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#1 Feb 15 2011 at 6:31 AM Rating: Default
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Hi I am building a new computer to play FFXIV. I want to run it on Med/High with no problems if anyone could give their opinions please do.

Heres the kit I am ordering also ordering 2x 4gb "Would 1x 4gb work?" Ram and 1TB drive.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7010679&sku=B69-9200

Also would the graphics card in the kit make the cut or do I need order one of these?

1. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6799927&sku=H231-6850
2. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6817311&sku=P450-6850

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 7:46am by GoGoTheNinja
#2 Feb 15 2011 at 6:39 AM Rating: Decent
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FFIV will run on any machine. Didn't know there was a PC Version though.

If you meant FFXIV I suggest you check out the various hardware threads in these forums. Especially the "Computer Building Guide" in the sticky, the one with over 2000 posts.
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#3 Feb 15 2011 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
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RidingBean wrote:
FFIV will run on any machine. Didn't know there was a PC Version though.

If you meant FFXIV I suggest you check out the various hardware threads in these forums. Especially the "Computer Building Guide" in the sticky, the one with over 2000 posts.



I have been reading most of the post I am just trying to get a new desktop that will score high on the benchmark because I don't have one to compare it to right now and I don't want to spend anymore money then I have too.

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 7:50am by GoGoTheNinja
#4 Feb 15 2011 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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You should be able play on near high/max settings for about 1,000$ US.

5850 or better
quad core or better
4gig ram dual channel is fine

re-use some parts if you have any and build your own/save some money. Takes a few hours and is about as complicated to build a PC as putting together a lego set. Follow the directions and take your time.
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#5 Feb 15 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
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aj7418 wrote:
You should be able play on near high/max settings for about 1,000$ US.

5850 or better
quad core or better
4gig ram dual channel is fine

re-use some parts if you have any and build your own/save some money. Takes a few hours and is about as complicated to build a PC as putting together a lego set. Follow the directions and take your time.


What about this one its a 5770
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5660536&sku=A271-5774
#6 Feb 15 2011 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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GoGoTheNinja wrote:
aj7418 wrote:
You should be able play on near high/max settings for about 1,000$ US.

5850 or better
quad core or better
4gig ram dual channel is fine

re-use some parts if you have any and build your own/save some money. Takes a few hours and is about as complicated to build a PC as putting together a lego set. Follow the directions and take your time.


What about this one its a 5770
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5660536&sku=A271-5774



the 5770 is a pretty good card for the money. but its a mid lvl card, its what i was using in my other PC till recently when i built the actual gaming rig. but it will play the game and should be ok on med-high settings as long as the rest of your PC is up to spec
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#7 Feb 15 2011 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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After a good 4/5 days of research and deal looking. I think I have found a great setup.

Barebone kit 300$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7010679&sku=B69-9200
MSI 785GM-P45 Motherboard
AMD Athlon II X4 630 Quad Core Processor
Cooler Master RC-310-RWN1-GP Elite 310 Mid-Tower Case
350 Watts Power Supply

Graphic Card: 180$ Before 20$ Before Rebate
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6799927&sku=H231-6850
H231-6850 ::HIS H685F1GD Radeon HD 6850 Video Card - 1024MB, GDDR5, PCIe, mini-Display Port, HDMI, Dual DVI(2.65 lbs)

Ram 2x 2gb sticks 45$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6151589
2x C10-6180 ::Centon R1333PC2048 2GB PC10600 Desktop Memory Upgrade - 1333MHz, 1x2048MB, 1.5V(1.8 lbs)

Hard Drive 40$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4499974TSD-500AS7 ::Seagate ST3500418AS Barracuda 7200.12 Hard Drive - 3.5", 7200 RPM, SATA 3G, 500GB, 16MB Cache (OEM)(0.95 lbs)

Blue-Ray drive 60$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6620862
S203-8700 ::Samsung SH-B083L/RSBP 8x Blu Ray Combo Drive - DVD+R 16x, DVD-R 16x, DVD+R DL 8x, DVD-R DL 8x, DVD+RW 6x, DVD-RAM 12x, CD-R 48x, SATA, 1.5Gbps, 2MB, 140ms, Black (2.15 lbs)

All in total 692$ After Tax. But I am going to salvage from a old pc so I will have a HD rewritable and a 1tb drive on top of all of this. Also if anyone see's and better deals to lower the cost please post a link I am going to order on friday "When I get paid..."

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 9:12am by GoGoTheNinja
#8 Feb 15 2011 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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If you go with AMD, go with a Phenom II processor. Otherwise I'd reccomend Intel.
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#9 Feb 15 2011 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Jefro420 wrote:
If you go with AMD, go with a Phenom II processor. Otherwise I'd reccomend Intel.


