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#1 Feb 21 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
Hello!

I will beginning work on my latest guide, this time for carpentry. This will be my second crafting guide in a series of guides I have planned to do this year. It is under construction as we speak, and hopefully will be somewhat useable by the end of maintenance tomorrow. I plan to have it finished by next week.

Hope everyone will find it useful if your interested in Carpentry.

Happy synthing!

(EDIT: Here is a link to check out the progress: Clicky)

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:29pm by StateAlchemist2

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#2 Feb 21 2011 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Actually I guess carpentry is the easiest DoH to grind, you just have to stick with masks (15-20 Willow Masks, 20-25 Yew/Oak Lumbers, 25-35 Oak Masks, 35-44 Yew Masks, 44-50 Walnut Masks). They are easy to do, don't require any book and a small amount of shards.

I highly suggest to grind botanist as well, since logs have an unbelivable price but you can harvest everything you need in order to grind at rank 25 already.


Edited, Feb 21st 2011 2:21pm by alcide
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#3 Feb 21 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd probably provide a tip on how to afford the mass wind shards needed for the grind.
#4 Feb 21 2011 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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What about the cost of purchasing the saws?
#5 Feb 21 2011 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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alcide wrote:
15-20 Willow Masks, 20-25 Yew/Oak Lumbers, 25-35 Oak Masks, 35-44 Yew Masks, 44-50 Walnut Masks


That is pretty much the guide. Some levels on making them can be adjusted based on what mats you have readily available.
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#6 Feb 21 2011 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
I need some information if possible. YG and ZAM are widely confliciting on this information.

I need to know the ABSOLUTE MINIMAL rank in which you can attempt the following synthesis:

Maple Log > Maple Lumber (Rank 1 confirmed)
Lauan Log > Lauan Lumber (Rank 1 confirmed)
Willow Log > Willow Lumber
Elm Log > Elm Lumber
Cedar Log > Cedar Lumber
Ash Log > Ash Lumber
Walnut Log > Walnut Lumber
Pine Log > Pine Lumber
Chestnut Log > Chestnut Lumber
Yew Log > Yew Lumber
Oak Log > Oak Lumber (Rank 17 confirmed.)
Mahogany Log > Mahogany Lumber
Spruce Log > Spruce Lumber
Ebony Log > Ebony Lumber
Rosewood Log > Rosewood Lumber

I will update this post as information is provided.

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:56pm by StateAlchemist2
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#7 Feb 21 2011 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know the exact minimal ranks, but I can't tell you yew's and oak's are the same since I was getting the same sp on both of them, while walnut should be a little bit lower (i guess somewhere around 10).
Plus you can't synth Teak Lumber if not from local leves, since as far as i know it can't be gathered anywhere yet.
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#8 Feb 21 2011 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
alcide wrote:
I don't know the exact minimal ranks, but I can't tell you yew's and oak's are the same since I was getting the same sp on both of them, while walnut should be a little bit lower (i guess somewhere around 10).
Plus you can't synth Teak Lumber if not from local leves, since as far as i know it can't be gathered anywhere yet.


Yew and Oak are not the same. At rank 16 carpenter I could do yew and chestnut (similar sp) but not oak. once i hit rank 17 i could do oak (making oak lumber a rank 27 synthesis)

thanks for the tip on teak however

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:58pm by StateAlchemist2
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#9 Feb 21 2011 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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Hiya

The quote by alcide really does cover it. It is as simple as that.

The SP changes mean you can now consider starting synths much earlier. For example, you should be trying to do Walnut masks from 42ish (could get up to 950SP at 40 with the new SP change and ~250SP for failures with ~50% sucess) unless of course you have a bunch of yew lumber left over as mentioned above.

The parts with the most flexibility are before oak masks where you may choose to make arrow/ash/cedar shafts and also may wish to start synthing some of your yew and walnut lumber for later (you will need up to 2k yew lumber and 3k walnut lumber).

I cant really test what ranks are for each of those lumbers however I can say that some of them have been removed from the game including:
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Teak Log > Teak Lumber
Spruce Log > Spruce Lumber
Ebony Log > Ebony Lumber
Rosewood Log > Rosewood Lumber


Personally, I never made any cedar/elm/chestnut/pine lumber for skilling up however I know some ppl do make grips to bridge the 20s where willow is hardish to find.

