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#1 Feb 25 2011 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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I picked up a 3D monitor the other day and have been playing this game with Nvidia 3D vision enabled since then. I have to say; god ****, SE sure pulled out all the stops when it comes to graphics on this game. I mean I knew that already, but playing this game in 3D has given me a new found respect for what SE has done right with this game.

So far, 3D seems like the best thing to happen to gaming since Atari. You all really ought to try it. :P

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#2 Feb 25 2011 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I heard nvidia 3D gives headaches, is this true?
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#3 Feb 25 2011 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
It can. I was reading an article about nVidia's shoice in 3D technology, and how it can cause problems after long periods of play. I assume however, that if you gradually increase the amount of time spent playing in 3D that you could "get used to it" after a while. TO be honest though, I wouldn't probably play in 3D even if I could, unless I was doing like a boss fight or mission or something. lol
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#4 Feb 25 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
I heard nvidia 3D gives headaches, is this true?

I have not experienced this yet, but my longest 3D play session has only been about 3 hours long with 5 min breaks here and there.

So far the only downside is that I have to play in full screen for 3D, but I'm guessing that's because my second monitor isn't a 3D one. Also, the performance hit was minimal. I just disabled depth of field and lowered texture quality by 1.

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#5 Feb 25 2011 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
Anyone have a suggestion for an affordable but decent quality 3D monitor? I would like to have 3D as an option. I am currently playing on a 21.3" TouchScreen monitor (which let me tell you...with FFXIV's current UI is actually really nice!!!). Just PM me if you have a suggestion as I will prob be busy today and may not recheck this thread.
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#6 Feb 25 2011 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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you need a 3d monitor to run nvidia's 3d? did not know that o,o
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#7 Feb 25 2011 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
you need a 3d monitor to run nvidia's 3d? did not know that o,o

The way 3d works, you need a 120hz monitor; 60hz for each eye. Normal monitors (in the US) are only 60hz.

There is a way to do it with the old school red/cyan glasses and no 3D monitor, but it's nowhere near the same quality. I'm not sure if that works with FFXIV though.
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#8 Feb 25 2011 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
I heard nvidia 3D gives headaches, is this true?


3D/Stereoscopic graphics is headache inducing to some people naturally.
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#9 Feb 25 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Is this NVidia only?

Are the glasses expensive?
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#10 Feb 25 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
yfaithfully wrote:
Is this NVidia only?

Are the glasses expensive?


Looks like you will probably spend between 300-500 dollars for a monitor and glasses.

I am debating between this and a 42" LED HDTV for my pc...I am tempted to just get the tv, but idk. 3D looks really nice D:
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Jefro420 wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
you need a 3d monitor to run nvidia's 3d? did not know that o,o

The way 3d works, you need a 120hz monitor; 60hz for each eye. Normal monitors (in the US) are only 60hz.

There is a way to do it with the old school red/cyan glasses and no 3D monitor, but it's nowhere near the same quality. I'm not sure if that works with FFXIV though.


You need a 120Hz LCD monitor, most old CRT can handle 120hz easily enough as long as they are dual DVI capable they should work properly.

It cost me £300ish for my monitor + 3D specs (err $500?) so it's not exactly cheap but it does bring a whole new aspect to some games. For FFXIV though I'd start with the depth on low, close up shots will give a erksome sensation to the eyes, but when you're watching it and see a cherry blossom fall towards you and you feel like you can reach out and grab it, it's quite good!

Oh, you'll also need an nVidia card, ATi won't work with the specs.
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Yeah, ATI is the "eyefinity" side of things from what I seen, but I didn't truly care for this extra stuff since I'm sick of everything needing to be "in 3D" now >.>
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A quick google search can pull up a list of requirements for 3D Vision. I was sad to see my laptop wasn't listed but it wasn't exactly advertised as 3D ready so I'm not upset.

I'm one of those people who gets headaches from 3D movies, but I like the way 3D games look so much I'll just tough through it. Can't wait to get my hands on a good 3D gaming setup. FFXIV isn't the only game I wanna play in 3D.
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I posted about this awhile ago that FFXIV looks amazing with nvidia 3d vision. They really did do an outstanding job.

