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#53 Mar 15 2011 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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In the worst case scenario Tokyo will experience heavy nuclear fallout and the whole region will have to be evacuated. I'd guess that would keep the servers down for an extended period of time.
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#54Shezard, Posted: Mar 15 2011 at 5:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Rate downs for saying I don't give a sh*t about the game right now and just hope Japan itself recovers from this crisis?
#55 Mar 15 2011 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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to answer the original post I chose 3 weeks which would be about the end of the month. Everything is dependent on how well Tokyo Power gets it act together. Their first priority is, of course, getting resources in place to handle the reactor crisis. Once that is done then they can work on how to realign the power grid in order to get the countries economy back up and running. They should be doing the preliminaries on that now. I do not see SE moving to alternate servers in NA. Basically because I am not sure that they have the required capacity to handle it. Could be wrong there.
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#57 Mar 20 2011 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Now that I think about it I'm not exactly qualified to make the claim that they came out ahead for a while with only the revenue from initial cost of the game. Whether or not its in the red, it has the potential to turn a nice profit once its fixed, so abandoning the game all together seems a bit off.


If it realy did take 6 years to make a profit on XI then XIV will never ever make a profit, everything is so against it. I think the willingness of a business to carry on with a title like this is more about recouping your losses than make a profit. If 30-50mill was spent on it's creation and whoever is in charge can convince the suits they can get back 1/2 to 3/4 of that pver the years, taking into account running costs they will probably go for it, don't expect them to go crazy on extra content/expansions though. In a situation like that it's all about keeping it going as cheaply as possible, including number of staff working on the game.
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#58 Mar 20 2011 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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This is going to affect Japan for years to come. The part of the island around the ********* nuclear plant has been evacuated. This area will likely not be inhabitable again in our lifetime.


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#59 Mar 20 2011 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I say it will be down a long long time. Do people even realize FFXIV is a no profit game for SE right now and that the largest player base is from Japan? Why would they go above and beyond for something that will not bring any revenue and something that their large playerbase won't realy enjoy yet?

The best thing and I think the right thing for them to do is just leave it down and polish it. That has been the point of FFXIV since it launched. Getting the game playable. So just leave the game down and re-launch in the summer when Japan (hopefully) will have some semblence of life prior to the tsunami. Cause without the Japanes players this game won't go anywhere.
#60 Mar 20 2011 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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Everyone I tell this to here at home, that our severs are down, can't believe that a company of this size does not have servers set up elsewhere.
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#61 Mar 20 2011 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good
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Hello scape ^^

careful, someone said that over on the official lodestone forums and was verbally attacked for having no heart, which I'm sure was never anyone's intentions.

you reminded me to change my sig's shell name.
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#62 Mar 20 2011 at 11:54 PM Rating: Default
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doubleax wrote:
I say it will be down a long long time. Do people even realize FFXIV is a no profit game for SE right now and that the largest player base is from Japan? Why would they go above and beyond for something that will not bring any revenue and something that their large playerbase won't realy enjoy yet?

The best thing and I think the right thing for them to do is just leave it down and polish it. That has been the point of FFXIV since it launched. Getting the game playable. So just leave the game down and re-launch in the summer when Japan (hopefully) will have some semblence of life prior to the tsunami. Cause without the Japanes players this game won't go anywhere.



Do you even realize that the affected services include FFXI? So you suggest they leave it down, to save a small amount of money(consider the investment into the game) and leave down one of their games making money(11) and hope that the changes they make over the next 3 months without any user input work out for the best? Since these games are housed together, its not a gigantic increase in cost to also support 14.

I hope you do not manage a buisness anytime soon.

The game will be up this week or at the latest next week imho.
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#63 Mar 21 2011 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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BadJoRed wrote:
Hello scape ^^

careful, someone said that over on the official lodestone forums and was verbally attacked for having no heart, which I'm sure was never anyone's intentions.

you reminded me to change my sig's shell name.


That's okay =p

It sucks what happened in Japan but, that doesn't mean I wouldn't mind being able to play FFXIV right now either. Wondering why they don't have(or not using) servers outside of Japan is a logical question, especially when talking about a huge company and a game that could very easily go "down the drain" with severs down for an extended period of time.
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#64 Mar 21 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I say its up this week, I also think ffxiv will be up and running before(if not at the same time) ffxi. The longer ffxiv is down the more time ppl have to think about playing another MMO like rift or wow, I do enjoy ffxiv and i'm very hopeful for its future but lets face it its not as solid as some of the other MMOs out there.
#65 Mar 21 2011 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
Just keep an eye on Lodestone. Their next update will be sometime overnight (I'm in U.S. eastern zone). They are the only ones who can give us a definite answer.
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#66 Mar 21 2011 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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wiccibear wrote:
doubleax wrote:
I say it will be down a long long time. Do people even realize FFXIV is a no profit game for SE right now and that the largest player base is from Japan? Why would they go above and beyond for something that will not bring any revenue and something that their large playerbase won't realy enjoy yet?

