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#1 Mar 07 2011 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Hi,

Many of you probably don't care, but I just wanted to say I will no longer be posting on or reading these forums (which I have been doing since I started playing XI). The fact of the matter is that the majority of the discussion held here has very little to do with the actual game anymore (if it ever did), but instead focuses on incessant, redundant, complaints and prophecies of doom and gloom. We all know what state this game is in. I, for one, don't need to be reminded of it every thread-- I'd rather focus on more positive aspects of the game, including things like CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, instead of things along the lines of "so how long do you guys think this game will take to fail?". I'm also tired of seeing people post very fair and valid thoughts about the positive aspects of this game, and seeing them mobbed for it.

No, I'm not burying my head in the sand and choosing to ignore the flaws of this game, I've just reached my negativity threshold.

Unlike many of you, I hope this game does eventually succeed-- I'm judging this based on responses I saw in the "would you be mad if this game failed" thread. I think SE has already learned a pretty serious lesson from this whole ordeal, and I would be absolutely floored if they repeated the same mistake in the future.

But since I'm saying farewell, allow me to also say thanks. Thanks to those of you who posted constructive thoughts and ideas. Thanks to those of you who provided knowledge about the game to help others. Thanks to those of you who recognize that in the end this is still a video game, and kept things light by making some funny threads and posts. And last but no least, my sincerest thanks to those of you who helped me along over the years, by directly answering my questions or, in one thread, even helping me choose my character name. I really, truly, did appreciate it.

Perhaps I'll see some of you on the official forums, where hopefully the griefing will be at a much more tolerable level.

Sincerely,

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#2 Mar 07 2011 at 4:39 PM Rating: Default
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I miss you already.
#3 Mar 07 2011 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont blame you onion I am at the end of my rope too

There is such a thing as discussion, and it seems most people here are beyond knowing what that means anymore
Add in the obvious lack of moderation, and its just getting to be a headache.

Some of us dont want "negativity" to stop in general, but for the posts in these forums to be actualy moderated! We dont need a whole page of stuff that belongs in a certain complaints thread sticky.
We dont need "i want this game to fail" threads for every other post.

Its ok if people want to talk about stuf they dont like, and how to fix it, etc etc. You know the kind of discussion we all enjoy having, but there is a point where you have to stop, and look at whats being said, and say enough is enough.
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now that i think about it, i am surprised there arent any threads about who had done the most damage theyve seen, which color cowl looks best, idk, i remember all kinds of random threads on Zams FFXI site. its a shame we dont see it here a bit more often
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I saw something like this coming...

Good job negative posters... you did a wonderful job appalling someone who actually has HOPE for the game to succeed. You can all go **** yourselves.

Massive negativity from a huge crowd will INCREASE the likelihood of failure. Whether you believe it or not, individual thoughts can influence things to happen... and since there are dozens of us who are so negative about the game, the strength of such negative influence will be amplified.
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ViKtoricus wrote:
I saw something like this coming...

Good job negative posters... you did a wonderful job appalling someone who actually has HOPE for the game to succeed. You can all go @#%^ yourselves.

Massive negativity from a huge crowd will INCREASE the likelihood of failure. Whether you believe it or not, individual thoughts can influence things to happen... and since there are dozens of us who are so negative about the game, the strength of such negative influence will be amplified.


Get real man if its not for negative posters this game has no direction...the polls SE is taking is a direct result of everyone's negativity combined. Fact of the matter is there is nothing other than issues to talk about when it comes to FFXIV, barely anything else anyway. If I'm wrong and there is, please start a thread and open a new convo.
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Given how few people actually play FFXIV any more, I'm inclined to think that without the negativity, there wouldn't be many posts on this forum at all. You can criticize the negativity for its own sake, but the lack of game-appropriate content is because the forum community isn't large enough to create the content you're looking for.

