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Necrologos Leve, endless spawn bug - exploit or not?Follow

#1 Mar 02 2011 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Recently while doing r40 and r30 leves in BW and Noph, my LS has encountered a bug on certain Necrologos Leves.

Last night my LS ran a r30 party and in a party of 6 with full links and GA, at r26 I was getting around 675 per goat kill. By the time we collected all the pages (about 12 mins into the leve) I had gained about 12K sp. As we managed to get the bug, we kept on playing and killing and in total, by the time we killed the elementals (at 23 secs to spare) I had gained over 28,000 sp from the one leve.

I personally have only encountered the bug a few times, the first couple of times not even noticing it, really. It either happens or it doesn't. We linked a second levinshower leve after the first one, but we didn't get the bug so it seems to be accidental.

In regards to the Terms of Service, I have found the following quotes from the Square Enix Sites:

Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement
http://support.eu.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=903&la=2&tag=useragreement

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2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.


Square Enix Support Centre - Knowledge base
Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV

http://support.eu.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?kid=56909&id=903&la=2&ret=faq
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Activities that destroy game balance

Using third party programmes or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programmes or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally and without limitation, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a game master’s instruction. Failure to do so is considered a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

The following activities are also prohibited.
•Modifying, analysing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
•Utility creation and distribution
•Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit or damage other players


As first I didn't think too much of it, and thought we were just lucky, until a LS mate pointed out that it could be treated as an exploit and be against the TOS mentioned above and that SE was monitoring stuff like this. We were debating wether or not our actions of killing the later spawns of goats consitutes an exploit but couldn't come to a descision in LS, so I thought I would ask on ZAM (I may get a karma hit for this, but I would like a resolution). I was here back in the day when the old conjurer healing bug on leves happened and I know that people were banned/characters stripped if found guilty, so I do not want that for my LS mates and myself.

Any thoughts?


Admin Edit: Please do not post the particulars of the exploit. Referencing it is enough to ask if it's against the TOS :)



Edited, Mar 2nd 2011 4:11pm by Osarion
#2 Mar 02 2011 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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if you THINK it MAY be an exploit, report it with your party member 1st.
dont do it until you get a respond allow you to do so.

that would be the most conservative way...

personally I think it is a design flaw, a.k.a. not as intended, therefore, exploit.
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#3 Mar 02 2011 at 6:11 PM Rating: Excellent
Had to ninja edit the OP to remove the particulars of how to exploit the bug.

As far as the question goes... I've seen screenshots of GM conversations where they were not aware of the bug at that time, but certainly were made aware of it by the player.

Don't be surprised if we see an announcement from SE along the lines of the CON healing exploit a few months ago. I'd avoid exploiting this bug, personally, if you value your account.
#4 Mar 02 2011 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
IMO

it is a design flaw bug and players should not be punished for it

as with the original cure bug in the first weeks of the game when you get sp for curing
so there was mass curing parties.

SE released a statement that this was an exploit and people should stop. and continuing to do so will result in ban and removal of said gained levels.

so until such message or announcement is made.

i would say its up to the individual to decide if they wish to use this said design flaw..

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#5 Mar 02 2011 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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quilens wrote:
IMO
it is a design flaw bug and players should not be punished for it


Salvage duping 101:

We shall say it's a design flaw and since SE didn't immediately fix it I'll abuse it all I want and they can't touch me for abusing a blatantly obviously exploit...

...what that? I got banned along side almost 100,000 others? But it's a hole in YOUR system. You can't touch me for ABUSING it, Square!


So yes, regardless if it's a bug, design flaw or what, no other leves are like this so it's clear it's an exploit, as well as a bannable offense but I'm sure they have bigger things to worry about right now.

The reason it's not announced is because this particular one is a legitimate bug compared to the cure SP gain oversight.
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#6 Mar 02 2011 at 8:30 PM Rating: Good
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Just my thought

theres a big difference betwen purposely causing a bug to happen, and it just bugging out now and then

if you can purpsoely cause it to bug, then yes.....bannable

if it happens and you kill the extra mobs, and you had no control over them spawning extra, thats not really too bad
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#7 Mar 02 2011 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Had to ninja edit the OP to remove the particulars of how to exploit the bug.


there is a method to trigger this bug
not always available but yes without out going into particulars of how to trigger it.

there is a certain method if you recongonise the opportunity.

so does this then make it bannable ?
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#8 Mar 02 2011 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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quilens wrote:
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Had to ninja edit the OP to remove the particulars of how to exploit the bug.


there is a method to trigger this bug
not always available but yes without out going into particulars of how to trigger it.

there is a certain method if you recongonise the opportunity.

so does this then make it bannable ?


yes, if you are purposely triggering a bug, that is bannable
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#9 Mar 03 2011 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Had to ninja edit the OP to remove the particulars of how to exploit the bug.


Sorry. Didn't think about that :(



Thanks for all the feedback guys. I'll pass it onto my LS. I think I will avoid using that bug, to err on the side of caution
#10 Mar 03 2011 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a exploit and SE know about it already. The ban hammer will come...

http://www.ffxivhiddenpower.com/forum/gallery/3_21_02_11_8_05_21.jpeg

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 9:38am by cquintela
#11 Mar 03 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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quilens wrote:
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Had to ninja edit the OP to remove the particulars of how to exploit the bug.


there is a method to trigger this bug
not always available but yes without out going into particulars of how to trigger it.

there is a certain method if you recongonise the opportunity.

so does this then make it bannable ?


It can only bug under certain circumstances.
However, you can't influence this circumstances to happen, so no there is no certain method...you can "try" to use those certain circumstances for your advantage and raise the possibility of the bug...but in the end its all random. Even with the circumstances giving you the highest possibility of the bug, there is no 100% way of making it bug for sure...

To be more precise...there is no way of influencing 1 of the 2+ available groups to either drop a Necro Page and/or to spawn another group when killed. It's luck, nothing more.

And please don't start to aruge about that...I've been doing these certain leves with leve statics for 3 months now...we tried every possibility of triggering the bug, there is no way to make it 100%, thats a fact.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 7:34pm by Shezard
#12 Mar 03 2011 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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A bug wherein target enemies would spawn repeatedly on the levequest Necrologos: Levinshower.


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#13 Mar 03 2011 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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But it only refers to Levinshower...and to be honest, there is another Necrologos leve that bugs almost every 2nd try I do it...
#14 Mar 03 2011 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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theres a big difference betwen purposely causing a bug to happen, and it just bugging out now and then

if you can purpsoely cause it to bug, then yes.....bannable


This is how I felt also on the subject.

I knew people who were trying to analyze patterns and make it happen on purpose. I don't know if they were successful, but I warned them against it.

As I saw it, the point of most leves is to pop monsters and then kill the popped monsters. Everyone once in a while these leves pop more (infinite) monsters through no action or intention of my own and who am I to not kill them? Isn't that what the guild told me to do?

Unless it's found people were triggering this on purpose 100% of the time, I doubt any bans will be slapped in our faces. They'll simply fix the issue (oh look at the patch notes!) and move on.

It was hard to even say if the leve was not intended to behave that way (until SE addressed it in Patch notes). As I said, mobs pop and you kill them. That's the whole idea.
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