My only complaint is that your FPS is actually halfed in this game, where in some others it barely takes a hit (which is showing just how GPU dependent FFXIV is.)

At 1080p with 3d on though it's really impressive, just a shame that 3d makes the screen darker.

BTW don't anyone try this on a TV that's not a DLP. 3DTVs that are LCDs are horrible for gaming. Why? HDMI 1.4a specs limit you to 24hz and you actually end up feeling really slow. You push a button and its delayed on the screen several seconds because the game is running at 60 fps but slowed to 24. If you do Vertical Sync, then the game feels like a slide show.

Look it up, Modern 3D TVs are 1080p@24hz or 720p@60hz (while in 3D). However Old 3D DLP TVs, the ones that Nvidias glasses can plug right into, can do 1080p@60hz and look fantastic in FFXIV. It's the new 3D spec that limits you to 24hz and requires you to use the TVs glasses instead of Nvidias.

Theres hundreds of threads on nvidias forums about it. Don't buy a new 3D TV to use for PC gaming. Buy a DLP.
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#15 Feb 25 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
You guys do know that any one with an nvidia card and a PC monitor (and a crappy pair of red blue 3d glasses) can play games in 3d yeah? It's not the same quality experience but it's in the drivers and consistantly updated in the official patches and in seedy corners of the PC modding community.

I was going to go with a 3D monitor, but I really wanted a larger monitor and something bigger than a 1080 resolutin so I decided to hold off this generation.
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The simple solution to 3D making the screen go darker, turn up gamma/brightness ingame, if you're using a modern monitor it becomes easy. Use sRGB normally (via monitor settings) and for games switch to 6400 with a better brightness/contrast for that game, once you exit the game, switch back to srgb, problem solved in the push of a couple of buttons, just be sure to watch out for a washed out colour effect.

Next up, making the blu-ray player in my PC a 3D one, not sure that's possible but I have a soldering iron and a vague idea of how to use it, or at least which end of it gets hot.

/edit @ above - that's not the same 3D as 3D Vision. That method basically splits the image into red/green, the 3D Vision glasses do not do that, it's actually 2 different pictures, kind of like double vision, with each different image being sent to each eye at 60hz. Imagine it like this, your screen is a 120hz so the image is refreshed 120 times per second, 60 of those images are sent to the left eye, 60 to the right (even if your ingame frame rate is 5) which is a totally different technology than wearing the red/green specs.

Edited, Feb 25th 2011 2:01pm by Lexxuk
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#17 Feb 25 2011 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the feedback on this Jefro420.

How about a 50" Plasma TV with a 600 HZ refresh rate, this is what I'm palying on now. Can this work with 3D?

Do you need a specific video card for 3D then?

These sound like questions that Square could answer.

EDIT: Btw, do you have to wear googles or something?

Edited, Feb 25th 2011 2:09pm by RufuSwho
#18 Feb 25 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Eadieni wrote:
I posted about this awhile ago that FFXIV looks amazing with nvidia 3d vision. They really did do an outstanding job.

My only complaint is that your FPS is actually halfed in this game, where in some others it barely takes a hit (which is showing just how GPU dependent FFXIV is.)

Actually my FPS hit was more like 25%, not half. Simply turning off depth of field and lowering the drawing detail by 2 seemed to increase my FPS from what I was getting before using my 3D set up. I don't have the exact numbers though.
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#19 Feb 25 2011 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV is one of the best 3D game i play. I have pretty much all you can get on the PS3, and quite a few "true" 3D games for PC and FFXIV is above most of them.
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RufuSwho wrote:
Thanks for the feedback on this Jefro420.

How about a 50" Plasma TV with a 600 HZ refresh rate, this is what I'm palying on now. Can this work with 3D?

Do you need a specific video card for 3D then?

These sound like questions that Square could answer.

EDIT: Btw, do you have to wear googles or something?


I honestly can't answer the question about using your TV for 3D as the only system I looked into was nvidia's since both my desktop PCs have nvidia video cards. From what I've read Nvidia is really the way to go though for PC 3D gaming (as opposed to ATI).

And yes, you do need active shutter glasses with the nvidia system. Suprisingly, they are not as ugly as I thought they would be, and they easily fit over my prescription glasses.
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#21 Feb 25 2011 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I went ahead and called Nvidia and then Samsung.