And, if you really want to blame the small forum community on the negativity, you can try. I think a far more likely explanation, though, is that a forum community can't thrive when there aren't enough people playing a game.

It's not either/or; it's this or nothin'.
#8 Mar 07 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.
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#9 Mar 07 2011 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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hexaemeron wrote:
What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.


I suppose we can always theorycraft, using hypothetical content as a basis for our conversation....

EDIT: Or we can talk about the different strategies involved in killing the handful of NM's that are in the game, or the dreaded Marbol that can be found in Gridania. :)

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oberonqa wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.


I suppose we can always theorycraft, using hypothetical content as a basis for our conversation....


****, let's just imagine we're actually enjoying real content too while we're at it. ;)
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What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.


This does not justify the ammount of "F U I hope this game fails" posts we see nonstop, or the fact that the mods dont seem to be doing a thing about them

There are ways to be constructive about whats wrong, and no one here seems to understand that point and instead jump on the "I hope it fails" bandwagon looking for troll attention
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hexaemeron wrote:
oberonqa wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.


I suppose we can always theorycraft, using hypothetical content as a basis for our conversation....


****, let's just imagine we're actually enjoying real content too while we're at it. ;)


LOL! Hence why I play FFXI. Why imagine enjoying real content when I can actually play real content. :)
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Vedis wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.


This does not justify the ammount of "F U I hope this game fails" posts we see nonstop, or the fact that the mods dont seem to be doing a thing about them

There are ways to be constructive about whats wrong, and no one here seems to understand that point and instead jump on the "I hope it fails" bandwagon looking for troll attention


If I were you I would get used to the bandwagon... because I have a sneaking suspicion that every single person who has even the slightest axe to grind about FFXIV is going to flock to the official forums en-masse, especially with the knowledge that S-E staff will be active on the official forums.

I'd say the OP is better off staying here on ZAM than jumping over to the official forums. All the people with axes to grind are gonna jump ship, which should (in theory) leave the happy and content players here on ZAM.

But what do I know, right?
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Vedis wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.


This does not justify the ammount of "F U I hope this game fails" posts we see nonstop, or the fact that the mods dont seem to be doing a thing about them

There are ways to be constructive about whats wrong, and no one here seems to understand that point and instead jump on the "I hope it fails" bandwagon looking for troll attention


It absolutely is justified. If there were actually lots of varied things to do, or a few to do that were really engaging, interesting or involved, people would be playing the game instead of complaining.

There is nothing to do that is varied, engaging, interesting or involved, so after six long months, yes, people are just fed up.
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I agree 100% and I wish you luck.

I have found that most forums regarding FFXIV (not just ZAM) are filled with the people who are unhappy with the game and/or have very little playtime for one reason or another.

It seems to be the case no matter where you look though. Angry people want their voices heard, yet the people who are happy with how things are don't speak up because they have no need!

Such is life.

Good idea leaving the forums btw, I stopped posting so much a month back and haven't been happier with my FF experience.



Edited, Mar 7th 2011 6:33pm by DoctorMog
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hexaemeron wrote:
Vedis wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
What strategy or gameplay is there to even discuss in this game? THERE IS NO CONTENT.


This does not justify the ammount of "F U I hope this game fails" posts we see nonstop, or the fact that the mods dont seem to be doing a thing about them

There are ways to be constructive about whats wrong, and no one here seems to understand that point and instead jump on the "I hope it fails" bandwagon looking for troll attention


It absolutely is justified. If there were actually lots of varied things to do, or a few to do that were really engaging, interesting or involved, people would be playing the game instead of complaining.

There is nothing to do that is varied, engaging, interesting or involved, so after six long months, yes, people are just fed up.


And thats where you are wrong

It is far from justified
The correct term for it, is extremely CHILDISH

Fine, we get it, people dont like the game, but does that mean they need to go out of their way, to tell those of us who do like it how much the hate it, na how they hope it fails, and to tell us how we are just fooling ourself and we are lying to ourselves about liking it.

