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#1 Feb 23 2011 at 5:29 AM Rating: Good
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Just a quick question (maybe I'm being daft but I can't see it anywhere).

When is the fabled February update coming along? SE only have 5 days left to meet their promise and I haven't seen a thing. I check back here daily for more info but I'm getting a bit disheartened by the lack of communication.

Do we have any more news?

(The reason I ask is that I might consider coming back if there's actually stuff to do apart from exp all day every day)
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#2 Feb 23 2011 at 5:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Many of us are wondering the exact same thing.

The common opinion seems to be that the update already came without any substantial content so you might as well start waiting for the next one.
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At present, we intend for something new to be released about twice a month. The small-scale, system-oriented updates that will be carried out can best be thought of as the necessary groundwork for the battle system revisions.


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#4 Feb 23 2011 at 5:37 AM Rating: Good
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they updated the lodestone with more content so they already met their promise!
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At present, we intend for something new to be released about twice a month. The small-scale, system-oriented updates that will be carried out can best be thought of as the necessary groundwork for the battle system revisions.


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Weird how no one's heard a thing about it though, considering there was that mini-update last week?

I assume that if we don't hear something by Friday, we won't get anything in Feb. Unless they get it done on Monday, which I guess is possible.
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#6 Feb 23 2011 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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Monday's actually the day that gets the most MMO updates, so its more than likely.

Or was that Tuesday?

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 6:10am by Uryuu
#7 Feb 23 2011 at 6:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uryuu wrote:
Monday's actually the day that gets the most MMO updates, so its more than likely.

Or was that Tuesday?

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 6:10am by Uryuu


I seem to remember FFXI getting most of its updates on a Monday. I guess from their perspective, it's a "right let's get this all done before the weekend, then we'll implement it when we're back in on Monday".

I just find it odd that we've not heard a thing, and it's 3 working days until March.
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#9 Feb 23 2011 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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Weird how no one's heard a thing about it though, considering there was that mini-update last week?

I assume that if we don't hear something by Friday, we won't get anything in Feb. Unless they get it done on Monday, which I guess is possible.


What're ya saying?

We got a patch in early Feb. (1.15a). We got a patch in mid-Feb (1.15b). That makes two. Exactly what the quote says. They even specifically mentioned the small-scale, system-oriented updates that are the groundwork for the battle system revisions (party size adjustments).

They led us to believe that we would get quests earlier than in March, but there has been no promises made that quests would come in February. So, we will wait a week longer at the very least.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 3:37pm by Hyanmen
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#10 Feb 23 2011 at 6:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Likibiki wrote:
Just a quick question (maybe I'm being daft but I can't see it anywhere).

When is the fabled February update coming along?


You mean the 2 updates we already had?
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I thought it was kinda obvious, but to clarify, I mean the one with the promised content for the game.

Not the tiny little one that fixed about 3 things.
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#12 Feb 23 2011 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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Likibiki wrote:
I thought it was kinda obvious, but to clarify, I mean the one with the promised content for the game.

Not the tiny little one that fixed about 3 things.


The problem is that it is NOT obvious. At most, they sorta kinda maybe hinted that there could be content coming soonish. The players are the ones who invented the "one fix update and one content update" per month. The two updates we've gotten, as disappointing as the second one was, fulfill all promises they have made. What got me initially was their chart that contains items they are "currently" working on. I took that to mean items that will be in the upcoming patch. That's obviously not the case and I've learned (again) not to get my hopes up until I see detailed patch notes.

With patch 1.15b I lost hope of a February content patch and am just waiting for the next letter from the producer.
#13 Feb 23 2011 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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It's not like we are talking about huge time differences here. The difference between late-Feb. and early-March is a week at this point. Although February ends a bit abruptly as per normal so somewhere before March 10th sounds more likely than somewhere after the 1st.
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#14 Feb 23 2011 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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That's obviously not the case and I've learned (again) not to get my hopes up until I see detailed patch notes.


It is what is currently worked on but it doesn't mean it was going to be in the next patch unless they can finish it in time, like you said:

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The players are the ones who invented


You perceived that it would be in the next patch Smiley: grin, it just means what will be coming soon and future tasks are further adjustments if necessary. Content will come when it comes, but they need to fix the foundation first because I know I for one wouldn't care if I can do content 24/7 I won't have fun if these latency problems continue or everyone is still basically the same freelancer class.
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Content will come when it comes, but they need to fix the foundation first because I know I for one wouldn't care if I can do content 24/7 I won't have fun if these latency problems continue or everyone is still basically the same freelancer class.


