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#1 Feb 23 2011 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just what the title says. Would you prefer a huge sweeping update or the more consistent method of small ones every few weeks?

I would prefer the continuous string of small patches...in theory. This would keep people engaged in the game and its progress on a more regular basis and provide opportunities to get players feedback on specific things...if there were enough people interested and positive about XIVs status. Which I don't believe there are atm.

I just got back from reading the letters from the producer once again and it has become quite obvious how much content they are withholding(a lot). If you aren't sure what I mean by that, go read the first letter from "Yoshi-P". I understand his logic behind wanting to lay foundation and wanting to be consistent in the improvement of the game. As well as laying a foundation so people can enjoy the content that is released rather than be stunted by the games mechanics. But a couple quests every few weeks isn't gonna keep current players entertained for very long, and more importantly, it won't bring in/back any new/inactive players.

I'm don't expect them to release everything that they have, that would be marketing suicide for obvious multiple reasons. However, I think they do need to release enough content as a show of good faith for people to able to believe in the game and want to play. They have taken the steps necessary to start earing our trust, but still don't have it(or at least mine).

So IMO, continuing to give us piecemeals of information and content will do little except frustrate people. Again I don't expect miracles, just common sense. This is NOT AN ATTEMPT TO TROLL OR ARGUE. I am looking for opinions on what the community would prefer in this matter.
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#2 Feb 23 2011 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think we need to go back and re examine what yoshi meant by the 4 line poem . . .


It holds the secret to what i think SE is doing. At this point and my understanding behind the way updates are being done. Is that the fundamentals of the game will be tuned and then the larger content will be unveiled to us. I am excited to see exactly what could be. I believe we will be bread crumbed with content until PS3 release which might actually be closer than we think.

And in the meantime we will see small and medium size updates oriented to the battle system and UI and other key parts of the game. That's my understanding and current sentiment for the near future for those of us who dwell in eorzea.
#3 Feb 23 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Like I said, I understand what they want to do, and what they're trying to do, and even why they want to do it. But that is an ideal situation, and we all know what is going on right now is not ideal, for us or SE. I'm viewing this purely from a business standpoint, and I'm not trying to criticize such a successful company. Their initial plan is well thought out, but I'm not sure it is the best plan of action at this point in time due to recent events. If they can make it to their next benchmark in the timeline successfully, whatever that may be, more power too them. It just seems to me that they're putting their intended plans ahead of the players requests while trying to make it seem otherwise with polls and letters and whatnot. This normally wouldn't be a problem and I wouldn't take issue with it. But they have lost the faith of players all over the world because of how the game crashed and burned off the get go, and I think they need a better form of damage control until they make their next real move.
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#4 Feb 23 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Nothing they do will be good enough. If you're fine with the way things are going, someone else is going to take your place and make this thread instead.

They had their once-per-three-months update schedule and people criticized them for it. Now they have their monthly update schedule and people criticize them for it. Whatever they decide to do, someone will take your place.
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#5 Feb 23 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I believe we will be bread crumbed with content until PS3 release which might actually be closer than we think.


This is exactly what I think is happening. A trickle of bi-weekly patches until this terd is polished enough for PS3 players to buy the disc. Major game patch with sweeping game changes will coincide with PS3 release followed shortly thereafter by monthly fees.

Let's just hope that this current "trail of breadcrumbs" doesn't lead players to another MMO.....
#6 Feb 23 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Atryx

I think we need to go back and re examine what yoshi meant by the 4 line poem . . .


It holds the secret to what i think SE is doing. At this point and my understanding behind the way updates are being done. Is that the fundamentals of the game will be tuned and then the larger content will be unveiled to us. I am excited to see exactly what could be. I believe we will be bread crumbed with content until PS3 release which might actually be closer than we think.

And in the meantime we will see small and medium size updates oriented to the battle system and UI and other key parts of the game. That's my understanding and current sentiment for the near future for those of us who dwell in eorzea.