No, they dont need to do that

I hate warcraft, i didnt like rift 1 bit, there are several other games i just dont like, you know what I did?
I did the mature thing and moved on, and left those forums alone instead of harrassing peoples about my hate for the game.

There is such a thing as a dicsussion and the posters that are the problem, are not looking for one.
The people who are looking for a meaningful discussion are justified in their post, but its very obvious who they are compared to those who "want the game to fail" cuz at that point there is no room for discussion, only bashing.



If the official forums are moderated to the point of getting rid of the absuive bashing and trolling, then yes, they will be tons better then everywhere else who allows it.
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DoctorMog wrote:
I agree 100% and I wish you luck.

I have found that most forums regarding FFXIV (not just ZAM) are filled with the people who are unhappy with the game and/or have very little playtime for one reason or another.

It is unfortunate that only their voices are the ones being heard because the people who ACTUALLY enjoy the game in its current state are busy playing instead of posting.

The above seems to be the case no matter where you look though. Angry people want their voices heard and the people who are indifferent or happy with how things are tend not to speak up.

Such is life.

Good idea leaving the forums btw, I did a month back and haven't been happier with my FF experience.



All six of them, yes. It must really suck to be in the ridiculous minority and it must be really unfortunate to see a game you like failing so miserably and being gutted and turned into something else, but if nothing's done, it'll just die anyone. No one likes it as it, I'm sorry.
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I can sympathize with the OP on this point. These forums have been a real downer for the last few days. This seems to happen not long after patches, and i'll just slow down coming here for a bit until things pass over (usually do within a week). I would say onion don't completely give up on the zam forums, just wait it out for a while until things die down again. Just concentrate on playing (if you do, its what I do currently) and wait out the storm until the next patch when it all happens again.
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#19 Mar 07 2011 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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It is very true that you do see the same 15-20 names complaining on any given forum. Because of the sheer number of posts they have it "seems" like a lot more than they really account for.
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I'm still waiting for PS3 release lol! And as far as the game goes, just watch this will be a sweet mmo after alot more patches. And it wont fail, many more people playing the game and enjoying it RIGHT NOW than are on forums complaining. ^_^
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I'm still waiting for PS3 release lol! And as far as the game goes, just watch this will be a sweet mmo after alot more patches. And it wont fail, many more people playing the game and enjoying it RIGHT NOW than are on forums complaining. ^_^


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I'm still waiting for PS3 release lol! And as far as the game goes, just watch this will be a sweet mmo after alot more patches. And it wont fail, many more people playing the game and enjoying it RIGHT NOW than are on forums complaining. ^_^


That's why the game is free for months on end, the creators deemed it unplayable and are now redesigning the game by committee. You could have used your first post for something actually true and relevant.
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I'm still waiting for PS3 release lol! And as far as the game goes, just watch this will be a sweet mmo after alot more patches. And it wont fail, many more people playing the game and enjoying it RIGHT NOW than are on forums complaining. ^_^


That's why the game is free for months on end, the creators deemed it unplayable and are now redesigning the game by committee. You could have used your first post for something actually true and relevant.


And if it was as bad as you seem to think it is, they would have scrapped it already.

Nice try.
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I'm still waiting for PS3 release lol! And as far as the game goes, just watch this will be a sweet mmo after alot more patches. And it wont fail, many more people playing the game and enjoying it RIGHT NOW than are on forums complaining. ^_^


That's why the game is free for months on end, the creators deemed it unplayable and are now redesigning the game by committee. You could have used your first post for something actually true and relevant.


And if it was as bad as you seem to think it is, they would have scrapped it already.

Nice try.


They have millions upon millions invested in this game to let it go so easily, but after 6 months of no subs and 30k or less playing a game for free, the writing is on the wall.

