't going to ready a new craft for you and start it.

I would think that the person would glance over in time to see the GM trying to communicate with them, but then again, are there any GMs?


Right, thanks for the clear up. I've always seen people around like this and just operated under the assumption that they're afk'd and watching a movie or on the phone or whatnot and just spamming the "enter" key. Call me blindly optimistic.


I do that too, sit around watching tv spamming standard synthesis and YES its very easy to miss an incoming chat. The chat log is flooded with synth results, and I dont use my chat box to full length. I can't see my last synth results without scrolling up so missing a chat is easy

EDIT: no I don't bot (or agree with botting) just check my levels. A botter wuld be much higher by now.

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Vedis wrote:
SylOdinsdottir wrote:
Out of curiosity, how can you tell that someone is using a crafting bot and not just afk'd and watching a movie while hitting enter?


If a GM shows up and tries to talk to you, and you dont notice it cuz your too busy watching a movie, think they are gonna care if your a bot or hitting enter?

no one is that oblivious to whats going on on the screen

Just to throw this out there, sometimes I craft while doing something else, and I'll use windowblinds to roll the FFXIV window up into the titlebar, making it completely out of sight. Then I use a gamepad, set to work in the background, and synth by audio cues.

Even when I unroll the window to check on something, whatever tells or chat I would have gotten would be buried in the log full of synth action results. So honestly, when I'm doing that, I probably would be oblivious to a GM unless he was standing right in front of me... But then sometimes I have the camera facing backwards. xD

Anyway, there's plenty of other ways to tell if someones botting, like other people have already mentioned... But yeah, I check my chat log for /tells or chat msgs every so often, but if I don't get back to you for a half hour or so, and was crafting the whole time, doesn't automatically mean I'm botting... But GM's I'm pretty sure don't actually ban people, I think the way it works is they pass it off to the special task force, and then they investigate, and I think they can tell if you're botting or not.

I'm just a heavy multi-tasker with synthing, since tbh, it's rather tedious due to the sheer number of synths it took to level... The new sp tweak seems to make it easier though, so I might get back into crafting.

And I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that the mini games for DoH and DoL were indeed to thwart botting... I didn't know miner and botany bots were around, but the fishing mini game is worthless as I know of a fishing bot on my server, and crafting bots you hear of all the time.

On the upside, there was that warning on the lodestone about using 3rd party tools... Knowing SE, they are probably biding their time, making a big long list, and in a few months we'll probably see a sweeping ban wave. It'd be nicer if they stayed on top of things a bit more than they do, but hey, better late than never.

And another plus is that at least you don't have to directly compete against bots like in FFXI, besides possible undercutting... God I remember trying to mine for fish in gusgen and oldton goblinlandopolis way back, and literally every single mining node had a bot on it, just sitting there spamming the mine macro... So yeah, at least the gathering nodes aren't a first come first serve thing anymore. Still hope they take a more active stance against botting though.
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First I would like to say sorry for not reading the whole post/answers but once I read a few I just couldnt understand something.

People always complain about the use of third party software and how wrong it is to use it but still, quite a few people on this thread have admited to being part of a LS which accepts the use of these softwares. If you are against their use then you should either have that character leave the LS or leave it yourself. The more people allow this to happen the more people will be doing it.
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#26wrongfeifong, Posted: Feb 09 2011 at 5:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) In my personal opinion is that botting shouldn't be illegal.
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If you don't want to Gather and/or Craft, don't.

I enjoy doing both, so I'm actually present at my PC, playing the game the way I want to.

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...botting shouldn't be illegal...
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...cheating is for smart players and risk taker...


So. You didn't eat your smart veggies this morning, right?
Where is the risk if it's not illegal?
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There are also MINING bots, believe it or not. Saw a LS mate mining miqo'te so I do what I always do to miqo'tes which is chase tails :D!. Long story short followed her for 5 minutes from 2 different mining nodes right behind and in front of her when she's mining and talking to her but get no response. Tried PMing nothing, so I ran off and hours later she hops on and says Hello. Asked why I got no response and only thing they said was their cousin was playing.

