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#1 Mar 07 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't post often but I do read these forums quite often. The reason for this thread is that I feel that after reading a lot of threads, opinions, flaming and fanboyism that I want to express how I feel because I feel it is not totally unique to me and that it is an opinion shared by many.

Just a side note: For curiosity I am going to post this on both Zam and Core forums to see what the different responses will be. See where the fanboys are more active and such. You can disregard this. I don't really know why I am stating it.

Anyways, I'm going to explain a bit about how I feel. As a Fan.

I have played Final Fantasy for the better part of my life. I am 25 years old and can remember FF on nes, snes, psx, ps2, ps3. All of em, I played. Even other SE titles like Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Legend of Mana, Crystal Chronicles and so on. Because of this, I am confident I can say that I am a life-long SE and FF fan.

Based on this, I have to say SE has really fallen off the wagon with releasing quality FF games. Like, look at 13, for example. When was FF really that linear? When was it really that boring? I quit playing because all I did was hit X on my controller for 2 and a half hours and won every fight. Only to be rewarded but running in a straight line and getting boring cut-scenes where monsters turn into sports cars and space ships. Really. This wasn't an FF title. It was just junk with FF on the cover. I lost interest and shelved it. Never went back. When I got 14 I thought I would love the game based on how much I loved XI and thought they would grow on what they had in FFXI. Turns out, it sucks. Hard. Real hard. They never learned anything from XI. Can't stress that enough. It was a joke and I am embarassed I trusted this company enough to buy this crap. I was so excited and so let down. Just like a lot of people.

What I am getting at here is; there was a time when I would buy any SE title at the bat of an eye because I had always expected the enjoyable gameplay, lore, story etc. that I enjoyed all my life. Now, I don't trust this company anymore. Like a lot of people.

What I am about to say may offend you guys but it is my opinion and I feel a lot of people who frequent these forums feel it too.

I want this game to fail.

SE has totally crushed my trust and respect for this company with the last two releases of their flag title that I grew up loving. I now have to think twice about future SE and FF titles. Just like this game, I don't trust it enough to come back. Its boring and being updated at a stupidly slow pace and the more I hear about the letdowns the more I laugh inside because they are failing. Therefore, I choose not to come back and be dragged along hoping that in time it will get better. If SE wants me back, like a lot of their more loyal, life-long customers, they need to make it right and then give it to me. I refuse, especially now, to have SE drag me along their open-beta-ride in the hopes that this game will work out in the future. I am a customer and I don't work for SE. They work for my money.

However, I will tell you what will save this game and why.

They need to take the servers down and fix this game on their own.

Why take them down? Because all SE is doing is dragging people along and scarring them. The people who leave this game as they deal with slow updates and low-quality content updates will never recommend this game. That being the case, the people who continue to be dragged along will be the downfall because they will not recommend this game to anyone based on the fact it sucked so bad and it caused so frustration being dragged along to get it right. If you are currently playing, you will NEVER log onto this game one day and it will be good. Human nature always remembers the bad things that are done to the person. Remember that.

SE needs to fix this game without the frustrating roller-coaster ride and player pressure and re-release this game with new hype the way they should have done it in the first place. Release it in a new, shiny box. Admit what you did wrong and give the players a great game like you have before. This is the only way to incite trust into this company now. This is the only way to get a large group of people to come back to this game. This is a trust issue with fans and they are now badgering what they have left of them.

The fact that they won't only fuels my fire. I want this embarassment to fail because of the way they ruined my trust for their company and because they want to drag me along with this garbage.

Thanks for your time.
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I wouldn't mind if SE just shuts down the servers to put a game in this game. All I know is that I really want to play XIV for a long time but as it is there's not that much to play. I'm back after every patch expecting way too much and to be honest this game is not that much more enjoyable than it was at launch. The content is still badly designed or just not there. Now all I can do is wait and do behests while I'm at it. Btw the behests are a total mess too.
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Good I was able to reply before a cens... a lock.
Yes. I wholeheartedly agree. I also think that some
changes are hard to do on-the-fly, so taking the whole
game offline might - in the long run - save us all a
lot of time.