People don't even want to play this as a FREE game. You can't patch a soul into a game and FFXIV is a stillborn if I've ever seen it.
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Can you please provide a source for your numbers?
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DoctorMog wrote:
Can you please provide a source for your numbers?


His source is some random person who has nothing to do with SE making it up as a guess in another post

Because the players know all and see all
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Can you please provide a source for your numbers?


http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1299469690210506452&page=1

This discussion right here on ZAM appears to provide a pretty accurate assessment of active players right now, and that puts is anywhere from 28k-31k active players.

Unless you want to dispute the findings of your peers.... in which case I don't know what to tell you. S-E has been pretty tight-lipped when it comes to active accounts so there is no "official" memo, if that's what your looking for.
#28 Mar 07 2011 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
I've seen this thread before somewhere.

Onionthiefx,

Assuming you are at least curious enough to read the replies to your own post, let me just say that you had some very good comments, on topic, nearly everytime I saw you post. I will miss you sir.

It is not hard at all to find players in Eorzea that are enjoying themselves as we speak, a fact that some posters here are oblivious to. I hope your time spent playing FFXIV is fun and entertaining. There are, in fact, other ways to get FFXIV news that are neither hostile or depressing.

If you do find yourself returning, perhaps out of the same overwhelming (morbid) curiosity that I am afflicted with, you will be more then welcome when you return.

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A hearsay thread on Zam is your source?

You make my brain hurt.
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DoctorMog wrote:
A hearsay thread on Zam is your source?

You make my brain hurt.


Heh... I just figure that would be his source, since I cannot find anything official from S-E that states the actual numbers. In case you hadn't noticed, DoctorMog, I am not hexaemeron (the person who you were originally responding to). :)
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Haha sorry there.

Now that I look over the thread more closely your response is funnier than I thought it was.

Good One ^^

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Haha sorry there.

Now that I look over the thread more closely your response is funnier than I thought it was.

XD

Edited, Mar 7th 2011 7:11pm by DoctorMog


No worries, my friend. I just didn't want you mistaking me for someone else. Sometimes my humor is a bit dry and bland, and my point was to make a satirical post. :)
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No, I'm not burying my head in the sand and choosing to ignore the flaws of this game, I've just reached my negativity threshold.


I'm sorry to see you leave Onion. I know there is a lot of broken hearts, tear soaked pillows and over-all negative comments about the game. But I rather see reality tempered with a little hope then people blindly defending that the sky isn't falling while the Hinderberg is crashing down on their heads. Let's hope in a year or so that we all can have a happy runion in a finished FFXIV.
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At least the FFXIV official forums should launch tomorrow, hopefully it will be a constructive place.

Especially with the devs supposedly posting direct feedback!
I don't think anyone here really wants the game to fail, I just think some people have lost hope, and may never get it back. If the people here didn't care, they'd well, be on the Rift forums instead.
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I'm thinking of joining you OP. The last fews days on this board have been ****, I thinking of making the move to the official forums. I'll probably come back to ZAM after SE starts charging for XIV, hopefully most of the whiners won't be on here around then.
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I don't know about you all, but I'd rather frequent a board populated by criticisms and concerns about the direction a poorly-implemented game and/or game patch is taking as opposed to one populated by nothing but fanatical fanboys constantly praising the creators and berating those who suggest the game is anything but perfect.

Blind praise is just as annoying as constant negativity, neither of which I see in abundance here. If you think the tone across these forums has been nothing but negative lately, perhaps you should take a step back and evaluate what it is that's causing such a turmoil.
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I don't know about you all, but I'd rather frequent a board populated by criticisms and concerns about the direction a poorly-implemented game and/or game patch is taking as opposed to one populated by nothing but fanatical fanboys constantly praising the creators and berating those who suggest the game is anything but perfect.

Blind praise is just as annoying as constant negativity, neither of which I see in abundance here. If you think the tone across these forums has been nothing but negative lately, perhaps you should take a step back and evaluate what it is that's causing such a turmoil.


