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#1 Mar 01 2011 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyone know where miter shells are listed? Can we please get a search function that lets us search by typing in an item?
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#2 Mar 01 2011 at 3:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do an item search on Zam and it will show what its listed as. In your case Miter Shell is Saltwater Fare.

Seen here: http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=10006113
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#3 Mar 01 2011 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
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thx for the info rated up!
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#4 Mar 01 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Alkerr's method is how i find items im unfamiliar with too. Some items are just a bit obscure if you do not deal with them regularly.
also if you want to farm the shells, go mining by bloodshore
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#5 Mar 01 2011 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Anyone know where miter shells are listed? Can we please get a search function that lets us search by typing in an item?


You could not search but typing in the item in FF11 either. this has nothin to do with MW its just a feature missing.
DC universe has it and im sure SE can add it but this is a pretty small complaint as its very easy to find where it would be located.

On the flip said When they add this feature it will be much great. But this search feature has nothin to do with the MW. Lets stop the trolling MW is here to stay and its to a point now where its useful and fast not UNusefull and takes to much time.
#6 Mar 01 2011 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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dnored wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Anyone know where miter shells are listed? Can we please get a search function that lets us search by typing in an item?


You could not search but typing in the item in FF11 either. this has nothin to do with MW its just a feature missing.
DC universe has it and im sure SE can add it but this is a pretty small complaint as its very easy to find where it would be located.

On the flip said When they add this feature it will be much great. But this search feature has nothin to do with the MW. Lets stop the trolling MW is here to stay and its to a point now where its useful and fast not UNusefull and takes to much time.



I'm not trolling its a legit gripe. Also having to resummon retainers after market ward crashes or server down time is a bad thing about market wards too. The added time it takes to load into the different wards, the time it takes to run between different retainers in those wards, the time the slow menu takes to interact with those retainers are a few more reason wards are not my favorite Auction House replacement.
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#7 Mar 01 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
dnored wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Anyone know where miter shells are listed? Can we please get a search function that lets us search by typing in an item?


You could not search but typing in the item in FF11 either. this has nothin to do with MW its just a feature missing.
DC universe has it and im sure SE can add it but this is a pretty small complaint as its very easy to find where it would be located.

On the flip said When they add this feature it will be much great. But this search feature has nothin to do with the MW. Lets stop the trolling MW is here to stay and its to a point now where its useful and fast not UNusefull and takes to much time.



I'm not trolling its a legit gripe. Also having to resummon retainers after market ward crashes or server down time is a bad thing about market wards too. The added time it takes to load into the different wards, the time it takes to run between different retainers in those wards, the time the slow menu takes to interact with those retainers are a few more reason wards are not my favorite Auction House replacement.



some of us tend to think of the retainers needing to be resummoned as the same thing as the AH timer running out and item being returned....it is along the same lines
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#9 Mar 01 2011 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Vedis wrote:
some of us tend to think of the retainers needing to be resummoned as the same thing as the AH timer running out and item being returned....it is along the same lines


That's more along the lines of the stalls (which I like to rent), expiring after 24 hours. However, I rarely even get my full 24 hours of stall time.

I'd like to see wards with all retainers in stalls/shops and adding an extension to the rental time so that you could at least rent a stall for a couple days.
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Miter shells are in the Tanner Ward under Armor.
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xbai wrote:
Miter shells are in the Tanner Ward under Armor.


They are actually in the groceries ward under seafood fares.
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#12 Mar 01 2011 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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Hugus wrote:
Let haters keep hating and let lovers keep playing the game!


I'm not a hater. I play the game almost daily and I even have gotten my wife to start playing as of 2/11/11. Even people who enjoy the game can have gripes with it. I have played several MMOs over the years and love them or not none of them were perfect. FFXIV is just a little less perfect than some of my favorites at the time I played them.



Edited, Mar 1st 2011 7:01pm by UncleRuckusForLife
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NayliaMR wrote:
adding an extension to the rental time so that you could at least rent a stall for a couple days.


