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#1 Feb 26 2011 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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So.. I am currently playing FFXIV on pc with standard settings. While my pc will run the game ok on those setting, I would still like to enjoy the quality graphics the game has to offer. As well as a slightly higher fps. So which leads me to this question.

Does anyone have any idea how good the game will look and play on PS3? I can't decide if I wanna shell out the cash for a new or upgraded pc or wait for PS3 release. I would like to possibly play on PS3 but would probably upgrade to a better pc if it allowed for a smoother and better looking game.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated :)
#2 Feb 26 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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#3 Feb 26 2011 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
Here is the specs for the Playstation 3:

CPU: Cell Processor

PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU: RSX @550MHz

1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound: Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-base processing)

Memory:

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth:

Main RAM: 25.6GB/s
VRAM: 22.4GB/s
RSX: 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB: 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance: 2 TFLOPS

As you can see the processor is sufficient to handle the game, but the RAM doesn't even hit 4GB. On top of that the GPU only runs at 550MHz. However the system is also designed to run games. This said, play Final Fantasy XIII in HD, and you will see how FFXIV might look on the PS3. As far as "lag" goes, I can't really say. I am betting that it will play similar to FFXIV with "low-standard" settings on a PC. Unless you want to run high to max settings on PC, or in 3D, you might be okay waiting on the PS3 port.

Edited, Feb 26th 2011 9:59am by StateAlchemist2
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#4 Feb 26 2011 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Remember when SE released that program to test your pc to see if you can run FFXIV? The scores went from 0 to 10,000 plus and if you had over 1000 they said you can run FFXIV. I suspect that the PS3 will come in around the 2300 mark allowing it to run smoothly on lower settings. My current pc comes in at 1540 so I will definitely be getting the PS3 version when it comes out.
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#5 Feb 26 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been playing bluetooth with a ps3 controller on PC since december.

After using a controller i cant believe ive been using a keyboard and mouse on ffxi for the last 8 years.

#6 Feb 26 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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You should post the specs on your pc so we can figure how close to a good upgrade that you might be. As far a ps3 specs go, don't try to compare your computer because the ps3 has an extremely optimized hardware/software configuration and runs with a very small fraction of the overhead that normal pcs do, thanks to windows. A game like IV isn't going to require more than 1 GB in reality, the only reason a pc needs it is because pcs slobber all over their ram, much in the way that a carburetor engine slobbers gasoline. PCs have horrible efficiency due to windows but, depending on ur specs and how much money u have (presumably about 300$?), u might be able to power ur way thru that preety well.
#7 Feb 26 2011 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you so much for the replies guys. My pc specs are as follows....

AMD Phenom "Tripple Core" 2.0
gtx 260 gpu
4 gigs DDR 2 ram
H50 cpu cooler
Windows 7 64 bit

So as you see, not the fastest by any means lol but it's what I have atm.
#8 Feb 26 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Default
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Scalettaxiv wrote:
I've been playing bluetooth with a ps3 controller on PC since december.

After using a controller i cant believe ive been using a keyboard and mouse on ffxi for the last 8 years.



I know how you feel.

I played DC universe with a controller and i went "WTF, this is godly!" but the problem was, xbox 360 FFXI ...and xbox 360 controller is one horrible combination. I paid 50 bucks for a 360 ffxi for no reason... then again i bought 4 PC copies of FFXI for no reason. (1 for each expansion....and scenarios and 1 extra copy to restart...)
#9 Feb 26 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
Maulacious wrote:
Thank you so much for the replies guys. My pc specs are as follows....

AMD Phenom "Tripple Core" 2.0
gtx 260 gpu
4 gigs DDR 2 ram
H50 cpu cooler
Windows 7 64 bit

So as you see, not the fastest by any means lol but it's what I have atm.


Oh, yeah you could do some siple mods and step it up gradually. Start with your PSU. get at least a 550W power supply. can pull that off for about $50~ maybe a lil more.

After that I would first upgrade your ram if your mobo will allow ddr3 if not no worries.

you can get away with the CPU, but you will want to upgrade to a gtx460 most likely. the 460 is really affordable now, compared to before the 500series launch.
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#10 Feb 26 2011 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:

Oh, yeah you could do some siple mods and step it up gradually. Start with your PSU. get at least a 550W power supply. can pull that off for about $50~ maybe a lil more.