You dont understand our problem then

Critisism and concerns arent the issue

its the blind hatred and flaming of the game that isnt moderated AT ALL that is the problem
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Whales wrote:
I don't know about you all, but I'd rather frequent a board populated by criticisms and concerns about the direction a poorly-implemented game and/or game patch is taking as opposed to one populated by nothing but fanatical fanboys constantly praising the creators and berating those who suggest the game is anything but perfect.

Blind praise is just as annoying as constant negativity, neither of which I see in abundance here. If you think the tone across these forums has been nothing but negative lately, perhaps you should take a step back and evaluate what it is that's causing such a turmoil.


I don't know what board you're visiting, but most of the topics that have been created on here lately don't provide any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, if that were the case I think most of us wouldn't be fed up with this place.
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its the blind hatred and flaming of the game that isnt moderated AT ALL that is the problem


I apologize, but I just don't see it. I see players voicing concerns about current gameplay status and recent patches, but not blind hatred and flaming. Perhaps I'm just not seeing it the way you are.
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Vedis wrote:
Whales wrote:
I don't know about you all, but I'd rather frequent a board populated by criticisms and concerns about the direction a poorly-implemented game and/or game patch is taking as opposed to one populated by nothing but fanatical fanboys constantly praising the creators and berating those who suggest the game is anything but perfect.

Blind praise is just as annoying as constant negativity, neither of which I see in abundance here. If you think the tone across these forums has been nothing but negative lately, perhaps you should take a step back and evaluate what it is that's causing such a turmoil.


You dont understand our problem then

Critisism and concerns arent the issue

its the blind hatred and flaming of the game that isnt moderated AT ALL that is the problem


I dont think any of the mods play FFXIV as their main MMO anymore. Chances are they dont care for it much either.
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Whales wrote:
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its the blind hatred and flaming of the game that isnt moderated AT ALL that is the problem


I apologize, but I just don't see it. I see players voicing concerns about current gameplay status and recent patches, but not blind hatred and flaming. Perhaps I'm just not seeing it the way you are.



Yeah its there, look at what alot of them are saying

with stuff like "I hope this game fails" " i demand that this game fails" "F U SE" and such in half the OPs you see with a negative topic...they arent looking to be constructive but looking for people to agree with them that the game sucks and no one should play it

and for the best example, look at every post Ostia makes here
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I'm looking forward to the official forums. Part of me hopes they moderate with a heavy hand and ban trolls. I'd hate to see what is a good opportunity for constructive input and feedback become the festering cesspool that is ZAM.

I'll see you on the other side OP!
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@hexaemeron Im so sorry you don't approve of "my first post" like I care what you think... you know now I see why this guy wants to leave this forum... attitudes here stink... i'll be sure to let others know this... goodbye ._.

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@hexaemeron Im so sorry you don't approve of "my first post" like I care what you think... you know now I see why this guy wants to leave this forum... attitudes here stink... i'll be sure to let others know this... goodbye ._.

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Boys and girls.... I give you Exhibit A for the continued effects of word-of-mouth.
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I dont think any of the mods play FFXIV as their main MMO anymore. Chances are they dont care for it much either.


It's been my main MMO since launch, but I don't play as often as a lot of other people.

I often tell people my secret for enjoying this game is not playing too often -- not because the game isn't enjoyable, so I can only handle it in small doses -- but because there simply isn't much to do right now. I don't enjoy doing single things for long periods of time. So, by only playing in small amounts, I get my fulfillment of leves and crafting, then I go do something else. I don't subscribe to the theory of banging my head against a wall, just because the wall is in front of me.

But, yeah, I'm definitely more "invested" in FFXIV more than any other game at the moment. Lately I've had more free time, so I just started playing FFXI again until more to do opens up in Eorzea, but FFXI isn't my main MMO anymore... FFXIV is.

So, to answer your question, at least one mod does play, and yes, he does enjoy the game!

