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#1 Feb 25 2011 at 3:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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[question]When do you think the PS3 version will be released?[/question]
[choice]Spring (March, April, May)[/choice]
[choice]Summer (June, July, August) [/choice]
[choice]Fall (September, October, November) [/choice]
[choice]Winter/Beyond (December ~ 2012) [/choice]
[choice]Never - the project will be scrapped[/choice]
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Ok, so it's largely accepted by now that the game's revival is dependent on the PS3 release. The question is, when is it coming?

We know we are getting 2 updates a month, and considering the pace development is going, are we closer to it or farther away? Can SE afford to wait too long with all the competition, or is the ompetition not a factor? Is the release coming with an expansion, or not coming at all?

Your thoughts...

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When do you think the PS3 version will be released?
Spring (March, April, May):8 (6.3%)
Summer (June, July, August) :32 (25.2%)
Fall (September, October, November) :44 (34.6%)
Winter/Beyond (December ~ 2012) :20 (15.7%)
Never - the project will be scrapped:23 (18.1%)
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#3 Feb 25 2011 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
Financially I'd think it has to be by summer, take advantage of spring break as well as stop the current coffer bleeding. But I hope it's truly ready whenever they do release it.
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wow nice thread among all the crap on this site lately...

OT: i think they want june. 2 more major version updates (march and june) and my guess is SE is happy to charge people.

However,
Knowing SE and how slow they are it will be fall following the 3rd major version update in sept. so i voted fall
thats my guess i could be wrong tho as mab the major version updates are now mini updates twice a month now.
#5 Feb 25 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Default
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There are no 'major version updates' anymore.

PS3 version will be released once their planned changes are implemented and functional. The current list has maybe 40-45% so it's most likely going to be Q4 release at the earliest.
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#6 Feb 25 2011 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
At this point the PS3 launch will most likely fall in line with an expansion release. FFXI released May 16th, 2002 in Japan and Rise of Zilart came one year later on April 17th, 2003.

FFXIV was a world-wide release. Following a similar strategy, the first FFXIV expansion would hit approximately 11 months later (or August 2011). This would give SE enough time to make sure the game is running well, the PS3 port is good to go, and the expansion is tweaked and ready for distribution.

Not to mention, what better way to boost subscribers then by simultaneously releasing an Expansion and PS3 port at the same time?

So in short look to subscription fees, a new expansion, and the PS3 launch all to fall within August-September time frame.
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#7 Feb 25 2011 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I expect it will be released in the summer around July. By then I expect all the the new UI and battle changes to be released and a ton of quests. I suspect that SE will release new classes and new lands on the same day as the PS3 release so they have a lot of people at lower levels. Can't wait.
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#8 Feb 25 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I expect it will be released in the summer around July. By then I expect all the the new UI and battle changes to be released and a ton of quests. I suspect that SE will release new classes and new lands on the same day as the PS3 release so they have a lot of people at lower levels. Can't wait.

I can see it now, one tank, one healer, 6 musketeers in a pt. xD
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Obiar wrote:
I expect it will be released in the summer around July. By then I expect all the the new UI and battle changes to be released and a ton of quests. I suspect that SE will release new classes and new lands on the same day as the PS3 release so they have a lot of people at lower levels. Can't wait.

I can see it now, one tank, one healer, 6 musketeers in a pt. xD


I thought it would be 1 Battle Ship, 3 Frigates and 1 Galleon? D: Or you meant they won't release ships even by then?
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
At this point the PS3 launch will most likely fall in line with an expansion release. FFXI released May 16th, 2002 in Japan and Rise of Zilart came one year later on April 17th, 2003.

FFXIV was a world-wide release. Following a similar strategy, the first FFXIV expansion would hit approximately 11 months later (or August 2011). This would give SE enough time to make sure the game is running well, the PS3 port is good to go, and the expansion is tweaked and ready for distribution.

Not to mention, what better way to boost subscribers then by simultaneously releasing an Expansion and PS3 port at the same time?

So in short look to subscription fees, a new expansion, and the PS3 launch all to fall within August-September time frame.


You know, I really doubt there's any plans for an FFXIV expansion, much less any work being put in right now.

