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#1 Feb 22 2011 at 12:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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#2 Feb 22 2011 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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I missed the FFXI battle music, but I still like FFXIV's battle music a little more.

FFXI did a lot better with field music, though I enjoy listening to Coerthas and La Noscea's background music.
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#3 Feb 22 2011 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree with you.
I think Nobuo is too old and don't have much idea left.
( I remembered that he confessed in the making of FFXIV that he sitting and waiting the music to pop from his head and when the dead line come he just rush every tracks out lol )

I still remember good old songs of FFXI like Saruta Baruta field, Mhura ( i love this one the most http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0bSjxvS0sw )Selbina, Jeuno and some other songs.

For me.. FFXIV ost are all lame and now i have to turn it off and open FFXI song instead lol

PS. I listened FFXI BCNM music and I recalled that when I enter Maat fight for the first time.. i was so exited that my hand cold and shaking also my heart almost stop beating with this song..

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 2:01am by mualchon
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XIV > XI (combat tracks).

The vanilla music already beats many of the later XI music tracks. Just my opinion without any nostalgy, of course.

Can't wait to see what he does in the expansions (if we ever get there). The field music could be improved though, I agree there.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 10:02am by Hyanmen
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this topic makes me want to go back to ffxi ; ;
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this topic makes me want to go back to ffxi ; ;


Me too definitely lvling my RDM tonight!

The opening post left out all the most common field themes which I think are bloody amazing all of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wuvJ9wlZwA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3-k7XbsxM&feature=related <---OH my GOD!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clld-gFL050&feature=related <---this always manages to lower my blood pressure after enduring San'Dorian sack-pipes!



Btw I'm from Windy so naturally I think the Windy theme is best of them all but the amount of love I have for the other themes is just a testament to how great music they are.

Caderva's Mire is magical too and not just the music but the whole place is like walking in a dream.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 2:17am by seiferdincht
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I love FFXI so ******* much...But I know if I go back it won't be the same. Hardly any of my friends play anymore, if any :(
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TBH I don't think you can compare the two fairly. They are two different styles

FFXI: Full, Analog(Non Digital) Orchestras without much digital enhancement
FFXIV: Bands and maybe Small Orchestras with heavy post production and electronic/digital elements added in.

If I'm wrong on that someone point it out for me, my ear is trained for beatmatching and other club stuff, not deciphering the finer stuff (IE Orchestras)
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#10 Feb 22 2011 at 2:58 AM Rating: Good
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MidouSan wrote:
TBH I don't think you can compare the two fairly. They are two different styles

FFXI: Full, Analog(Non Digital) Orchestras without much digital enhancement
FFXIV: Bands and maybe Small Orchestras with heavy post production and electronic/digital elements added in.

If I'm wrong on that someone point it out for me, my ear is trained for beatmatching and other club stuff, not deciphering the finer stuff (IE Orchestras)


Both soundtracks were made on computers, not using a real orchestra.
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TerraSonicX wrote:
MidouSan wrote:
TBH I don't think you can compare the two fairly. They are two different styles

FFXI: Full, Analog(Non Digital) Orchestras without much digital enhancement
FFXIV: Bands and maybe Small Orchestras with heavy post production and electronic/digital elements added in.

If I'm wrong on that someone point it out for me, my ear is trained for beatmatching and other club stuff, not deciphering the finer stuff (IE Orchestras)


Both soundtracks were made on computers, not using a real orchestra.



Yet I think there's a point being made here.

XIV does sound a bit over produced compared to XI because Uematsu had another composer to help with the orchestra arrangements in XIV. XI ost just screams smaller budget across the board. I have my preference but I'm not saying either is better way of doing music. I guess the masses like more processed music.
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seiferdincht wrote:
TerraSonicX wrote:
MidouSan wrote:
TBH I don't think you can compare the two fairly. They are two different styles

FFXI: Full, Analog(Non Digital) Orchestras without much digital enhancement
FFXIV: Bands and maybe Small Orchestras with heavy post production and electronic/digital elements added in.

