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#1 Mar 01 2011 at 12:04 AM Rating: Excellent
Not long ago, I wrote that I had faith in Yoshi-P's ability to bring FFXIV back from the brink. Since then, I've only seen more reasons to believe he's the right man for the job.

His actions in the wake of Patch 1.15b -- which left a bitter taste in many mouths -- show what he's made of. Although he's casual and chatty in his letters, Yoshi-P is a superb communicator who says all the right things about as quickly as time zones and translations allow. And on top of being a smooth talker, he also appears to be a hard worker who understands the needs of his audience. He's also right on schedule with his plans for improving this game.

The way this guy does business is night-and-day different than the development team of FFXI. He hides nothing from his playerbase -- he feels like he could be one of us.

Here's hoping we hear from the producer again soon, and that my next editorial will be about the new quest content.

But for now, check out my editorial and discuss in this thread!

Edited, Feb 28th 2011 10:04pm by Thayos

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#2 Mar 01 2011 at 12:26 AM Rating: Excellent
Great editorial, well spoken. ^^
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#3 Mar 01 2011 at 12:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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This was a very enjoyable and uplifting read. The more people that see this, the better. I'll see what I can do to spread the word to those who may not frequent ZAM.
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yeah, but now the front page of the ffxiv website is cut off...
#5 Mar 01 2011 at 12:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I agree with most of what you say. Ever since Yoshi-P took the reigns, i've felt more and more confident in the game with ever patch and expected change. Its nice to see them actually show you what they are wanting to do with upcoming plans for the near to far future. The polls, and the opening of the official forums finally seems to say, "We are listening to you" that SE is so notorious for not doing.

They probably would have saved themselves (and the forums around here) much grief by stating that the quests would be delayed until march much sooner than they did, but whats done is done. I know it will take more action from a lot of the people around these boards before they have more faith in the game, and I can respect that, but he's earned my trust and I can't wait to see what he has in store for us.

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#6 Mar 01 2011 at 1:43 AM Rating: Good
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I've generally agreed with Thayos' editorials in the past. However, I think this was too idealist in nature.

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Some people still criticize Yoshi-P, saying he's all talk with no results. One poster labeled him as nothing more than a walking, talking ad campaign. To say he's accomplished nothing is not only short-sighted, but it’s also naïve. This man has single handedly restored faith in Final Fantasy XIV. He has not only stopped the exodus of players from the game, but he appears to be bringing people back. And he’s done something nobody else at Square Enix has ever done – he's mastered the art of communication – and with that, he's given the player base someone to rally behind.


A few things... So far all the changes that have been implemented have been fairly small scale. I won't go so far as to say he's accomplished "nothing", but instead I'd say its pretty minimal. Now that isn't to say he won't or can't make the sweeping changes he's talking about, only that, as of right now, it hasn't happened.

Have people come back? Or is this wishful thinking? Do we have unbiased numbers that show people have come back? If so, great. If not, well that's not something that should be claimed without some backing.

Yoshi-P is a very good speaker/writer. But that doesn't mean he's a good communicator. If he'd been on the ball, he'd have corrected the bit about new content in Feb wasn't what it was rumored to be. The jury is still out. We won't know for sure until stuff either gets done on (or near) schedule or things blow up badly.

In all honesty, I do hope you're right. I'd like to see another FF game that does well. Everyone is putting a lot of faith in Yoshi-P, but until we get some results (hopefully soon) we won't know if he's the real deal.
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#7 Mar 01 2011 at 1:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Have people come back? Or is this wishful thinking? Do we have unbiased numbers that show people have come back? If so, great. If not, well that's not something that should be claimed without some backing.


Obviously, there are no definitive server population numbers and haven't been since the /sea all was removed. However, that's why I say people "appear" to be coming back. I'm just going off my own observations on Gysahl server. The population seemed to steadily increase for awhile -- and many other posters noted similar increases in activities on their servers in a different thread -- although I haven't played enough over the past week to notice trends during that time. But, yeah, it -appears- people are coming back. I know that must be taken with a grain of salt, but even the /sea all function wasn't an adequate reflection of how many people were actively playing the game... I think the number of people at camps and in behest is a much better indicator of true server activity.

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#8 Mar 01 2011 at 2:03 AM Rating: Good
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Good read, my only beef with Yoshi-P is not really him, more so the people that elevate him to the next coming of jesus christ, when in reality most of the fixes etc etc, have been made by the old team, or where already underway when he toke charge of things, so is not like he has turned the ship around all on his own, or his ideas have saved the game, i mean, realistic speaking, any development team would have fixed the broken parts of the game, is not like it was fixed because Yoshi-P, but sure he is a very well spoken guy(Even tho he never gives a direct answer) and im pretty sure he has brought hope to many players etc etc.

I guess the content patch will either boost his momentum or brake it, atleast IMO.
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Yes, my apologies. You did in fact say "appears" and I meant to point that out. 27 hours with no sleep lessens one's cognitive skills significantly!

I suppose I ought to better sum it up with this: We've seen a lot of talk (virtually all of it, if it happens, will be a positive thing for the game, its fans and ultimately SE). So far the results have been minimal. And yes, I get the fact that remaking the game is going to take time. Really, I'm not expecting a miracle quite so soon.

Until I see some real changes, I'm going to remain skeptical. Now the last few patches HAVE lessened my skepticism to some degree. I absolutely, whole heartedly, one hundred percent think that Yoshi-P is willing to do what he can to make this the game that the fans want. But "willing to do" and "able to do" are two vastly different things.

