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#1 Feb 23 2011 at 11:07 PM Rating: Good
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7 hours later, and still on the XIV ZAM main page is what amounts to an ad for Rifts. And the forums remain silent.

The silence speaks volumes.

Admittedly, I lurk. And I'm good at it. I lurked here during XI, and for months during XIV. But, honestly, this is a kick in a tender place. Well-placed, might I add.

Perhaps I am a bit ****** off. It might have something to do with the fact that we the players voted overwhelmingly "Content" in the first players poll. Or that, since that day, we have received nothing for content. Or perhaps it's the fact that, though we have gotten nothing along the lines of additional things to do in XIV, Yoshi tends to throw out the word "Content" every third sentence in his "Letters from the Producer", while still focusing entirely on the UI (Thus far. Apparently future patches will tell the tale) which if one reads between the lines on his first letter was -his- major beef with the game...

...Perhaps it's the fact that Yoshi's idea of UI fixes don't match up with mine. I.E., a way to find a bloody party without having to donate my firstborn on the appropriate day when the stars align...

...No. No, that all ****** me off....but it's not that.

It's the fact that I couldn't answer "Nuking the **** out of everything still moving" as to how I prefer to spend my time playing XIV.

I don't want to be a cure-bot. I don't want to buff/debuff/scratch-***. I want to kill it with fire. And lightning.

But now I have to read about Rifts on the ZAM welcome page? WTF?

...wait...do they have blm love over yonder?

(Apologies if this offends. Tequila is bad. And no doubt I'll regret this in the morning. But that's how it goes.)

Edit: Tequila. See above. >.<

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#2 Feb 23 2011 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so what is your beef with some rift add ?
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When it's in the list of articles pertaining to FF XIV?

Oh, I dunno, the fact that I can't light it on fire, perhaps?

A place for everything, and everything in it's place. Or at least, that's what my woman keeps telling me. The bish. :(
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Maybe they paid good money for the ad ? was there not an add for cataclysm before it came out too ?
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ZAM is a place for all MMOs. Stop being so MMO-patriotic.
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Perhaps they did. And if it was an ad, not an article, I would have no problems with the ZAM team paying the bills.

And yet, here we sit with an article for Rifts right above the "Last Day for Players Poll" article.

And I still can't kill it with fire.

Is it just me, or does it seem like I'm repeating myself?

Edit: And, you're right Wolfums. I guess the ffxiv before the .zam.com mislead me. My most abject and insincere apologies.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 12:23am by Wintersage
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#7 Feb 23 2011 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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Don't worry OP. . .

We all have those 10 at 2 ; 2 @ 10 posts. . . Your typing was pretty good considering Smiley: wink

edit : /em walks to the fridge and grabs a cold one

Cheers Holmes!!!

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#8 Feb 24 2011 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Rift? Im staring at a CO ad
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I admit I glanced over this thread and OP without reading fully and had a few comments about it:

1. I thought this is zam. They have many MMO's represented here and it is not all about ffxiv. The OP should know that.

2. I thought "well just buy premium and you won't have to deal with ads anymore."

Then I realized that this was pertaining to a rift tutorial on the main page of the zam XIV site. (I realize this was all in the thread, but like I said I just glanced over it.) I have to say I'm not a fan of doing this. Certainly not enough to make a thread about it, but lets keep other game aticles and tutorials to their respective sites.

Maybe it was just a mistake that it got placed on the xiv front page?
edit: Nope not a mistake... its on the XI front page as well. Smiley: disappointed


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#10 Feb 24 2011 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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Agreed. While the full page Rift ad on the homepage that effectively replaces the FFXIV background skin is slightly irritating, I don't really see any need to put the Rift related article up there as well. If I wanted to look at Rift related material I would go to a Rift specific board or website.
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Agreed. While the full page Rift ad on the homepage that effectively replaces the FFXIV background skin is slightly irritating, I don't really see any need to put the Rift related article up there as well. If I wanted to look at Rift related material I would go to a Rift specific board or website.


I agree. . . Is it possible for someone at ZAM to explain why this is?
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It's on all game main pages. Don't take it so personally, it's Zam trying to advertise their coverage of another MMO, and well within their right.

