Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
How can I trust the opinion of someone who hasn't even logged in (and if they have, didn't try to give it more than a 10 minute glance over) to know the direction the game is taking? It would seem incredibly silly and wrong for me to agree with those players on the direction they think the game should take.
They are customers in the same way you are. They purchased the game, they paid their monthly fees (none, I am being facetious here), and their opinion on the game is as valid as yours.
This is also called a no true scotsman; "well they're not REAL players/fans".
1) All you did was add extra adjectives in your second example.
To indicate what happens when a new system is put in place, as opposed to tweaking the current system. Tweaking implies minor change, overhaul implies major change. Of course a new system is going to have more adjectives attached to it, because it differs more than a tweaked system.
2) Why can't those changes to the battle system happen without fudging around with a different, older battle system?
Maybe they can. Is it feasible (in terms of time constraints, cost, and number of people satisfied) or simpler to modify this system than getting a new one? Most likely not, otherwise getting a new system would have been a last resort. Right now, it seems that tweaking the current system is becoming a last resort.
They are. They are also still considering the AH system, seeing as how the retainer system is STILL getting a majority negative criticism (maybe, see below). Working on the retainer system does not imply that they have dropped the auction house system.
Like above, which is more feasible and simple? Fixing the retainer system, or putting in an AH? And more importantly, would having an AH from the start, or near the start of the game have made things a lot better (answer: yes)?
Ok, different wording then. "it's because they very much like the current system, the potential it has, and its functionality in its current state."
Still no, as evidenced by question 9 on the poll. Gameplay was among the worst things that people liked about FFXIV. I would say that most people don't like the current system very much at all.
Yeah, because the UI lag and generally unpolished nature of the system was apparent to anyone who spent more than a few minutes in battle.
You cannot prove to me that the vast majority of other players think the same way you do on this one.
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're getting at here. Are you telling me that the majority of people don't want changes to the combat system? If that's what you're asking, did you just flat out ignore the numbers in the question?
Results for poll 2 haven't shown up yet (only have an unofficial poll to go by) and aren't conclusive yes or no "do you want X changed" questions. I can't use those as an indication of whether people want the combat system completely overhauled and neither can you.
Yes, because the retainer system was functioning horribly. They have since made it more stable (not quite enough yet), and added the Item Search. You'd need another poll asking the same question, and listing the same option to find more relevant information.
The item search was present before the poll was taken. Only some usability tweaks have been made since. But I concede that answers may have changed by now.
If you make an MMO right, Gameplay shouldn't have been one of the top responses, given the pool of answers we had to choose from.
Story, Immersion and social interaction (communication systems) are arguably the most appealing about MMOs. This was a very subjective question, to which players could hold any number of different feelings on their favorite aspects about the game.
This is a moot point because the MMO wasn't made right. The purpose of that question was to determine what people actually liked about it, and it turns out that gameplay was not it. The things that got low votes on that question are what need improvement.
Maybe poll this question again. In my opinion, it was an incredibly loaded question.
In effect, if you said no, you almost said "Hey, I'm complacent with how this game runs right now." when there were clearly flaws and issues that any player could see.
I don't know if people just weren't totally sure on what "drastic" means, or they felt like saying "No." would discourage the development team from working on fixes to large game features.
It wasn't loaded at all, because it wasn't meant to gauge which multiple degrees of change people are comfortable with. It didn't ask you if you wanted no change, small tweaks, larger tweaks, or complete redesign. It was meant to see if players want a complete overhaul or not. It asked if you were ok with complete redesigns and the majority of people said yes. Those that were not comfortable with the possibility of NGE, and instead wanted smaller tweaks, voted no (and ended in the minority).
I don't have to pretend. The majority of players I've spoken to are excited about improvements on what we have now.
This is called a hasty generalization and is also a logical fallacy. I'm arguing with a gigantic sample size representative of the whole of the FFXIV community. You're arguing with a tiny sample size of people that are likeminded.
You're also saying that people like the tweaks made to the current system, which is irrelevant to whether they still want the system to be changed or not.
You literally cannot argue that the people interested in this game don't want to see overhauls made to its gameplay aspects. I have cold, hard numbers to prove me right. If you're going to keep using logical fallacies and assumptions to try to disprove my points, then I'm going to claim moral victory, take my rate downs, and stop wasting time replying to you.