That's all well and good, but if patch 1.15b is indicative of what two weeks of work gets us, it's going to be a long time before we are ready for content.

I realize I'm drawing a conclusion with a single data point and I hope I'm on the pessimistic side. I guess I was expecting at least some detailed info last week considering how insignificant 1.15b was.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that they should release small amounts of content as they fix the foundation. Let's face it, this is an MMO and MMOs' foundations are constantly changing. They could spend years perfecting the foundation. I think we would agree that that is too long to go without content.
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That's all well and good, but if patch 1.15b is indicative of what two weeks of work gets us, it's going to be a long time before we are ready for content.


At this, I had to smile.
Yes. Besides, it took them 5 months to implement a rudimentary search function into the retainer dungeons.

My guess is that they simply don't care about satisfying the current player base.
Those have proven over almost half a year now that they will stay no matter what.

If they are smart, they will hold back any "significant, real game and experience
changing content updates" until the PS3 version launches. That way they may get some
positive re-reviews.

In the mean time, they can experiment with the battle system and their unwavering
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#17 Feb 23 2011 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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Hydragyrum wrote:
Mistress Theonehio wrote:
Content will come when it comes, but they need to fix the foundation first because I know I for one wouldn't care if I can do content 24/7 I won't have fun if these latency problems continue or everyone is still basically the same freelancer class.


That's all well and good, but if patch 1.15b is indicative of what two weeks of work gets us, it's going to be a long time before we are ready for content.

I realize I'm drawing a conclusion with a single data point and I hope I'm on the pessimistic side. I guess I was expecting at least some detailed info last week considering how insignificant 1.15b was.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that they should release small amounts of content as they fix the foundation. Let's face it, this is an MMO and MMOs' foundations are constantly changing. They could spend years perfecting the foundation. I think we would agree that that is too long to go without content.


I'm pretty sure we are under the assumption (presumption, rather) that they are turning out smaller fixes while simultaneously working on bigger things. Although, we have been fooled before.


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At this, I had to smile.
Yes. Besides, it took them 5 months to implement a rudimentary search function into the retainer dungeons.


Eh... 3 months?

I don't know why they even have these small-sized patches. Once a month would work just as well and that's what they're most likely doing too. Oh well.
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By sure they are working on bigger things in the background.
I just doubt those will see the light of day until PS3 launch.
That would be, simply said, stupid.

They need a booming, buzzing, surprising, energetic relaunch
that forces the media to re-evaluate the whole game.

Anything they hand out now (besides stuff that needs testing)
basically is ammunition they lose for the final battle on
relaunch-day.

Dramatic words, but you get my point I guess.

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I don't know why they even have these small-sized patches. Once a month would work just as well and that's what they're most likely doing too.


No doubt.
They make a few fixes. Then, however insignificant those fixes may seem,
they split them in two roughly equal halves, and release the one as ".a",
and two weeks later the other as ".b". Two patches. Exactly as promised. ^.^/

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 9:09am by Rinsui
#20 Feb 23 2011 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
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ive seen 3 maintenances in february, 2 of them had new stuff, third one was a lodestone maint mainly + some bugs. Seems they werrent able to come with content, but they held their promise and came with at least 2 updates. You must be online once in a while to get the info though :P
#21 Feb 23 2011 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Based on the way that the patches are broken apart, they have two teams working towards a month release each, each offset a 1/2 a month from the other team.

Based on Yoshi's last letter, the Quest engine and updates that go with it were a lot larger in scope then they expected, and they had to rescale the project. As a result, the initial updates didn't make it, causing the last patch to be much smaller than expected.

According to him, the next patch should have a small subset of quests, with a few quests being introduced over time, rather than a large quest roll-out.

So far he has kept to his word, and other than being overly polite and reserved, has let us know in fairly clear detail where they stand development-wise.

With that said, the implication (without any commitment) is that the next patch will actually have the portion missed in this patch, and it's normal updates as well.

Either way, we will have to wait (or not wait depending on personal preference) a week or two to know for sure.
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You guys remember that photo of the FFXIV team that Yoshi posted in his first letter to us? The one that looked like they were hanging out in Vegas. If you count the people in the photo...including the dude with the white mask...it was somewhere around 30. Yoshi said that was about 1/4 of the total FFXIV team.

120 people working on FFXIV.

