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#1 Feb 20 2011 at 11:14 PM Rating: Default
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feel like english speakers are getting less every day. Everyone come into the party and went "よろしく”

How do you feel on your server?
#2 Feb 20 2011 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
This isn't a very appropriate topic for this forum. However, I will amuse you this once with a reply.

You might notice more Japanese players online, depending on when you play.
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The server I'm on, Mysidia, is populated mostly by Japanese players, but it's highly likely that the number of English-speaking players on all servers have been declining at a faster rate. As stated in a few other threads, Japan doesn't have a very large choice of MMOs to choose from: Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XIV, and various F2P Japanese/Korean MMOs. They don't have the power-house that is WoW which is the fall-back MMO for millions of players, and I don't believe there is a strong enough following in Japan for Everquest, Ultima Online, Eve Online, or Lord of the Rings to make them a feasible subscription (I may be wrong about these, but I haven't heard of those being in strong contention in Japan). National pride may also be a factor since the players might have more loyalty to a game that was developed in their country; for better or worse.
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The server I'm on, Mysidia, is populated mostly by Japanese players, but it's highly likely that the number of English-speaking players on all servers have been declining at a faster rate. As stated in a few other threads, Japan doesn't have a very large choice of MMOs to choose from: Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XIV, and various F2P Japanese/Korean MMOs. They don't have the power-house that is WoW which is the fall-back MMO for millions of players, and I don't believe there is a strong enough following in Japan for Everquest, Ultima Online, Eve Online, or Lord of the Rings to make them a feasible subscription (I may be wrong about these, but I haven't heard of those being in strong contention in Japan). National pride may also be a factor since the players might have more loyalty to a game that was developed in their country; for better or worse.


^Also this. Well put.
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#5 Feb 21 2011 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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Generally, when a game is made by a company based in one country and does not market itself in China, at least 50% of the players will be from said country. If it is marketed in China, roughly 60%-80% will be located there. FFXIV may turn out differently, though, due to national tensions between Japanese and Chinese when it hits China.

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 12:02am by Uryuu
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Uryuu wrote:
Generally, when a game is made by a company based in one country and does not market itself in China, at least 50% of the players will be from said country. If it is marketed in China, roughly 60%-80% will be located there. FFXIV may turn out differently, though, due to national tensions between Japanese and Chinese when it hits China.

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 12:02am by Uryuu


If I'm not mistaken, the Chinese will be playing on separate servers, so I fail to see how there would be any heavy tension between Japanese and the Chinese.
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Japanese-made game. Chinese people. China has a history of near-constant war with Japan dating back to the B.C. era. The animosity between the 2 countries is so great that, to this very day, many citizens of each country are pretty much racist towards the other.
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DCUO went live recently, and Rift is going live within the next couple days (it already went live, for all intents and purposes, a couple betas ago)

no doubt many a western XIV player jumped ship for one of those. i know i did. (still got xiv installed though. maybe it will actually be exceptional someday)

haha look at the banners all over this very site.


hmmmm.


maybe it should read "We're not in eorzea anymore"



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Well, DCUO's pretty dead already from what I have seen. No doubt Rift will do better, although I have a feeling that the market may be quite over-saturated with "fantasy/steampunk mmorpgs" at this point in time... Neither of those games will do well in Japan, of course. Comes with the whole "doesn't have the Japanese language in the game" thing.
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I live in Asia so during my evening play time, I naturally encounter many more JP players than English-speaking ones.

It can be clearly seen at Behests. Most of the party says よろしく when joining.

Even though it IS JP peak time, I personally find it a tad bit rude for 12 JPs to not use the auto translator when there are a couple NAs in the group. I know it's not a big deal, it's just a pet peeve.

I always try to use the auto translator to greet and talk in the party.

Well, almost always.

When I join a behest party with a bunch of JPs and none of them use the auto translator, I don't use it either. So you'll see something like:

よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
よろしく
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#11 Feb 21 2011 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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Uryuu wrote:
Japanese-made game. Chinese people. China has a history of near-constant war with Japan dating back to the B.C. era. The animosity between the 2 countries is so great that, to this very day, many citizens of each country are pretty much racist towards the other.