If I'm wrong on that someone point it out for me, my ear is trained for beatmatching and other club stuff, not deciphering the finer stuff (IE Orchestras)


Both soundtracks were made on computers, not using a real orchestra.



Yet I think there's a point being made here.

XIV does sound a bit over produced compared to XI because Uematsu had another composer to help with the orchestra arrangements in XIV. XI ost just screams smaller budget across the board. I have my preference but I'm not saying either is better way of doing music. I guess the masses like more processed music.


I think you mean Uematsu had help in XI. He composed XIV entirely himself.
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seiferdincht wrote:
TerraSonicX wrote:
MidouSan wrote:
TBH I don't think you can compare the two fairly. They are two different styles

FFXI: Full, Analog(Non Digital) Orchestras without much digital enhancement
FFXIV: Bands and maybe Small Orchestras with heavy post production and electronic/digital elements added in.

If I'm wrong on that someone point it out for me, my ear is trained for beatmatching and other club stuff, not deciphering the finer stuff (IE Orchestras)


Both soundtracks were made on computers, not using a real orchestra.



Yet I think there's a point being made here.

XIV does sound a bit over produced compared to XI because Uematsu had another composer to help with the orchestra arrangements in XIV. XI ost just screams smaller budget across the board. I have my preference but I'm not saying either is better way of doing music. I guess the masses like more processed music.



Yep, exactly. FFXI sounds more real and Organic to me, where as FFXIV I can tell its heavily Synthesised. Between the two, I see them as two seperate things that you can't compare properly, because it ultimately comes down to personal taste.

It would be akin to me comparing Justin Bieber to Paul Oakenfold. It just doesn't work.
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#14 Feb 22 2011 at 3:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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MidouSan wrote:

Yep, exactly. FFXI sounds more real and Organic to me, where as FFXIV I can tell its heavily Synthesised. Between the two, I see them as two seperate things that you can't compare properly, because it ultimately comes down to personal taste.

It would be akin to me comparing Justin Bieber to Paul Oakenfold. It just doesn't work.


You're right, it does come down to personal taste. I find that XI has this sort of tribal beat and I don't like it that much. It seems like most of the songs in XI have some sort of woodwind instrument and xylophone like percussion. Of course XIV has a more rock like soundtrack, which may turn some people off.
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TerraSonicX wrote:
seiferdincht wrote:
TerraSonicX wrote:
MidouSan wrote:
TBH I don't think you can compare the two fairly. They are two different styles

FFXI: Full, Analog(Non Digital) Orchestras without much digital enhancement
FFXIV: Bands and maybe Small Orchestras with heavy post production and electronic/digital elements added in.

If I'm wrong on that someone point it out for me, my ear is trained for beatmatching and other club stuff, not deciphering the finer stuff (IE Orchestras)


Both soundtracks were made on computers, not using a real orchestra.



Yet I think there's a point being made here.

XIV does sound a bit over produced compared to XI because Uematsu had another composer to help with the orchestra arrangements in XIV. XI ost just screams smaller budget across the board. I have my preference but I'm not saying either is better way of doing music. I guess the masses like more processed music.


I think you mean Uematsu had help in XI. He composed XIV entirely himself.



He composed it he had help with the orchestral arrangement of it. It's mentioned only in a couple of interviews I guess because they want to market the 100% Uematsu aspect of it.
#16wrongfeifong, Posted: Feb 22 2011 at 3:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You guys even know that nobuso only composed like 2-3 piece of FFXIV music? The rest isn't his. Stop giving him all the credit. (i think)
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#18wrongfeifong, Posted: Feb 22 2011 at 4:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok you are right, because it doesn't sound like those music are from him and i never saw the other titles from distant world i never assume he did more (and the fact he never done complete score for 1 game). But i doubt he will compose rest of the FFXIV from now on... I like the FFXI composer more, i never really like him that much myself.
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Sometimes I still put up in loop:

Stargazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD-TANsKvcw for crafting
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Run Maggots Run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFh97j5e__M for grinding

Just enjoy them a lot more for some reason. (Run Maggots Run really helps me keep up the pace xD)
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#20 Feb 22 2011 at 5:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Sigh, don't you hate it when every thread turns into a "Oh no you didn't!"-finger waggling-*****-fight?