I'd love to be wrong. I'm hoping I'm wrong. Much as I've burned by SE over the years, I really do want to see this game do well. Yoshi-P may have stopped the Titanic from taking on water, but he's got a LOT of bailing to do. :)

I'll take the wait and see approach.
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#10 Mar 01 2011 at 2:24 AM Rating: Good
Nicely done Thayos.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 6:06am by SmashingtonWho
#11 Mar 01 2011 at 3:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Even though I'm still of the opinion that the game has its foundations all set out wrong way beyond repair, what Yoshi (and his PR guys) did deserves a pat on the back, letting the players talk really helps soothe that tension in the air.

I'm still pessimistic nonetheless -.- boohoo

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All talk and no results, you say? Please.


Exactly. He hasn't done anything meaningful yet. His changes to the game did not make you write this editorial. The letter he gave us made you do it. Sure, you can like his way of doing PR but real results are still yet to be seen.
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Thayos, may I have permission from you to post that link on my website? Is that allowed automatically or should I ask?
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#14 Mar 01 2011 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
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I like Yoshi-P.... In other news, did anyone catch that last tidbit? I don't know if I'm reading too much in to it and I don't know what he means by "a few" but if the poll data wont be realeased until after patch 1.16, and the poll data should be released in "a few days" doesn't that mean we can expect patch 1.16 in less than "a few days"? Here's hoping for a patch within a week >.>

Edit: I called it

Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 10:54am by FinalSwag
#15 Mar 01 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Good
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I've been lurking on this site for quite some time and thought it was time I posted something.

First, I liked the article for the most part.

Second, I have been worried about the well being of this game.

Third, we are seeing changes.

Now, this update may not be the content that some of us wanted but it's definitely a good start and that's what makes me hopeful. We'll slowly be taking steps, every month, in the right direction. It may be slow and arduous but, eventually, I think we may have a game that we can all be proud to play. So all in all I'm still a little nervous but I think my confidence will be boosted a little more every month.
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I agree Yoshi is very positive and open in his works. My problem lies in the type of content of being added. Several hundred out of 10s of 1000s as Yoshi says, vote on options that are not fully explained in detail what that entails. If being open involves creating polls and announcing your plans. Then any director/producer can be open including Tanaka. If their boss tells them to be open. Open in my opinion is a game designer who gives knowledge about how they are designing features then discusses implementation with their community. Before implementing features or content. I am as nostalgic as the next guy when it comes to older ff titles. Bring chocobos, ariships, minigames, etc into the game. If not liking the current direction of the game makes me a troll? Then I guess I am one.

Regardless of the reason, I don't like that XI races were used again. I wanted new races, maybe Vierra, Gria or anything newly created. I don't want an auto attack battle system copy pasted from XI to XIV. I don't want the jobs copy pasted from XI to XIV. I don't want npc quest copy pasted from XI or any other mmorpg to XIV. I don't want another 100% themepark using systems drawn from Everquest or WoW. Maybe those systems work or worked before. But many of those systems can be improved upon in so many ways. The game failed due to reasons we all know. It didn't fail because it wasn't XI-2. This game has a sandbox soul and progression system. One that I adore, even though many things can be streamlined and expanded upon with content.

I don't want an XI-2, I didn't purchase a 1500 dollar computer for that reason. I loved the game XI, but played it 7 years. I want a fresh new take on an mmo, that is more than a themepark treadmill. I envisioned/hoped XIV to be a non linear rpg with non linear progression or goals. That had player driven content in addition to goal oriented content. I also want a job or class that can summon, Idc what it's called. I want a a vibrant world I can freely explore, jump, swim, fly inside. I want to run with my character atop a rainbow and parachute into a patch of pink wheat fields. I don't want to play a game that doesn't continue to strive for originality and fun in all aspects. I want a game to question old methods and try and improve upon any and everything. If the masses are content with rehashed gameplay with new coats of paint and polish. Then I don't want to be or play with the masses.
I want XIV to be this game is possible.

I just want a clear solid answer fromSE.
Either:
1.Our direction for this game is a traditonal themepark ride or XI-2.

2.This a brand new XIV, a blend of themepark and sandbox.

If SE can just make this answer clear then I canI can move on. Direction one I don't want to be a part of. Or direction two, I will be around for the long haul. Imo, old rehashed systems will never make this game have a massive base. It didn't work for XI, with the price on today's computers. I don't see it happening this time around. Only a game that with truly unique, engaging, features will warrant pc upgrades. I should be able to tell friends, this game is prettier than any mmo you played. And it has many features and original combat you can't find in any other mmo. Come play with me!
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I want a a vibrant world I can freely explore, jump, swim, fly inside. I want to run with my character atop a rainbow and parachute into a patch of pink wheat fields.

Lol I understand you want something fresh. I just couldnt help but hear Denis Leary's voice on the above quote though.

I hope we are all happy with the game eventually. Keep your head up. :)
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sandpark wrote:
I envisioned/hoped XIV to be a non linear rpg with non linear progression or goals. That had player driven content in addition to goal oriented content. I also want a job or class that can summon, Idc what it's called. I want a a vibrant world I can freely explore, jump, swim, fly inside. I want to run with my character atop a rainbow and parachute into a patch of pink wheat fields. I don't want to play a game that doesn't continue to strive for originality and fun in all aspects. I want a game to question old methods and try and improve upon any and everything. If the masses are content with rehashed gameplay with new coats of paint and polish. Then I don't want to be or play with the masses.
I want XIV to be this game is possible.


If you gonna be so restrictive on what you expect from agame then you might as well become a game designer and make your own game. Also, pray that the people that you target your game at are more flexible than you because probability wise they won't want the same out of the game as you.

sandpark wrote:

I just want a clear solid answer fromSE.
Either:
1.Our direction for this game is a traditonal themepark ride or XI-2.