Point is...you would think we would have seen a little bit more progress than what we have seen. Unless...the changes being made are A LOT bigger than what we are expecting. There is a reason Yoshi's list has very little details beside topic titles. There's a reason for the polls.

They are not going to rush this. The gameplay concerns of the current active player is probably not what they are concentrating on. They are re-writing the script...without a true deadline, so they can announce the PS3 release and start the "buzz" all over again. The headlines will be about the "Rebirth" of FFXIV..COME SEE IT.

Its not going to read something like "look at adjustments and tweaks we made to the system...and the addition of quests and NMs." That won't sell and will not be reviewed.

February update? Pipe dream. When he said February...he may have meant Feb 2012.

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#23 Feb 23 2011 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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I think half of the problem stems from S-E's continuously nebulous wording. Delivering quest content "sometime after the beginning of February" made it sound like it would be here in the first February patch, and when it wasn't, everyone assumed it would be in the next patch. Which, of course, it wasn't.
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superdupernuker wrote:
I think half of the problem stems from S-E's continuously nebulous wording. Delivering quest content "sometime after the beginning of February" made it sound like it would be here in the first February patch, and when it wasn't, everyone assumed it would be in the next patch. Which, of course, it wasn't.


I think people to expect (and reasonably so) that time estimates will be fairly accurate. If you say after the beginning of February, it should be delivered before mid February. If its delayed, just say its delayed. Don't try and pawn off adjustments to numbers as patches. I'd have felt much better with them saying "hey quests arent ready yet, they'll be another month" than having them say, " we said 2 patches, and you got 2, so there"
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I'd have felt much better with them saying "hey quests arent ready yet, they'll be another month" than having them say, " we said 2 patches, and you got 2, so there


He said "quests will start to be implemented in the next update". He informed us it's going to take longer than they estimated.

You people better get used to it or just go back to the old ways of them talking only when its sure they can deliver. You are not going to have the cake and eat it too.
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I think people to expect (and reasonably so) that time estimates will be fairly accurate. If you say after the beginning of February, it should be delivered before mid February. If its delayed, just say its delayed. Don't try and pawn off adjustments to numbers as patches. I'd have felt much better with them saying "hey quests arent ready yet, they'll be another month" than having them say, " we said 2 patches, and you got 2, so there"


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He said "quests will start to be implemented in the next update". He informed us it's going to take longer than they estimated.

You people better get used to it or just go back to the old ways of them talking only when its sure they can deliver. You are not going to have the cake and eat it too.


And do we have to trust him this time? Or is it gonna be delayed again? And then ppl will still say "we misunderstood" or will they admit we have a communication problem? Right now the biggest SE issue is they lost their customer's trust, I guess that's the only reason they didn't close the servers while taking the game to a better stage: they won't be making any marketing campaign before the PS3 release, so WE are their media, if the game will ever change WE'll be spreading the word through forums and fansites, not them, they know it and that's the reason why we're still playing.

This is not the way to regain our trust, SE have already lost a lot of points at this matter, they can't just give us vague words and then pretend it never happened and not because "we deserve it" but because they can't afford to lose again our trust.

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Im gonna call it.

Friday 25th February - Loadstone post to hype patch 1.16a.

Monday 28th February - Implementation of patch 1.16a plus extensive patch notes.

Thursday 3rd March - Letter from the Producer with official results of Player's Poll.

Friday 25th March (Old PS3 release date) - Loadstone post to hype major content patch.

Monday 28th March - Implementation of patch that will include content that was supposed to be ready for PS3 launch.
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I'd have felt much better with them saying "hey quests arent ready yet, they'll be another month" than having them say, " we said 2 patches, and you got 2, so there


He said "quests will start to be implemented in the next update". He informed us it's going to take longer than they estimated.

You people better get used to it or just go back to the old ways of them talking only when its sure they can deliver. You are not going to have the cake and eat it too.


he hasnt even said that yet
what he said is the tool is now in place to start implementing them

also, he originaly stated quests will start getting added "after early feb", this can be translated many ways, but in truth, it purely says, anytime after the start of feb, which we are now in, so early march is still "after early feb"

people need to stop taking things so literal, this is seen to often, i like how one guy was quoting the "early 2011 update" as the "1st update of 2011"


we all want our quests, we all know they are coming, i think we need some patience, we have had it so far, whats another week or 2 gonna hurt us.....