Amazing how they were perfectly capable of mining but stopping for a second or two to reply or even to look at how I'm poking her for 5 minutes does nothing. Note, I got my ranks though boring and long grinds, no 3rd party programs were used and only seasons of Supernatural,Family Guy, HIMYM, and a couple dozens of movies got me those ranks for crafting.


She's a witch, burn her! Really though, get a life. You almost have 3 jobs @ 50, it's obvious that you play a ridiculous amount of FFXIV. Do you really have such an abundance of free time and nothing better to do than police Eorzea?

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone botting, and I personally never have and never will bot (especially with guys like the poster above policing the streets of Eorzea). That being said, I'm not a rat snitch either. Please explain to me your motivation behind going out of your way to hunt down and expose botters.

I just don't understand how another person using a bot program hurts or harms you personally. If someone is cheating and stealing IRL, and actually doing some tangible harm to society, then I'm all for punishing them accordingly. But this is just a video game, who really cares...what's the harm in a dippy bird that hits "1" or "Enter" a million times.

Somebody tried to pull this sh*t on me the other day when I was CRP grinding. I was working from home a few days ago and I had two (2) laptops up (1 for work and 1 for FFXIV). I was on a conference call and scrolling around an Excel sheet on my work laptop, but every 10-15 seconds I would reach over and hit "enter" to spam standard or to set up my new synth on my other laptop.

Minding my own business, some random a$$hole like the above quoted poster comes up and starts poking me and sending me random tells like "you've been crafting a lot today!" and in say "hey, are you there?". I didn't have the time, and quite frankly didn't care enough to type out a response to this random idiot, so I continued to do my work stuff while "standard synth" spamming every 10-15 seconds. When I wrapped up the call, I checked my toons gear to see if I needed repairs (which of course I did). As soon as my toon stood up from his kneeling position, this same clown comes at me with "why didn't you respond to me before? I know you are botting."

While I truly appreciate these baseless and unfounded accusations, where does it say in the ToS or EULA that I have to respond to some random d*ck that has nothing better to do then harass me while mindlessly grinding on crafts? Considering the current state of affairs with SE and FFXIV, I'm glad the game has people playing it, even if those people are gil farmers and bots ><
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There are also MINING bots, believe it or not. Saw a LS mate mining miqo'te so I do what I always do to miqo'tes which is chase tails :D!. Long story short followed her for 5 minutes from 2 different mining nodes right behind and in front of her when she's mining and talking to her but get no response. Tried PMing nothing, so I ran off and hours later she hops on and says Hello. Asked why I got no response and only thing they said was their cousin was playing.

Amazing how they were perfectly capable of mining but stopping for a second or two to reply or even to look at how I'm poking her for 5 minutes does nothing. Note, I got my ranks though boring and long grinds, no 3rd party programs were used and only seasons of Supernatural,Family Guy, HIMYM, and a couple dozens of movies got me those ranks for crafting.


She's a witch, burn her! Really though, get a life. You almost have 3 jobs @ 50, it's obvious that you play a ridiculous amount of FFXIV. Do you really have such an abundance of free time and nothing better to do than police Eorzea?

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone botting, and I personally never have and never will bot (especially with guys like the poster above policing the streets of Eorzea). That being said, I'm not a rat snitch either. Please explain to me your motivation behind going out of your way to hunt down and expose botters.

I just don't understand how another person using a bot program hurts or harms you personally. If someone is cheating and stealing IRL, and actually doing some tangible harm to society, then I'm all for punishing them accordingly. But this is just a video game, who really cares...what's the harm in a dippy bird that hits "1" or "Enter" a million times.

Somebody tried to pull this sh*t on me the other day when I was CRP grinding. I was working from home a few days ago and I had two (2) laptops up (1 for work and 1 for FFXIV). I was on a conference call and scrolling around an Excel sheet on my work laptop, but every 10-15 seconds I would reach over and hit "enter" to spam standard or to set up my new synth on my other laptop.