2.This a brand new XIV, a blend of themepark and sandbox.

If SE can just make this answer clear then I canI can move on. Direction one I don't want to be a part of. Or direction two, I will be around for the long haul. Imo, old rehashed systems will never make this game have a massive base. It didn't work for XI, with the price on today's computers. I don't see it happening this time around. Only a game that with truly unique, engaging, features will warrant pc upgrades. I should be able to tell friends, this game is prettier than any mmo you played. And it has many features and original combat you can't find in any other mmo. Come play with me!


If you really think that XIV is just a preattier version of XI then you either haven't played XIV or XI (you mentioned 7 years) for that long, with the exception of the visuals in tha reces there isn't that much that can be considered the same as XI. Even the race background is different between XI and XIV.

What you need to see as well is that FF's apeal (in my opinion) is that although with little changes you have things that remain the same, be them Airships, Chocoboo's, spells, abilities and even characters (I'm still looking to Find Cid in XIV). As such there will be much more in XIV which will remind you of XI just because XI reminds you of most ofther FFs than came before.
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I have to disagree. While he may be the right guy for the job, he hasn't proven anything yet. hes talked a lot, and all we've seen delivered are some market improvements/compromises and a lot of adjustments to numbers. Buffing SP in one patch and reducing it in the next, is not actually 2 patches. We've been through the cycle twice now, he says a bunch of stuff that makes people love him, then disappoints most people, then writes another letter from the producer and throws up another poll and people are in love with him again.

When he delivers a patch that improves the game experience for me, and not just the usability, then I'll start agreeing that hes doing a good job. This editorial feels one miracle patch early.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 9:08am by KujaKoF
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Hugus wrote:
sandpark wrote:

I just want a clear solid answer fromSE.
Either:
1.Our direction for this game is a traditonal themepark ride or XI-2.

2.This a brand new XIV, a blend of themepark and sandbox.

If SE can just make this answer clear then I canI can move on. Direction one I don't want to be a part of. Or direction two, I will be around for the long haul. Imo, old rehashed systems will never make this game have a massive base. It didn't work for XI, with the price on today's computers. I don't see it happening this time around. Only a game that with truly unique, engaging, features will warrant pc upgrades. I should be able to tell friends, this game is prettier than any mmo you played. And it has many features and original combat you can't find in any other mmo. Come play with me!


If you really think that XIV is just a preattier version of XI then you either haven't played XIV or XI (you mentioned 7 years) for that long, with the exception of the visuals in tha reces there isn't that much that can be considered the same as XI. Even the race background is different between XI and XIV.

What you need to see as well is that FF's apeal (in my opinion) is that although with little changes you have things that remain the same, be them Airships, Chocoboo's, spells, abilities and even characters (I'm still looking to Find Cid in XIV). As such there will be much more in XIV which will remind you of XI just because XI reminds you of most ofther FFs than came before.


Hes talking about the direction the game is heading.. he wants more clarity whether its going to look more like XI or not..

And about yoshi-p; that people are so easily satisfied with this guy shows how desperately people want this game to be good. He sure is good at coming over open and lighthearted and its a good thing that hes communicating with us but im not really convinced of his ability of putting his money where his mouth is. I truly hope 1.16 will prove me wrong.
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KujaKoF wrote:
I have to disagree. While he may be the right guy for the job, he hasn't proven anything yet. hes talked a lot, and all we've seen delivered are some market improvements/compromises and a lot of adjustments to numbers. Buffing SP in one patch and reducing it in the next, is not actually 2 patches. We've been through the cycle twice now, he says a bunch of stuff that makes people love him, then disappoints most people, then writes another letter from the producer and throws up another poll and people are in love with him again.

When he delivers a patch that improves the game experience for me, and not just the usability, then I'll start agreeing that hes doing a good job. This editorial feels one miracle patch early.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 9:08am by KujaKoF


This is why people who do not play the game should not have any right to speak.... He did NOT reduce SP he reduced XP ONLY on crafts... You have no clue what your talking about.

He has done NOTHING to let us down (yet) but delay patch 1.16B or whatever it is called a few DAYS!. People grow up....

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 11:07am by dnored

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just tried to open up the editorial and it's not displaying correctly...just shows and endif statement.
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I've been a long time supporter of XIV. Even though I haven't logged in in some time, I do however check out each update, fiddle around for a bit. As of yet, XIV doesnt offer me the gameplay I want. I have patience and believe Yoshi P will do great things for this game. He's already spear headed the SP/XP changes (For the better) He has his eyes set on the battle system next. He's doing exactly what he said he would do. Adjust and create a fun world to play in, it takes time, and has to be done in steps. Small steps. We aren't going to see night and day changes from patch to patch. But compaired to launch, six months ago, this game has undergone some significant adjustments. As this new team lays their foundation and implements game systems it serves as a highway for accelerated pace for creation of new game content.

So while the next few months may be small steps for FFXIV content they are leaps and bounds for FFXIV future.