I'm well aware of the history between the two countries, but it's just a game. I don't think it's that serious.
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Japanese-made game. Chinese people. China has a history of near-constant war with Japan dating back to the B.C. era. The animosity between the 2 countries is so great that, to this very day, many citizens of each country are pretty much racist towards the other.


I'm well aware of the history between the two countries, but it's just a game. I don't think it's that serious.


It is that serious. At times China used to always deal DDoS attacks on Japanese MMOs. It even happened with XI at one point.
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I would guess the rift open beta may have had an effect.
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The server I'm on, Mysidia, is populated mostly by Japanese players, but it's highly likely that the number of English-speaking players on all servers have been declining at a faster rate. As stated in a few other threads, Japan doesn't have a very large choice of MMOs to choose from: Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XIV, and various F2P Japanese/Korean MMOs. They don't have the power-house that is WoW which is the fall-back MMO for millions of players, and I don't believe there is a strong enough following in Japan for Everquest, Ultima Online, Eve Online, or Lord of the Rings to make them a feasible subscription (I may be wrong about these, but I haven't heard of those being in strong contention in Japan). National pride may also be a factor since the players might have more loyalty to a game that was developed in their country; for better or worse.


Jamaz is correct about Mysidia. I have been in 2 LS since beta and no one is left/speaks in any of them anymore. I don't mind all the Japanese players at all, and actually perfered to party with them when I played XI, but it does get lonely.

I have basically been soloing to where I am except for some recent Behest runs..





Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:40am by Meatdawg80
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I just got done looking at Rift player videos and it does look really nice. ****, they even have two headed turtle mounts! That's just teasing me :/
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I just got done looking at Rift player videos and it does look really nice. ****, they even have two headed turtle mounts! That's just teasing me :/


Trust me rift is just cloning everything from WoW and adding 1 new feature that isn't creative.

graphic wise, horribly ugly compare to FFXIV. I think FFXI look a lot more better if you twink it with 2096x2096


As for the japanese population, the saddest part is that even non- japanese peak time, i found more japanese then english speakers.

I personally don't enjoy playing with japanese players because like english players, they are pretty full of themselves (most of the one i met). The english speakers are also full of themselves (most of us), but what make the differences is, we english speakers can only show it in english so we don't care whether you know or not, while the japanese will show it only in japanese because they knew you can't understand and keep pretend as if nothing happen even if you ask in english. (of course, i don't mean everyone but 8 out of 10 i met are like that...)

But i really found the population does seem to be increased in japanese peak down and decline @ NA peak time.






Edited, Feb 21st 2011 9:18pm by wrongfeifong
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I do most of my playing in the Limsa region. Last night I went to Uldah for my 3rd or 4th time since I came back last month. The city was waaaay less populated than it was a few weeks ago. I dont know if the people I saw were JP or US but there was a lot less of them than I expected.
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There are many players, both JP and NA and EU, that don't mind communicating via the auto-translator, but the auto-translator doesn't cover everything you could want and sometimes it's simply easier to type in your native language; be that English or Japanese or French or German or Spanish or whatnot.

Unfortunately for the Japanese, there aren't many games that have a heavy enough JP population that they can play comfortably with people who speak their own language. Plus, there's the matter that XI and XIV are the only games that have an auto-translator that I'm aware of.

So whereas English speaking players can just as easily leave and play several dozen other MMORPGs, Japanese speaking players are strongly limited to the amount of options they have.
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Uryuu wrote:
Japanese-made game. Chinese people. China has a history of near-constant war with Japan dating back to the B.C. era. The animosity between the 2 countries is so great that, to this very day, many citizens of each country are pretty much racist towards the other.



Actually Japan's racist and xenophobic in general, They don't like Koreans either, and as I found out earlier today, old habits never die; I was denied access to a party for a Behest because <English> <No Thanks>. Reminds me of the days in XI where you had Japanese only parties because of the smug superiority complex of some JPN players :/


As an aside, Im seeing some other nationalities on ffxiv, that I never heard a peep from on ffxi. most noteably Italian and German.