Minding my own business, some random a$$hole like the above quoted poster comes up and starts poking me and sending me random tells like "you've been crafting a lot today!" and in say "hey, are you there?". I didn't have the time, and quite frankly didn't care enough to type out a response to this random idiot, so I continued to do my work stuff while "standard synth" spamming every 10-15 seconds. When I wrapped up the call, I checked my toons gear to see if I needed repairs (which of course I did). As soon as my toon stood up from his kneeling position, this same clown comes at me with "why didn't you respond to me before? I know you are botting."

While I truly appreciate these baseless and unfounded accusations, where does it say in the ToS or EULA that I have to respond to some random d*ck that has nothing better to do then harass me while mindlessly grinding on crafts? Considering the current state of affairs with SE and FFXIV, I'm glad the game has people playing it, even if those people are gil farmers and bots ><


So someone sent you a tell because they assumed something from your activity and actions. And you obviously let yourself get butthurt over it. Someone just sent you a tell about something they assumed about you. How does that hurt you personally? It bothers you for some reason right? Same goes for botting for (I assume) the majority of players enjoying the game. It bothers us.
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SAme as the person above with the following adition.

If someone else bots it bothers me tbecause that is an unfair advantago to that person in comparison to the whole comunity. If you want to reap the rewards of playng a game you should actually consider playing the game.
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#32 Feb 09 2011 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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So someone sent you a tell because they assumed something from your activity and actions. And you obviously let yourself get butthurt over it. Someone just sent you a tell about something they assumed about you. How does that hurt you personally? It bothers you for some reason right? Same goes for botting for (I assume) the majority of players enjoying the game. It bothers us.


I back thejones on this.
I often ignore tells from people that I don't know when I am on a crafting spree... ****, I often ignore people I even know when they wave at me simply because I have few times started to type a comment back when my craft is about to finish and my /tell gets completely cancelled, my craft timer goes to 0 because I am trying to do an emote while crafting or the person already runs away from my "say" range before I get to even say anything... So many times I just let it go.

Yes, bots are bad for the economy (lol) of the game but let's not assume that everyone who is crafting for 2 hours in a row without replying to your pokes is a bot.

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I disagree.

As simple as it is just to type "/s Hi" if someone doesnt do it then it's worth to take a look at it. I don't go out of my way looking for bots but if I happen to come across a sutuation like that I will think about it and pay extra atention to that person in case it happens again.
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#34 Feb 09 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
So you say that everyone who doesn't reply to a tell when they are crafting/fishing/mining etc. should be under investigation of being a bot?
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LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
So you say that everyone who doesn't reply to a tell when they are crafting/fishing/mining etc. should be under investigation of being a bot?


no, there is a difference from someone who doesnd respond sometimes, to someone who is just obvious

like the person in my shell, who is crafting 24 hours a day(not joking) and uses the excuse "sorry my 6 year old was playing my character all day" to justify non responsiveness. First off, 6 year old? crafting? all day? anyone elsee see something wrong with this.
If he isnt a bot he needs to be reported to child services lol, but no 6 year old has the patience to sit and do that ALL DAY.
he is obviously a bot.
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#36 Feb 09 2011 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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I can't comprehend how people can't tell the difference from what is a bot and what isn't. They stand out like a flaming Jew in a Hawaiian Luau. ****, I'm usually the last one to make it to the taco party and I was still able to spot them in the early days in XI.

If it doesn't feel right, it isn't.

If it feels good, go for it! XD
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#37 Feb 09 2011 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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I see a LOT of bots on my server, one LS in particular (although I won't name names) has 2-3 crafters sitting stationary while crafting alllll the time in Limsa Lominsa, 24/7, every day for the past month or so.