If I had it my way, the team would forgo the creation of content and focus on systems. But they need to appeal to everyones wants. So we get a little of both. No use complaining about it.
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He’s doing a good job.
and he is very open minded, we do want a dev team like this.

but unfortunately, im still angry at the previous dev team/leadership
for messing up what i had been looking forward to for years.
yoshi, you are inspiring and revitalising the game,
and i am waiting with great anticipation to see what
game YOU plan on making.

my frustrations with the game is to do with its launch,
and the poor state the previous "Director" left it in.
and unfortunately, its still preventing me from enjoying the game fully.
i love FFXI, met some great people.
but there was so much to do. some of it boring, some of it unacceptable.
some of it just right
so until you’ve actually made these changes, i cant enjoy the game.
and so wont play much-if at all.

but understand.
I have faith in you as a director, and i believe you can fix and restore "FFXI" and make it a worthy FINAL FANTASY title.

i cant play expectation.
but your doing a good job!
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LukeA wrote:
He’s doing a good job.
and he is very open minded, we do want a dev team like this.

but unfortunately, im still angry at the previous dev team/leadership
for messing up what i had been looking forward to for years.
yoshi, you are inspiring and revitalising the game,
and i am waiting with great anticipation to see what
game YOU plan on making.

my frustrations with the game is to do with its launch,
and the poor state the previous "Director" left it in.
and unfortunately, its still preventing me from enjoying the game fully.
i love FFXI, met some great people.
but there was so much to do. some of it boring, some of it unacceptable.
some of it just right
so until you’ve actually made these changes, i cant enjoy the game.
and so wont play much-if at all.

but understand.
I have faith in you as a director, and i believe you can fix and restore "FFXI" and make it a worthy FINAL FANTASY title.

i cant play expectation.
but your doing a good job!


Get
Over
it......

I do understand your feelings but that was half a year ago.. Leave the game or play the game. Stop hating on something that SE has paid for (millions of lost dollars with 5-6 free months already) and is willing to spend the time and money to correct. Plus they also let the old team go. They are not running things anymore.

Get
Over
It.....

You are mad at people who have nothing to do with this game anymore. Thats a little sad IMHO.



Edited, Mar 1st 2011 11:15am by dnored
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dnored wrote:
LukeA wrote:
He’s doing a good job.
and he is very open minded, we do want a dev team like this.

but unfortunately, im still angry at the previous dev team/leadership
for messing up what i had been looking forward to for years.
yoshi, you are inspiring and revitalising the game,
and i am waiting with great anticipation to see what
game YOU plan on making.

my frustrations with the game is to do with its launch,
and the poor state the previous "Director" left it in.
and unfortunately, its still preventing me from enjoying the game fully.
i love FFXI, met some great people.
but there was so much to do. some of it boring, some of it unacceptable.
some of it just right
so until you’ve actually made these changes, i cant enjoy the game.
and so wont play much-if at all.

but understand.
I have faith in you as a director, and i believe you can fix and restore "FFXI" and make it a worthy FINAL FANTASY title.

i cant play expectation.
but your doing a good job!


Get
Over
it......

I do understand your feelings but that was half a year ago.. Leave the game or play the game. Stop hating on something that SE has paid for (millions of lost dollars with 5-6 free months already) and is willing to spend the time and money to correct. Plus they also let the old team go. They are not running things anymore.

Get
Over
It.....

You are mad at people who have nothing to do with this game anymore. Thats a little sad IMHO.



Edited, Mar 1st 2011 11:15am by dnored

At the end of the day.. The blame is all on SE. And SE still has something to do with the game.

It's certainly a nice feeling to lay all of the disappointment and anger at the feet of the old dev team but it doesn't really work that way.
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sandpark wrote:
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I just want a clear solid answer fromSE.
Either:
1.Our direction for this game is a traditonal themepark ride or XI-2.

2.This a brand new XIV, a blend of themepark and sandbox.

If SE can just make this answer clear then I canI can move on. Direction one I don't want to be a part of. Or direction two, I will be around for the long haul. Imo, old rehashed systems will never make this game have a massive base. It didn't work for XI, with the price on today's computers. I don't see it happening this time around. Only a game that with truly unique, engaging, features will warrant pc upgrades. I should be able to tell friends, this game is prettier than any mmo you played. And it has many features and original combat you can't find in any other mmo. Come play with me!


I'm sorry, but this is an answer they can not give. Not because they want to (based on the responsiveness currently, I am sure they would if they could), not because they don't know, but rather because the question is a red herring to itself.

The game has no direction yet. That is a known, and is understood and expressed. it has been derailed, and right now they are trying to get it back on the tracks. And by on the tracks, create a Final Fantasy game that people expect from SE.

With that being said, they admitted that they didn't even know what that meant going into this project. And they are working on (through the use of the open-ended polls, and forum reading and general interaction and game play) understanding what that means, and build off it.

They have a framework to build off of, and short of shutting everything down and starting from scratch, the only other option they have is take a step back, and see what is wrong with the game. Once that is fixed (and based on personal experience from a full product rewrite for commercial software, that is 3-6 months) they can start working out a direction of the game.

So, for what you are asking for will not be visible to them until May at the earliest, and most likely until August. As for us, depending on how well they hold to their communication, we are looking at early September to nearly December before we see it fully mature in the game.

That is being conservative, but all things considered, we are talking about a rewrite of the combat engine. A possible redesign of the characters and stats. A minor redesign of the mobs. Introduction of PVE/PVP. World expansion. Overhaul of the character transportation system (chocobos, airships, teleports).

While we will see direction added as these features are fixed/rolled out, until it's all in-place (or this guy really is the best thing since sliced cheese), the direction of the game doesn't exist.

I would say that if you need direction at this point, you are one of the people they are trying to win back. If you still play the game, you are stronger then most who need direction in the game, and your dedication is impressive. Now it's a matter of patience. Can you wait 6 more months for it, as the game evolves into either something playable, or something that needs to be flushed down the toilet? I imagine that is a question that most of us who play ask ourselves regularly. And while we wait, we hopefully keep getting things that add to the fun of this completely pointless waste.
#30 Mar 01 2011 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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I just want a clear solid answer fromSE.
Either:
1.Our direction for this game is a traditonal themepark ride or XI-2.