My guess, and probably the most financially sound one, is to released late fall around October/November if the game is polished by then. That way they can use the summer and early fall to generate some hype for the game and to try to bring in former FFXIV players to check out how the game changed.
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If this game has any future, they're working on an expansion, cuz the pitiful updates we've seen release have been way too impoverished to suggest a full development team is committed to reviving this title. Either they're maintaining FFXIV on the cheap, or they're saving all their goodies for an xpac, maybe one that won't require the base game to play (like Aion's). An xpac + PS3 release would be enough to get reviewers to take a second look, get gamers to forget the failed launch, and get this title going again.
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You know, I really doubt there's any plans for an FFXIV expansion, much less any work being put in right now.


I can guarantee that the plans for the expansion were not only in place before the September 22nd launch, but that the work had already begun. The fact that the game failed so hard at launch may have had an impact on their progress, but I can say with confidence that work still continued, and is most likely still being done. With a 100+ person team working on the game, it is highly unlikely that -all- of them are just working on fixing the current problems. With almost half of the projected changes in place, and a good amount on the way in the next month, I think it is safe to say we can expect, not only the PS3 launch this year (as early as August) but even more assuredly the first expansion to coincide.

Wolfums wrote:
My guess, and probably the most financially sound one, is to released late fall around October/November if the game is polished by then. That way they can use the summer and early fall to generate some hype for the game and to try to bring in former FFXIV players to check out how the game changed.


FFXIV shipped 630,000+ copies last year, the PS3 launch will probably double that at least. I know I will be buying a copy for PS3 so that I can run a second account simultaneously. Let's face it, we are so starved for content right now (the biggest problem it seems from all the threads about it) think how people will feel if we have to sit past the PS3 launch date with no expansion. Everyone wants endgame, I am personally waiting to even level a DoW/M until the battle system gets changed. I only have two fighting classes leveled 15PUG and 24THM, I havent touched my PUG since September, and I only do behests randomly on THM between BOT and ALC LQs. After the BS patch, I will likely start leveling THM/CON fairly hard and will definitely have both r50 before September. At that point, I will want more. But right now there are a lot of people at r50 DoW/M or multiple r50s. There is only so much you can do.

I am sure SE has already realized that a PS3 launch will not help enough unless they give us a serious expansion at the same time.

EDIT: I can also say with certainty that the level cap will be raised to 60~ at that time as well.

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#13 Feb 25 2011 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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Interesting seeing the majority of responses (so far) for Fall.

I personally feel the core mechanics of the game, controls and the battle system will be polished within the next 6 patches, so 3 months. I can't really see them waiting past August to start bringing in real money to recoop the losses so far. They could start charging pc subs much earlier, but I just don't think it will be enough without a solid marketing campaign to bring back those who quit, and that's only coming with the PS3 release.
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At the rate they're going, I won't be surprised if it's never fit for release. I'm sure they'll release it regardless for the money, though.
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The expansion PS3 release idea is tempting, however I don't see them being able to fix the game and do a proper expansion by september assuming one expansion a year. I'm sorry but fixing this game will take the energy of making an expansion. So if they come out together, it'll be next year or the PS3 version will come out with the second expansion and include both with it.
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Voted for spring. I'm kind of thinking May-June ish, but we'll just have to wait and see. The more things yoshi-P knocks off that list of his the quicker i'm sure it will be here.
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#17 Feb 26 2011 at 2:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ouch. I just watched a promotional trailer for another MMORPG.
It said: "...fully finished and polished at launch!"
A direct hit at FFXIV, and a fully deserved one at that.

Come on. Who would be as stupid as to pay money for an
expansion at PS3 launch, when even the core game
wasn't finished half a year after release?
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Ouch. I just watched a promotional trailer for another MMORPG.
It said: "...fully finished and polished at launch!"
A direct hit at FFXIV, and a fully deserved one at that.

Come on. Who would be as stupid as to pay money for an
expansion at PS3 launch, when even the core game
wasn't finished half a year after release?


Not many people.

The issue SE are contending with is that many interested PS3 fans will have seen the reviews the game got at release, and will just go "erm, no thanks" and move on.

Granted, there aren't many other (any other?) options for a MMO on the PS3, but it's already made a name for itself as the worst MMO launch in recent years.

Personally, I think I'm done with the game. I tried to like it, I tried to wait, but with 5-6 friends deciding to go back to XI in March, I'm going to join them and see how that goes. Plus there's SW:TOR on the horizon, and you can be sure I'm getting that, if only to see the conclusion to the KOTOR series :D
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#19 Feb 26 2011 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
Likibiki wrote:
Rinsui wrote:
Ouch. I just watched a promotional trailer for another MMORPG.
It said: "...fully finished and polished at launch!"
A direct hit at FFXIV, and a fully deserved one at that.