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 8:03am by Vedis
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Well technically SE hasn't promised us anything. They were "aiming for" two updates each month. Which is SE in a nutshell really. They give us info, without really giving us any info. Nothing is definite, just like the "quests sometime after the beginning of February" comment.
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Vedis wrote:
i like how one guy was quoting the "early 2011 update" as the "1st update of 2011"


That was me and since that line was written in a plan of all the future updates and the previous update planned was the middle december one i guess it was reasonable to think it that way; everyone i know in game thought it was the first 2011 update.

Again, I'm not dumb, I know what i've read.
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Vedis wrote:
also, he originaly stated quests will start getting added "after early feb", this can be translated many ways, but in truth, it purely says, anytime after the start of feb, which we are now in, so early march is still "after early feb"

people need to stop taking things so literal, this is seen to often, i like how one guy was quoting the "early 2011 update" as the "1st update of 2011"


we all want our quests, we all know they are coming, i think we need some patience, we have had it so far, whats another week or 2 gonna hurt us.....


The point is SE's communication leaves a lot to be desired. Saying "After the 1st of February" and meaning "Sometime before summer 2011" is a very deceitful way of communication a timeline. If they know they won't get quests out until March, why not just say it? If they don't even know when they'll be ready, don't give a timeline at all. It is not at all unreasonable to take "after early February" to mean the first two weeks of February. If they meant late February then they would have said "Late February". If they needed a bigger window, saying "sometime in the spring" would be more appropriate.

As it has been mentioned, SE needs to work on getting our trust back. Playing word games with update timelines, intentionally or not, is not a good way to do that.
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I think it may have been a mistranslation. With my limited Japanese knowledge, Google translate, and other sources, I think I've translated what he said in Japanese. Now anyone who is very proficient in Japanese or is a native speaker, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Here's the sentence I translated from the official SE translation;
we will be bringing quests and miniquests to Eorzea sometime after the beginning of February.

Yoshi P's original text;
まずは「クエスト/ミニクエスト」の実装を2月以降順次行います
Mazuwa "kuesuto/ minikuesuto" no jissou wo 2-tsuki ikou junji okonaimasu

The first word "Mazuwa" can be translated as First or First of.
"kuesuto/minikuesuto no jissou" is translated as implementation of quests/miniquests.
"wo" just signifies a direct object.
"2-tsuki" is February
"ikou" is after
"junji" is (and I'm loosely translating this) series
"okonaimasu" is a verb signifing an action so in this it could be loosely translated as will do.

So put that together so it makes a somewhat amount of sense in English and you get "First, we will implement a series of quests/miniquests after February."

There you have it, I think it was a mistranslation by the localization team, but once again please correct me if I'm wrong.



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alcide wrote:
Vedis wrote:
i like how one guy was quoting the "early 2011 update" as the "1st update of 2011"


That was me and since that line was written in a plan of all the future updates and the previous update planned was the middle december one i guess it was reasonable to think it that way; everyone i know in game thought it was the first 2011 update.

Again, I'm not dumb, I know what i've read.


no your not dumb, but this is how alot of people think

say they will get something "early 2011" that means january 1st, or the first update
say they will get something in march, it better happen march first

people dont read what is written, they read what they want to read
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To be fair, they were probably aiming for an early to mid-February content-update, but it seems like things took longer than expected and they delayed it. This, to me, would be fine of only they actually informed us about it.
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he hasnt even said that yet
what he said is the tool is now in place to start implementing them


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We are also in the process of putting together a new workflow to handle the development of new quests and sidequests. Though we will begin releasing these in the next patch, it will be difficult to release a large number of them at once.


Sure, he has.

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I'm still relying on my interpretation of Yoshi-P's wording in the most recent letter, third paragraph:

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Patch 1.15a went live with all of the intended content (resulting in a bit of behest-induced fever on some forums, hehe), and the dev team is now on the next step in improving the game.


That is to say, in Yoshida's mind, Patch A was what he considered to be "The content patch" and Patch B is what he considered to be the "Improving the game" patch.

I said 6 days ago that I'd know if I was wrong in 11 days. Now I'll know if I'm wrong in 5 days. I'm pretty sure that, despite the fact that I don't like the way I interpreted it (I didn't consider either patch to have any content whatsoever; A was lots of fixes and B was minor fixes), we won't be seeing any more patches in February. We got our two for the month.

Again, I'd be thrilled to be wrong on this one.
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I guess Yoshida has no idea what content is(to us anyway).
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm still relying on my interpretation of Yoshi-P's wording in the most recent letter, third paragraph:

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Patch 1.15a went live with all of the intended content (resulting in a bit of behest-induced fever on some forums, hehe), and the dev team is now on the next step in improving the game.