2.This a brand new XIV, a blend of themepark and sandbox.

If SE can just make this answer clear then I canI can move on. Direction one I don't want to be a part of. Or direction two, I will be around for the long haul. Imo, old rehashed systems will never make this game have a massive base. It didn't work for XI, with the price on today's computers. I don't see it happening this time around. Only a game that with truly unique, engaging, features will warrant pc upgrades. I should be able to tell friends, this game is prettier than any mmo you played. And it has many features and original combat you can't find in any other mmo. Come play with me!


I'm sorry, but this is an answer they can not give. Not because they want to (based on the responsiveness currently, I am sure they would if they could), not because they don't know, but rather because the question is a red herring to itself.

The game has no direction yet. That is a known, and is understood and expressed. it has been derailed, and right now they are trying to get it back on the tracks. And by on the tracks, create a Final Fantasy game that people expect from SE.

With that being said, they admitted that they didn't even know what that meant going into this project. And they are working on (through the use of the open-ended polls, and forum reading and general interaction and game play) understanding what that means, and build off it.

They have a framework to build off of, and short of shutting everything down and starting from scratch, the only other option they have is take a step back, and see what is wrong with the game. Once that is fixed (and based on personal experience from a full product rewrite for commercial software, that is 3-6 months) they can start working out a direction of the game.

So, for what you are asking for will not be visible to them until May at the earliest, and most likely until August. As for us, depending on how well they hold to their communication, we are looking at early September to nearly December before we see it fully mature in the game.

That is being conservative, but all things considered, we are talking about a rewrite of the combat engine. A possible redesign of the characters and stats. A minor redesign of the mobs. Introduction of PVE/PVP. World expansion. Overhaul of the character transportation system (chocobos, airships, teleports).

While we will see direction added as these features are fixed/rolled out, until it's all in-place (or this guy really is the best thing since sliced cheese), the direction of the game doesn't exist.

I would say that if you need direction at this point, you are one of the people they are trying to win back. If you still play the game, you are stronger then most who need direction in the game, and your dedication is impressive. Now it's a matter of patience. Can you wait 6 more months for it, as the game evolves into either something playable, or something that needs to be flushed down the toilet? I imagine that is a question that most of us who play ask ourselves regularly. And while we wait, we hopefully keep getting things that add to the fun of this completely pointless waste.


If they have no VISION of where they are taking this game to, then they have no business making games really, wtf are they gonna do ? introduce features and change them on the go if people dont like them ? REALLY ?
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MrTalos wrote:
dnored wrote:
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He’s doing a good job.
and he is very open minded, we do want a dev team like this.

but unfortunately, im still angry at the previous dev team/leadership
for messing up what i had been looking forward to for years.
yoshi, you are inspiring and revitalising the game,
and i am waiting with great anticipation to see what
game YOU plan on making.

my frustrations with the game is to do with its launch,
and the poor state the previous "Director" left it in.
and unfortunately, its still preventing me from enjoying the game fully.
i love FFXI, met some great people.
but there was so much to do. some of it boring, some of it unacceptable.
some of it just right
so until you’ve actually made these changes, i cant enjoy the game.
and so wont play much-if at all.

but understand.
I have faith in you as a director, and i believe you can fix and restore "FFXI" and make it a worthy FINAL FANTASY title.

i cant play expectation.
but your doing a good job!


Get
Over
it......

I do understand your feelings but that was half a year ago.. Leave the game or play the game. Stop hating on something that SE has paid for (millions of lost dollars with 5-6 free months already) and is willing to spend the time and money to correct. Plus they also let the old team go. They are not running things anymore.

Get
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You are mad at people who have nothing to do with this game anymore. Thats a little sad IMHO.



Edited, Mar 1st 2011 11:15am by dnored

At the end of the day.. The blame is all on SE. And SE still has something to do with the game.

It's certainly a nice feeling to lay all of the disappointment and anger at the feet of the old dev team but it doesn't really work that way.


The blame IS on SE thats why we have not paid a fee in 5-6 months and that is why there is a new dev team. No one is debating that. They are fixing it so leave and see if you like it in 6 months or:

GET
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Wrong dude.. It DOES work that way.
YOU are choosing to continue play
YOU are choosing to post on a dedicated FF14 forum (which i never understand i dont post on WOW forums BECAUSE I DONT LIKE THE GAME why the **** would i be there?) (Hint)
YOU are choosing to ignore the many updates/changes SE has made to the game already
YOU are choosing to ignore the many future updates in the NEW dev teams letters
YOU are choosing to ignore the HUGE difference from the old dev team to the new dev team (communication, frequent updates etc)
YOU are choosin to ignore that there IS a new dev team.

YOU are choosing to ignore all of this and YOU chose to stay mad at a dev team that has already been dismissed long ago and was almost forced to write an apology letter to its fans.

Your sad IMHO. and it DOES work that work that way. You have a right to your own opinion i get that but some peoples views are sad IMO.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 2:09pm by dnored
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yeah, but now the front page of the ffxiv website is cut off...

front page wont load and editorial is only 1 line of text.

coding problem or using something new that i dont have installed?
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I betcha he's in Ishgard.



I betcha he's the one flying the airship around and laughing at us from 10,000 feet in the air.

STOP PUNISHING US CID!!

Yeah, ZAM main page is 1/3 the size it was yesterday and I'm only seeing one line of text in the Editorial link :(
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SplatterPattern wrote:
Razzazzika wrote:
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(I'm still looking to Find Cid in XIV).

I betcha he's in Ishgard.



I betcha he's the one flying the airship around and laughing at us from 10,000 feet in the air.

STOP PUNISHING US CID!!