Come on. Who would be as stupid as to pay money for an
expansion at PS3 launch, when even the core game
wasn't finished half a year after release?


Not many people.

The issue SE are contending with is that many interested PS3 fans will have seen the reviews the game got at release, and will just go "erm, no thanks" and move on.

Granted, there aren't many other (any other?) options for a MMO on the PS3, but it's already made a name for itself as the worst MMO launch in recent years.

Personally, I think I'm done with the game. I tried to like it, I tried to wait, but with 5-6 friends deciding to go back to XI in March, I'm going to join them and see how that goes. Plus there's SW:TOR on the horizon, and you can be sure I'm getting that, if only to see the conclusion to the KOTOR series :D


I loved FFXI, to an absurd extent. Abyssea killed it for me. In fact if it wasn't for Abyssea, I might still be playing FFXI alongside FFXIV. But that's just me. I liked the grind. I avoided blm/smn burn pts except to level a couple subjobs that i knew i wouldnt need skill ups in, just the levels.
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#20 Feb 26 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Interesting seeing the majority of responses (so far) for Fall.

I personally feel the core mechanics of the game, controls and the battle system will be polished within the next 6 patches, so 3 months. I can't really see them waiting past August to start bringing in real money to recoop the losses so far. They could start charging pc subs much earlier, but I just don't think it will be enough without a solid marketing campaign to bring back those who quit, and that's only coming with the PS3 release.


Yes SE will want to start bringing money in as soon as they can but they also know they cant rush it, as auron once said "if we rush this, we will loose everything"

SE knows if they rush the release on PS3 and start the subscription fees too soon they will loose too many players to keep supporting the game. even when the game is polished and the player base starts to increase and people sat they will be willing to pay for it, i could see them waiting a month or two before they start charging just to be safe.

They need to tread carefully if the game is going to survive. Also I could see an expansion released with the ps3 release, maybe even loaded onto the origanal game disk for ps3 to keep gaining trust from the players
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Likibiki wrote:
Rinsui wrote:
Ouch. I just watched a promotional trailer for another MMORPG.
It said: "...fully finished and polished at launch!"
A direct hit at FFXIV, and a fully deserved one at that.

Come on. Who would be as stupid as to pay money for an
expansion at PS3 launch, when even the core game
wasn't finished half a year after release?


Not many people.

The issue SE are contending with is that many interested PS3 fans will have seen the reviews the game got at release, and will just go "erm, no thanks" and move on.

Granted, there aren't many other (any other?) options for a MMO on the PS3, but it's already made a name for itself as the worst MMO launch in recent years.

Personally, I think I'm done with the game. I tried to like it, I tried to wait, but with 5-6 friends deciding to go back to XI in March, I'm going to join them and see how that goes. Plus there's SW:TOR on the horizon, and you can be sure I'm getting that, if only to see the conclusion to the KOTOR series :D


I loved FFXI, to an absurd extent. Abyssea killed it for me. In fact if it wasn't for Abyssea, I might still be playing FFXI alongside FFXIV. But that's just me. I liked the grind. I avoided blm/smn burn pts except to level a couple subjobs that i knew i wouldnt need skill ups in, just the levels.


I agree with this, for me abyssea ruinined ffxi, made it way too easy, however saying that i do still login occasionally to do some things, and to talk to friends that still play alot
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#21 Feb 26 2011 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'd have to agree, I think it'll be released with an expansion. I really don't feel that they'll decide its worth it to release until they're stable enough to be working on an expansion, and at that point they may as well wait and release them in a bundle, for better marketing.

Having said that, I think there is still a very good chance that it may never be released onto the PS3 at all. I have no idea how important FFXIV is to SE in the long run.
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Having said that, I think there is still a very good chance that it may never be released onto the PS3 at all. I have no idea how important FFXIV is to SE in the long run.


Well, we do know how important XI was to SE in the long run. Pretty important.
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Having said that, I think there is still a very good chance that it may never be released onto the PS3 at all. I have no idea how important FFXIV is to SE in the long run.


Well, we do know how important XI was to SE in the long run. Pretty important.


Yeah, but that's irrelevant. its a completely different project/investment. Maybe SE is slowing down their development of games and focusing more on the licensing, in that case yes they're going to want to put a lot of eggs into the FFXIV basket. Maybe the development costs and overhead to fix things are being paid for by FFXIII money and they can keep it up for another year+. Or maybe this can just be another one of the many games that get released that don't do so well, and you cut you're losses and move on, I don't know. My best guess now is that their projected PS3 numbers are huge.
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Having said that, I think there is still a very good chance that it may never be released onto the PS3 at all. I have no idea how important FFXIV is to SE in the long run.