That is to say, in Yoshida's mind, Patch A was what he considered to be "The content patch" and Patch B is what he considered to be the "Improving the game" patch.


To me this is just a grammar quibble: if you're talking about "patch content" you mean "what's in the patch", if you're talking "game content" you're on a totally different situation.

SP/EXP changes, text changes and market ward's changes are the content of patch 1.15a, but arn't game contents.

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Some of you really need to pick up an offline game and distract yourselves for the next 2-3 months, because this game isn't going to meet anywhere near your expectations of what it should be until maybe the PS3 release.

They likely held back releasing the quests from Feb's last update because it just wasn't enough to hold over the playerbase clamoring for content. You'd probably finish it in like what, a week? Then what? They are obviously resolved not to rush anything else out the door until its both ready while also having enough staying power to keep us in play at least until the next patch. As mentioned, the Polls are buying them time a week or so at a time where they don't have anything promising to post on Lodestone.

Like it or not, development is steadying their pace for ps3's release to ensure quality of content, and by that time, there will be quantity and variety. Unfortunately, PC users will have to endure the bumpy ride, but it's our choice.

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They likely held back releasing the quests from Feb's last update because it just wasn't enough to hold over the playerbase clamoring for content. You'd probably finish it in like what, a week? Then what? They are obviously resolved not to rush anything else out the door until its both ready while also having enough staying power to keep us in play at least until the next patch. As mentioned, the Polls are buying them time a week or so at a time where they don't have anything promising to post on Lodestone.


This makes no sense. You're saying that simply because players are upset about the lack of content, SE is further delaying the release of new content? Because that will somehow make players happy?

Also, polls are not content. They have plenty of information about what we players want, they don't need to keep conducting polls.

I agree that they should not rush content. However, I find it hard to believe that there's zero content ready right now. I personally feel they should release content as it is completed instead of holding on to it in order to release a giant update. Not only do you risk losing more and more players during the down time, but large updates are always more risky in terms of game balance and stability.
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No, I'm simply saying players will not be satisfied with a few additional quests per city that can be completed in a few hours of gameplay for their first "content patch."

We don't know for sure, but it doesn't seem SE had anything else ready to deploy out substantial enough to hold the attention of its player until another patch, else they would have dropped it. The first content patch you'd expect to see should include a new battle system with the addition of quests, that could make people excited and keep them playing. A couple quests to appease the desperate won't do that, at least it wouldn't for me.

Re: polls - of course it isn't content, but they still have the masses in play by building anticipation waiting for their next beloved "letter," and that's all SE hopes for at this point because the content simply isn't ready yet.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 11:59am by OGBalbanes
#42 Feb 23 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'll take the slow inlfux of content and things to do until PS3 release. I have fun playing and I don't feel tied down to the game. Which is good considering having a busy life these days. I'll take every three months increments if these are tidbits to keep the PC community appeased while larger systems are polished and SE has a larger team working in the background to polish the PS3 release.

Im enjoying just getting ready for the PS3 players and the population influx. I want to be one of those players newbies look up to and I can help out, that's exciting.

For now I am expecting from SE for PC players bread crumbs of content like that last nm update. I am fine with this for now but once PS3 does make its way to us I do expect what would be considered an expansion pack worth of content to the base game.


As well I think Se should release the company stuff now and some of its content for us to test and try out. As wel as the hamlet defense thing. these two things should make their way to us for now and some new nm's. Plus 50-100 npc quests to tide us over till the PS3 release.
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#44 Feb 23 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree that they should not rush content. However, I find it hard to believe that there's zero content ready right now. I personally feel they should release content as it is completed instead of holding on to it in order to release a giant update.


How far do you want to go with this idea? Every time they finish designing and testing one quest, the game should go down and they should implement it? That doesn't sound really efficient.

Right now they are doing it on a monthly basis. They'll implement everything they have finished in a month's time simultaneously in one patch, while smaller design tweaks are saved for the system-oriented patch in the middle of the month. That sounds more efficient to me. I mean, they need to prepare these updates as well, and the more work they need to do that, the slower their development will be. If they had to prepare every single quest and adjustment separately, the development would slow to a crawl.

While one update every three months give them much more leeway and saves them time from having to prepare many patches, once a month should be alright still without slowing them down much if at all. But if they had to prepare them more frequently than that, I think it would start taking it's toll on the development side of things.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 8:20pm by Hyanmen
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#45 Feb 23 2011 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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So put that together so it makes a somewhat amount of sense in English and you get "First, we will implement a series of quests/miniquests after February."