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:12pm by MidouSan
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#20 Feb 21 2011 at 9:33 PM Rating: Default
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Actually Japan's racist and xenophobic in general, They don't like Koreans either, and as I found out earlier today, old habits never die; I was denied access to a party for a Behest because <English> <No Thanks>. Reminds me of the days in XI where you had Japanese only parties because of the smug superiority complex of some JPN players :/



Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:12pm by MidouSan


You'd hate Americans too if they killed off half your family with what has been called "the most famous weapons field test of all time." They've come a long way since then, but many still harbor old grudges, especially those who lost ancestors due to said event.

On that note, I have never been denied a behest party because of my inability to write in Kanji. Then again, I've also learned rudimentary romanji in an attempt to improve my ability to communicate with others.

In regards to their attitude towards other Asian countries, its no different from the way Americans look at their neighbors.





Edited, Feb 21st 2011 9:38pm by Uryuu
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In regards to their attitude towards other Asian countries, its no different from the way Americans look at their neighbors.


Or muslims in general *shrug*

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 9:24pm by Theonehio
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Uryuu wrote:
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Actually Japan's racist and xenophobic in general, They don't like Koreans either, and as I found out earlier today, old habits never die; I was denied access to a party for a Behest because <English> <No Thanks>. Reminds me of the days in XI where you had Japanese only parties because of the smug superiority complex of some JPN players :/



Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:12pm by MidouSan


You'd hate Americans too if they killed off half your family with what has been called "the most famous weapons field test of all time." They've come a long way since then, but many still harbor old grudges, especially those who lost ancestors due to said event. On that note, I have never been denied a behest party because of my inability to write in Kanji. Then again, I've also learned rudimentary romanji in an attempt to improve my ability to communicate with others.

In regards to their attitude towards other Asian countries, its no different from the way Americans look at their neighbors.

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 9:35pm by Uryuu



So many problems with that argument; Firstly, it means the Japanese are presupposing all English people are American, For example, as my "Posting from" location should have pointed out to you, I'm actually Canadian.

Now granted we didn't treat the Japanese all rosy during the war(Both Canada and the States where equally bad), but frankly they aren't innocent either, their treatment of POW's was notoriously attrocious, yet you don't see me Denying Japanese people entry into any of my parties because of their treatment of Canadian prisoners of war caught up when Japan invaded Hong Kong. Nor for that matter, do I deny German people entry into my party, despite the fact that my grandfather(rest his soul) was missing a lung and a few fingers as a result of his involvement in the war in europe.

Actually I'll take the anology one step further, Would you drop a German person from your party because of the holocaust? No. It's quite frankly absurd to try and logically reason allowing deniance of someone into a party just because of actions their country committed, or current policies for that matter.

Ultimately, it's a frithing game, theres no reason IRL History and Politics should dictate anything, I can understand not being allowed into something complex like a difficult NM fight because of language barriers, where logistically it would be impossible to co-ordinate attacks etc unless I spoke the same language. But for something as simple as Behest, it's ludicris to suggest language becomes a barrier, even more ludacris to suggest what a countries current or past policies dictates whether or not I invite someone into a party.


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MidouSan wrote:
Uryuu wrote:
MidouSan wrote:



Actually Japan's racist and xenophobic in general, They don't like Koreans either, and as I found out earlier today, old habits never die; I was denied access to a party for a Behest because <English> <No Thanks>. Reminds me of the days in XI where you had Japanese only parties because of the smug superiority complex of some JPN players :/



Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:12pm by MidouSan


You'd hate Americans too if they killed off half your family with what has been called "the most famous weapons field test of all time." They've come a long way since then, but many still harbor old grudges, especially those who lost ancestors due to said event. On that note, I have never been denied a behest party because of my inability to write in Kanji. Then again, I've also learned rudimentary romanji in an attempt to improve my ability to communicate with others.

In regards to their attitude towards other Asian countries, its no different from the way Americans look at their neighbors.

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 9:35pm by Uryuu



So many problems with that argument; Firstly, it means the Japanese are presupposing all English people are American, For example, as my "Posting from" location should have pointed out to you, I'm actually Canadian.