Yeah, ZAM main page is 1/3 the size it was yesterday and I'm only seeing one line of text in the Editorial link :(


Same symptoms here, not the full front page and only one line of the editorial.
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#35 Mar 01 2011 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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The blame IS on SE thats why we have not paid a fee in 5-6 months and that is why there is a new dev team. No one is debating that. They are fixing it so leave and see if you like it in 6 months or:

GET
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Wrong dude.. It DOES work that way.
YOU are choosing to continue play
YOU are choosing to post on a dedicated FF14 forum (which i never understand i dont post on WOW forums BECAUSE I DONT LIKE THE GAME why the **** would i be there?) (Hint)
YOU are choosing to ignore the many updates/changes SE has made to the game already
YOU are choosing to ignore the many future updates in the NEW dev teams letters
YOU are choosing to ignore the HUGE difference from the old dev team to the new dev team (communication, frequent updates etc)
YOU are choosin to ignore that there IS a new dev team.

YOU are choosing to ignore all of this and YOU chose to stay mad at a dev team that has already been dismissed long ago and was almost forced to write an apology letter to its fans.

Your sad IMHO. and it DOES work that work that way. You have a right to your own opinion i get that but some peoples views are sad IMO.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 2:09pm by dnored


You're cute when you're angry :P

But what's not so cute is the massive hate-filled attack you're created here. And for what, really? Someone disagrees with your opinion? On the internet?

And it's not even for a principled cause, either, like discussing the benefits and downfalls of unionization. This is a game, for Pete's sake. It's purely a matter of taste and preference. You shouldn't lose a gasket over every person who doesn't enjoy the same games you do. It's not something you should be taking personally. It's not like you had anything to do with the creation or development of FFXIV.

Speaking of people's views that are sad--Is this your way of telling everyone about what a wonderful time you can have playing FFXIV? By taking a **** down the throat of someone who doesn't like it? Why aren't you an advertising exec with gold like this?
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MrStyles wrote:
SplatterPattern wrote:
Razzazzika wrote:
Quote:
(I'm still looking to Find Cid in XIV).

I betcha he's in Ishgard.



I betcha he's the one flying the airship around and laughing at us from 10,000 feet in the air.

STOP PUNISHING US CID!!

Yeah, ZAM main page is 1/3 the size it was yesterday and I'm only seeing one line of text in the Editorial link :(


Same symptoms here, not the full front page and only one line of the editorial.


Same problem here. And if I try to follow the link in the post, there's nothing there either.
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thayos, the next time you post an editorial could copy/paste it into a thread? the links to any of your editorials never works for me. some other people seem to have this issue as well.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 7:40pm by Keysofgaruda
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thayos, the next time you post an editorial could copy/paste it into a thread? the links to any of your editorials never works for me. some other people seem to have this issue as well.


This is what I'm getting-
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Yoshi-P has won our trust by adhering to his schedule and holding nothing back.
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Funnily enough, I think I want to respond to that opening sentence. Saying he has adhered to his schedule is questionable. The last significant thing we were told was "two updates a month," and in their first chance to deliver, they failed. Now, I don't mind if it's two a month or not, but by their own admission and apology they've not been able to deliver on this so far..


I like Yoshida, I like the openness and the casual tone he conveys. Whether this game makes it or not, it is refreshing to have him leading things in the style that he is. Yet I have to agree with a post like this:

KujaKoF wrote:
... While he may be the right guy for the job, he hasn't proven anything yet. hes talked a lot, and all we've seen delivered are some market improvements/compromises and a lot of adjustments to numbers. Buffing SP in one patch and reducing it in the next, is not actually 2 patches. We've been through the cycle twice now, he says a bunch of stuff that makes people love him, then disappoints most people, then writes another letter from the producer and throws up another poll and people are in love with him again.

When he delivers a patch that improves the game experience for me, and not just the usability, then I'll start agreeing that hes doing a good job. This editorial feels one miracle patch early.
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SplatterPattern wrote:
Razzazzika wrote:
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(I'm still looking to Find Cid in XIV).

I betcha he's in Ishgard.



I betcha he's the one flying the airship around and laughing at us from 10,000 feet in the air.

STOP PUNISHING US CID!!


No this time he's the Garlean Emperor.
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I do find what one person pointed out in this thread to be quite funny. The fact that some people make Yoshi-P out to basically be Jesus Christ. I'm hoping that I'm not part of that group lol. I just wonder what changes the previous team were actually going to do. I don't think that it is a stretch to say that the new team implemented updates that the previous team made. I think that it would be rather foolish to think otherwise. I do feel that this new team is going in a very different direction than the previous team. Yoshi-P is no Jesus Christ, at least to me, but he is definitely what SE needs right now. He may not give very direct answers, but I never really have had a problem understanding what he has said.

I feel that he has been delivering on what he has promised. Yes, there haven't been huge major changes, that is a given. The thing is, he didn't say that anything like that was going to happen right away. I know that most of us were expecting some big update at the end of February, but I don't really remember him saying that for a fact that was going to happen. We did get our two updates, even though the last one was rather small lol. Things are going, more or less, how I expect them to be going with the new team. I know some people may have higher expectations than me as far as this goes lol. But, so far, I haven't really been surprised at the speed of how things are moving along. Yoshi-P said it was going to be like this and I'm fine with it.

