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#1 Feb 21 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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Hello, my fellow FFXIV players!

I have noticed that it is fairly common for people to deliberately fail leves just before completion so that they will surely be able to do them again at the next reset. I thought this was rather odd when people that I was grouping with kept doing this, but I can see why now. It is beneficial for one or both of these reasons:

1. to be able to leve-link with your linkshell mates/friends
2. because, let's face it, some leves just give better SP than others (like, for example, R40 leve Dunesfolk for Dinner)

To clarify, I am not talking about any glitched leves that may exist (I hear there is one Necrologos leve that has a mob spawning bug that allows for mega SP, but that isn't what I'm talking about here).

But my question is: is this practice allowed? That is, is it against the rules or something that one could theoretically "get in trouble" for doing?

I am just curious about this and would be interested to hear what you guys think of it. On one hand, I do think it would be awesome to be able to do the best leve(s) every reset, but I don't want to be doing something that I shouldn't be. It just seems so common though.

Thanks for reading! ^_^ And my apologies if this has already been discussed.
#2 Feb 21 2011 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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You are absolutely not doing anything wrong. Every player has the choice to abandon the leve at the Aetheryte at any time, for any reason. Almost everyone I know including myself does this as well.
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#3 Feb 21 2011 at 9:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Whether it will remain that way, who knows. To me, it just seems so silly to intentionally fail every reset.

If SE does plan on keeping this functionality, they should probably rename it from "failing" a guild leve.
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#4 Feb 21 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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Back when this feature was added in the november update, it was stated that this was done on purpose(by a dev i believe) in order for people to continue to do the leves they want every cycle without worry of it being respawned at the counter.
the downside is you dont get the reward for doing it


so i would say it is not a glitch, not an exploit, but something deliberately put in place to let people do this

i remember when it was put in i questioned why anyone would want to do it, then i did it and saw why
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#5 Feb 21 2011 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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Pre sp change it was the only way to get lvl50 and stay sane.
#6 Feb 21 2011 at 9:33 PM Rating: Default
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Just to clarify this...all leves including Necrologos pages dropped from mobs(so all desired R30 Leves), have the chance of bugging/glitching. Pre SP patch that resulted in getting anywhere between 15-20k SP in ONE leve...after SP Patch this results in anywhere between 20-30k SP...if you do the intentional fail leve "grind" every reset with a group of 3+ people...you will get to 50 in no time now.
#7 Feb 21 2011 at 9:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll probably get rated down for this, but I consider it exploiting flaws in the system to intentionally fail leves to get them on the next reset.

Not that I'm defending the guildleve system and offerings as is, mind you. It is still terrible design on S-E's part to randomly give us leves every reset, but I still refrain from doing that practice.
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#8 Feb 21 2011 at 9:37 PM Rating: Decent
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If you need to feel somehow punished to legitimize this practice, consider that you can't earn leve rewards or faction points if you fail the leve.

You only stand to gain SP and whatever the mobs drop on the way. A fair enough trade, I think.

Edited, Feb 21st 2011 10:38pm by Almalexia
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#9 Feb 21 2011 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
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UltKnightGrover wrote:
I'll probably get rated down for this, but I consider it exploiting flaws in the system to intentionally fail leves to get them on the next reset.

Not that I'm defending the guildleve system and offerings as is, mind you. It is still terrible design on S-E's part to randomly give us leves every reset, but I still refrain from doing that practice.


if you read my post, youd know that it was done intentionaly like this in order to create a way for people to do the same leve every cycle
it isnt a bug
it isnt a flaw
it was designed this way on purpose, im gonna do some digging to find where it was stated as such in the past to put it to rest
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#10 Feb 21 2011 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Actually I think intentionally failing those specific leves are the best way to show SE what needs to be changed about leves in general.