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I feel your pain man! Im also a longtime fan of SE and to me their latest titles (FF14 and holy sh*t FF13)also feel like a dropkick to the balls. But to wish that they will fail is taking it a bit too far for me. To me, a history of so much quality can not be undone by a few missers. I just want this latest project direction of fabula nova something to pass so they can start something new and perhaps make quality again. I think that in general, people would not appreciate taking down the servers (to bring them back up later) much since thats depriving them from the game they paid hard cash for.



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Well, I'm glad you got that out of your system, however childish it may be to wish failure on a company who hurt you.
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#7 Mar 07 2011 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
Well, I'm glad you got that out of your system, however childish it may be to wish failure on a company who hurt you.


oh boohoo you poor baby you. The company will be fine, SE is too big to fail overnight. I think a lot of people were glad *the game* failed especially after the horrendous lack of communication between SE and its player base during beta in which they ignored all of the peoples' calls for change.

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The company will be fine, SE is too big to fail overnight.

Let's see... Spirits Within, Front Mission Evolved, FFXIV... that's not overnight.
They forgot putting the most precious ingredient - love - in their games about 5 years ago.
Those 5 years are starting to show, even among their die-hard fans.
#9 Mar 07 2011 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rinsui wrote:
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The company will be fine, SE is too big to fail overnight.

Let's see... Spirits Within, Front Mission Evolved, FFXIV... that's not overnight.
They forgot putting the most precious ingredient - love - in their games about 5 years ago.
Those 5 years are starting to show, even among their die-hard fans.


To be fair, TSW is from the Squaresoft (aka good) era, not the SE era.

The others are purely SE though. :)
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#10 Mar 07 2011 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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"they need to make it right and then give it to me"

"They work for my money"

These two threw me off, so you want them to give you this game without paying for it yet they work for your money? Color me confused.

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#11 Mar 07 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Rinsui wrote:
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The company will be fine, SE is too big to fail overnight.

Let's see... Spirits Within, Front Mission Evolved, FFXIV... that's not overnight.
They forgot putting the most precious ingredient - love - in their games about 5 years ago.
Those 5 years are starting to show, even among their die-hard fans.


I don't care about failed projects, they've been able to pull through just fine. Look at their income statements in the last 7 years and you'll see this. In fact I just checked 2010's income statement in which SE rolled in the largest value in sales in the past 7 years (at least) and their operating income is a high in those 7 years. Point being, SE doesn't have financial trouble or is in danger of failing as a company because of a failed project - far from it. I have no idea how share price is evaluated but I know its based on investors' interest in a company, as in if more people want SE's share, its price goes up. SE share dropped from $43 to $18 in the last 3 or 4 years I believe, I'm not sure the exact reason as to why but to be completely honest if there's a even a good time to invest in this company its right now during its "downfall" because they're a big company, they're in a rough patch now and they're bound to go up in the near future because they're probably re-evaluating a lot of things moving forward now, this is evident in their communication with their fans by launching forums for both FFXIV and FFXI...I think things will get better. Anywayyyyy I have no idea where all this came from but point in case is that I did wish this game would fail after what they gave us at launch and a failed game wouldn't make a failed company, it would just make them think twice before releasing half-assed games in the future which is something we can all benefit from.

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doinkemb wrote:
I want this game to fail.


Rest assured, the game has failed. They wouldn't have chucked Tanaka if it hadn't.

FFXIV might still be standing, but it's only for the sake of it's hoped for "Grand Re-Opening Under New Management."

doinkemb wrote:
They need to take the servers down and fix this game on their own.

Why take them down? Because all SE is doing is dragging people along and scarring them. The people who leave this game as they deal with slow updates and low-quality content updates will never recommend this game.


To be fair, the best course of action is to walk away. Sticking with the game now is not for the faint-of-heart. It's becoming increasingly clear they don't have the resources to provide the level of awe-inspiring content that's lacking while they are tackling all the bigger, sweeping issues the game has. It does have that crushing effect you describe.