You can, but you have to be physically there to do that.
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Khornette wrote:
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adding an extension to the rental time so that you could at least rent a stall for a couple days.


You can, but you have to be physically there to do that.


Yup, problem is I don't get to play every day - so I can't visit them everyday to reup my rental. I realize they want stalls to turn over, but currently they are completely empty and almost no one uses them, so individuals hogging the stalls isn't really a problem. I'd like to have a multi-day rental option. Choose to rent for 1, 2, or 3 days. It'd be nice if everyone was in stalls and they gave the place a little more character to it.

Or even better, buy a plot of land, let you upgrade it, add capability to it for crafting, and let you put your retainer in it to sell things. Have proper little shops. The ability to take orders. Hang out a shingle advertising a certain skill...whatever. There's lots that can be done with it.
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#15 Mar 01 2011 at 9:40 PM Rating: Good
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It'd be nice if everyone was in stalls and they gave the place a little more character to it. Or even better, buy a plot of land...


Going to move this to the official feedback, sounds cool.



Edited, Mar 1st 2011 10:43pm by SmashingtonWho
#16 Mar 01 2011 at 9:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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It'd be nice if everyone was in stalls and they gave the place a little more character to it. Or even better, buy a plot of land...


Essentially moving the Mog House into a totally reworked ward. A city within the city. I'm thinking of the number of current/future retainers, the amount of space they would want, how that would add up to an even further walk to pick up items. Interesting though.

Three things to add:

1.) Have the Search Item Desk teleport you directly to the player's stall when you select their name from the price list.

2.) Need to add a Search for "Seeking Items". A list you could reference prior to crafting to ensure your wares sell. If there was a search, I would post the items I was seeking.

3.) The ability to Quest for, purchase or craft]your very own Oven, Forge, Anvil, Saw Horse etc. that would give you Grand Master synth support (yet to be implemented). This allows you to be at your house, with your retainer, grinding away your favorite craft,while people stop by to shop, chat and fill your "Seek Item" orders.

#17 Mar 01 2011 at 10:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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NayliaMR wrote:

Or even better, buy a plot of land, let you upgrade it, add capability to it for crafting, and let you put your retainer in it to sell things. Have proper little shops. The ability to take orders. Hang out a shingle advertising a certain skill...whatever. There's lots that can be done with it.



Oh how I wish I can actually enter the stall myself and craft away and resupply the store while taking orders, promoting discounts, and help the retainer sell and, you know, actually advertise the store instead of the retainer standing around selling only what they need to like store employees in real life.

Ofcourse this whole endeavor probably needs lots of investment (as it also limits the amount of space needed, seeing that this "business simulator" will probably not appeal to the majority of the players, as well as being something of a gil sink). Several million gils or whatever. That is something I would definitely make money to buy. Oh and the Oven, Saw horse, Forge idea? That'll be awesome too.

Another idea I have for the large store is being able to have a 'wanted material' list. This functions as a 'request' items like currently except the number does not have to match exactly. Eg. Post for up to 99 copper ore paying (for example) 150 gil each. A miner has 10, he sells the 10 to you automatically for 1500 gil (150x10), the request goes down to 89 units.

We kinda need all of that to stimulate the economy, because as people have said, there really is no real advantage of hiring a stall as of currently.
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I like to see a feature where you can link your retainer's with you link shell creating you own type of guild. A place were you can gather with your ls to meet chat and something like ffxi layout with statues ect on a much larger scale. A ls friend or ppl shopping in need of a particular item a retainer can be set to ask for a specific item giving a quest to open up to link shell giving you a reward of either gil or experience or something else open for options.

A rank system for link shell's with certain reward's need a chocobo once you hit rank 15 example you are able to buy a npc be placed into your link shell market ward at a discounted fee (depending on how there implemented). Need a buff for a particular stat get a certain rank and it increase time and strength of that buff that stack with your food go to your alchemist for further details :P. There plenty more but I think this will make link shell's more interactive and gives goals to you and others in linkshell can achieve and work together on your adventures. One more even if a link shell mate is offline and he put's up his retainer with the right level etc that you need for a craft trade the material's needed to his/her retainer and in one game day return and receive the complete item link shell exculsive...
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Hugus wrote:
Let haters keep hating and let lovers keep playing the game!