Plus, it's not like there's a ton of FFXIV news right now that it's replacing.
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#14 Feb 24 2011 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
THis does actually offend me in a small way. Everything I am used to seeing on the FFXIV home page is about FFXIV all of a sudden there is this Rift Tools thing. wtf?! lol

I know rift is a game, that's it. i dont care about rift tools. post something on the ffxiv homepage that has to do with ffxiv, like pictures of chocobos and airships, at least then ill have something to drool over...


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#15 Feb 24 2011 at 1:30 AM Rating: Default
OK WHY IS THERE A RIFT ARTICLE ON FFXIV???
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If i wanted to see wow news,i would go to zamwow.
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Why can't it be a TERA ad? I think if that happens I won't be reading the corresponding post because I'll actually be playing that... Not giving up on FFXIV but **** that game is fun! RIFT looks boring. Yawn.
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Yea I noticed the RIFT article too and thought it was out of place but what do I care I wont be playing RIFT anyway.
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Wintersage wrote:
...we the players voted overwhelmingly "Content" in the first players poll. [...] since that day, we have received nothing for content. [...] we have gotten nothing along the lines of additional things to do in XIV, Yoshi tends to throw out the word "Content" every third sentence in his "Letters from the Producer", while still focusing entirely on the UI

Content takes a long time to develop. A long, long time. Seriously, it takes months and months to develop content. It's not something they can just churn out over a weekend and then slap it into the game the following Monday. You have to have patience. Just because you voted for content in a poll LAST MONTH, that doesn't mean you're going to see a brand new, completed expansion pack by next week. Content takes time to make.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 6:16am by Rhianu
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Rhianu wrote:
Wintersage wrote:
...we the players voted overwhelmingly "Content" in the first players poll. [...] since that day, we have received nothing for content. [...] we have gotten nothing along the lines of additional things to do in XIV, Yoshi tends to throw out the word "Content" every third sentence in his "Letters from the Producer", while still focusing entirely on the UI

Content takes a long time to develop. A long, long time. Seriously, it takes months and months to develop content. It's not something they can just churn out over a weekend and then slap it into the game the following Monday. You have to have patience. Just because you voted for content in a poll LAST MONTH, that doesn't mean you're going to see a brand new, completed expansion pack by next week. Content takes time to make.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 6:16am by Rhianu
To an extent, you're right. But SE should have had content in the works when they launched.

If they didn't, we could be waiting a long time, as you said.
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Rhianu wrote:
Wintersage wrote:
...we the players voted overwhelmingly "Content" in the first players poll. [...] since that day, we have received nothing for content. [...] we have gotten nothing along the lines of additional things to do in XIV, Yoshi tends to throw out the word "Content" every third sentence in his "Letters from the Producer", while still focusing entirely on the UI

Content takes a long time to develop. A long, long time. Seriously, it takes months and months to develop content. It's not something they can just churn out over a weekend and then slap it into the game the following Monday. You have to have patience. Just because you voted for content in a poll LAST MONTH, that doesn't mean you're going to see a brand new, completed expansion pack by next week. Content takes time to make.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 6:16am by Rhianu


Then the question arises again what the **** have they done in all the 5(?) years development? Cuz the game launched with not much content (i wasnt around during launch but it must've been even less than now) They were really thinking good graphics and nobuo music would make it a success? I dont think SquareEnix is that backwards. There must already be alot of content around but i guess they want to set a new framework for the game first since the first framework is proven to be balls.
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This thread started off so unique.. and now its turned into beating the "Content" dead horse...

Sometimes I wonder about you people....
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#23 Feb 24 2011 at 6:34 AM Rating: Decent
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This thread started off so unique.. and now its turned into beating the "Content" dead horse...

Sometimes I wonder about you people....
Despite the fact that the first post contained a rant about the lack of content...?

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 5:34am by Kirby
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I agree with the OP lol, and I actually JUST had the thought as I opened up the site today. I had gotten used to the advertisement of other games in the site's background as games come closer to their release but what is an ARTICLE of another game doing in the FFXIV section of their website? Aaand that extends to me agreeing with his woman now, too, lol.