Some of the EXP areas are full of grind bots too, they seem to be really good at glitching the game, check out the youtube videos. Without range weapons, they are able to melee from a distance somehow. They pull by punching, and fight in place using their TP moves, while facing the wrong way, to a mob across the area. And they pull the mob the second it spawns, and when there are no mobs they spin in circles, take a few steps, spin some more. -They are also always fighting mobs way too low level from them that that have no chance of any agro. Like certain Coblyn camps, or Opo-Opo camps near grid. If the mobs are 15 they will be 24 for example-

The problem is the GMs don't care right now, they have more important things to worry about, and well, for the most part they are right. You can't call a GM in-game on a bot, you must report to the special task force, which may not even be hired yet ;)

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 11:22am by Eadieni
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#38 Feb 09 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
To be honest...
If someone crafts more then 3 hours in a row they are a real life human hybrid because that s#it is so boring on the long run lol
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#39 Feb 09 2011 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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If you don't want to Gather and/or Craft, don't.

I enjoy doing both, so I'm actually present at my PC, playing the game the way I want to.

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 4:59am by Kirby


Yeah well, some of us WANT to get levels in crafting, but don't like staring a screen for hours upon hours hitting standard, so instead we watch Netflix or movies. I'm actually present at my PC too, so your point is moot. Also, I DO like crafting when I'm doing something that's a challenge and getting huge amounts of SP, because that's fun for me. But when I'm just grinding, no that is not fun, so I supplement with something that IS fun, watching Netflix.
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#40 Feb 09 2011 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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Yes, bots are bad for the economy (lol) of the game but let's not assume that everyone who is crafting for 2 hours in a row without replying to your pokes is a bot.

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 10:58am by LeilaniWildfire

Just wanted to point out the thread seems concerned with people who are botting 700 hours in a row, not 2 hours. Some people have not moved out of a spot in nearly a month, and have hit 50 on numerous crafts in the same spot.
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#41 Feb 09 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, blame SE for making such a boring crafting system. If players are resorting to this sort of thing to level up there's a reason for it. People play games to have fun, and crafting is not fun.
#42 Feb 09 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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If people are going to bot, nothing I can say or do will prevent it. If achieving some virtual accomplishment is that important to them (gil, ranks) then they will continue to bot. If they get caught and banned then it is deserved and they forfeit that account. I agree that trying to chat while crafting is a royal pain because of the problematic chat interface and the required STD spam. If someone has such a lack of things to do in this game that they feel a need to join the BOT police that's their right. Personally I can't be bothered to worry about it.

The main view I take is we are playing a game with real people. A Game. If you have a whole sense of your self rolled up in a character in a game, that's a problem. I for one could care less what a person does in game, If I am actively grouping w/ someone to achieve a goal and that person goes afk for an extended period then I note it and avoid grouping with them again. I value my time in the game as exactly that, time spent in a game.

Color me apathetic but, botting will happen regardless. Not worth ruining your time playing the game to worry about it.

Now I will return to the shadows from whence I came........
#43 Feb 09 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, blame SE for making such a boring crafting system. If players are resorting to this sort of thing to level up there's a reason for it. People play games to have fun, and crafting is not fun.

Crafting is always boring, by design. Until someone comes up with a crafting leveling experience that's as rich and challenging as combat leveling, designing crafting or gathering leveling will always rely upon making it tedious.
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#44 Feb 09 2011 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
Eadieni wrote:
LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:


Yes, bots are bad for the economy (lol) of the game but let's not assume that everyone who is crafting for 2 hours in a row without replying to your pokes is a bot.

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 10:58am by LeilaniWildfire

Just wanted to point out the thread seems concerned with people who are botting 700 hours in a row, not 2 hours. Some people have not moved out of a spot in nearly a month, and have hit 50 on numerous crafts in the same spot.


Ok, I give you that one. If someone sits for months in one spot crafting away I think I would get a bit suspicious too..
I was just commenting on the part of not responding to tells when crafting... I don't want people to start burning people as witches if they happen miss a tell or two.
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#45 Feb 09 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Perhaps SE could put a CAPTCHA in game if you've been crafting in one place too long. Like if you have been performing similar actions for 3+ hours the game gives an on-screen prompt to type in a security code and then resumes the game? Would take like 5 seconds away of your time if your a legit player but would kill most bots in time. Could even be applied to grinding (while solo not in groups).