I'm not a hater. I play the game almost daily and I even have gotten my wife to start playing as of 2/11/11. Even people who enjoy the game can have gripes with it. I have played several MMOs over the years and love them or not none of them were perfect. FFXIV is just a little less perfect than some of my favorites at the time I played them.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 7:01pm by UncleRuckusForLife


If you hate the wards (and that is the term you used to name this thread) because you can't be bothered to look up what is the definition of the mat you're looking for then I still stand by my statement...

Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 11:25am by Hugus
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#20 Mar 02 2011 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Hugus wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Hugus wrote:
Let haters keep hating and let lovers keep playing the game!


I'm not a hater. I play the game almost daily and I even have gotten my wife to start playing as of 2/11/11. Even people who enjoy the game can have gripes with it. I have played several MMOs over the years and love them or not none of them were perfect. FFXIV is just a little less perfect than some of my favorites at the time I played them.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 7:01pm by UncleRuckusForLife


If you hate the wards (and that is the term you used to name this thread) because you can't be bothered to look up what is the definition of the mat you're looking for then I still stand by my statement...

Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 11:25am by Hugus


So I am a hater because I think having to leave the game to find where mitershells are listed in the markets sucks? Market wards are a step backwards from an Auction House with a search function. If saying that makes me a hater then fine call me a hater all you want and I will feel justified in calling you a blind fanboi white night SE defense team member.
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#21 Mar 02 2011 at 11:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hugus wrote:
Let haters keep hating and let lovers keep playing the game!


It's awfully ironic you would say -this- in defense of the market wards.

Hugus wrote:
You hate the wards (and that is the term you used to name this thread) because you can't be bothered to look up what is the definition of the mat you're looking for then I still stand by my statement...


Please allow me to 2-up my brosef from Lindblum. There's 3 reasons I hate the market wards. We'll start with the first, which ties into your white-knightish statement above:

1) It's a **** good thing the haters left, otherwise you wouldn't be able to get your retainers into the proper wards as they have (had? It's been a while since XIV had that many players) a population cap. Which might not seem like any kind've hinderance to you, but tack on a few thousand people on your server with 2 retainers a pop and...well....enjoy that rock salt.

2) Not every item that's marketable is even list in the XIV retainer search function. Now, while this is hopefully something they will fix, the point stands. And is ever so slightly 'tarded.

3) The sheer rendering needs of whatever server(s) and clients to even display the market wards is ridiculous. And this subject has been touched upon by any number of threads on ZAM, let alone how many others on sites I don't bother to visit.

Now, it's entirely possible that the new XIV team will make the wards efficient. I wouldn't put it past them. They have certainly become far more user-friendly. But to blindly defend the wards as a good idea without taking into consideration the vast waste of processor time on both our end and SE's end is folly.
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#22 Mar 03 2011 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
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2) Not every item that's marketable is even list in the XIV retainer search function. Now, while this is hopefully something they will fix, the point stands. And is ever so slightly 'tarded.


What isn't? AFAIK everything will be listed in the search, only that it won't be in where you think it should be because the wording sucks.

For example:
Weapon/tool wooden grip is in Ironmonger > Weapon Part category.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 2:37am by Khornette
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#23 Mar 03 2011 at 1:56 AM Rating: Decent
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My reason: they exist!

What's the reason I need to warp to wards instead of buying the item from the search menu?

I only do less shopping because of how cumbersome it is and less shopping means less healthy economy.

XI AH trumps this any day of the week and even in that you have to sometimes waste horrible amount of time when looking for an item.
#24 Mar 03 2011 at 2:18 AM Rating: Good
Perhaps someday, the "Seek Item" feature will make the wards superior to an AH.

Just need a "Seek Item" search.