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MensoMicona wrote:
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Wintersage wrote:
...we the players voted overwhelmingly "Content" in the first players poll. [...] since that day, we have received nothing for content. [...] we have gotten nothing along the lines of additional things to do in XIV, Yoshi tends to throw out the word "Content" every third sentence in his "Letters from the Producer", while still focusing entirely on the UI

Content takes a long time to develop. A long, long time. Seriously, it takes months and months to develop content. It's not something they can just churn out over a weekend and then slap it into the game the following Monday. You have to have patience. Just because you voted for content in a poll LAST MONTH, that doesn't mean you're going to see a brand new, completed expansion pack by next week. Content takes time to make.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 6:16am by Rhianu


Then the question arises again what the **** have they done in all the 5(?) years development?


FFXIV didn't go into physical production until 2007. When you make a game planning and initial designs can take a year or more.
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It looked out of place to me, and I assumed that's what it was. Out of place. Likely someone goofed up when posting the article, and I'm certainly not going to feel threatened and full of zealous patriotism over that. But then, it's not my style to become overly dramatic about anything.
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um ya zam should take that down. This is the XIV side of things keep the content pertaining to the fanbase viewing please.

OP is right that's not right.

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Jesus, have you sour Sallies ever heard of CROSS PROMOTION??? Maybe if FFXIV wasn't on such obvious life support, people wouldn't be taking such umbrage over (Gasp!) a new game launching and the site cross-promoting it!
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Have to agree with a lot here. I'm ok with the rift advertising, but the article shouldn't be there. I'm **** sure the same would be said on any other specific MMO page if they had articles from another game.
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Jesus, have you sour Sallies ever heard of CROSS PROMOTION??? Maybe if FFXIV wasn't on such obvious life support, people wouldn't be taking such umbrage over (Gasp!) a new game launching and the site cross-promoting it!


If I were to care for a WoW clone with overcompensation issues I'd focus on a Rift forum. Pretty sure most people know what cross site promotion is.
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I'm going to be playing Rift today and I find it odd it was in the FFXIV forum, however it seems its in all forums so /nerdrageoff?
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Jesus, have you sour Sallies ever heard of CROSS PROMOTION??? Maybe if FFXIV wasn't on such obvious life support, people wouldn't be taking such umbrage over (Gasp!) a new game launching and the site cross-promoting it!


If I were to care for a WoW clone with overcompensation issues I'd focus on a Rift forum. Pretty sure most people know what cross site promotion is.


Sure, and that's completely reasonable because all advertising knows exactly what you'll respond to, so why have advertising at all?

Advertising is about casting a wide net, the widest possible, in fact. I really do assert that if FFXIV were a successful game, this wouldn't even be on the radar.

I don't know about you, but I'll be playing Rift in 2.5 hours. And really, WoW clone? Did you actually try it? Tut tut, MT.
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I'm going to be playing Rift today and I find it odd it was in the FFXIV forum, however it seems its in all forums so /nerdrageoff?


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http://eve.allakhazam.com/

Its not on those two. Didn't see it on the WoW one as well. Like I said advertising is fine, just keep specific game articles where they belong.
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I don't know about you, but I'll be playing Rift in 2.5 hours. And really, WoW clone? Did you actually try it? Tut tut, MT.


I had a friend try the game. He said he didn't like it because it used a keyboard and it was a wow clone. I asked him how long did you play wow. He said he never played it.

Its kinda like me saying FFXIV has alot of content when I've only gotten a class no higher then 20.
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I don't know about you, but I'll be playing Rift in 2.5 hours. And really, WoW clone? Did you actually try it? Tut tut, MT.


I did actually, since I had a VIP pass. It was absolutely nothing different aside making everything "bigger is better" in a nutshell. Though if I recall people prefer it mentioned as "Using MMORPG Standards" instead of being called a clone. Even the invasion portion wasn't fun enough to really set it apart.
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I hate to keep talking about this(game) but it is what it is.

Did you try an invasion outside the starter zone where you have 498347524549 people in the same rift? if quite different when its nothing but elites and only a handfull of people are around to help.
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I don't know about you, but I'll be playing Rift in 2.5 hours. And really, WoW clone? Did you actually try it? Tut tut, MT.


I did actually, since I had a VIP pass. It was absolutely nothing different aside making everything "bigger is better" in a nutshell. Though if I recall people prefer it mentioned as "Using MMORPG Standards" instead of being called a clone. Even the invasion portion wasn't fun enough to really set it apart.