Now granted we didn't treat the Japanese all rosy during the war(Both Canada and the States where equally bad), but frankly they aren't innocent either, their treatment of POW's was notoriously attrocious, yet you don't see me Denying Japanese people entry into any of my parties because of their treatment of Canadian prisoners of war caught up when Japan invaded Hong Kong. Nor for that matter, do I deny German people entry into my party, despite the fact that my grandfather(rest his soul) was missing a lung and a few fingers as a result of his involvement in the war in europe.

Actually I'll take the anology one step further, Would you drop a German person from your party because of the holocaust? No. It's quite frankly absurd to try and logically reason allowing deniance of someone into a party just because of actions their country committed, or current policies for that matter.

Ultimately, it's a frithing game, theres no reason IRL History and Politics should dictate anything, I can understand not being allowed into something complex like a difficult NM fight because of language barriers, where logistically it would be impossible to co-ordinate attacks etc unless I spoke the same language. But for something as simple as Behest, it's ludicris to suggest language becomes a barrier, even more ludacris to suggest what a countries current or past policies dictates whether or not I invite someone into a party.





in reality no one care about something half a century ago. Don't bring that into the topic. Heck, Japan was a part of china 2000-2500 years ago.

These people are xenophobic because of language barrier. Not racist. Just as an american in a country with no english base. For example. China. You wouldn't find people to help you or give you a hand out of no where unless you are lucky enough to find a speaker.

Same with a chinese in US but to americans, chinese is already part of the country (common), i mean there is some what 1-10% of chinese blood in US already. But 0% of American blood in a china.

They are just not used to us or you.


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in reality no one care about something half a century ago. Don't bring that into the topic. Heck, Japan was a part of china 2000-2500 years ago.

Wrong again, Feifong.
Japan first appeared in written records in AD 57 (during the Yayoi period) with the following mention in China's Book of the Later Han:"Across the ocean from Lelang are the people of Wa. Formed from more than one hundred tribes, they come and pay tribute frequently." Before that was the Jōmon period, which lasted from roughly 14K BC to 500 BC. By 200 BC Japan was flourishing, and by around 600 AD Japan was one of the strongest contenders for power in the area.

A letter brought to the Emperor of China by an emissary from Japan in 607 stated that the "Emperor of the Land where the Sun rises (Japan) sends a letter to the Emperor of the land where Sun sets (China)"
That letter pretty much meant Japan considered itself equal to, if not greater than, China. By 838, China had completely lost all influence in Japan.
Almost forgot, the Hiroshima incident occurred on August 6th of 1945, while Nagasaki's occurred on the 9th. That means there are adults alive to this day who had their parents, friends, and siblings killed by Americans and other countries under the Allied Forces category in WW2. If a soldier killed my dad, I would hate the country whose name he did his actions in.

T.L.D.R version:

Japan was never part of China. At best, they sent tributes for a short period of time.

I find it hilarious that people think the majority of players for a game made in Japan should be anything other than Japanese. It's even funnier when those same people try to call the Japanese "conceited" or "close-minded" for being exactly the same as the rest of the world when it comes to foreigners.





Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 12:28am by Uryuu
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It's even funnier when those same people try to call the Japanese "conceited" or "close-minded" for being exactly the same as the rest of the world when it comes to foreigners.


I wouldn't say they're "exactly the same" as the rest of the world. Although a lot more open towards us foreigners here in Japan than they used to be, I don't think I need to go into the strictness towards foreigners here.
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What r u all on about? Geeze, its simple, FFXIV recently went number 1 selling PC game in Japan, alot of new players that are not burned out yet.
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Uryuu wrote:
wrongfeifong wrote:

in reality no one care about something half a century ago. Don't bring that into the topic. Heck, Japan was a part of china 2000-2500 years ago.

Wrong again, Feifong.
Japan first appeared in written records in AD 57 (during the Yayoi period) with the following mention in China's Book of the Later Han:"Across the ocean from Lelang are the people of Wa. Formed from more than one hundred tribes, they come and pay tribute frequently." Before that was the Jōmon period, which lasted from roughly 14K BC to 500 BC. By 200 BC Japan was flourishing, and by around 600 AD Japan was one of the strongest contenders for power in the area.