XIV music was arranged by Tsutomu Narita, Kenichiro ***** and Tsutomu Narita composed by Uematsu.

Wiki says: The American Federation of Musicians defines arranging as "the art of preparing and adapting an already written composition for presentation in other than its original form. An arrangement may include reharmonization, paraphrasing, and/or development of a composition, so that it fully represents the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic structure"


To make my point I found and old phone call between the producer and the Star Onions (XI composers):

"What do you mean you can only buy a skin flute and a second-hand guitar with the money I gave you?! Are you trying to rip me off!!!?? No more excuses just make it work people! Stop crying Tanioka this is a perfect opportunity for you to do that cutesy Robahous-stuff you're always talking about!"

A call from the XIV producer has a distinctly different tone of voice that's hard to convey in a text form:

"What do you mean the tambourine player doesn't have his own trailer like the rest of the crew?! MADNESS!! I'm sending some money your way right away so you can correct this and I'll hire everyone on the team a personal masseur to help relieve the stress. Kisses, ciao!"



Btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA79eJ8wlhY&feature=related 1:52 This man is working hard people! Have some respect!

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 6:24am by seiferdincht
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I don't think the vanilla battle themes in FFXI were anything special at all. Awakening was good, but the rest were meh. A couple battle themes used later like "Depths of the Soul" from CoP and some of the boss themes stood out. I enjoy a lot of the battle themes that are already in FFXIV.

The rest of the soundtrack...? It's all very good, actually I'm enjoying it a lot, and it does "bring me back" there's some nostalgia with N's music, though actually he could've gone heavier on the nostalgia, seeing as how I feel like a lot of people here are actually saying the XI tracks are better primarily for that reason.

One thing I would say though is that I feel like some of the tracks are inappropriately placed. In particular, I'm not a huge fan of the Ul'dah or Thanalan tracks being where they are. They're good tracks, perhaps they are appropriate for night time in those areas, but I do feel like a desert trading/gambling city deserves a more up-beat track with some near eastern fare or something to that effect.

It's still way too early to judge which soundtrack will take the cake, FFXI is many expansions in. I think one big test will be the Empire, we all know the theme song makes the Empire.
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FFXI was my first MMO so it has a special place in my heart. It was also the first time I ever REALLY paid any attention to the music so I guess that made it sort of "magical" too. I can't really compare the two.
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great recap. XIV actually has some really good tracks too, I'm just annoyed by those with the cheap electric guitar and noisy arrangements.

This one was special for me in XI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuvxcpQ-veg
Not so much the music, but the general atmosphere of the place. I enjoyed leveling here to get this atmosphere even tho most of times it was not optimal exp-wise
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I have yet to be struck in amazement with XI soundtrack and XIV. The only two songs I really like from XI are The Sanctuary of Zi Tah and the area outside of Bastok *brain **** right now, can't remember the area). That is it...

However I loved VII, VIII, IX, and X and XI-2 soundtrack :) <3 <3 <3 Especially Quinna's Theme and Q's Marsh...makes for some great jams at the gym :)
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Regardless of productions methods, the composition aspect is still spot on. . . hearing some of the ffxiv tracks totally brought me back to pre-FF10 era music and I totally reminisced playing Crono-Trigger and Secret of Mana as well.

It was a great listen because I found myself imagining where each different track would appear in-game depending on circumstance. Thanks for the links to all. It was really rad to listen to those. . .



ps. I might just got hop into Logic and throw something down actually (inspiration anyone?)

edit - Desert Moon Defied is my favorite . . . I can seem to put my finger on the time signature however. . . I am thinking 6/8 but my theory is dusty atm. . .

