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#1 Feb 22 2011 at 4:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been wondering about that for a while now...

Sure, gil is earned easily and quite steadily, and there's not a lot of reason to spend it on anything, but realistically... why is even some of the first upgrade stuff (level 1 to level 8) anywhere from 50,000 to 400,000 gil?

Are there really people paying those prices?

Once in a while i find a merchant who hasnt gone completely nuts, and has something for a decent price out there. But it strongly seems the rest of the world is milking adventurers for every gil they earn.

From 22,000 gil single crystal shards to a piece of simple armor that took 7k to make or free if you farmed the components which is then sold for 200,000 gil. From a relatively new player's perspective, i feel i'm being majorly ripped off even considdering buying new things.
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#2 Feb 22 2011 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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Dont buy new stuff if you are new if the price is out of the range you feel comfortable paying. This past week my wife started playing.Over the past week my wife has leveled all of her dow and dom classes from 1-20 while studying for tests and doing school work. All in starter gear.She afks for 45 minutes and then joins a behest plays for 15 minutes then back to studying. Not one person has commented on her gear(or lack of) yet.
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#3 Feb 22 2011 at 5:29 AM Rating: Good
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I actually notice the opposite. The prices are plummeting with the Item Search feature.
Everyone wants to sell their item first, and gain more inventory space in the process.

Could just be a server thing though.. and specific items. What in particular were you looking to buy from 50-400k?

Edit: misread that one line. You might have been looking at some items that can be upgraded to higher level pieces of gear. That's the most I can guess at without knowing the specific items.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2011 4:35am by Kirby
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#4 Feb 22 2011 at 5:46 AM Rating: Good
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if people can charge 90k for a lvl 7 thing they will charge 90k for a lvl 7 thing. In that case some healthy competition will drive the prices lower. But sometimes the prices are high because the illogical way the crafting system sometimes works; for example some cases where u need lvl 29 blacksmith+22 leatherworker to make a lvl 22 thing or lvl 39 alchemist to make a lvl 17 thing..
But on my server (same as kirby) i've indeed noticed lower prices because of more supply.
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I might be wrong but in my opinion the most dificult thing to get so you can craft will be mostly the crystals and these are used in both mid and high level range synths.

As such you will have two kind of crafters the ones that will use them mainly for high end stuff and as such demand high prices or you have the crafters which will try and fill the gap created on mid rank gear. These last ones tend to get their prices high because of the lack of offer of these products.

Personally as a ARM the most expensove thing I've sold was a Ccavalry Hauby +1 at 600K, the regular ones I sell at just over 100K.
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#6 Feb 22 2011 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
My stuff doesn't sell regardless of how low the price is HAHA.

Anyway, seems that no one wants to buy any gear that is below level 40!!

Oh well, grind a way I will...
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#7 Feb 22 2011 at 7:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, another thing you may not be aware of: HQ items are not indicated in the Item Search. The only way to find out if they are in fact HQ, is to check them on the retainer itself. Hopefully this is addressed soon.

Some of those high prices you saw might have been +1/+2/+3 versions of the normally cheap items.
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#8 Feb 22 2011 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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People may also be taking advantage of the fact that not many crafters are making low level gear atm, the focus seems to be on the 35-50 stretch atm. Perhaps they assume that since the item is not being sold anywhere, they can charge an arm and a leg for it. What server are you on? I don't mind making gear for new players - and perhaps if you wandered into a guild and offered materials for gear people would make them for you for a small fee.
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You also need to remember that if your the first to sell some thing, lets say an item for 3k and all of a sudden others start selling it for 2k then 1k then 500 your price looks really high. i like the current prices of items but i would like to see what has been sold and for what price. I think it helps sellers see a trend in the market if items are in demand and it keeps them in check from selling items for an absorbent increase. I Like seeing what items have been sold for rather seeing them for what they are being sold at.


Also people are selling worthless **** at a high price only because their the only ones selling it.
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flavvor wrote:
You also need to remember that if your the first to sell some thing, lets say an item for 3k and all of a sudden others start selling it for 2k then 1k then 500 your price looks really high. i like the current prices of items but i would like to see what has been sold and for what price. I think it helps sellers see a trend in the market if items are in demand and it keeps them in check from selling items for an absorbent increase. I Like seeing what items have been sold for rather seeing them for what they are being sold at.


Also people are selling worthless sh*t at a high price only because their the only ones selling it.


This is one thing that they have said they don't want to do. In FFXI people would use the Auction House history to their own advantage. Say an item was selling for 20k. They would buy all the items in the market and then resell them for a lot more (We'll say 100k). They then either use their alt, or have LS members rebuy all the items they put up for 100k. Now instead of the AH history listing the item being worth 20k, the person has now made it look like the standard going price for that item is 80k more than it's actually worth.