Hope this helps
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#10 Feb 21 2011 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
lol dont mean to be rude but im not asking for advice for the guide, and you annot sum up a guide in one sentence. yes to you it may be that simple, but new players need something to look at that is complete and informative, even if obvious to any vetern player.

having everyone post their one-line guide in this thread is unecessary, but i wont tell you not to since its not my place to do so. lol

if you can provide the information i actually asked for then, by all means please do. if you want to leave another 1-liner guide like some of the above, please just go back to the General Forum without posting, so that this thread doesnt fill up with repetitive nonsense.

not trying to be rude just trying to get the information i need to make sure my guide is -accurate- (unlike most of the wikis)
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#11 Feb 21 2011 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
Tankue wrote:
alcide wrote:
15-20 Willow Masks, 20-25 Yew/Oak Lumbers, 25-35 Oak Masks, 35-44 Yew Masks, 44-50 Walnut Masks


That is pretty much the guide. Some levels on making them can be adjusted based on what mats you have readily available.

that is already incorrect, since from 15 i was doing yew lumber, and starting at rank 17 i started doing oak lumber. ill be statting oak masks at rank 20, yew masks at rank 30 and walnut masks at rank 40.
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#12 Feb 21 2011 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Thickskin wrote:
Hiya
The SP changes mean you can now consider starting synths much earlier. For example, you should be trying to do Walnut masks from 42ish (could get up to 950SP at 40 with the new SP change and ~250SP for failures with ~50% sucess) unless of course you have a bunch of yew lumber left over as mentioned above.


Before the first february update everyone was telling me to avoid walnut until 44, since it's a pretty high sinth, but after the sp change i confirm it was pretty nice at 42 too, since even in failure i was getting the same sp of a succeded yew mask. Plus Walnut logs can be gathered from grade 2 trees, while Yew logs only from grade 4 (excluding guildleve's trees at bloodshore) and the whole synth (lumber + mask) costs less shards. But i wouldn't consider doing them before 42 since it was still a 50% chance of success at that rank (using A LOT of abilities @_@) and the overall time spent for the synth is way to long compared Yew's.
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#13 Feb 21 2011 at 10:32 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
lol dont mean to be rude but im not asking for advice for the guide, and you annot sum up a guide in one sentence. yes to you it may be that simple, but new players need something to look at that is complete and informative, even if obvious to any vetern player.

having everyone post their one-line guide in this thread is unecessary, but i wont tell you not to since its not my place to do so. lol

if you can provide the information i actually asked for then, by all means please do. if you want to leave another 1-liner guide like some of the above, please just go back to the General Forum without posting, so that this thread doesnt fill up with repetitive nonsense.

not trying to be rude just trying to get the information i need to make sure my guide is -accurate- (unlike most of the wikis)


I didn't want to belittle the work you're doing, i was just saying that carpenter, compared to other DoH is pretty simple to grind... Plus i think that what i wrote is pretty much the guide, but it's obvious every person needs to try out everything, i was trying every recipe a lot of ranks before it was adviced me to do, just to see how it was going :D

Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:

that is already incorrect, since from 15 i was doing yew lumber, and starting at rank 17 i started doing oak lumber. ill be statting oak masks at rank 20, yew masks at rank 30 and walnut masks at rank 40.


Agree about yew lumbers since you're gonna need a lot of them; good luck with the masks at rank 20-30-40, they are gonna give tons of sp, but also cost a lot of effort :S I sugget to wait until 22-32-42 since at those rank you can change your main tool and get much better stats.


Edited, Feb 21st 2011 11:33pm by alcide
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#14 Feb 21 2011 at 10:40 PM Rating: Good
alcide wrote:
I didn't want to belittle the work you're doing, i was just saying that carpenter, compared to other DoH is pretty simple to grind... Plus i think that what i wrote is pretty much the guide, but it's obvious every person needs to try out everything, i was trying every recipe a lot of ranks before it was adviced me to do, just to see how it was going :D

Agree about yew lumbers since you're gonna need a lot of them; good luck with the masks at rank 20-30-40, they are gonna give tons of sp, but also cost a lot of effort :S I sugget to wait until 22-32-42 since at those rank you can change your main tool and get much better stats.


Edited, Feb 21st 2011 11:33pm by alcide


I didn't think you were belittling. It is just some people will get the impression that I think I am doing everyone such a great service, even though the actual ranking up is easy-mode. The point I was making is for ZAM to be a good Wiki, they need helpful and informative guides as well as raw data. I am handling the guides, since no one else seems to be. I don't mind either, it gives me something to do in my downtime. :)

I want to make sure that my guides will be helpful to new players. So just making a page and listing 4 synths to do isn't very thoughtful to the people actually wanting to use a guide. Besides I cover more then just ranking up in my guides.