For the PN50B850 50" 1080p Plasma HDTV (2009 MODEL) specifically, the answer is no.

I'll make sure to get a 3D ready TV next for sure. Thanks again for the info.

BTW, FFXIV looks incredible on this.
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just remember that on a TV LCD/Plasma thats doing the Top/Down or Left/Right format you have to play at 1280x720 resolution to have the FPS you need to not get a headache or have slow input. Best picture and quality but bad fps.

You need checkerboard format to get 1080p @ 60hz (which looks fine for 3ds but is horrible for fonts and text because its actually halfing the screen resolution)

The monitors can do it just fine though, because they use DVI for 3d, which does not have the 1080p@24hz 3D limitation. You can use a 120Hz LCD monitor at 120 fps at 1920x1080, which is what I use, and it looks great.
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#23 Feb 25 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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I'm trying to follow you.

Do you mean for 3D?

Top/Down Left/Right? Checkerboard?

I've perused all my TV's settings but have not run across this.




Edited, Feb 25th 2011 5:21pm by RufuSwho
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I really want to try this nvidia 3d vision out. It's mentioned in this thread that a 120hz refresh rate TV will work. Doesn't it have to be a 3D Ready TV? This is my TV.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-37LE5300-37-Inch-1080p-HDTV/dp/B0039RSYVS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Would this be compatible?
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Bainrow wrote:
I really want to try this nvidia 3d vision out. It's mentioned in this thread that a 120hz refresh rate TV will work. Doesn't it have to be a 3D Ready TV? This is my TV.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-37LE5300-37-Inch-1080p-HDTV/dp/B0039RSYVS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Would this be compatible?

Maybe if you connect the tv via HDMI, the D-sub connection definitely won't work for 3D. It's not listed on Nvidia's page here:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html
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#26 Feb 25 2011 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Lexxuk wrote:
You need a 120Hz LCD monitor, most old CRT can handle 120hz easily enough as long as they are dual DVI capable they should work properly.

Many old CRTs do have faster refresh than 120, but only for low resolutions. I game on a CRT at 1600 x 1200, and my refresh rate is 65 Hz. I have to go pretty low before I hit 120 Hz.
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I guess I'll be holding off then. Thanks.
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I'll chime in my own observation on 3D for FFXIV. Thanks to the updated Nvidia drivers I finally got to see it in 3D in game (was able to force 3D before in the benchmark by forcing it into a true fullscreen, always wished to see it while actually playing). The game looks magnificent in 3D, in some ways it works even better then WoW's 3D and that one actually has screen options for 3D mode (for some reason the UI always gets screwed up after a while for me on that game) where this one isn't even certified for it yet works soo much better. The UI is 2D and looks like someone put transparent paper in front of your face with all the stats, but the rest of the world is in magnificent 3D. Certain places that seemed dull pop to life and makes the environment feel exciting, the cities (I especially like Ul'Dah) actually scream huge to me when they get up close and personal. I actually get sense of scale in Ul'dah and it doesn't feel nearly as cramped as it feels in 2D. Plus seeing cities from a distance and then having a near object like a tree makes everything feel different. Makes the city actually feel far away and yet magnificent in scope.

As for headaches... don't use the default settings for the 3D slider. What you want to do to make this game playable while using the tech is bring the 3D effect down to like 1/5th power or lower. Make the effect subtle yet immersive. Default has the slider all the way to max and that WILL give people a headache guaranteed after a while if not fairly quickly; like within 10 minutes or less (Max slider means everything "pops" out, including your character compared to the foliage. This effect seems cool at first glance but its impossible to play the game that way as its too much information for your mind and eyes to process at once). The only complaint I have (And this goes with every game really) is the 3D shutter glasses from Nvidia do make things a bit too dark on default. Really need to adjust brightness and gamma settings if you intend to use it for long usage. I say Nvidia glasses because some of the new 3D shutter glasses for the TV's don't seem to have nearly the same loss of light (still some, but its fairly negligible, I think they are shuttering a higher frame rate or something).
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I find the best way to set 3D depth is to get an object up close to you, if your depth is too high you'll experience double vision so you turn the depth setting down until the object is in single vision again, for FFXIV that distance (for me) was minimum possible. As your eyes adjust to using 3D however, you'll be able to up the depth setting, apparently takes a few weeks of play before you get fully used to it.
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It is extremely easy to adjust the depth to suit your eyes, and you do get used to it the more you use it. I have a large bottleneck issue because of my 4 core AMD processor with 2 580's, but apparently the 3d settings allow me to take advantage of the situation. I get absolutely no drop in FPS 99% of the time occasional i will go from 60fps to 58 fps when in 3d. And ambient occlusion looks amazing in 3d if your system can support it.
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Interesting... I actually had no idea the game could be played in 3D >.>