I really like the fact that I get to know the dev team on a bit more personal level. I think that is important, at least for me it is. But, what really gets me to understand Yoshi-P is the way he writes his letters. Him saying how he really doesn't like flying is really cool and all, but I really get to understand him by the way he writes. Not sure if that makes any sense, but it does for me lol. Gives me more of an insight on who he is and how he feels about things. Anyhoo, here is to hoping that Yoshi-san and the team keeps doing what they say they are going to do. Also, please surprise us too. I would really love to get on after an update and get totally blown away. Surprise! Your very own Chocobo! That would be cool.
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dnored wrote:
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At the end of the day.. The blame is all on SE. And SE still has something to do with the game.

It's certainly a nice feeling to lay all of the disappointment and anger at the feet of the old dev team but it doesn't really work that way.


The blame IS on SE thats why we have not paid a fee in 5-6 months and that is why there is a new dev team. No one is debating that. They are fixing it so leave and see if you like it in 6 months or:

GET
OVER
IT......

Wrong dude.. It DOES work that way.
YOU are choosing to continue play
YOU are choosing to post on a dedicated FF14 forum (which i never understand i dont post on WOW forums BECAUSE I DONT LIKE THE GAME why the **** would i be there?) (Hint)
YOU are choosing to ignore the many updates/changes SE has made to the game already
YOU are choosing to ignore the many future updates in the NEW dev teams letters
YOU are choosing to ignore the HUGE difference from the old dev team to the new dev team (communication, frequent updates etc)
YOU are choosin to ignore that there IS a new dev team.

YOU are choosing to ignore all of this and YOU chose to stay mad at a dev team that has already been dismissed long ago and was almost forced to write an apology letter to its fans.

Your sad IMHO. and it DOES work that work that way. You have a right to your own opinion i get that but some peoples views are sad IMO.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 2:09pm by dnored

I'm certainly disappointed but not really sad. SE made a decision to release the game months (if not a year) early. They played upon the loyalty and goodwill of some of their most avid customers to get some money and just figured they would "get over it" or "suck it up" or whatever. That makes it a little harder to to trust SE.

Most people here are still giving them a chance to show they are committed to making things right but aren't going to go on blind faith. There have been improvements and there are even more planned but people are still going to be wary of the future.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 1:42pm by MrTalos
#42 Mar 02 2011 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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I've been playing XI and actually having FUN. I didn't even realize how little fun I was having in XIV until ACTUALLY having fun in XI. I'm glad Yoshi is bringing hope to some people, but I for one, am not coming back for a handful of quests, a big empty world, and the promise that I can't depend on the things I like about the game staying in it for the long haul.

I probably won't play again until PS3 release. Good luck Yoshi.
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I've been playing FFXIV and actually having FUN.
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I do find what one person pointed out in this thread to be quite funny. The fact that some people make Yoshi-P out to basically be Jesus Christ. I'm hoping that I'm not part of that group lol. I just wonder what changes the previous team were actually going to do. I don't think that it is a stretch to say that the new team implemented updates that the previous team made. I think that it would be rather foolish to think otherwise. I do feel that this new team is going in a very different direction than the previous team. Yoshi-P is no Jesus Christ, at least to me, but he is definitely what SE needs right now. He may not give very direct answers, but I never really have had a problem understanding what he has said.

I feel that he has been delivering on what he has promised. Yes, there haven't been huge major changes, that is a given. The thing is, he didn't say that anything like that was going to happen right away. I know that most of us were expecting some big update at the end of February, but I don't really remember him saying that for a fact that was going to happen. We did get our two updates, even though the last one was rather small lol. Things are going, more or less, how I expect them to be going with the new team. I know some people may have higher expectations than me as far as this goes lol. But, so far, I haven't really been surprised at the speed of how things are moving along. Yoshi-P said it was going to be like this and I'm fine with it.

I really like the fact that I get to know the dev team on a bit more personal level. I think that is important, at least for me it is. But, what really gets me to understand Yoshi-P is the way he writes his letters. Him saying how he really doesn't like flying is really cool and all, but I really get to understand him by the way he writes. Not sure if that makes any sense, but it does for me lol. Gives me more of an insight on who he is and how he feels about things. Anyhoo, here is to hoping that Yoshi-san and the team keeps doing what they say they are going to do. Also, please surprise us too. I would really love to get on after an update and get totally blown away. Surprise! Your very own Chocobo! That would be cool.


I'm glad somebody read what i wrote and dint go "Oh he said yoshi is not jesus christ, lets default him" Lmao
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I'm glad somebody read what i wrote and dint go "Oh he said yoshi is not jesus christ, lets default him" Lmao


I find people that have that kind of automatic reaction to be quite silly. Those type of people rate you down no matter how you word what you have to say. If you have a differing opinion, you're going to be in "Default Land". I personally like people voicing their opinion, regardless as to whether or not I agree with you. I guess I'm just weird for wanting my thoughts to be challenged from time to time >__>
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#46 Mar 02 2011 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
I still can't read the editorial either. Bummers. Anywho.....

I think the big thing people are missing is they should have seen this coming. FFXI was out for an entire year before they even released in NA. From what I can remember it wasn’t exactly a walk in the park either. To assume that S.E. would have learned from previous games is a stretch. They are notorious for doing exactly the things that happen at go live for FFXIV.

I am a more casual player and the changes I see give me hope. I stopped playing shortly after release because of the video driver crash issues. I have been back just about two weeks now and the changes are very obvious. The UI is much more responsive. Mob pathing has improved. Thanks to the new options added to game configuration I am now able to play crash free.

Things take time. Tanaka seems to have done his best at derailing the game. It’s not so easy to just dive in and clean up someone else’s mess. It makes me very happy to see that Yoshi has an actual outline of what needs to be done. If that means some people leave while the changes happen so be it. To each there own.
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#47 Mar 02 2011 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
To those of you who couldn't open it...

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Yoshi-P has won our trust by adhering to his schedule and holding nothing back.