1. Balance ALL leves, so the reward for doing them is around the same for all (SP and timewise)
2. Let us decide what leve to get each reset, instead of giving us 3 random leves per region each reset...and when we're at it, do the same for crafting leves...let US decide which rank the leve is gonna be...

If they would just do these 2 things...nobody would ever intentionally fail the leves again.
#11 Feb 21 2011 at 9:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Shezard wrote:
Actually I think intentionally failing those specific leves are the best way to show SE what needs to be changed about leves in general.

1. Balance ALL leves, so the reward for doing them is around the same for all (SP and timewise)
2. Let us decide what leve to get each reset, instead of giving us 3 random leves per region each reset...and when we're at it, do the same for crafting leves...let US decide which rank the leve is gonna be...

If they would just do these 2 things...nobody would ever intentionally fail the leves again.


1) i agree here, some of them(like collecting 2 friggin aldoat chucks in that one at cedar) are just dumb, you kill all of 4 mobs total usualy and your done, while others.....30+ mobs.....
why would anyone doing them for sp even want the goat one

2) this would be better, have all of them available every reset instead of 3 at random, and let people choose
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#12 Feb 21 2011 at 10:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks everyone for your helpful replies! I feel better now. ^_~

Vedis, I never knew that it had been done like that on purpose, thank you so much for pointing that out (and hi from a fellow Besaid player!).

And Shezard, I totally agree with you there. One of the reasons I was thinking that failing leves deliberately might be some sort of "exploit" was because I figured that if SE wanted us to be able to pick and choose what leves we wanted to do each reset then they would just offer them all to us to choose from! lol.
#13 Feb 21 2011 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Dollfie wrote:
Thanks everyone for your helpful replies! I feel better now. ^_~

Vedis, I never knew that it had been done like that on purpose, thank you so much for pointing that out (and hi from a fellow Besaid player!).

And Shezard, I totally agree with you there. One of the reasons I was thinking that failing leves deliberately might be some sort of "exploit" was because I figured that if SE wanted us to be able to pick and choose what leves we wanted to do each reset then they would just offer them all to us to choose from! lol.


i remember them saying it, but im still hunting down where it was said at, its not in the patch notes, it may have actualy been put in an interview somewhere. but those are so old its a pain sifting through some of them

but i remember it cuz at the time i was wondering why anyone would want to fail on purpose, and that sticks out in my mind, so it cant be a coincidence that now that im actualy using it i can see why
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#14 Feb 21 2011 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe someone can help me understand this better. I stopped playing consistently for a month or two. I left when you could cancel a leve, go back to the leve counter and get it again.

They changed this it seems but according to this thread there is still a way to repeat leves?
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#15 Feb 21 2011 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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Louiscool wrote:
Maybe someone can help me understand this better. I stopped playing consistently for a month or two. I left when you could cancel a leve, go back to the leve counter and get it again.

They changed this it seems but according to this thread there is still a way to repeat leves?
You deliberately fail a leve, then you can take that leve again next reset.
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#16 Feb 21 2011 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's an example:

Say you do Necrologos: Levinshower. You kill all the goats until the 5th page of the Necrologos drops, and the two lightning elementals pop. At this point, you could kill one (or none) of the elementals, then run back to the node and choose to abandon. Using this technique, the leve is not marked as complete in your journal, and will stay in the list upon leve reset, thus allowing you to run the leve again.
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#17 Feb 21 2011 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Maybe someone can help me understand this better. I stopped playing consistently for a month or two. I left when you could cancel a leve, go back to the leve counter and get it again.

They changed this it seems but according to this thread there is still a way to repeat leves?
You deliberately fail a leve, then you can take that leve again next reset.


Oh. That's much less "exploity" than it used to be. I tried it a few times and was allowed to grab the same leve again, along with getting my guardians favor back, which I thought to be a huge exploit.