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#26 Feb 23 2011 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey, what about this one? This one has a similarity to FF7 battle theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0LztET4UQ&feature=related

I love hearing this... Makes my blood boil. /thumbs up
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Whoever posted the Gustaberg/Mhaura theme wins. I'd listen to FFXI's soundtrack all day over XIV's for the most part. loluldahmusic
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Whoever posted the Gustaberg/Mhaura theme wins. I'd listen to FFXI's soundtrack all day over XIV's for the most part. loluldahmusic


Seriously, I have like 0 issues with any of FFXIV's music besides Uldah's, and unfortunately it's the city everyone decided to hang out in. The first time I stepped in there I thought they had copied the music right out of Phantasy Star Online's lobby track.
#29 Feb 23 2011 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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XI's soundtrack is the pure winner here for mysleft from battle themes and open field music, boss battles, bcnm's etc... atm there is no contest and I wish they didnt let Nobu do the whole soundtrack for XIV. I hope future music is done by others.
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I think one of the problems people have with the XIV soundtrack actually stems from the zones themselves.

It's pretty obvious that they aimed to create areas in the game that would strongly evoke XI zones for the majority of us.

When I see Uldah I think of Jeuno.
Limsa reminds me of Port Bastok.
Gridania is Windurst.
Thanalan evokes a mix of Gustaberg/Attowha Chasm/Tahrongi Canyon.
La Noscea reminds me of Konschtat Highlands, etc.

What's risky with that approach is that most of us have an emotional attachment to many of those old zones after playing in them for so many years. A lot of that attachment comes from the music itself. So when we explore these new "familiar" areas, we can't help but feel the music is a little "off".

At least that's how I feel sometimes, though I notice the music of XIV growing on me more and more. I love the Thanalan/La Noscea themes. I think if future zones have their own unique personality instead of drawing heavily on XI areas, people will have an easier time enjoying Nobuo's composition. I feel like Coerthas stands on its own a bit better, and it's theme is apparently one that people grown fond of the most. I haven't set foot in Mor Dhona yet, but from what I've seen of it looks pretty unique, maybe I'll have an easier time enjoying its theme from the start too.
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As many of these threads talking about music have popped up, my general opninion still hasn't changed.
My personal belief is that both OSTs have their ups and downs. Great, Average and Boring songs.
XI has tons of Great tracks, a few Average, and a Few Boring.
XIV has a few Great tracks, tons of Average, and Few Boring.

And there's a simple reason for this; Uematsu is out of his depth. Composing an entire MMO alone isn't normal. Composing an MMO with no real experience is DEFINATELY not normal. (Keep in mind all of Uematsu's work on XI was for the storyline, he never composed any battle or field music i.e "MMO Style Music"). Notice how all of his Cutscene music is wholeheartedly perfect. Then we move into Field tracks. They're great in their own right, but they're mostly so incredibly short. And a track that gets repeated a billion times, and is also short don't work well together.
In a way, had XIV been an offline game, I would appreciate the OST, oh so much more...


Then we get down to the comparisson. Heres what I think;
FFXIV does a much better job of blending music together with the area to create an atmosphere. The music becomes part of the zone. The Black Shrowd for example makes me feel like there's a real "Woodsy" atmosphere, the hooting of the owls, the rustling of the trees, and the subtle mysterious music. Until after about 10 minutes where I think, wow this music is repetitive

FFXI is more "listening" to music. You don't walk into Bastok and think "hey this music blends in perfectly with the industrial theme" you think more "hey this music is cool, and its kind of got an industrial feel to it, hey wait a minute, Bastok is all industrial!". Maybe its just me. But I really feel like XI's music is to be enjoyed seperately from the area. That said, an expection is definately the CS music, and of course there are the odd field zones too. In fact ironically, I feel like Bastok [S] is the complete oppisite. The regimental beat and melody is just perfect really.

The plus side? It only gets better from here. Mizuta was foruntae enough to have Tanioka and Uemtsu by his side making the original FFXI soundrack, and with that foundation, he was able to take all his experiences and make top notch expansion OSTs first time round.
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XI has tons of Great tracks, a few Average, and a Few Boring.
XIV has a few Great tracks, tons of Average, and Few Boring.



That's subjective, I like FFXIV's soundtrack way more than XI's. In my list above, the songs I have listed are the only ones I like in XI, including the expansion tracks. There are songs from XIV I didn't include on my list because I felt my list was getting too long.
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