However, keeping the servers running while this "flailing" is going on is not a bad thing. It's an opportunity for the devoted to dutifully weigh in on new and improved features as they are added. Free player testers are a valuable resource for SE.

But it's going to be messy for awhile, and for that reason, as well as your psychological sanity, I think it's better to put the game down for awhile and return later when it's had a chance to "get better." If it improves, you won't have wasted your time on FFXIV's dysfunctional state, and if it never improves, you won't have wasted your time at all.
#13 Mar 07 2011 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I will not say I'm going to go so far as to wish complete and utter failure of the game on them, however I do share your opinion that 13 seemed like it wasn't a FF game like what I had come to expect from the previous 12.

I can understand the mindset behind wanting the game to fail. I'm sure there are those that would even agree with you. I don't feel the game is currently in a state I would consider to be a success, however I am hopeful it will get there before people give up on the game entirely.

The great thing that FF14 has, that FF13 doesn't, is a chance to be fixed, rebuilt, and made better. FF13 will forever sit on my shelf as a game I'll never be able to finish because I can't stand to play it and there's nothing anyone can do to fix that (unless someone wants to come over my house and spam X for 20 hours to get me to the good part), but with 14, they're actually actively working towards making the game an enjoyable experience. I wish them the best of luck and hope for their success, so that I can come back and enjoy a new Final Fantasy title; a feeling that I have been robbed of as of late.
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#14 Mar 07 2011 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Well at least this thread wasn't a straight up "FU SE die" flame like the last one. At least this op had a way of wording it that was not so abrasive.

Op, you have every right to feel that way. However, wishing failure upon a name that has brought in awesome games in the past, is that not a bit much?? It sounds like you have put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to games. Maybe try taking a break for a while and play some offline console games? Maybe keep an eye on this and see where it goes.

If it does happen to get better in the future and you are interested in playing again, it will be here.

I intend to play not because I am a hardcore fan. This game for me allows me and my husband to duo together and go at our own pace w/o feeling like we are left totally behind. We have a lot of things going on for us irl, and this game for us allows us to escape for a few hours here and thers when we can play.

Hope to see you around in the future. Good luck!
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#15 Mar 07 2011 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
Well, I'm glad you got that out of your system, however childish it may be to wish failure on a company who hurt you.



He wants the game to fail, not the company.

you may be tired of reading threads like these, understandably. but nothing about the thread sticks out as childish. not agreeing with him doesnt make you any less childish for responding the way you did.

He doesnt want the game to fail because hes upset and QQ'ing in a corner. He wants it to fail because with the **** poor effort they put into the game its really what they deserve and failure would really help them see what theyve been doing to their flagship series.

I personally wish them success, but I hope they do learn from this mess.



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#16 Mar 07 2011 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
Well, I'm glad you got that out of your system, however childish it may be to wish failure on a company who hurt you.
He wants the game to fail, not the company.
Eh, I guess you could have seen it that way. I meant failure on the company's part to complete this game, but he also mentioned FFXIII as a failure to him.

theSubligaravenger wrote:
you may be tired of reading threads like these, understandably. but nothing about the thread sticks out as childish. not agreeing with him doesnt make you any less childish for responding the way you did.
How is this not childish?
"I want this embarassment to fail because of the way they ruined my trust for their company and because they want to drag me along with this garbage."
It's in the overall tone of his post, and summed up in his last couple of sentences.

theSubligaravenger wrote:
He doesnt want the game to fail because hes upset and QQ'ing in a corner. He wants it to fail because with the **** poor effort they put into the game its really what they deserve and failure would really help them see what theyve been doing to their flagship series.

I personally wish them success, but I hope they do learn from this mess.
I can't follow this logic.

I don't see how setting something aside as a failure would be more of a learning opportunity, than patching up said failure into a success.
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#17 Mar 07 2011 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Really so many people are agreeing with him? lol

"I don't like this game so I hope it fails?" Grow up bro!