I stand corrected then. Good of you to actually try it before making an opinion. I can definitely say for me, personally, while not terribly original (save the dynamic nature of the rifts), I really had a lot of fun in the beta events, which is unfortunately far more than I can say for FFXIV to date.
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Im going to say alot of people never got out of the 1-6 area then the 7-20 area of freemark. That whole zone is like the trainning zone. It was alot different 20+. I've read alot of peoples ideas about the game and I can see a bit of "I didn't get far but it sucks" type thing. Its all good. I can't wait to get home and have no life for the next 6 months again lol.
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I first thought I wasn't in the FFXIV.Zam home. I do find it annoying and it does bug me as it's imposed just like the fatigue system is. I'm done with mmo's after ff14, I can care less about rift. On the other hand, if it was Diablo 3.. oh, you! Anyway, I'm never coming back to zam once I'm over with FF14 so what is my voice's worth.

A somewhat similar thing happened to sc2 website with the WoW expansion. A cataclysm add with ''click to continue to sc2'' as well as an unrelated news. Majority were wtf'ed and with reason which surprised me as we were on blizzard/bnet after all.
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So does rift comes online today ?
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The really funny part is this post probably had more impact in making players look into rift than the actual news post in the XIV section.

There is still sadly a lack of good new MMO's around atm, Tera is a long way off release, KoTOR is again a while off etc. So Rift I guess is quite a bit deal atm.
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Rift's UI looks too much like WoW's UI for me to want to give it a try. Even if the gameplay is spectacular and the storyline is movie quality and the thing is the best thing since sliced bread, if they can't be creative enough to come up with a UI that doesn't look like they copied it from another game, I'm unwilling to give it another try. Regardless of how it plays or feels or responds, if I want to play a game that looks like WoW, I'll play WoW. After trying way too many games that look and feel exactly like WoW, I'm not willing to give any more WoW lookalikes a try.

I don't care how many features FFXIV needs to copy from WoW to make it a great game, just so long as it doesn't LOOK like WoW, I think that's totally fine.
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This is the first time I've ever heard of drowning people complain about being thrown a life raft.

ZAM is showing us the way to salvation; the grass REALLY IS greener on the other side.

Look...I'm not going to FLIP OUT man...I just have one question: who's coming with me?

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This is the first time I've ever heard of drowning people complain about being thrown a life raft.

ZAM is showing us the way to salvation; the grass REALLY IS greener on the other side.

Look...I'm not going to FLIP OUT man...I just have one question: who's coming with me?

/pcmd add RIFT

They're complaining because we get bombarded from all sides with people talking about how such and such game is better than FFXIV and now ZAM staff has apparently jumped on that bandwagon too. Some of us do enjoy this game, but apparently that is beyond your ability to comprehend.
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It's not Zam advertizing Rift. It's Zam advertizing Zam (which in this case is Zam's coverage of Rift).

Zam advertizing other aspects of Zam on Zam really shouldn't surprise or offend anyone.
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Rift's UI looks too much like WoW's UI for me to want to give it a try. Even if the gameplay is spectacular and the storyline is movie quality and the thing is the best thing since sliced bread, if they can't be creative enough to come up with a UI that doesn't look like they copied it from another game, I'm unwilling to give it another try. Regardless of how it plays or feels or responds, if I want to play a game that looks like WoW, I'll play WoW. After trying way too many games that look and feel exactly like WoW, I'm not willing to give any more WoW lookalikes a try.

I don't care how many features FFXIV needs to copy from WoW to make it a great game, just so long as it doesn't LOOK like WoW, I think that's totally fine.


I hear this complaint a lot, and I don't really get it. They went with a UI that most of their players were familiar with. Things are where people are familiar with, and its actually pretty well laid out. There's really no reason to shuffle things around just to be different.

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After ZAM changed the layout so the homepage of any game (ffxiv.zam.com) is a universal advertisement, it became quite clear that ZAM exists for ZAM and not the individual games. There's nothing wrong with that of course, it's just a change of direction from how it used to be.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Rift's UI looks too much like WoW's UI for me to want to give it a try. Even if the gameplay is spectacular and the storyline is movie quality and the thing is the best thing since sliced bread, if they can't be creative enough to come up with a UI that doesn't look like they copied it from another game, I'm unwilling to give it another try. Regardless of how it plays or feels or responds, if I want to play a game that looks like WoW, I'll play WoW. After trying way too many games that look and feel exactly like WoW, I'm not willing to give any more WoW lookalikes a try.