After that I would first upgrade your ram if your mobo will allow ddr3 if not no worries.

you can get away with the CPU, but you will want to upgrade to a gtx460 most likely. the 460 is really affordable now, compared to before the 500series launch.

There is probably no need to upgrade the power supply. 550W is something you'll want if you have a bunch of hard drives and other gadgets or you run SLI/crossfire. 400-450W will be plenty for any modern day "normal" setup. When buying a PSU, look for quality rather than power. The power will probably not matter but a poor PSU can fry your system as it blows up.

I also would not touch the RAM unless I was actually upgrading the mobo. 4GB is plenty enough (my FFXIV runs fine on high settings with only 2GB). Putting new RAM on an old mobo is just the worst as it'll be useless/inefficient when you want to upgrade the mobo some time in the future.

The GTX 460 is probably a pretty good deal, though.

Edited, Feb 26th 2011 2:43pm by Omena
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#11 Feb 26 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
Omena wrote:
There is probably no need to upgrade the power supply. 550W is something you'll want if you have a bunch of hard drives and other gadgets or you run SLI/crossfire.


The NVIDIA GTX 460's minimum recommended system power supply is 450W, and we all know what 'minimum' means. trust me. get a 550W or greater.

Edited, Feb 26th 2011 2:59pm by StateAlchemist2
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#12 Feb 26 2011 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Alrighty, thx again for all the detailed info guys. I will probably end up saving up a bit and rebuilding a new pc.
My current systems mobo has an AMD 2 socket, DDR2 memory and is around 3 years old. The game looks outstanding when hooked up to an HD display but the game isnt smooth at all unless settings are way down.

With that being said, I will bypass the PS3 option and look into a new pc to enjoy what this game has to offer.
Again ty all for the replies and heres to many months of happy gaming :)
#13 Feb 26 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
Omena wrote:
There is probably no need to upgrade the power supply. 550W is something you'll want if you have a bunch of hard drives and other gadgets or you run SLI/crossfire.


The NVIDIA GTX 460's minimum recommended system power supply is 450W, and we all know what 'minimum' means. trust me. get a 550W or greater.

That number is bogus. They way overshoot the numbers just so they have all their bases covered in case someone calls in and complains that his system with ten hard disks and fifty USB gadgets can't handle the card without a PSU upgrade.

I just took Thermaltake's PSU calculation test for my system. It has a GTX 460 (heavily overclocked), a Core 2 Duo E6600 CPU (also heavily overclocked), a Soundblaster X-Fi sound card, two sticks of DDR2 and two hard drives, and the recommended PSU wattage was 360.


Edited, Feb 26th 2011 7:45pm by Omena
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Just an observation, but I was at Game Stop today and they had the PS3 version at July of this year. Obviously that can change, but thought it was interesting.
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#15 Feb 26 2011 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I second that GTX460, I've had it for about 2 weeks now and i'm in love with it. mind you it will not run ffxi with anti aliasing, and it will not run textures on ultra, but it will run the game very fluidly on standard settings, which is all i can ask for at this point.
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650w power supply

When a video card says minimum 450w, its safe to get 100w over, so a card like the gtx460 will want something at least over 500. Just because it can run on lower PSU, doesn't mean it should.
#16 Feb 26 2011 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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Scalettaxiv wrote:
When a video card says minimum 450w, its safe to get 100w over, so a card like the gtx460 will want something at least over 500. Just because it can run on lower PSU, doesn't mean it should.

This, I'll tell you from experience that you can easily blow up a power supply by using one that meets the 'minimum requirements' as I went through 4 in a single month in my machine doing just that. When it comes to your power supply, you're far better off getting something much bigger than the minimum required wattage.


Edited, Feb 26th 2011 10:02pm by Jefro420
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#17 Feb 26 2011 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
Omena wrote:
Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
Omena wrote:
There is probably no need to upgrade the power supply. 550W is something you'll want if you have a bunch of hard drives and other gadgets or you run SLI/crossfire.


The NVIDIA GTX 460's minimum recommended system power supply is 450W, and we all know what 'minimum' means. trust me. get a 550W or greater.

That number is bogus. They way overshoot the numbers just so they have all their bases covered in case someone calls in and complains that his system with ten hard disks and fifty USB gadgets can't handle the card without a PSU upgrade.