The best thing and I think the right thing for them to do is just leave it down and polish it. That has been the point of FFXIV since it launched. Getting the game playable. So just leave the game down and re-launch in the summer when Japan (hopefully) will have some semblence of life prior to the tsunami. Cause without the Japanes players this game won't go anywhere.



Do you even realize that the affected services include FFXI? So you suggest they leave it down, to save a small amount of money(consider the investment into the game) and leave down one of their games making money(11) and hope that the changes they make over the next 3 months without any user input work out for the best? Since these games are housed together, its not a gigantic increase in cost to also support 14.

I hope you do not manage a buisness anytime soon.

The game will be up this week or at the latest next week imho.



Nowhere did I say that they need to do this to save money. WHat I said was that this is a free to play. They should treat it as so. If it needs to be fix then do it. These little patches every month is like putting a bandaid on a severed leg. The game has been down for a week. No lost, the game is no better or worst. Fix the **** game and then fire it up again. I know it is hard for you to grasp the long term of the company's goal. What does leaving FFXIV down have anything to do with FFXI? Nothing. The game being down , even though it is not their fault, is just a long list of bad things that has happened with this game.

And yes I do manage and I hope you sure don't manage anything anytime soon cause you can't see beyond a few days.
#67 Mar 21 2011 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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Scape13 wrote:
BadJoRed wrote:
Hello scape ^^

careful, someone said that over on the official lodestone forums and was verbally attacked for having no heart, which I'm sure was never anyone's intentions.

you reminded me to change my sig's shell name.


That's okay =p

It sucks what happened in Japan but, that doesn't mean I wouldn't mind being able to play FFXIV right now either. Wondering why they don't have(or not using) servers outside of Japan is a logical question, especially when talking about a huge company and a game that could very easily go "down the drain" with severs down for an extended period of time.


Because their bread and butter is the Japanes players. If something happens to Japan then they are down the drain cause that is where the bulk of their money comes from and that is why the servers are there and will always be there. If there was a demand and finacialy viable then yes you would see servers for different part of the world but that has yet to be the case.
#68 Mar 21 2011 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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doubleax wrote:
wiccibear wrote:
doubleax wrote:
I say it will be down a long long time. Do people even realize FFXIV is a no profit game for SE right now and that the largest player base is from Japan? Why would they go above and beyond for something that will not bring any revenue and something that their large playerbase won't realy enjoy yet?

The best thing and I think the right thing for them to do is just leave it down and polish it. That has been the point of FFXIV since it launched. Getting the game playable. So just leave the game down and re-launch in the summer when Japan (hopefully) will have some semblence of life prior to the tsunami. Cause without the Japanes players this game won't go anywhere.



Do you even realize that the affected services include FFXI? So you suggest they leave it down, to save a small amount of money(consider the investment into the game) and leave down one of their games making money(11) and hope that the changes they make over the next 3 months without any user input work out for the best? Since these games are housed together, its not a gigantic increase in cost to also support 14.

I hope you do not manage a buisness anytime soon.

The game will be up this week or at the latest next week imho.



Nowhere did I say that they need to do this to save money. WHat I said was that this is a free to play. They should treat it as so. If it needs to be fix then do it. These little patches every month is like putting a bandaid on a severed leg. The game has been down for a week. No lost, the game is no better or worst. Fix the **** game and then fire it up again. I know it is hard for you to grasp the long term of the company's goal. What does leaving FFXIV down have anything to do with FFXI? Nothing. The game being down , even though it is not their fault, is just a long list of bad things that has happened with this game.

And yes I do manage and I hope you sure don't manage anything anytime soon cause you can't see beyond a few days.

That's nice, but this game wasn't MEANT to be free to play, it's only on extended trial period which is different in that they intend to be able to charge a monthly fee sometime next year.
How are you going to explain to the masses that the reason the servers are to remain down is due to your plans to fix and relaunch the game in 6 months time? "Hey guys, all SE services will be coming back online today, but not XIV. We have decided that XIV will remain down and we will relaunch the title at a later date, we appreciate your understanding.", just try it...

Ironically, most of the actual free to play MMOs are still online and kicking, but they actually make money via cash shops and avatar clothing whereas XIV is on damage control.
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#69 Mar 22 2011 at 12:24 AM Rating: Default
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doubleax wrote:
I say it will be down a long long time. Do people even realize FFXIV is a no profit game for SE right now and that the largest player base is from Japan? Why would they go above and beyond for something that will not bring any revenue and something that their large playerbase won't realy enjoy yet?