Well I don't hope it fails, I hope it gets better so I can return and play one day.

Edited, Mar 7th 2011 5:10pm by PeoplesChamp
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Well I certainly don't say anything good about FFXIV to my friends and colleagues. In fact, I'm rather outspoken in the opinion that if you want to play a fun MMO that has Final Fantasy in it's name, play FFXI. It may be nine years old and starting to look a little dated, but it's got the gameplay down.

That being said, I do agree S-E needs to take the servers down and do what they need to do to fix the game (even if fixing the game means rebuilding it from the ground up). Every day the servers stay open, more negative commentary is generated by frustrated and angry players. The game has already been thrown through the ringers when it launched thanks to the reviews. However, every day the servers stay open, that's more trips through the ringers and now it's not the "professional game reviewers" that are doing the thrashing, it's the very community and demographic that FFXIV is targeted towards.

Even if shutting the servers down and fixing it means FFXIV disappears for a year or two, that would be far better in the long term than continuing to subjugate the company (both the corporate image as well as individual employees), distribution outlets (stores), and consumers to the continued and prolonged negative backlash from an outraged and very vocal customer-base.

Edited, Mar 7th 2011 2:16pm by oberonqa
#19 Mar 07 2011 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
theSubligaravenger wrote:
Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
Well, I'm glad you got that out of your system, however childish it may be to wish failure on a company who hurt you.
He wants the game to fail, not the company.
Eh, I guess you could have seen it that way. I meant failure on the company's part to complete this game, but he also mentioned FFXIII as a failure to him.

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you may be tired of reading threads like these, understandably. but nothing about the thread sticks out as childish. not agreeing with him doesnt make you any less childish for responding the way you did.
How is this not childish?
"I want this embarassment to fail because of the way they ruined my trust for their company and because they want to drag me along with this garbage."
It's in the overall tone of his post, and summed up in his last couple of sentences.

theSubligaravenger wrote:
He doesnt want the game to fail because hes upset and QQ'ing in a corner. He wants it to fail because with the **** poor effort they put into the game its really what they deserve and failure would really help them see what theyve been doing to their flagship series.

I personally wish them success, but I hope they do learn from this mess.
I can't follow this logic.

I don't see how setting something aside as a failure would be more of a learning opportunity, than patching up said failure into a success.


I think turning this game into a success will not only not teach them anything but reinforce the fact that they can release low quality games that their dedicated fanbase will simply eat up because of the title of the game.

they had very similar issues with FFXI, even though they were adressed sooner, they seemed to not learn a thing from FFXI's launch. turning this game around and making it a success would be amazing, but it will teach them that the next FFMMO can also launch in an alpha/beta stage and border on unplayable for the first year.





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Well I certainly don't say anything good about FFXIV to my friends and colleagues. In fact, I'm rather outspoken in the opinion that if you want to play a fun MMO that has Final Fantasy in it's name, play FFXI. It may be nine years old and starting to look a little dated, but it's got the gameplay down.

That being said, I do agree S-E needs to take the servers down and do what they need to do to fix the game (even if fixing the game means rebuilding it from the ground up). Every day the servers stay open, more negative commentary is generated by frustrated and angry players. The game has already been thrown through the ringers when it launched thanks to the reviews. However, every day the servers stay open, that's more trips through the ringers and now it's not the "professional game reviewers" that are doing the thrashing, it's the very community and demographic that FFXIV is targeted towards.

Even if shutting the servers down and fixing it means FFXIV disappears for a year or two, that would be far better in the long term than continuing to subjugate the company (both the corporate image as well as individual employees), distribution outlets (stores), and consumers to the continued and prolonged negative backlash from an outraged and very vocal customer-base.

Edited, Mar 7th 2011 2:16pm by oberonqa
I'm actually starting to feel the same way about the game, in that they should officially go back into beta testing, close down all but 5-6 servers.