If you need further evidence that Naoki Yoshida is the right man to lead Final Fantasy XIV, then look at what happened during the past two weeks.

On Feb. 17, an update on the Lodestone Web site announced Patch 1.15b would be released the same day. Because Naoki "Yoshi-P" Yoshida told us to expect the first batch of quests to be implemented after the beginning of February, many of us assumed this would be the update that finally brought quests to the game. We were wrong.

Frustration, doubt and trolling filled the forums in the days following the anti-climactic Patch 1.15b, and who could blame us for feeling a little upset? Even those of us who are having fun playing the game are yearning for content to fill this beautiful, empty world. Getting nothing from what we thought would be a significant patch was definitely disappointing.

Yoshi-P needed just one week to restore optimism among the playerbase. Two weeks later, many of us are giddy with excitement over what’s about to come.

First, he posted an outline of the upcoming Patch 1.16, which revved up excitement in the forums. The outline for the patch, which is schedule for release in early March, includes items such as world quests, storyline quests, magic point refresh, adjustments to item wear and improvements to the targeting system.

The next day, he posted the second FFXIV Players' Poll, this time surveying players about possible changes to the battle system. His poll delved into serious topics ranging from implementing auto attack to adding instanced battlefields.

Then, earlier today, Yoshi-P posted his fourth Letter from the Producer on the Lodestone Web site. He explained the implementation of side quests had been delayed "for a few days" to ensure quality in the North American and European versions of the game. Then he briefed us on the upcoming official forums, and he showed us concept designs of class-specific armor – strikingly similar to black mage and dark knight artifact armor – that will eventually be added to the game.

And in between those two postings, Yoshi-P swung through Europe and gave an open, informative interview to finalfantasy14.eu.

Some people still criticize Yoshi-P, saying he's all talk with no results. One poster labeled him as nothing more than a walking, talking ad campaign. To say he's accomplished nothing is not only short-sighted, but it’s also naïve. This man has single-handedly restored faith in Final Fantasy XIV. He has not only stopped the exodus of players from the game, but he appears to be bringing people back. And he’s done something nobody else at Square Enix has ever done – he's mastered the art of communication – and with that, he's given the playerbase someone to rally behind.

All talk and no results, you say? Please.

If you read back over everything Yoshi-P has told us so far, he hasn’t said anything that he didn’t follow through on. Trolls and critics will quickly point out that quests weren’t implemented in February as he originally indicated. However, he never said quests would definitely be released in February – we did – and secondly, if Patch 1.16 arrives as scheduled, the quests will only be a couple of weeks late. That’s pretty darn good, considering everything on Yoshi-P’s massive laundry list.

If you look back to Yoshi-P's first Letter to the Producer, you'll notice one of his top priorities is improving the game's battle system. In his letter (which preceded Patch 1.15a), he says, "Though the next version update will introduce a relatively small number of changes, preparations are already underway to bring further improvements in the near future via a number of smaller-scale patches, including the release of quests and system-side adjustments. At present, we intend for something new to be released about twice a month. Overhauls to the battle system and user interface will also be ongoing, which will make it easier for the players to enjoy the new quests and content being released."

Looking back, Yoshi-P is keeping his word of implementing about two updates per month. He’s virtually on schedule for implementing quests. He has overhauled, and is still overhauling, the battle system and user interface. And if the second Players' Poll is any indication, he’s still planning meaningful revisions to the battle system.

And through it all, the new producer continues to keep us apprised on everything being worked on by the development team, regardless of how close each feature is to being deployed.

It's time for us to stop being so paranoid about this game's future, and to start having a little more faith in this new development team. It's time to accept that Yoshi-P's promotion was more than a PR move (which, to be honest, is exactly what I thought when he was first promoted). For years, those of us who played Final Fantasy XI begged for a development team as open as this. Now, we've got it, and anyone who's not a troll should be thankful.

It's time to let Yoshi-P work his magic. For his first trick, he reinvigorated the playerbase of a game without content. I can't wait to see what he's going to do next.
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#48 Mar 03 2011 at 1:27 AM Rating: Good
I can appreciate why many players are not having fun. Honestly, I have no doubt that playing FFXI is currently, overall, more fun than FFXIV for a number of reasons. Besides, I have a good deal of respect for Olorinus, and I understand that the current situation where the new Dev team seems to want, once again, to try and make everyone happy with FFXIV could spell disaster for the core FF fan base. There is a risk that some of the proposed changes will alienate the core fans, regardless of the Player Poll results.

On topic: I think that Yoshi-P is very much a PR move. A brilliant one. Perhaps a front man for FFXIV that is personable and good humored would have been a good idea from the beginning. He is doing exactly what Thayos is praising him for, providing hope.

I also think Tanaka is getting thrown under the bus. He led the project for 5+ years. Anything that you DO like about FFXIV should be pinned on him (and his team). According to SE, he is still very much part of the ongoing design process. Any business would be a fool to fire their most knowledgeable project lead over a bad public reception. Public demotion (at the same salary perhaps), why not? The decision to release FFXIV (too early) was surely a shared decision by many.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 4:42am by SmashingtonWho
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"Yoshi-P has won our trust by adhering to his schedule and holding nothing back."

Who is referred to in this "our" bit? He hasn't proven anything to me yet.

And saying that "anyone who is not a troll should be thankful" really adds merit to your article there, bro. I'm not a troll, yet so far I'm not feeling very thankful.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 4:38am by Zorvan
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#50 Mar 03 2011 at 5:40 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks Thayos for posting it as a post. I always like to read your editorials and was sad I couldn't view this one for whatever reason.
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Yoshi-P got it right!
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