Well, we do know how important XI was to SE in the long run. Pretty important.


Yeah, but that's irrelevant. its a completely different project/investment. Maybe SE is slowing down their development of games and focusing more on the licensing, in that case yes they're going to want to put a lot of eggs into the FFXIV basket. Maybe the development costs and overhead to fix things are being paid for by FFXIII money and they can keep it up for another year+. Or maybe this can just be another one of the many games that get released that don't do so well, and you cut you're losses and move on, I don't know. My best guess now is that their projected PS3 numbers are huge.


I can't imagine they're naive enough to think that it'll be anything less than a huge risk launching it on the PS3.

Then again, they did release it in its original state, so I guess anything's possible...
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#25 Feb 26 2011 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
Likibiki wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
Hyanmen wrote:
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Having said that, I think there is still a very good chance that it may never be released onto the PS3 at all. I have no idea how important FFXIV is to SE in the long run.


Well, we do know how important XI was to SE in the long run. Pretty important.


Yeah, but that's irrelevant. its a completely different project/investment. Maybe SE is slowing down their development of games and focusing more on the licensing, in that case yes they're going to want to put a lot of eggs into the FFXIV basket. Maybe the development costs and overhead to fix things are being paid for by FFXIII money and they can keep it up for another year+. Or maybe this can just be another one of the many games that get released that don't do so well, and you cut you're losses and move on, I don't know. My best guess now is that their projected PS3 numbers are huge.


I can't imagine they're naive enough to think that it'll be anything less than a huge risk launching it on the PS3.

Then again, they did release it in its original state, so I guess anything's possible...


I'll be honest. I am surprised they released FFXIV on the PC first. If you had asked me in 2009 I would have sworn it would be either PS3/PC dual launch, or PS3 then PC (6mo later). Mind you it was a pleasent surprise.

But why all this talk about PS3 launch not happening? You do realize that SE's main target audience is the console users in Japan right? THe only risk they face is a riot outside thier building if they -don't- release it on PS3.
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#26 Feb 26 2011 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
Likibiki wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
Hyanmen wrote:
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Having said that, I think there is still a very good chance that it may never be released onto the PS3 at all. I have no idea how important FFXIV is to SE in the long run.


Well, we do know how important XI was to SE in the long run. Pretty important.


Yeah, but that's irrelevant. its a completely different project/investment. Maybe SE is slowing down their development of games and focusing more on the licensing, in that case yes they're going to want to put a lot of eggs into the FFXIV basket. Maybe the development costs and overhead to fix things are being paid for by FFXIII money and they can keep it up for another year+. Or maybe this can just be another one of the many games that get released that don't do so well, and you cut you're losses and move on, I don't know. My best guess now is that their projected PS3 numbers are huge.


I can't imagine they're naive enough to think that it'll be anything less than a huge risk launching it on the PS3.

Then again, they did release it in its original state, so I guess anything's possible...


I'll be honest. I am surprised they released FFXIV on the PC first. If you had asked me in 2009 I would have sworn it would be either PS3/PC dual launch, or PS3 then PC (6mo later). Mind you it was a pleasent surprise.

But why all this talk about PS3 launch not happening? You do realize that SE's main target audience is the console users in Japan right? THe only risk they face is a riot outside thier building if they -don't- release it on PS3.


Its actually not that complicated. If the games full of problems, people don't like it etc, why would they willingly go into a release that won't go well. I don't know, maybe there is a huge vocal outcry for the game on PS3 on Japanese sites, but I wouldn't just assume there will be because FFXI did so well on the PS2.
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
Likibiki wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
Hyanmen wrote:
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Having said that, I think there is still a very good chance that it may never be released onto the PS3 at all. I have no idea how important FFXIV is to SE in the long run.


Well, we do know how important XI was to SE in the long run. Pretty important.


Yeah, but that's irrelevant. its a completely different project/investment. Maybe SE is slowing down their development of games and focusing more on the licensing, in that case yes they're going to want to put a lot of eggs into the FFXIV basket. Maybe the development costs and overhead to fix things are being paid for by FFXIII money and they can keep it up for another year+. Or maybe this can just be another one of the many games that get released that don't do so well, and you cut you're losses and move on, I don't know. My best guess now is that their projected PS3 numbers are huge.