I just took Thermaltake's PSU calculation test for my system. It has a GTX 460 (heavily overclocked), a Core 2 Duo E6600 CPU (also heavily overclocked), a Soundblaster X-Fi sound card, two sticks of DDR2 and two hard drives, and the recommended PSU wattage was 360.



Seriously people, upgrade the PSU to the highest watts that you can afford. Just running at the minimum leaves no room for upgrades, and then you are out more money to upgrade the PSU. PSU's up to 1000 watt are not that expensive, relatively speaking. An average 650 watt runs from 59.00 USD to 99.00 USD with more expensive models and cheaper models. The trick is to look at what each rail can handle. Not every PSU is made the same. NVIDIA GPU's require so much amperage per rail, so look at that when considering a PSU.

No offense to the poster of this message, but a Core2Duo with two sticks of DDR2, etc, etc, is hardly comparable to more up-to-date PC's, and is more of a "low-budget" gameing PC.



Edited, Feb 27th 2011 12:19am by River75
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#18 Feb 26 2011 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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Maulacious wrote:
Thank you so much for the replies guys. My pc specs are as follows....

AMD Phenom "Tripple Core" 2.0
gtx 260 gpu
4 gigs DDR 2 ram
H50 cpu cooler
Windows 7 64 bit

So as you see, not the fastest by any means lol but it's what I have atm.


Get a new core (quad core at 3.2 Ghz is the standard for this generation of games), upgrade your ddr to ddr3. You may also want to look into a new graphics card sometime in the future, although yours is barely sufficient for high settings on XIV IF you upgrade your CPU and begin using DDR3. Otherwise it will be low-mid settings at best.

All in all, buying these new parts would cost about as much as a used 80 gig PS3 if bought and installed yourself. Closer to a new 120GB if you paid someone to do it for you.

As far as CPUs go, the PS3 uses a next-gen advanced processor called the "Cell processor" which is sort of a 9- core with 1 core disabled for best results. The main issue with the ps3 is that it has less overall RAM running at an insanely fast rate, and for most people, a smaller amount of total memory storage.



Edited, Feb 26th 2011 11:43pm by Uryuu
#19 Feb 27 2011 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Maulacious wrote:
Thank you so much for the replies guys. My pc specs are as follows....

AMD Phenom "Tripple Core" 2.0
gtx 260 gpu
4 gigs DDR 2 ram
H50 cpu cooler
Windows 7 64 bit

So as you see, not the fastest by any means lol but it's what I have atm.


Get a new core (quad core at 3.2 Ghz is the standard for this generation of games), upgrade your ddr to ddr3. You may also want to look into a new graphics card sometime in the future, although yours is barely sufficient for high settings on XIV IF you upgrade your CPU and begin using DDR3. Otherwise it will be low-mid settings at best.

All in all, buying these new parts would cost about as much as a used 80 gig PS3 if bought and installed yourself. Closer to a new 120GB if you paid someone to do it for you.

As far as CPUs go, the PS3 uses a next-gen advanced processor called the "Cell processor" which is sort of a 9- core with 1 core disabled for best results. The main issue with the ps3 is that it has less overall RAM running at an insanely fast rate, and for most people, a smaller amount of total memory storage.



Please remember that when we are suggesting that ppl upgrade, that most upgrades require new motherboards, etc. Decent gaming motherboards will run in the range of 150-250 $USD, with most processors in that range around 250-350 $USD. Throw in decent DDR3 at approx 6-8 gb, add another 250-500 $USD depending on speed (I think that quality decent DDR3 is running around 40-60 $USD/gb) <-- Please correct if wrong. Now, with this type of upgrade, then probally the PSU needs upgrading, add another 60-150 $USD. Let's not forget about the Case, an overlooked item. This new equipment needs a decent case with plenty of room, add another 60-150 $USD. Finally, the graphics card. Everyone has agreed, at least for NVIDIA, the GTX 460 should be the minimum needed, add another 150-200 $USD. Add misc. items for another 50-100 $USD. Grand total for a decent system upgrade....970-1900 $USD for this "minimal" upgrade.