A letter brought to the Emperor of China by an emissary from Japan in 607 stated that the "Emperor of the Land where the Sun rises (Japan) sends a letter to the Emperor of the land where Sun sets (China)"
That letter pretty much meant Japan considered itself equal to, if not greater than, China. By 838, China had completely lost all influence in Japan.
Almost forgot, the Hiroshima incident occurred on August 6th of 1945, while Nagasaki's occurred on the 9th. That means there are adults alive to this day who had their parents, friends, and siblings killed by Americans and other countries under the Allied Forces category in WW2. If a soldier killed my dad, I would hate the country whose name he did his actions in.

T.L.D.R version:

Japan was never part of China. At best, they sent tributes for a short period of time.

I find it hilarious that people think the majority of players for a game made in Japan should be anything other than Japanese. It's even funnier when those same people try to call the Japanese "conceited" or "close-minded" for being exactly the same as the rest of the world when it comes to foreigners.





Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 12:28am by Uryuu


Personally, i never trust history as it is. they can write whatever they like. From what i know is During the Qin dynasty, the emperor have sent a fleet of male and female to japan which brought the influences of kanji which become one of their main mean of communication. If civilization have started before that period, i don't see how kanji would be adopt just because they sent a small fleet of people bring another culture into an existing culture. Especially one that isn't a conquest fleet that maintain communication consider Qin dynasty falls to han within few years after. Unless that fleet have conquered japan and claim as it own of course. However, i still don't see how japan can have monkey evolve into human on the tiny island itself from 14k to 500 BC. Considering the island was under water in pre-historic.

And seriously, it is half a century ago, it would be the third generation by now for whoever play these online game.

If whatever you said were true, i am pretty sure you would hate all the german and italian around you too. You think American kill the most of japanese in the war? There are other nations in there killing other nations as well.

War isn't something people remember, what people remember is "how to live tomorrow and not the past" If everyone clinging to the past like you said, then war will reoccur infinitely. Especially, when your country lose a war, what people will only care is to live the bitter tomorrow, not looking for revenge considering the country have lost its power and prosperity.

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When it comes to different languages, I don't think it is racism at all. What it boils down to is the ability to instruct players what to do in a behest. New players who have never done a behest would not know to hit the red marked groups only, if someone using a different language is running the group. Communication is the factor not racism.

Given the fact that Kashuan has more Japanese players, than english speaking ones, and I have been invited to many behests that were heavy with japanese players, simply because I know how to do them, would indicate racism is not a factor.
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Almost forgot, the Hiroshima incident occurred on August 6th of 1945, while Nagasaki's occurred on the 9th. That means there are adults alive to this day who had their parents, friends, and siblings killed by Americans and other countries under the Allied Forces category in WW2. If a soldier killed my dad, I would hate the country whose name he did his actions in.


You think that we have senior citizens in Japan that actually play FFXIV and resent Americans? I suppose I could mention the traitorous Pearl Harbor attack or the zero suicide bombers. That's fair game, right?
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The server I'm on, Mysidia, is populated mostly by Japanese players, but it's highly likely that the number of English-speaking players on all servers have been declining at a faster rate. As stated in a few other threads, Japan doesn't have a very large choice of MMOs to choose from: Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XIV, and various F2P Japanese/Korean MMOs. They don't have the power-house that is WoW which is the fall-back MMO for millions of players, and I don't believe there is a strong enough following in Japan for Everquest, Ultima Online, Eve Online, or Lord of the Rings to make them a feasible subscription (I may be wrong about these, but I haven't heard of those being in strong contention in Japan). National pride may also be a factor since the players might have more loyalty to a game that was developed in their country; for better or worse.


The only thing I have to say about this post is that you are incorrect about Ultima Online. In my experience when I used to play it many years ago very regulary - the game had a massive following in Japan. The Asian server was much more populated than Europe and I used this as a second shard when mine was down. Fully agree with the rest of the post though and the point you are making. Europa is very quiet these days compared to the Asian and USA shards
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