Should definitely add alot to the actual experience of being in the world, though I don't think there's even much of a market for this in games (what with the movie-scene being so saturated with it...)
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Interesting... I actually had no idea the game could be played in 3D >.>

Should definitely add alot to the actual experience of being in the world, though I don't think there's even much of a market for this in games (what with the movie-scene being so saturated with it...)

There should be more of a market for it, movies are only ok in 3D, this technology and gaming were made for each other. Every review I've read online of 3D gaming comes to the same conclusion. It's a little pricey atm, but it's no gimmick, 3D gaming is here to stay.

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So all I need to run 3D vision is a 120Hz monitor? I have a 120Hz LCD TV and I connect my laptop to it via HDMI cable all the time. Would that (and of course the goggles) be all I need? The TV wasn't advertised as 3D ready so now I'm curious.
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So all I need to run 3D vision is a 120Hz monitor? I have a 120Hz LCD TV and I connect my laptop to it via HDMI cable all the time. Would that (and of course the goggles) be all I need? The TV wasn't advertised as 3D ready so now I'm curious.

Nvidia lists the compatible monitors and TVs on their site if you follow the link i posted above. To be safe, I'd say if it's not on that list it's not compatible (with 3D Vision at least).

edit* here's that link again:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html

Edited, Feb 28th 2011 12:05pm by Jefro420
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#35 Feb 28 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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Oh awesome. So if you don't have a Mitsubishi HDTV then nVidia 3D Vision isn't supported. Must be a pretty sweet deal for Mitsubishi.
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Oh awesome. So if you don't have a Mitsubishi HDTV then nVidia 3D Vision isn't supported. Must be a pretty sweet deal for Mitsubishi.

I was looking for a reason why it wouldn't work, here's what I found on nvidia's site:

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Unfortunately your TV takes a 60 Hz input signal and upconverts the framerate to 120 Hz. GeForce 3D Vision either needs pure 120 Hz LCDs like the ViewSonic and Samsung Models, or 3D Ready DLP HTVs like the models from Mitsubishi. Thanks.


this thread on the nvidia forums has some good info in it:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=86215
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When did they update the patch for the 3D? i know at launch they were talking about putting the game with 3D capability but it wasn't included yet. least as far as i could find info on it, it wasn't. the possibility it was there from the get go is possible though i suppose. How well does the 3D work? is it really in like IMAX 3D kinda quality or just slightly better then it is on a monitor designed for blueray graphics, and a card the same way.
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It's nvidia's drivers that really do the work. From what I understand just about any game with 3D models will work in 3D, just that some work better than others.

As far as the quality is concerned, it's pretty good. On my monitor there seems to be a bit of ghosting with far away objects against light backgrounds, but I haven't messed with anything other than the depth setting on the transmitter for the glasses. I haven't checked out any of the settings on the monitor itself yet. Either way, the ghosting is barely noticeable unless your just sitting there doing nothing but staring off into the distance in LL. All-in-all I've been pretty impressed by the whole experience.

Edited, Feb 28th 2011 3:32pm by Jefro420
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Thanks Jefro for the very informative post. So it looks like you can't simply go with "it's 120Hz, it can do 3D!" because the hardware has to be able to support two different images instead of filling in the gaps when upscaling to a higher refresh rate.

I thought this dude's comment was amusing:
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The shutter technology used by nvidia 3D vision can work at any refresh rate, but this has been BLOCKED by nvidia to prevent people from misusing the glasses and then blaming the glasses for headaches they would inflict themselves due to too low refresh rates.


I wonder if I can sue for Clash of the Titans in 3D. That movie gave me the worst headache I've ever had in my life. It was terrible!

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