So now, basically I can cancel leves that give great sp (Necrologis: Inferno) so that they show up next reset? Not bad but I wish they just balanced the leves.... "Where's the meat," I'm looking at you.
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#18flavvor, Posted: Feb 22 2011 at 12:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If the Devs didn't want you to redo a leve you failed over and over...ect. Then they would have made it( you fail x amount of times the GL gets rest)to resets. BUt no they didn't so its in their game rules to redo it every GL reset. Not a glitch so pound sand you hippes(WoW) lover..lol
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Maybe someone can help me understand this better. I stopped playing consistently for a month or two. I left when you could cancel a leve, go back to the leve counter and get it again.

They changed this it seems but according to this thread there is still a way to repeat leves?
You deliberately fail a leve, then you can take that leve again next reset.

This is not correct. You're not guaranteed to see the same leve at the counter the next reset. So, just don't trade the leve and you'll have it to try again.


Edit: I too remember the interview when leve abandoning was talked about, this is an intended mechanic, not an exploit. I think it was from an interview sometime before the Nov update.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 8:13am by Jefro420
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#20 Feb 22 2011 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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I think the interview was about failing leves when DCing, and not being able to redo them and therefore lose out on the rewards, the credits and the SP. They changed it to so failed leves get available again after a leve reset, so you can do them again and don't lose the SP/reward/items.
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The thing that sucks about failing the leve is obviously no faction credits. (gil is a little irrelevant these days)

..and no "trade-ins" for increasing guild marks.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 1:05pm by SpelunkerOne
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#22 Feb 22 2011 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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Wow this sounds interesting. Maybe if players keep abusing them SE will throw the Aerythes into the sea? =P

Don't you still need to wait for the leve to reset before you can re-try it though?
#23 Feb 22 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Shezard wrote:
I think the interview was about failing leves when DCing, and not being able to redo them and therefore lose out on the rewards, the credits and the SP. They changed it to so failed leves get available again after a leve reset, so you can do them again and don't lose the SP/reward/items.


This.
#24 Feb 22 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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seiferdincht wrote:
Wow this sounds interesting. Maybe if players keep abusing them SE will throw the Aerythes into the sea? =P

Don't you still need to wait for the leve to reset before you can re-try it though?


yes you need to wait for each reset, if you could re-attempt it right away every time over and over, now thatd be abuse
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Vedis wrote:
UltKnightGrover wrote:
I'll probably get rated down for this, but I consider it exploiting flaws in the system to intentionally fail leves to get them on the next reset.

Not that I'm defending the guildleve system and offerings as is, mind you. It is still terrible design on S-E's part to randomly give us leves every reset, but I still refrain from doing that practice.


if you read my post, youd know that it was done intentionaly like this in order to create a way for people to do the same leve every cycle
it isnt a bug
it isnt a flaw
it was designed this way on purpose, im gonna do some digging to find where it was stated as such in the past to put it to rest



It was not done this way to create a way for people to do the same leves. It was changed, so that if you Disc during leve (such as faction) youd still be able to do it again for exact same reward, in case it was Big item.
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Dollfie wrote:

2. because, let's face it, some leves just give better SP than others (like, for example, R40 leve Dunesfolk for Dinner)


Would anyone happen to know, or point me to some general knowledge of which leves are the best for the 30/40 camps such as the example above? (R40 leve Dunesfolk for Dinner)

Putting, morals, ethics and/or whether or not this is acceptable a side. I'm trying to find out which leves are better for maxing our SP gains in these camp ranges.
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jedipimp wrote:
Dollfie wrote:

2. because, let's face it, some leves just give better SP than others (like, for example, R40 leve Dunesfolk for Dinner)


Would anyone happen to know, or point me to some general knowledge of which leves are the best for the 30/40 camps such as the example above? (R40 leve Dunesfolk for Dinner)

Putting, morals, ethics and/or whether or not this is acceptable a side. I'm trying to find out which leves are better for maxing our SP gains in these camp ranges.


theresd a thread buried a couple pages back that names them all
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