Edited, Mar 7th 2011 3:37pm by Kirby
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#21 Mar 07 2011 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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I think turning this game into a success will not only not teach them anything but reinforce the fact that they can release low quality games that their dedicated fanbase will simply eat up because of the title of the game.
I sincerely hope no one would do that after what happened to FFXIV.

And I don't see why they would. Do you?

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

I had hope for FFXI, seeing how SE managed to improve the state of FFXI. There's no way I'd have that kind of hope again, assuming they even tried to make another Final Fantasy MMO.
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I think your being very over dramatic as with most SE fans. I think japanese game fans and anime fans tend to be very overly judgmental and dramatic. FF13 deserved its >8 ratings. And they're isn't a single game company on this planet that can consistently score 9's unless they're going to wash out a series (COD, Assasins Creed, GTA).

I bet your just another one of those kids you run into at social gatherings where once you find a common interest you'll go on and on about the stuff YOU like to watch because you forget not everyone will agree with your "infallible" judgment.

You have zero insight into the SE's game design process and to assume that SE doesn't take pride in their work is quite a leap.

Our youth culture's sense of entitlement is clearly represented here. Your gonna develop quite the unattractive personality if you spend more time analyzing the things you don't like instead of appreciating the things you do like.

FFXIV has a very small player base, and isn't doing well your judgments are correct no sense in beating a dead horse. I think the main reason i'm posting my response is to genuinely help you out TC cause I can sense how annoying you are all the way through the internet.
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I will not say I'm going to go so far as to wish complete and utter failure of the game on them, however I do share your opinion that 13 seemed like it wasn't a FF game like what I had come to expect from the previous 12.

I can understand the mindset behind wanting the game to fail. I'm sure there are those that would even agree with you. I don't feel the game is currently in a state I would consider to be a success, however I am hopeful it will get there before people give up on the game entirely.

The great thing that FF14 has, that FF13 doesn't, is a chance to be fixed, rebuilt, and made better. FF13 will forever sit on my shelf as a game I'll never be able to finish because I can't stand to play it and there's nothing anyone can do to fix that (unless someone wants to come over my house and spam X for 20 hours to get me to the good part), but with 14, they're actually actively working towards making the game an enjoyable experience. I wish them the best of luck and hope for their success, so that I can come back and enjoy a new Final Fantasy title; a feeling that I have been robbed of as of late.


This is exactly how I feel. Exactly. I understand where the OP is coming from entirely; I was an FF fan from a very young age and grew up with Square making my favorite games. FFXI was my first MMO and I may never have played one if it weren't for the FF name introducing me. Like the OP and Mikhalia, my disappointment with FFXIII and FFXIV is joined; it feels like the same kind of let down - neither game has that SOMETHING that makes it worthy of the FF moniker. XIII will forever be a game that, despite hearing promises of a great story and a "fun part" after so many hours of linearity, I will never be able to finish. Like Mikhalia, I'm hopeful however, that Yoshi actually manages to turn FFXIV into something enjoyable. I'm cautiously optimistic - right now, it still feels as disappointing as it did when I first loaded it, because all the tweaks and changes that have made it slightly more palatable still haven't brought that IT factor. I'm not sure that they'll be able to save XIV; getting that magic feeling into the game may be impossible - it may be something a game has to be born with. I hope they can manage it, but I sometimes do think they'd be better off taking the game down and going back into full development mode to use what good parts they have to make and treat it as if they're making a new MMO. Use the lore and towns from XIV if they have to, but bring in more writers, a creative team and different leveling and experience systems and make it an alternate MMO with a full development team... one can dream I guess.
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And that has little to do with the topic at hand.

Shutting down the servers and working on the game would not be equal to a failure, until they stopped pouring resources into the project and moved onto something else.

I'm actually starting to feel the same way about the game, in that they should officially go back into beta testing, close down all but 5-6 servers.

But I do not see how letting this game fail would help SE "realize" anything that they haven't already experienced in the past few months.