The best thing and I think the right thing for them to do is just leave it down and polish it. That has been the point of FFXIV since it launched. Getting the game playable. So just leave the game down and re-launch in the summer when Japan (hopefully) will have some semblence of life prior to the tsunami. Cause without the Japanes players this game won't go anywhere.


There's a mistaken notion that its easier to patch a game when its offline. If you did appx three months of patching work while the servers were offline, what would happen when they went back online? Almost every coding error you made in the last three months would come down on you at once.
#70 Mar 22 2011 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know if its been mentioned, but once(or if) FFXIV on the PC gets fixed to the point where its better-received, it would be cool if square re-released the game under a slightly different name. Sort of like they do with games like Fallout and Oblivion where they will release a game of the year edition which includes all of the expansion packs. I think a fixed FFXIV would be different enough from the original 2010 release to justify a re-release.
#71 Mar 22 2011 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know if its been mentioned, but once(or if) FFXIV on the PC gets fixed to the point where its better-received, it would be cool if square re-released the game under a slightly different name. Sort of like they do with games like Fallout and Oblivion where they will release a game of the year edition which includes all of the expansion packs. I think a fixed FFXIV would be different enough from the original 2010 release to justify a re-release.


You mean Fallout and Oblivion aren't the same exact game? Could have fooled me! Smiley: rolleyes

Seriously though, they did that with FFXI. I had to buy each expansion as it was released for PS2. $100 initially for the modem/hdd/software pack, then $30 for CoP, ToAU, WoTG, and then what was it $10 each for those little "add ons"? When my girlfriend started playing I bought FFXI/RoZ/CoP/ToAU all in one box for $30. FFXIV will be no different I'm sure. I don't think they should change the name though.


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#72 Mar 22 2011 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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valhalla85 wrote:
doubleax wrote:
I say it will be down a long long time. Do people even realize FFXIV is a no profit game for SE right now and that the largest player base is from Japan? Why would they go above and beyond for something that will not bring any revenue and something that their large playerbase won't realy enjoy yet?

The best thing and I think the right thing for them to do is just leave it down and polish it. That has been the point of FFXIV since it launched. Getting the game playable. So just leave the game down and re-launch in the summer when Japan (hopefully) will have some semblence of life prior to the tsunami. Cause without the Japanes players this game won't go anywhere.


There's a mistaken notion that its easier to patch a game when its offline. If you did appx three months of patching work while the servers were offline, what would happen when they went back online? Almost every coding error you made in the last three months would come down on you at once.


yes it is a lot easier to patch a game with no players on it. Teh game is "offline" only in the since that it is not taking active connection from payers. In any development enviroment there are dev servers and live servers. They need to just fire up teh dev servers to make th ecoding. once they feel comfortable then they can apply it on the live servers. With no active players they can patch on teh fly. So yes having the servers "down", no active players on it, makes it easier to patch.
#73 Mar 22 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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doubleax wrote:

yes it is a lot easier to patch a game with no players on it. Teh game is "offline" only in the since that it is not taking active connection from payers. In any development enviroment there are dev servers and live servers. They need to just fire up teh dev servers to make th ecoding. once they feel comfortable then they can apply it on the live servers. With no active players they can patch on teh fly. So yes having the servers "down", no active players on it, makes it easier to patch.


I never questioned the fact that they use dev servers, that's a given.

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With no active players they can patch on teh fly.


Where are you getting your information? Many types of server-side code you actually can patch on the fly(I'm a programmer and I have to do this crap almost every day) The changes within the server happen so quickly it doesn't even matter. Once a variable changes on the server, the client starts getting the new variable. Worst case scenario they release a patch requiring a server restart and you're down for ~10 min. Big deal. They could even release it during one of their scheduled maintenance downtimes and kill two birds with one stone.

But you're suggesting they leave it down and work on it till summer, then let everyone run wild on three months of untested code. I understand they test their code on dev servers but its never fully tested until thousands of players have proven its stability. From experience its best to release updates and adjustments gradually, that way if something goes wrong you only have a week's worth(or so) of code to sift through to pinpoint the problem, if you don't already know what it is. Basically my point is that its not a huge inconvenience having players on the server, if anything its a good thing(for business too). Pushing huge updates is kind of scary(at least for me); multiple errors compound themselves and even obfuscate other errors. It's hard to tell what's broken when you've got a ton of broken things happening at once. whatever. tl;dr
#74 Mar 22 2011 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
2 weeks FTW!
#75 Mar 22 2011 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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