Rate up. That is a very excellent point of view that I've failed to consider. The poem I thought pertained to maybe story updates or the like. We all know it meant something big but you've presented an alternate idea that makes a lot of sense, and could in fact be the reason for the poem itself.
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#7 Feb 23 2011 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyanmen wrote:
Nothing they do will be good enough. If you're fine with the way things are going, someone else is going to take your place and make this thread instead.

They had their once-per-three-months update schedule and people criticized them for it. Now they have their monthly update schedule and people criticize them for it. Whatever they decide to do, someone will take your place.
I think smaller/faster patches is still the way to go, but it would've been much more useful to start doing that immediately, not 5 months after release. Either way, they don't have enough people working on producing these patches. Fast and smaller or slow and bigger (in b4 *** jokes), neither are sufficient to really turn this problem around in a significant manner.

But that's what taking risks is all about for a business. Do you keep trying to work with what you have to salvage the situation or do you invest more money in addressing the problem? Hard to say if that investment would pay off or not, but no matter what I don't think it would break the company. They have a lot going for them outside of FF, but a failure in their signature series among one of their numbered titles is still significantly damaging.

Based on SE's track record of advertising their MMOs, even if the game did make a real recovery, I have my doubts about SE attracting people back.
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#8 Feb 23 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Default
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Hyanmen wrote:
Nothing they do will be good enough. If you're fine with the way things are going, someone else is going to take your place and make this thread instead.

They had their once-per-three-months update schedule and people criticized them for it. Now they have their monthly update schedule and people criticize them for it. Whatever they decide to do, someone will take your place.



wow your posts latley have been right in the money. I feel the same way. I love this game im rank 50 and have other jobs on rank 30ish and i will keep on playing but im starting to believe this game still has a HUGE uphill battle. and Its because of people like the OP. Whatever SE has done, or will do will never be good enough...

SE has changed the whole dev team sent out 2 surveys and completely changed the way they convey imformation not to metion plenty of updates done and plenty more to come plus the game has been free since launch! and still people can not see any type of change or light at the end of the tunnel. I for one see it and hope people like the OP wont kill the game before it gets started... or REstarted i should say.
#9 Feb 23 2011 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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dnored wrote:
I for one see it and hope people like the OP wont kill the game before it gets started... or REstarted i should say.


My apologies, I clearly missed the part where he sounded like he wanted to kill the game. All he did was lay out key points that rationalized his belief on what is going wrong and what he wants improved, and he has a good point about people being frustrated by the tiny bits of content released that supposedly will keep us happy.

If there's any kind of person who will kill the game, its the kind of person who will eat anything Square will spare them and pretend it's Ambrosia. Sounding familiar?

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 3:49pm by Kitprower
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#10 Feb 23 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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The last "patch" didn't even get close to being a little one.
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#11 Feb 23 2011 at 3:30 PM Rating: Default
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Kitprower wrote:
dnored wrote:
I for one see it and hope people like the OP wont kill the game before it gets started... or REstarted i should say.


My apologies, I clearly missed the part where he sounded like he wanted to kill the game. All he did was lay out key points that rationalized his belief on what is going wrong and what he wants improved, and he has a good point about people being frustrated by the tiny bits of content released that supposedly will keep us happy.

If there's any kind of person who will kill the game, its the kind of person who will eat anything Square will spare them and pretend it's Ambrosia. Sounding familiar?

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 3:49pm by Kitprower


Dont be sorry theres no need to be. We disagree on things and thats fine.
Now let me answer your points

He layed out points on stuff that need to be improved and i layed out points that they have ALREADY improved. Not only has lots of things been improved they have a list for almost everything that he wants improved already coming. He does have a good point and so do i.YOU complained about 1 big update every 3 months and SE gives you smaller updates more often and YOU still complain. Its time to stop and say "hey they are doing what we as a whole asked them to do". Yes the smaller updates will have a lot less content/fixes in them because its a "smaller" update.

Your last line was trollish but ill speak about it anyway.
No where in my post do i say everything was fixed and everything was perfect. I said after all the things i metioned above was fixed im starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. You must understand that if you keep complaining about things that they (SE) knows about and already have plans to fix/change then you are not helping.. thus this thread is kinda moot just like your post.