Edited, Mar 7th 2011 3:27pm by Kirby

It's true that nothing encourages bad behavior like getting away with it, but I am of the "gem in most turds" mindset. FFXIV really does have a lot of potential; it's not self-delusion, it's not blind optimism, in fact I personally don't think FFXIV has lived up to very much if any of it's potential, but it's there buried under a mountain of unpleasant-to-describe muck. It seems like it would be a shame to kill the game before it had a chance to live up to that potential.

Some would - and do - argue that it's had plenty chance, and it's time to pull the plug. Personally, I think that Yoshi-P and his new team are displaying, if not the qualifications perhaps, the devotion to pull this game through. It's going to be an uphill climb, and a long shot even then. But if the second wave of developers can inject a little love into the game, I think it still has a fighting chance.

Now, it should be noted, I am speaking purely on the technical aspects of the game. It could turn into a truly inspired work, and if no one plays it, still fall flat on it's rather over-sized face. The biggest advantage MMOs have over other types of games is that if they do not entertain, as long as someone is working on it, it has the potential to become good. FFXIII and it's peers were done the moment they left the gate, no tweaking by Square Enix was going to change that. FFXIV, on the other hand, is on life support, and will continue to be until the top brass decide to pull the plug.

I am not defending FFXIV as it current stands in this post, but rather bringing attention to the fact that if the game fails, there is no more. It looses every chance it may have in the future to correct it's errant behavior. I won't go as far as to say that wishing such a fate upon it is spiteful, as I said already, nothing enforces bad behavior like success. But the game will cause little harm by being up, and it has the potential to do good.
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I think your being very over dramatic as with most SE fans. I think japanese game fans and anime fans tend to be very overly judgmental and dramatic. FF13 deserved its >8 ratings. And they're isn't a single game company on this planet that can consistently score 9's unless they're going to wash out a series (COD, Assasins Creed, GTA).


What are your thoughts on Nintendo? I'm only aware of one game that Nintendo made that wasn't well-received and that was Mario Paint for the SNES. The House that Mario Built has a golden touch with it's properties.

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I bet your just another one of those kids you run into at social gatherings where once you find a common interest you'll go on and on about the stuff YOU like to watch because you forget not everyone will agree with your "infallible" judgment.


Wow... stereotype much?

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Our youth culture's sense of entitlement is clearly represented here. Your gonna develop quite the unattractive personality if you spend more time analyzing the things you don't like instead of appreciating the things you do like.


Could be worse.... the OP could end up making gross generalizations about people...
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What are your thoughts on Nintendo? I'm only aware of one game that Nintendo made that wasn't well-received and that was Mario Paint for the SNES. The House that Mario Built has a golden touch with it's properties.


Don't tempt the internet gods. Their lightning bolts are particularly poignant.

This article is insightful on how the major gaming companies fared in 2010. Nintendo places 2nd overall, but, they weren't without a few juicy turds, such as AquaSpace. It wasn't a particularly stellar year for SE, either, placing in the middle of the 15-strong pack. While they had a lot of good games in 2010, they were absent a single hit for the year, unlike most of their counterparts.

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2011/game-publisher-rankings-for-2010-releases/?tag=supplementary-nav;article;1
#28 Mar 07 2011 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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What are your thoughts on Nintendo? I'm only aware of one game that Nintendo made that wasn't well-received and that was Mario Paint for the SNES. The House that Mario Built has a golden touch with it's properties.


Don't tempt the internet gods. Their lightning bolts are particularly poignant.

This article is insightful on how the major gaming companies fared in 2010. Nintendo places 2nd overall, but, they weren't without a few juicy turds, such as AquaSpace. It wasn't a particularly stellar year for SE, either, placing in the middle of the 15-strong pack. While they had a lot of good games in 2010, they were absent a single hit for the year, unlike most of their counterparts.

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2011/game-publisher-rankings-for-2010-releases/?tag=supplementary-nav;article;1


That's a good article ForceOfMeh - thank you for posting it. I haven't heard of AquaSpace, so I stand corrected on my assessment that the last **** they released to my knowledge was Mario Paint. Knowing they had a **** in 2010 does change things just a bit. :)
#29 Mar 07 2011 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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ForceOfMeh wrote:
oberonqa wrote:
What are your thoughts on Nintendo? I'm only aware of one game that Nintendo made that wasn't well-received and that was Mario Paint for the SNES. The House that Mario Built has a golden touch with it's properties.