Terrasonic is... well... half correct. The literal translation is indeed "after February"; however,
we do not use this "after" as exclusively as (I presume) it is used in English. It may also be used
in the sense of "beginning in february and thereafter". So technically, the wording he used was clever.

^.^/

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 12:30pm by Rinsui
#46 Feb 23 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm still relying on my interpretation of Yoshi-P's wording in the most recent letter, third paragraph:

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Patch 1.15a went live with all of the intended content (resulting in a bit of behest-induced fever on some forums, hehe), and the dev team is now on the next step in improving the game.


That is to say, in Yoshida's mind, Patch A was what he considered to be "The content patch" and Patch B is what he considered to be the "Improving the game" patch.

I said 6 days ago that I'd know if I was wrong in 11 days. Now I'll know if I'm wrong in 5 days. I'm pretty sure that, despite the fact that I don't like the way I interpreted it (I didn't consider either patch to have any content whatsoever; A was lots of fixes and B was minor fixes), we won't be seeing any more patches in February. We got our two for the month.

Again, I'd be thrilled to be wrong on this one.


I think you are 100% correct and I fully share the sentiment.
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#48 Feb 23 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Rinsui wrote:
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So put that together so it makes a somewhat amount of sense in English and you get "First, we will implement a series of quests/miniquests after February."


Terrasonic is... well... half correct. The literal translation is indeed "after February"; however,
we do not use this "after" as exclusively as (I presume) it is used in English. It may also be used
in the sense of "beginning in february and thereafter". So technically, the wording he used was clever.

^.^/

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 12:30pm by Rinsui


Well shucks, I was close. Thanks!

The English localization team should have added "more or less" after February, then it wouldn't have caused so much confusion and would have kept the sentence meaning closer to the Japanese one.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 1:45pm by TerraSonicX
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#49 Feb 23 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Right now they are doing it on a monthly basis. They'll implement everything they have finished in a month's time simultaneously in one patch, while smaller design tweaks are saved for the system-oriented patch in the middle of the month. That sounds more efficient to me. I mean, they need to prepare these updates as well, and the more work they need to do that, the slower their development will be. If they had to prepare every single quest and adjustment separately, the development would slow to a crawl.


This.

As someone who is a content manager and oversees the production of numerous projects at once, my ability to roll out projects slows to a crawl when I'm being micro-managed by my higher-ups and forced to immerse myself in tons of busy work. The more time you allow yourself and your team for actual "work," the faster said work gets finished. To us, that means we'll get more quests if we're willing to wait slightly longer between quest implementation. That may not be what some people want to hear, but it's undeniably true.
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#50 Feb 23 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyanmen wrote:


They led us to believe that we would get quests earlier than in March, but there has been no promises made that quests would come in February. So, we will wait a week longer at the very least.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 3:37pm by Hyanmen


Ok a lot of people are saying this. I'm not sure if you just enjoy defending SE or enjoy vague statements but if I were SE and I was going to release a content patch in march, I would have said something along the lines of
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In line with the above results, we will be bringing quests and miniquests to Eorzea sometime after the beginning of February MARCH.


SEE WHAT I DID RIGHT THAR?!

June is also after the beginning of February but you wouldn't use "sometime after the beginning of February" to infer that to someone now would you?

Please stop defending SE's lack of communication. If we're not going to get quests until March, we should be informed whether it was do to a bad choice of wording or a hiccup in the development of said content. Get real.
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#51 Feb 23 2011 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Ok a lot of people are saying this. I'm not sure if you just enjoy defending SE or enjoy vague statements but if I were SE and I was going to release a content patch in march, I would have said something along the lines of


Yes, I am the defender of Yoshida as most people here can agree with. (lol)

Simply said, they assumed they could release the quests before March. They assumed wrong. That's what often happens when trying to predict the future. Yes, they could have worded that bit better (or left it out entirely) but hindsight is 20/20.

Also, we were informed that the quests would come in the next update. We don't need to be informed why exactly that is, as it makes absolutely no difference. Assuming that things did not work out as planned should be good enough and probably true as well. It's not like they lied to us and need to right their wrongdoings.

Let's get real. People can and will ***** about communication no matter how much SE or any company tries to communicate. Blizzard gets hate comments every day about their lack of communication on every single thing. It will never stop. The line needs to be drawn somewhere and accept the fact that people are going to ***** no matter how well you do.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 9:44pm by Hyanmen
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