This will hopefully throw some of the upgrades in perspective.
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#20 Feb 27 2011 at 3:03 AM Rating: Good
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Closer to 50 for 4-6 gb ddr3, depending upon the brand (they could go with 100 for 6-8 gb of ddr3), 140 for a amd phenom II black at 3.2, and thats all they'd need. chances are they won't need a motherboard, but if you ever have to do a motherboard upgrade to upgrade parts, chances are you're better off buying a used gaming pc. If you EVER have to upgrade a motherboard, it means you're using outdated or badly made tech, as the motherboard is the foundation of a computer.

You can also get a radeon HD 5770 GPU for around 85 or less.

Edited, Feb 27th 2011 3:09am by Uryuu
#21 Feb 27 2011 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
Uryuu wrote:
Closer to 50 for 4-6 gb ddr3, depending upon the brand (they could go with 100 for 6-8 gb of ddr3), 140 for a amd phenom II black at 3.2, and thats all they'd need. chances are they won't need a motherboard, but if you ever have to do a motherboard upgrade to upgrade parts, chances are you're better off buying a used gaming pc. If you EVER have to upgrade a motherboard, it means you're using outdated or badly made tech, as the motherboard is the foundation of a computer.

You can also get a radeon HD 5770 GPU for around 85 or less.



As a computer builder, and I reccommend only Intel parts, motherboards are not interchangeable for most parts. Even AMD chips are specially made for different motherboards, they are what you call slots. Intel alone uses at least 4-5 differnt slots for their processors, and AMD uses 3-4 different common slots. So, with respect, your statement about upgrading motherboards is false. In addition, some motherboards accept ddr, ddr2, and ddr3 memory. In addition, some have slots for AGP graphics, but most newer boards have PCIe-16. The combinations and changes go on and on.

Also, you are NEVER better off buying a used gaming pc unless you know the person that is selling it to you, or it is warranted. Gaming pc's tend to be abused and overclocked. This causes the parts to wear out faster.

As far as the memory goes, I did a quick search and found that the most popular speed of DDR3 runs around 50-120 for 4gb, with the average around 70. Again, this is the most abundant speed available, therefore, the most popular.

Clock speed of an AMD vs Intel at the moment is not matched appropriately. A 3.2gb intel is faster than that of a 3.2 gb AMD. This may change in the future, but for now, it is just not true.

Also, INTEL is better for gaming as is ATI graphics. (I know, I use NVIDIA, but the research shows that ATI is better at this time)

I know that this has been said before elsewhere, but is worth bringing back to the forefront. But remember, when it comes to gaming computers, cheaper is NEVER better. You will always get what you pay for.

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#22 Feb 27 2011 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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River75, Assassin Reject wrote:

Seriously people, upgrade the PSU to the highest watts that you can afford. Just running at the minimum leaves no room for upgrades, and then you are out more money to upgrade the PSU. PSU's up to 1000 watt are not that expensive, relatively speaking. An average 650 watt runs from 59.00 USD to 99.00 USD with more expensive models and cheaper models. The trick is to look at what each rail can handle. Not every PSU is made the same. NVIDIA GPU's require so much amperage per rail, so look at that when considering a PSU.

No offense to the poster of this message, but a Core2Duo with two sticks of DDR2, etc, etc, is hardly comparable to more up-to-date PC's, and is more of a "low-budget" gameing PC.

Well, if money burns your pockets, go ahead and buy a 1000W PSU. That's exactly what the PSU industry wants you to believe you need. The power requirements on systems have barely gone up in a decade. 500W+ PSUs are popular only because people don't know better or run high-end systems. Then they buy a cheap and sh*tty 500W PSU and wonder why it blows up on them. "I guess I need to buy a bigger one!", they think.

My system, which was great about four years ago is not cutting edge today, yet it runs FFXIV beautifully at 40+ frames outside towns with high settings. Besides, I just did another Thermaltake PSU test, this time with an i5-2400 Sandy Bridge, GTX 580, two sticks of DDR3, a high-speed (non SSD) HD and sound card (most don't even have this) and the recommended wattage came out at 490. That's very close to cutting edge, so for that system I would actually buy a 550W, possibly even 600W, PSU. Note that the 580 is a power hog and needs 363W under load while the 1GB version of 460 only comes in at 270W.

River75, Assassin Reject wrote:

Also, INTEL is better for gaming as is ATI graphics. (I know, I use NVIDIA, but the research shows that ATI is better at this time)

Also, what is this nonsense? How are you measuring this? The top three fastest GPUs today are all Nvidia products.


Edited, Feb 27th 2011 8:56am by Omena
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