Don't tempt the internet gods. Their lightning bolts are particularly poignant.

This article is insightful on how the major gaming companies fared in 2010. Nintendo places 2nd overall, but, they weren't without a few juicy turds, such as AquaSpace. It wasn't a particularly stellar year for SE, either, placing in the middle of the 15-strong pack. While they had a lot of good games in 2010, they were absent a single hit for the year, unlike most of their counterparts.

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2011/game-publisher-rankings-for-2010-releases/?tag=supplementary-nav;article;1


That's a good article ForceOfMeh - thank you for posting it. I haven't heard of AquaSpace, so I stand corrected on my assessment that the last **** they released to my knowledge was Mario Paint. Knowing they had a **** in 2010 does change things just a bit. :)


they had a **** in 2010 allright, but aquaspace wasnt it.

aquaspace is a simple wiiware app that serves as a virtual aquarium. and not much more. it has interactions like your mii swimming around and an encyclopedia i believe. hardly a game. and as far from a flagship title as you can get.

the real stinker was Metroid: other M. this is as far as i know(without the internetz)the closest nintendo has come to having a flagship title fail.

EDIT: look closely at aquaspaces meta score btw. 3 critic and no user. hardly substantial.

Edited, Mar 7th 2011 7:48pm by theSubligaravenger
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God Other M was a disappointment. So much potential, going away from the Prime style of Metroid and it ends up being pretty awful. They need to make a game that lives up to Super Metroid. Ultra Metroid.
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God Other M was a disappointment. So much potential, going away from the Prime style of Metroid and it ends up being pretty awful. They need to make a game that lives up to Super Metroid. Ultra Metroid.


I'll drink to the thought of Ultra Metroid. I didn't have a problem with Metroid: Other M to be honest. It was a bold departure from the Prime formula and in some ways was a return to the side-scrolling Metroid roots. It may not have been perfect, but it had a pretty high consumer adoption rate and most people I know enjoyed the break from Prime's approach. At least in Las Vegas, Nevada it did. It was sold out for quite some time at all the regular shopping chains (Wal-Mart, GameStop, Target, Best Buy).
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Well, I'm glad you got that out of your system, however childish it may be to wish failure on a company who hurt you.


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Why take them down? Because all SE is doing is dragging people along and scarring them.


Let me guess... you were a puppetmaster in FFXI.
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#34 Mar 07 2011 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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theSubligaravenger wrote:
aquaspace is a simple wiiware app that serves as a virtual aquarium. and not much more. it has interactions like your mii swimming around and an encyclopedia i believe. hardly a game. and as far from a flagship title as you can get.


Are you saying ichthyophiles don't deserve a well-made game for their fish tank needs from the #2 gaming company in the world?

Well I never...
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the real stinker was Metroid: other M. this is as far as i know(without the internetz)the closest nintendo has come to having a flagship title fail.

To be fair, Nintendo didn't develop the game. They hired Team Ninja(Gogo Ninja Gaiden) to make the game. They basically developed all of the gameplay and I'm assuming Nintendo just made the script.
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They should take down the servers, assure the players that their progress will not be lost, and get to really making a product people will enjoy.

That means not having every camp be an aetherite, two NPCs, a table, and a tent in the exactly same places. That means doing what you can to lessen the obviousness of landscape copy/paste in each zone. Put some diversity and feeling into the game, instead of it having this awkward, empty, clinical feel.

...I had started writing a whole lot more, but it was turning into a novel.

Anyway, they won't do this, because it would require a ton of work as people would expect a pretty different experiance. Simply enlarging a bunch of things to ridiculous extents and then passing it off as significant work would not be enough. SE has shown me that they accomplish things at a snail's pace, be it because they don't have enough people working on it, or they aren't working hard enough.
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They should take down the servers, assure the players that their progress will not be lost, and get to really making a product people will enjoy.