Its in the kit but, I do plan on upgrading in the future.
#10 Feb 15 2011 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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You do know the power supply requirement for that video card is 500watts and your power supply is 350. I see problems with getting this build to work.
#11 Feb 15 2011 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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GoGoTheNinja wrote:
Jefro420 wrote:
If you go with AMD, go with a Phenom II processor. Otherwise I'd reccomend Intel.


Its in the kit but, I do plan on upgrading in the future.



check that, cause i'm pretty sure the Athlon IIs are the AM2 socket and the Phenom IIs are the AM3 socket

but yeah the 6850 should be ok, but your PSU is low you want 500w+ like stated
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you still need your OS too if you don't already have one
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#13 Feb 15 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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GoGoTheNinja wrote:
Jefro420 wrote:
If you go with AMD, go with a Phenom II processor. Otherwise I'd reccomend Intel.


Its in the kit but, I do plan on upgrading in the future.



check that, cause i'm pretty sure the Athlon IIs are the AM2 socket and the Phenom IIs are the AM3 socket

but yeah the 6850 should be ok, but your PSU is low you want 500w+ like stated

there are AM3 Athalon II chips, I looked on newegg and found a few, but that is something you'll want to double and triple check or you won't be able to upgrade without replacing your mobo too.
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#14 Feb 15 2011 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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nyopo wrote:
You do know the power supply requirement for that video card is 500watts and your power supply is 350. I see problems with getting this build to work.

ooh, and this. I highly recommend something beyond 500 watts, like 650 or more. I blew up like 5 500 watt power supplies on a very similar system within the last 3 months.
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#15 Feb 15 2011 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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GoGoTheNinja wrote:
Hi I am building a new computer to play FFXIV. I want to run it on Med/High with no problems if anyone could give their opinions please do.

Heres the kit I am ordering also ordering 2x 4gb "Would 1x 4gb work?" Ram and 1TB drive.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7010679&sku=B69-9200

Also would the graphics card in the kit make the cut or do I need order one of these?

1. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6799927&sku=H231-6850
2. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6817311&sku=P450-6850

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 7:46am by GoGoTheNinja


It will run o.k.

I have a core i7 with 6g ram and a gtx470 and I run alright on med-high. So I guess it depends on what kind of fps you're willing to put up with.

You're better off shopping around and buying each part individually or maybe in a little 2 part combos. Those bare-bones systems are usually full of cheap garbage. Is there a Fry's or Microcenter anywhere near you?

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 1:30pm by Transmigration
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#16 Feb 15 2011 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Jefro420 wrote:
nyopo wrote:
You do know the power supply requirement for that video card is 500watts and your power supply is 350. I see problems with getting this build to work.

ooh, and this. I highly recommend something beyond 500 watts, like 650 or more. I blew up like 5 500 watt power supplies on a very similar system within the last 3 months.



Thx I totally missed that. For my OS I am going to be running XP I hate vista and windows 7

Ok I scrapped the barebones kit. Shortcuts=fails

Motherboard
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5235299&sku=A455-2881
A455-2881 ::ASUS M4A785-M Motherboard - AMD 785G Socket, AM2+, MicroATX, HDMI, USB 2.0, PCIe(2.3 lbs)

Powersupply
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6637541&sku=P450-9208
P450-9208 ::XFX P1-650X-CAH9 650W XXX Edition Modular Power Supply - 135mm Gray Cooling Fan, 650W, 80 PLUS Bronze(9.1 lbs

Processor
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6612064&sku=A79-9753
A79-9753 ::AMD HD9750WCJ4BGH Phenom X4 9750 Quad Core Processor - 2.40GHz, 2MB L3 Cache, 3600 MT/s FSB, Quad-Core, Socket AM2+, OEM Processor(0.2 lbs)

Tower
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5520044&sku=T925-3018

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 2:00pm by GoGoTheNinja
#17 Feb 15 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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GoGoTheNinja wrote:
Jefro420 wrote:
nyopo wrote:
You do know the power supply requirement for that video card is 500watts and your power supply is 350. I see problems with getting this build to work.

ooh, and this. I highly recommend something beyond 500 watts, like 650 or more. I blew up like 5 500 watt power supplies on a very similar system within the last 3 months.



Thx I totally missed that. For my OS I am going to be running XP I hate vista and windows 7


You have no reason to hate Windows 7. It's better than XP and it will run future games better than XP. I highly recommend you go with 7. What if you want to run Dx11 in the future?

*EDIT: Rate down for saying windows 7 is good? I think I have an admirer ^^

Edited, Feb 16th 2011 12:28am by Transmigration
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#18 Feb 15 2011 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Transmigration wrote:
GoGoTheNinja wrote:
Jefro420 wrote:
nyopo wrote:
You do know the power supply requirement for that video card is 500watts and your power supply is 350. I see problems with getting this build to work.

ooh, and this. I highly recommend something beyond 500 watts, like 650 or more. I blew up like 5 500 watt power supplies on a very similar system within the last 3 months.