I think as far as the masks goes I will add a notation about the difficulty of the synths at 20/30/40 and will recommend delaying for 2 extra ranks if they find it sluggish, or if maybe they don't have a few other key abilities from other crafts to make synthing high risk synths easier.
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#15 Feb 21 2011 at 10:48 PM Rating: Good
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Rosewood and Spruce don't really exist in the game at this point. I have some Spruce and Rosewood logs that I collected a long while back, but neither are currently gatherable. Probably don't need to include those in your guide. I have never seen Ebony logs.

Another set of synths you might want to include in your guide are those for making arrow shafts. Anyone who concurrently levels botany will end up with lots of branches. These synths are cheap from a shard perspective. They can be annoying however due to the training manual.

Also, cedar logs are better used to make javelin shafts for skill up purposes. The lumber isn't used for much and the synth costs a lot of shards. Javelin shafts cost less shards. It is a decent bridge synth between Willow and Oak masks.

I would also not recommend starting Oak Lumber at 17. At that level there will be a lot of failures. Trying to make lumber into a mask and failing isn't a big deal. Failing a log into lumber is a bigger deal because you lose 4 future synths. As a high ranked botanist I can tell you that Oak logs are not as easily collected as Walnut or Yew.
#16 Feb 21 2011 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
morch wrote:
Rosewood and Spruce don't really exist in the game at this point. I have some Spruce and Rosewood logs that I collected a long while back, but neither are currently gatherable. Probably don't need to include those in your guide. I have never seen Ebony logs.

Another set of synths you might want to include in your guide are those for making arrow shafts. Anyone who concurrently levels botany will end up with lots of branches. These synths are cheap from a shard perspective. They can be annoying however due to the training manual.

Also, cedar logs are better used to make javelin shafts for skill up purposes. The lumber isn't used for much and the synth costs a lot of shards. Javelin shafts cost less shards. It is a decent bridge synth between Willow and Oak masks.

Thanks I will make a note of that.

morch wrote:
I would also not recommend starting Oak Lumber at 17. At that level there will be a lot of failures. Trying to make lumber into a mask and failing isn't a big deal. Failing a log into lumber is a bigger deal because you lose 4 future synths. As a high ranked botanist I can tell you that Oak logs are not as easily collected as Walnut or Yew.

As a rank 28 Botanist I have no trouble getting Oak. Maybe you are just not farming a good area or not using the proper sweetspot?
As far as doing Oak, I have little trouble with nothing but Preserve and Maker's Muse (using support). Which I recommend getting regardless of which craft you want to take to rank 50. At rank 17 Carpentry it only took me about 20 Oak logs (I think) to get to Rank 18. I think a few fails isn't a big deal. I was getting 700+sp/synth and 300~ish on a fail.


Edited, Feb 21st 2011 11:55pm by StateAlchemist2
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#17 Feb 21 2011 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I cant give you any exact numbers state, but yew i started "efficiently at 32
efficiently as in im getting 200-300 for fails and 700+ for successes.
this may or may not be the minimum level on it though as i only even tried it this early due to the new changes, whereas before it wasnt efficient until 35, at which point you easymode it
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#18 Feb 21 2011 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I cant give you any exact numbers state, but yew i started "efficiently at 32
efficiently as in im getting 200-300 for fails and 700+ for successes.
this may or may not be the minimum level on it though as i only even tried it this early due to the new changes, whereas before it wasnt efficient until 35, at which point you easymode it


i assume you are talking about yew masks which is not the information i needed. i only need information on logs > lumber. thanks for the info though

Here is a link to the guide. Remember it is a Work-In-Progress. So whenever you look at it you may see wierd stuff, or incorrect information, or copy and pasted stuff to act as placeholders for information ill be adding etc.

State Alchemist's Guide to Carpentry

Oh, and I haven't added all the pictures yet either. lol

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 12:09am by StateAlchemist2

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Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 10:49am by StateAlchemist2
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#19 Feb 22 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Your link goes directly to the "Edit" page... which isn't a big deal since I can just click "View". Nonetheless, thought you might want to know.
#20 Feb 22 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Your link goes directly to the "Edit" page... which isn't a big deal since I can just click "View". Nonetheless, thought you might want to know.

Thanks for the heads up. FIxed it.
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#21 Feb 22 2011 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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The guide looks nice. Unfortunately I guess I will take up botony. I started this game focusing on Gladiatior, Mining, Armor, Blksmith, Goldsmith.... now I have completely changed my mind to Archer, Wood, Alch, and Botony I guess. Oh well, at least its a game and not real work.

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