Now I get it. It should have been obvious, but your sig made it crystal clear: the reason for this sentiment is more than just a desire to put the game down for awhile which could be done at any time you wanted to.

You need the servers down so you can cement your "lead," and you don't want anyone else to catch up or even surpass your progress while you're gone. Of all the diabolical, self-serving...

I love it.

Edited, Mar 8th 2011 3:26am by ForceOfMeh
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ForceOfMeh wrote:
Now I get it. It should have been obvious, but your sig made it crystal clear: the reason for this sentiment is more than just a desire to put the game down for awhile which could be done at any time you wanted to.

You need the servers down so you can cement your "lead," and you don't want anyone else to catch up or even surpass your progress while you're gone. Of all the diabolical, self-serving...

I love it.

Edited, Mar 8th 2011 3:26am by ForceOfMeh

Yes, you got me. I care deeply about having gained a lot of ranks in a game that would no longer be online.

I'll be sure to post my xivpro page all around the internet and bathe in the glory of it all.
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Well, i'm a bit on either side of the fence right now myself.

The game seems like fun to me so far, it's pretty huge, i havent even gotten close to exploring every little nook and cranny, but the overal feel of how things work seems pretty good.

But then there's the players in the game. Everyone seems to be in it for themselves. There's very little partying up going on, prices are rediculous most of the time due to there being only one or two sources for it, and social interaction outside of your linkshell is next to non-existant.

Just reading through the forums all over the place and walking through the game itself, i feel like i -really- do not enjoy a lot of the current playerbase and some of the rediculous suggestions i've seen being put out. Sure it might only be an incredible tiny portion of the players, but those people simply are the most vocal about it, and thus stand out far more than others.

It's not a nice thing to say by far, but at times it simply reminds me of a small child not getting the candy he wanted from his mother and raising **** about it. I'm sure most of us are quite mature, there's very little reason to behave like 5 year olds.

That alone would pretty much be reason enough for me to not wanting to see the game go on like it currently is doing. Despite rather enjoying most of it so far.
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I will not say I'm going to go so far as to wish complete and utter failure of the game on them, however I do share your opinion that 13 seemed like it wasn't a FF game like what I had come to expect from the previous 12.

I can understand the mindset behind wanting the game to fail. I'm sure there are those that would even agree with you. I don't feel the game is currently in a state I would consider to be a success, however I am hopeful it will get there before people give up on the game entirely.

The great thing that FF14 has, that FF13 doesn't, is a chance to be fixed, rebuilt, and made better. FF13 will forever sit on my shelf as a game I'll never be able to finish because I can't stand to play it and there's nothing anyone can do to fix that (unless someone wants to come over my house and spam X for 20 hours to get me to the good part), but with 14, they're actually actively working towards making the game an enjoyable experience. I wish them the best of luck and hope for their success, so that I can come back and enjoy a new Final Fantasy title; a feeling that I have been robbed of as of late.



I suppose by good part you mean the bit where the corridor widens for the duration of one room/field? Trust me it's not that special nor does the game let you customize your characters any more than before that point.

It's pretty much a sewer-slide all the way to the end unless you're the kind of player who likes to be pretending to play a game while holding a controller.
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ForceOfMeh wrote:
Now I get it. It should have been obvious, but your sig made it crystal clear: the reason for this sentiment is more than just a desire to put the game down for awhile which could be done at any time you wanted to.

You need the servers down so you can cement your "lead," and you don't want anyone else to catch up or even surpass your progress while you're gone. Of all the diabolical, self-serving...

I love it.

Edited, Mar 8th 2011 3:26am by ForceOfMeh

Yes, you got me. I care deeply about having gained a lot of ranks in a game that would no longer be online.

I'll be sure to post my xivpro page all around the internet and bathe in the glory of it all.


I knew it!

Meet me out back. I'll bring the cigars. You bring the monocles and top hats.
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