My whole point is Everyone (even myself) thought the 3 month update was way to slow to fix the game. So you get smaller updates but faster. (this is what we all wanted) But you still complain? its getting really silly. So threads like this will kill the game before it gets REstarted becuase SE will see you guys are never happy and should mab scrap the project.
#12 Feb 23 2011 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's tough for them. Release a huge patch and maybe alter the game considerably, which might turn a lot of people away....or, make small changes, which won't be as noticable, but will improve the game, though will take longer.....maybe losing a lot of people that were giving it one last chance.

Personally, I am ok with small changes. I'm levelling all jobs, so got plenty to do.....****, so much I haven't got time to do it all. I craft 'til I get bored, then go kill stuff for a while.

As stated above.....whichever way they go, some people will be happy, some won't.

As long as the game keeps improving......we all win.
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#13 Feb 23 2011 at 4:38 PM Rating: Good
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Let's be realistic here. This game is now 5 months old and the only content that has been added since it came out and bombed are 5 Rank 50 NMs, a couple leves you can do once every month or two, and 2 or 3 new mob types that you never see. We're nearing the half of a freaking year mark and there is nothing to show for it as it stands now.

Not good.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 5:38pm by Axel
#14 Feb 23 2011 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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whether they do one change or fifty changes in A patch its still a patch.

Also on another note if they add something to the game, not tweak it but add it, that is also considered content. Lets say for example the Market Wards search function, Ya that's content. Content isn't just Quest/story line but new features that didn't exist before. I know that this may be in the wrong thread but it had to be said.
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flavvor wrote:
whether they do one change or fifty changes in A patch its still a patch.

Also on another note if they add something to the game, not tweak it but add it, that is also considered content. Lets say for example the Market Wards search function, Ya that's content. Content isn't just Quest/story line but new features that didn't exist before. I know that this may be in the wrong thread but it had to be said.


i think the we established the meaning of content by our standards is pertaining to quest/missions. search function for market wards is a feature added.

i would like to see a nice big juicy patch here soon. i dont play the game much anymore, but keep up on zam for any news.
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#16 Feb 23 2011 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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I prefer (and wanted to hold them to their word) smaller, monthly updates.

However, let's be clear.

I meant content - not nerfs to XP or party size limits (on a system that allows 15).

I realize this is meant to set up for something bigger, but couldn't it have also waited for something bigger? I don't want updates for the sake of updates. That's not what I asked for. We could update 2x a week with 1 recipe per update, but no one wants that.

We want updates to be meaningful. They don't need to add 100 new things. 1.15a was a perfectly acceptable patch (to me) and I hoped 1.15b would be the same size/meaning as 1.15a but with content instead of 2 simple (and meaningless) tweaks that simply set up for something else.

I dunno. Maybe I'm not being clear. I like my patches to mean something or add something. I don't like patches to take things away so they can add things later. Just take things away WHEN you actually add something new (unless it's actually breaking the game balance to allow it to continue - in which case it's not a patch, but a maintenance).
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#17 Feb 23 2011 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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I'm all for little updates. but give me something, give me something to do, improve my gameplay experience. Straighting out SP means less total hours of grinding, and thats awesome. But I don't like my options for grinding. Levequests are dull, killing dudes for hours is dull, behests are just killing dudes in a large team. Tweaking numbers is a great thing, because there were a ton of problems with their original numbers. Improving the market is awesome, I can find stuff to wear easier, but I can't find a single thing worth doing while equiping it. Seriously DCU online released more content after 1 month than this game has put out in 5.
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#18 Feb 23 2011 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Since when is having a contradicting idea an argument? I suppose ever since people forgot that it can only be applied as an argument if one side or the other(or both usually) wants to come out on top and viewed as the better. I never said my ideas were better, I only stated the differences in my thoughts processes and asked for some community input. And have been pleased with many of the responses, thank you.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 7:01pm by AtryxEtair
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