Also, selecting a retainer's name from the Price Search window should, at the very least, teleport you directly to the correct ward.
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Perhaps someday, the "Seek Item" feature will make the wards superior to an AH.

Just need a "Seek Item" search.

Also, selecting a retainer's name from the Price Search window should, at the very least, teleport you directly to the correct ward.



Why does my body have to physically be in the wards at all? I don't get it. The more loading there is between purchases the less shopping people are likely to do.
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Hugus wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Hugus wrote:
Let haters keep hating and let lovers keep playing the game!


I'm not a hater. I play the game almost daily and I even have gotten my wife to start playing as of 2/11/11. Even people who enjoy the game can have gripes with it. I have played several MMOs over the years and love them or not none of them were perfect. FFXIV is just a little less perfect than some of my favorites at the time I played them.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 7:01pm by UncleRuckusForLife


If you hate the wards (and that is the term you used to name this thread) because you can't be bothered to look up what is the definition of the mat you're looking for then I still stand by my statement...

Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 11:25am by Hugus


So I am a hater because I think having to leave the game to find where mitershells are listed in the markets sucks? Market wards are a step backwards from an Auction House with a search function. If saying that makes me a hater then fine call me a hater all you want and I will feel justified in calling you a blind fanboi white night SE defense team member.


No.

You're a hater because of regardless how far the Market Wards have come in the past 5 months or so you will always find something to hate about them unless SE bends over and put up an AH. Personally I'm happy with the way AH work at the moment, to be honest since most of what I need I can get from LS I don't use it that much with the exception of selling my own stuff or using the memders ward.
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Hugus wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Hugus wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Hugus wrote:
Let haters keep hating and let lovers keep playing the game!


I'm not a hater. I play the game almost daily and I even have gotten my wife to start playing as of 2/11/11. Even people who enjoy the game can have gripes with it. I have played several MMOs over the years and love them or not none of them were perfect. FFXIV is just a little less perfect than some of my favorites at the time I played them.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 7:01pm by UncleRuckusForLife


If you hate the wards (and that is the term you used to name this thread) because you can't be bothered to look up what is the definition of the mat you're looking for then I still stand by my statement...

Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 11:25am by Hugus


So I am a hater because I think having to leave the game to find where mitershells are listed in the markets sucks? Market wards are a step backwards from an Auction House with a search function. If saying that makes me a hater then fine call me a hater all you want and I will feel justified in calling you a blind fanboi white night SE defense team member.


No.

You're a hater because of regardless how far the Market Wards have come in the past 5 months or so you will always find something to hate about them unless SE bends over and put up an AH. Personally I'm happy with the way AH work at the moment, to be honest since most of what I need I can get from LS I don't use it that much with the exception of selling my own stuff or using the memders ward.


Oh and dont you worry. They will. People who think like I do are the ones taking the poles the proof is in the numbers.

On the second bolded part Freudian slip?

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 8:59am by UncleRuckusForLife
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I'm slightly confused by all the hatred for the Market Wards. All SE has done is look at how players sold things in FFXI and worked that into FFXIV.

Why have a separate 'Mog House' to store almost all of your items in and another place to stand and buy/sell items from an Auction House, if everyone was just going to stand around in Batallia/Lower Jeuno Bazaaring stuff with either their main or a mule? Retainers are a combination of a mule and a mog house. The Market Wards are a combination of the Auction House and the 'Bazaar Alley's the players themselves created.

I agree the MW menu is a little cumbersome, but it's pretty much the exact same as the one in XI. The only difference is you don't get your item immediately; you have to run and get it. And instead of having to search through countless mules in bazaar alley hoping to find something you're looking for, you can now search for it.

My only complaint is how the Wards are set up. Having to zone from section to section is time consuming and annoying. Am I the only one that imagines the MWs as a huge stack of Cargo Containers? The zones in the MWs should be connected to a central room/hub. Here you would do your searching, find out which 'hallway' the item you want is in and just run down that hallway to the retainer. They've already shown they can split up the zones, why not do in here as well?
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