Thx I totally missed that. For my OS I am going to be running XP I hate vista and windows 7


You have no reason to hate Windows 7. It's better than XP and it will run future games better than XP. I highly recommend you go with 7. What if you want to run Dx11 in the future?

Edited, Feb 15th 2011 1:34pm by Transmigration



Errggg. You make a good point...
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Just repeating the sentiment above, windows 7 is great. It's a waste to run XP on a new machine anyway.
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#20 Feb 15 2011 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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Echoing a few things, with some insight of my own:

1) Get a Phenom II, not an Athlon II. (or an i7, which is better)
2) For GPU I wouldn't go any lower than Radeon 5770/GTX 460. 5800/470 or 5900/480 are preferred, but more expensive obviously.
3) Make sure you have a Power Supply that can handle the GPU.
4) I wasn't really a fan of upgrading to Windows 7 at first myself, but looking back, I don't regret my decision at all. It looks better and runs better than Vista or XP. Yeah, you'll have to get used to it at first, but it's not a huge issue.
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#21 Feb 15 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a software developer and I have been building my own PCs since I was about 12 years old.

I often go for best bang for my buck. I often keep the same case, fans, dvd drive, hard drives etc.

I upgraded about a year ago to an i5, 4gb ddr3 and a single 5770 hd, on windows 7 64 bit

I can run the game at near max settings on my 46 inch lcd 1920x1080

Windows 7 is faster and better than xp in all regards, even on old machines
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#22 Feb 15 2011 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been refining the system and heres where I am at now. Will this work? Can I downgrade to a dual core or should I stick with the quad?

Motherboard
MSI 880GM-E43 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

Processor
A79-1965 ::AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition AM3 CPU HDZ965FBGMBOX - 3.40GHz, Socket AM3, 6MB Cache, 2000MHz (4000 MT/s) FSB, Retail, Processor with Fan(1.15 lbs)

Graphic Card
H231-6850 ::HIS H685F1GD Radeon HD 6850 Video Card - 1024MB, GDDR5, PCIe, mini-Display Port, HDMI, Dual DVI(2.65 lbs)

Ram
Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9/4G

PSU
ULT-LSP650 ::Ultra LSP650 650-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, SLI-Ready, 135mm Fan, Lifetime Warranty w/ Registration(5.22 lbs)

Edited, Feb 16th 2011 12:28am by GoGoTheNinja
#23 Feb 15 2011 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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The greatest piece of advice you'll find regarding building a rig to run XIV is this... don't.

I'm not bashing the game but to be perfectly honest, it was designed with console(PS3) in mind. If I were you I'd wait until that version is released. That's your best bet unless you have and plan on playing other PC games.

If you're bent on playing the PC version and you absolutely have to build, don't short yourself on the CPU or GPU if you want to run smoothly at medium to high settings. The CPU and GPU that you listed will run the game, but probably not as well as you would like them to for as much as you're going to spend. I recommend no less than 2.8 GHz clock speed. Intel i7 860 or AMD 965 or better. This game is processor hungry and doesn't manage it's processes well. The faster your base clocks, the better your machine will perform. Same goes for graphics.

All in all it'll cost you a grip of money to make a rig that will play this game at good settings. Unless you plan on playing other graphic intense games, it just doesn't make sense to spend the kind of money you'll need to in order to get great performance.


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#24 Feb 15 2011 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I plan on playing Black Ops, Crisis 2. All I played was pc games but when I got a 360 I sold my desktop and went for a laptop.

Edited, Feb 16th 2011 12:35am by GoGoTheNinja
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Just to be clear, you are building a computer to play a game that at the moment is only making its parent company bleed money. There has been precious little content added in the six months since it was released, and it was widely believed to have been released prematurely, which should have led to more, not less, frequent content updates because, presumably, they still had a large development staff continuing to contribute content to the core game. Given that wasn't the case, it's hard not to conclude that they have pulled resources off this project, have replaced a development team with a maintenance team, and are not able to be fully financially committed to turning this project around.

I suspect their plan is to streamline how new players are introduced to the game so that when they manage to port it to PS3 and sell it they won't be inundated with complaints. After the PS3 launch, which is their only guaranteed chance to make any more money off this title, if enough people play it, they'll resume charging a monthly fee and may maintain it decently. If not, they'll waive the fee and this is the game you'll get, which is probably their anticipated outcome.
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GoGoTheNinja wrote:
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H231-6850 ::HIS H685F1GD Radeon HD 6850 Video Card - 1024MB, GDDR5, PCIe, mini-Display Port, HDMI, Dual DVI(2.65 lbs)


I <3 my Radeon HD 6850.
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