Edit: And after spending a full day chatting with ls mates in FFXIV, it's amazing how many people either 1) are unaware of the current state of ffxiv, 2) want to play badly, but just don't have a rig that can run it, or 3) played already, and are just waiting for more improvements to be made before coming back.

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Good luck Onion!

By the way, this thread just goes to show how Zam has been with some of the replies.

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All six of them, yes. It must really suck to be in the ridiculous minority and it must be really unfortunate to see a game you like failing so miserably and being gutted and turned into something else, but if nothing's done, it'll just die anyone. No one likes it as it, I'm sorry.


That's an example of all I see on here now.

The only constructive posts I see now are in the THM class forum which I usually look through.

I also don't think the Official forums will be full of "Fanbois" (God that's a horrible description to use for someone).
I see current players trying to post constructive criticism and constantly getting flamed or told "The game is going to die".

I see the forums being rid of these non-playing flamers and not full of "OMG SE you guys are the bestest and we love you so much. FFXIV is so awesome, don't add anything new or change anything!".
Sure, there may be a few people who feel that way, but the vast majority of current players know what needs changing and I'm sure the official forums will help with the new direction FFXIV is heading.
At least that's what I'm envisioning, and I'm sure many others are as well.
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Sorry Onion :/ I can feel how frustrating it can be...really. Anywho, maybe we'll see ya around anyways? My secret to dealing with all the hoodlums (that's right I said it...hoodlums), is just to think of them as such. Because honestly, if they have such a bad taste in their mouth about this game, they would just quit and not say a word, or at least I would think any normal person would, I know I would. And if they truly wanted to voice their opinion on how to fix this game, instead of just flame it, they would actually see the above sticky and just keep reposting over and over and over on the dern sticky.

Anywho, good luck, hope to see you around.
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#50 Mar 07 2011 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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BTW, Thaos, I couldn't agree with you more. The secret to enjoying this game is to take it in small doses for the reasons you just said. C'mon people! There are other things to do other than bang your heads on a wall because of this game! THere is the great out doors, the gym, families, friends....OTHER GAMES! Yeesh!
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#51 Mar 07 2011 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I completely agree with the OP. The amount of flaming for the sake of it is insane, and I sincerely agree that the admins should have stepped in. The forums have become so hostile with people making personal attacks on anyone who posts an opinion that goes against the mob. I love to think that by saying I am all for constructive criticism that I would get a little bit of credibility from some of the more dissatisfied player base but so may troll just put blinders on and do not pay attention to things that are being said. The truth is the people on this forum are just **** bent on venting whenever they get the opportunity. Everyone should have the right to vent unfortunately the admins should step in when the ******** and negative feedback have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the original post intended conversation.

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Get real man if its not for negative posters this game has no direction...the polls SE is taking is a direct result of everyone's negativity combined. Fact of the matter is there is nothing other than issues to talk about when it comes to FFXIV, barely anything else anyway. If I'm wrong and there is, please start a thread and open a new convo.


This for example is nothing more than an attempt to completely derail this thread. Im sure SolidMac will try to back up his comment by saying that the negative feedback is what resulted in the player poll but that is not what this thread is about. The OP simply was simply saying why he can no longer deal with the unfortunate backlash to every post on this forum. He was not looking to start a conversation about the importance or consequences of negative feedback. He has been on the forums for some time and has undoubtedly formed some communal relationships with some other posters here, and wished to let them know that he is leaving, why he is leaving, and to thank people who have contributed to his experience.

This happens in almost every post on here and I hope that eventually we do get a more productive and enjoyable FFXIV form (be it the official forum or when the game goes p2p finally flushing out some trolls). With some more active moderating in terms of making sure people aren't discouraged form posting or making sure a threads can stay on topic there can still be plenty of rooms forums like "so how long do you guys think this game will take to fail?" and not push away many of the people who aren't looking to complain.
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