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#46 Feb 09 2011 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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There are also MINING bots, believe it or not. Saw a LS mate mining miqo'te so I do what I always do to miqo'tes which is chase tails :D!. Long story short followed her for 5 minutes from 2 different mining nodes right behind and in front of her when she's mining and talking to her but get no response. Tried PMing nothing, so I ran off and hours later she hops on and says Hello. Asked why I got no response and only thing they said was their cousin was playing.

Amazing how they were perfectly capable of mining but stopping for a second or two to reply or even to look at how I'm poking her for 5 minutes does nothing. Note, I got my ranks though boring and long grinds, no 3rd party programs were used and only seasons of Supernatural,Family Guy, HIMYM, and a couple dozens of movies got me those ranks for crafting.


She's a witch, burn her! Really though, get a life. You almost have 3 jobs @ 50, it's obvious that you play a ridiculous amount of FFXIV. Do you really have such an abundance of free time and nothing better to do than police Eorzea?

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone botting, and I personally never have and never will bot (especially with guys like the poster above policing the streets of Eorzea). That being said, I'm not a rat snitch either. Please explain to me your motivation behind going out of your way to hunt down and expose botters.

I just don't understand how another person using a bot program hurts or harms you personally. If someone is cheating and stealing IRL, and actually doing some tangible harm to society, then I'm all for punishing them accordingly. But this is just a video game, who really cares...what's the harm in a dippy bird that hits "1" or "Enter" a million times.

Somebody tried to pull this sh*t on me the other day when I was CRP grinding. I was working from home a few days ago and I had two (2) laptops up (1 for work and 1 for FFXIV). I was on a conference call and scrolling around an Excel sheet on my work laptop, but every 10-15 seconds I would reach over and hit "enter" to spam standard or to set up my new synth on my other laptop.

Minding my own business, some random a$$hole like the above quoted poster comes up and starts poking me and sending me random tells like "you've been crafting a lot today!" and in say "hey, are you there?". I didn't have the time, and quite frankly didn't care enough to type out a response to this random idiot, so I continued to do my work stuff while "standard synth" spamming every 10-15 seconds. When I wrapped up the call, I checked my toons gear to see if I needed repairs (which of course I did). As soon as my toon stood up from his kneeling position, this same clown comes at me with "why didn't you respond to me before? I know you are botting."

While I truly appreciate these baseless and unfounded accusations, where does it say in the ToS or EULA that I have to respond to some random d*ck that has nothing better to do then harass me while mindlessly grinding on crafts? Considering the current state of affairs with SE and FFXIV, I'm glad the game has people playing it, even if those people are gil farmers and bots ><


Not sure where all the hate is coming from, but I wasn't hunting any bots. I was just running to a leve quest and ran into one of the LS mates and since it's someone I usually get /telled by asking me to repair or make **** I walked next to her to say "hi". Also I was just posting stating that there are in fact gathering bots, and showing how lame some of the excuses they use are. Lastly, I haven't even told anyone in the LS that she bots but I did confront her and they denied it. I didn't do anything further and even told her I don't give 2 ***** because her botting doesn't affect me in any shape or form but just wanted her to admit she was botting.

Also ya I did play a ridiculous amount, I got a G15 spamming enter to finish synthesis while I watch movies but I have to BE IN FRONT of the computer to start synthesis and stop the enter spam. Like I said, unemployment can get you very far in games. My only motivation then was to get to R50 on my main classes, and just so happens that my main were GLA,BSM and ARM but the grind was so painful I bailed at R48 ARM.
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#47 Feb 09 2011 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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I have to agree, crafting is unusually boring and monotonous for a next gen game. Cooking Mama and Farmville are more engaging than any craft job in FFXIV. It's not hard to see why more people bot crafting, especially when the bots aren't stealing NM claims or monopolizing a spawn area, or other detrement to the player. Craft bots can be a useful tool and asset for any linkshell, regardless of their legality. That's why there's so many of them.