I can't imagine they're naive enough to think that it'll be anything less than a huge risk launching it on the PS3.

Then again, they did release it in its original state, so I guess anything's possible...


I'll be honest. I am surprised they released FFXIV on the PC first. If you had asked me in 2009 I would have sworn it would be either PS3/PC dual launch, or PS3 then PC (6mo later). Mind you it was a pleasent surprise.

But why all this talk about PS3 launch not happening? You do realize that SE's main target audience is the console users in Japan right? THe only risk they face is a riot outside thier building if they -don't- release it on PS3.


It's really hard to imagine a mob of *** ff fans demanding XIV released on the PS3, just so they can do nothing like the rest of us XD!

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Japanese players made up the majority of the player base on FFXI. And the majority of Japanese players play on console. Since the majority of SE's players aren't playing FFXIV yet, SE decided to delay the PS3 launch because, if the majority of the players that will ever play this game came online and went through what we have, FFXIV -would- already be dead and buried. SE saved thier own *** by holding off. But they would still be committing suicide by not releasing onto the PS3.

There is no, "well if the product is no good"...the product -will be- good, there is no doubt in my mind about that. It's a matter of -when-. Not -if-. PS3 sales will hit over 500,000 easy. Just wait and see. If I am wrong, I will buy you a cookie.

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#29 Feb 26 2011 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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All depends I reckon.
If the game flops COMPLETELY (which I really hope it doesn't) then the game wont come to ps3.
Then again, if they come up with some sort of miracle system that makes us go WOOOO I LOVE THIS GAME! Then it could come earlier than even SE were planning...

I'd say internally though they are probably have the really loose date of early summer 2011 imo.

The game doesn't need much else fixing, its all a matter of how they fix it, its still possible for them to add the much requested content, for example, and for it to fail, which could delay the launch further while they fix that.
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Of course pure speculation, but my bet is either it will be scrapped or an early 2012 release. If the upcoming content update is exceptional, I suppose it would be reasonable to shorten the timetable, but judging from past performances I expect March's update to be extremely underwhelming. We will see.
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duplicate, sorry.

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I'm guessing an early summer beta (which they have mentioned will happen in the past) with a fall official release.
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I loved FFXI, to an absurd extent. Abyssea killed it for me. In fact if it wasn't for Abyssea, I might still be playing FFXI alongside FFXIV. But that's just me. I liked the grind. I avoided blm/smn burn pts except to level a couple subjobs that i knew i wouldnt need skill ups in, just the levels.


Abyssea is what has made me seriously consider going back to the game. The FFXI grind was awful and single-handedly drove the vast majority of players away. Why offer 20 unique and fun jobs to play with and make it an unholy **** just to cap one of them?

Some people enjoy tedium in a way that most people never can. Hey, I've been there myself. I don't even fully understand it now, but I used to like grinding. It made me feel productive, I guess. But now I look back and realize that I didn't hone any skills or grow in any meaningful way, not even as a player of video games. You could maybe argue that I developed some ability to delay gratification... to put in boring work to get a later reward, but really, not even that. It certainly didn't carry over into work.

Ultimately, the players who appreciate a grind are too far and few between to cater a title with ambitions of great success to.
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#34 Feb 27 2011 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I heard some people have already got it running on 1st gen PS3s. That doesnt mean much, but i think it shows that its possible.
#35 Feb 27 2011 at 8:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Make no mistake, FFXIV will make it to PS3.

It's as easy as consider that if a copy of PS3 final fantasy XIV became available for preorder today I can tell without a single shadow of doubt that it will hit 200k sales within a couple of weeks, SE financial department know this, the management know this and the only people apparently ignorant of these facts are my fellows here in the forums.

Now please don't get me wrong, like most people here I'm aware of the state of the game, and I believe, besides few exceptions, that any person who have tried FFXIV for PC won't buy or recommend the game for PS3, but potential PS3 customers are in the same situation we were just before September 22th, just think about it, how many of us played beta and still purchased the game hoping for the release version to get right all that was wrong?, how is that different from the view of a random Timy waiting for the next FF online for his ps3?

SE has a box in the table while still baking the FFXIV cake in the oven, either they finish the cake and slip it inside before opening the box (aka ps3 release) or just open the box and gave up about the cake.

Either way there will be a ps3 release, because they know it could be a partial refund for their FFXIV investment, and they won't let that go.

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Edited, Feb 28th 2011 7:17am by kenage
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