Now add in RMT, and an elitist mentality and you have a huge mess. Without that gear you're not invited to parties, so that RMT starts looking enticing.. Then you pay real money for the Gil from the RMT (who were more than likely the ones who raised the prices in the first place). This further encourages RMT to do it with other items because it worked so well with the first one. Rinse & Repeat.

I must say that I do miss the AH History a little bit though. It's nice window shopping, but a little frustrating when you have no way to know how much Gil you need to save up to be able to buy that item that looks so nice. Not to mention it was nice to see how often something was sold so you could see if your chances of seeing one pop on the AH were realistic.
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#11 Feb 22 2011 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
Oh, another thing you may not be aware of: HQ items are not indicated in the Item Search. The only way to find out if they are in fact HQ, is to check them on the retainer itself. Hopefully this is addressed soon.

Some of those high prices you saw might have been +1/+2/+3 versions of the normally cheap items.


Yep exactly. Last week I was having a **** of a time finding a brass spear. The only one listed was one for 80k which was way too high in my book so I passed on it and just waited it out. A couple days later someone posted one for around 25k so I went to pick it up. Came across the person selling the 80k and it was a +1, which is still too high. If only I can find an iron head knife (which for that i'd pay 80k for lol) i'd be a happy camper.
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#12 Feb 22 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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Also if the items are used in high level crafting, that may be what is driving the price up especially on the +1/+2/+3 items since the high level crafter is usually trying to HQ again.
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#13 Feb 22 2011 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I wish I could get 22000/shard o.O I have about 3-5k of each lol. That said, I feel anything that costs less than 50k to make should be free to anyone. So I give it out :)
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#14 Feb 22 2011 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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You can always vote with your gil. If you don't want to pay the price, then don't. It is simple, if enough people agree with you and don't pay, then the price will eventually adjust. Personally I see the prices going down.

50k gil is like finding some change on the ground IRL. Just doing all your guildleves can net you about 200,000 gil. On top of that, there are tons of other money making opportunities. If you don't want to take the time to make the gil, that is your decision. But if you don't, then don't expect to compete with those who do make the gil to buy what they want.
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#15 Feb 22 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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Having no price history is fun. You can be patient and find great deals as a buyer.... and as a seller you can wait until "no more are listed" and price it however you want and hope to get lucky.

It is impossible for either side to take advantage of the other when no one is forcing a buyer to buy, or a seller to sell. It is a mutual transaction every time.

#16 Feb 22 2011 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
I actually notice the opposite. The prices are plummeting with the Item Search feature.
Everyone wants to sell their item first, and gain more inventory space in the process.


I've noted the same, I've also noted a huge range of prices for a single item. Example; The Iron longsword I was looking for in the item search, One was selling for 80k, 5 selling for 90k,3 Selling for 120k and 5 for 160k. This shows to me the market is still in massive fluctuation, which is not a suprise given how new the game is, we are all flying off the seat of our pants guestimating market worth.

It's all about giving the market time to settle and get into a normal rythm. Until then, use the Item search feature from the Market wards ^^
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#17 Feb 23 2011 at 4:24 AM Rating: Good
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blargh the wards just crashed again on my server.. I wonder if it crashes at the same time as all other servers?
Anyway i did notice there is a certain price range,in cases of manufactured goods, where you will sell your goods reasonably quick and any above that range will cause your stocks to gather dust. I find it fascinating how every product seems to move towards a natural price.
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I can understand that players don't want to spend alot of gil for gear and weapons, but also consider the following.

As it's been mentioned already, even some of the low level stuff requires one or multiple (compared to the item's rank) high ranked DoH.
Other items require rare and therefore expensive materials.
And there is the ammount of time needed to gather or craft all the needed materials/parts before an item can be made.

If you consider all this, the only thing that's left is supply and demand.
If you craft something that's not avaliable in the wards your chances are high that you can sell it for a nice profit.
On the other hand, items that are used for skillups because they require few/cheap materials and shards/crystals can be bought for a buttered bread.

PS: Don't even think about buying gear from NPC merchants. They are the ones trying to rip you off. ^^
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#19 Feb 23 2011 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah, i figure i'm not going to let it bother me too much now.

Sold a bunch of crystals, ended up 600,000 in the plus just from that.

If it's that easy, i dont particularly mind spending gil on ripoff prices for basic NQ gear now.
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#20 Feb 23 2011 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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They're not really ripoff prices if you were able to generate cash that quickly...it's just a different scale.
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