Any repeatable process can be automated. In a game that derives its gameplay strictly from repeatable processes (read: grinding) bots are especially useful. I blame the game as much as I blame the botters. It's crap design that just seems made to automate.
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Not sure where all the hate is coming from, but I wasn't hunting any bots. I was just running to a leve quest and ran into one of the LS mates and since it's someone I usually get /telled by asking me to repair or make sh*t I walked next to her to say "hi". Also I was just posting stating that there are in fact gathering bots, and showing how lame some of the excuses they use are.


I'm sorry if it came off like hate, but I'm not going to commend you for launching an investigation into your own shellmates alleged "mining bot" activities. Your 5 minute window of observation in which you saw this person mine two nodes without responding to you isn't going to win your case.

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Lastly, I haven't even told anyone in the LS that she bots but I did confront her and they denied it. I didn't do anything further and even told her I don't give 2 sh*ts because her botting doesn't affect me in any shape or form but just wanted her to admit she was botting.


So you launch these gestapo-esque investigations into suspicious bot type activity only for the personal satisfaction of having someone confess a secret to you personally? Wow, that's messed up. I was hoping you would justify your behavior by getting on some moral high horse about bots ruining the in-game economy or something...

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Also ya I did play a ridiculous amount, I got a G15 spamming enter to finish synthesis while I watch movies but I have to BE IN FRONT of the computer to start synthesis and stop the enter spam.


Did you just admit to botting? I'm not sure what exactly botting is, but I'm pretty sure using a third party non-proprietary device like the G15 to automate actions is botting.
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Like I said, unemployment can get you very far in games. My only motivation then was to get to R50 on my main classes, and just so happens that my main were GLA,BSM and ARM but the grind was so painful I bailed at R48 ARM.


There seems to be some sort of cause and effect relationship here.....I can't quite connect the dots though between you playing so much FFXIV that you have almost three jobs @ cap and your inability to find gainful employment. If only SE was hiring bot police.

Happy hunting!




Edited, Feb 9th 2011 3:04pm by thejones
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On the upside, there was that warning on the lodestone about using 3rd party tools... Knowing SE, they are probably biding their time, making a big long list, and in a few months we'll probably see a sweeping ban wave


This is what I think will happen as well. Right now they're busy fixing problems with the game, but I'm sure they are collecting information on this and compiling the list. Then in a couple months come the flood of "Can't log in anyone else having this problem" threads and "Bull&*$# SE its you're fault for making a boring crafting game!" threads Smiley: smile
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#50 Feb 09 2011 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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So someone sent you a tell because they assumed something from your activity and actions. And you obviously let yourself get butthurt over it. Someone just sent you a tell about something they assumed about you. How does that hurt you personally? It bothers you for some reason right? Same goes for botting for (I assume) the majority of players enjoying the game. It bothers us.


I back thejones on this.
I often ignore tells from people that I don't know when I am on a crafting spree... ****, I often ignore people I even know when they wave at me simply because I have few times started to type a comment back when my craft is about to finish and my /tell gets completely cancelled, my craft timer goes to 0 because I am trying to do an emote while crafting or the person already runs away from my "say" range before I get to even say anything... So many times I just let it go.

Yes, bots are bad for the economy (lol) of the game but let's not assume that everyone who is crafting for 2 hours in a row without replying to your pokes is a bot.

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 10:58am by LeilaniWildfire


LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
To be honest...
If someone crafts more then 3 hours in a row they are a real life human hybrid because that s#it is so boring on the long run lol


On my days off I watched full run anime series while crafting. I have 2 monitors so the pink text always catches my eye if I'm needed.

I usually miss LS chatter since I have 3 active and all the crafting messages. And I would often stop and answer tells or do a quick synth for random people. It is boring.. I've fallen asleep many times, but it's not hard to stop for 20 seconds and talk to someone if they talk to you.
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#51 Feb 09 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
In the feedback forum I've made a sticky with a link to SE's support page. Here, you can directly notify them of RMT/bot/cheating activity as well as give them direct feedback for the game.

If you do think someone is botting, I would report them to the Special Task Force, and let them deal with it. I personally use this link whenever I see groups of RMT bot-clones. They don't always make things happen immediately -- I suspect they need to do a bunch of observing and investigating before they take any action.

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