I don't care how many features FFXIV needs to copy from WoW to make it a great game, just so long as it doesn't LOOK like WoW, I think that's totally fine.


I hear this complaint a lot, and I don't really get it. They went with a UI that most of their players were familiar with. Things are where people are familiar with, and its actually pretty well laid out. There's really no reason to shuffle things around just to be different.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 1:28pm by KujaKoF


I played FFXI and I liked FFXI's UI layout on FFXI. I played WoW and I liked WoW's UI layout on WoW. I played RO and I liked RO's UI layout on RO. I played FFXIV and I liked FFXIV's UI layout on FFXIV.

Whenever I see a game with a UI that has the same layout as WoW, I can't get myself past "If I'm going to play a game that looks like WoW, why don't I just play WoW?" and then I either end up quitting and going back to WoW or I end up quitting and not going back to anything.

To FFXIV's, credit, that's one of the few things I actually enjoy about it: I can take a look at the UI layout and not see the same tired old placement of every single UI element that I stared at for years in WoW. I'm not against taking features that work in other games, but I really don't think it's that hard to design a UI that looks different enough from WoW's default UI layout that is equally easy to use, even if it just as simple as putting the player's health in the lower right instead of upper left, or putting the hotbars at the top instead of the bottom, or something. Anything.

FFXIV's UI layout is somewhat similar to XI (Party names in the lower right, chat box in the lower left) but it's different enough (hotbar in the middle, UI elements can be drug to move or resized, addition of a minimap) that it doesn't look like I'm playing FFXI.

The UI layout is going to be something that I'm hopefully going to be staring at for several years. I'd really prefer it doesn't look like it was carbon copied from another game, whatever game that may be. Unfair or not, I'm simply not willing to give a game a chance if I take one look at it and my initial reaction is "Wow, they totally stole ____'s UI layout. They didn't even TRY to change it around."

I can understand why some people might prefer all of their games to look exactly the same. I'm not one of those people.

EDIT: See also - this post.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 4:30pm by Mikhalia
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#50 Feb 24 2011 at 4:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Y'know Mik, I argued the same thing about the UI, but one day I was bored, played the Rift open beta, and started having fun.

The UI in Rift becomes 'transparent.' Meaning, it's so familiar and unobtrusive that it just works.

Again, I completely see your point. The first impression of Rift is pretty weak and seems like an obvious clone (which it is) but it's actually fun. I don't know how long I'll be playing Rift, and I'd rather it be FFXIV, but right now Trion's doing a lot of things I wish SE should have done.

#51 Feb 24 2011 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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Kierk wrote:
Y'know Mik, I argued the same thing about the UI, but one day I was bored, played the Rift open beta, and started having fun.

The UI in Rift becomes 'transparent.' Meaning, it's so familiar and unobtrusive that it just works.

Again, I completely see your point. The first impression of Rift is pretty weak and seems like an obvious clone (which it is) but it's actually fun. I don't know how long I'll be playing Rift, and I'd rather it be FFXIV, but right now Trion's doing a lot of things I wish SE should have done.


I'm sure they're doing plenty of things right, and I'm sure it's plenty fun for the people who enjoy it. I won't state that I think Rift is a poor game or that it lacks this or that because I haven't played it and am thus unqualified to offer an opinion on the game itself. It may very well be ten times better than anything that any MMORPG I've ever played for all I know.

I'm just saying that based solely on the fact that I am hung up on the UI, I am unwilling to try it. Simply put, if the UI looked different, I'd be willing to give it a shot and see if I liked it. Perhaps that's my loss. I'm willing to accept that.

I just wish more developers would stop trying to make their games look as close to that game as possible. Yes, I admit I'm arguing "being different for the sake of being different", but in this case, this is one matter I would prefer that.

As I've said, SE can take as many aspects as they like from WoW; instanced dungeons, exclamation points over heads, battlegrounds, ****... even talent trees. The one thing that SE could ever do to XIV that would make me no longer willing to give it a chance is to copy the UI layout from WoW, -or- from FFXI, or from any other game I've played.

Just my opinion here; I accept that this probably isn't a common one and I certainly don't claim that many people would agree with me. I'm almost certainly in the minority here.
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