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#1 Mar 21 2011 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
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My wife and I played FFXI for about 5 years but cancelled our accounts since we weren't getting to play much. I tried the FFXIV benchmark on my PC but it crashed horribly. Figured I would give it a try on PS3 when it's released, but everything I'm reading about FFXIV is really bad. What are the major complaints about the game (whether you agree or not) and why are people generally put off by it? I'm not trolling, I promise, I just want an honest opinion from folks who've played FFXI like I have....not someone from IGN with little FFXI background.

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#2 Mar 21 2011 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
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Eriston wrote:
My wife and I played FFXI from for about 5 years but cancelled our accounts since we weren't getting to play much. I tried the FFXIV benchmark on my PC but it crashed horribly. Figured I would give it a try on PS3 when it's released, but everything I'm reading about FFXIV is really bad. What are the major complaints about the game (whether you agree or not) and why are people generally put off by it? I'm not trolling, I promise, I just want an honest opinion from folks who've played FFXI like I have....not someone from IGN with little FFXI background.


You remember how the gaming press always seemed down on FFXI? If you look at the Metacritic score for FFXI (for the RoZ release) you'll see it has a nice 85 out of 100. So the fact FFXIV is sitting at 49 out of 100 ought to tell you something. If you thought it was bad then...

Short answer: Yes, it's bad.

Long answer: They're trying to make it good in time for the PS3 version for a miraculous comeback. There have been steady, minor improvements since release while they are working on major changes in the background such as with combat, classes, and redoing the zones. They're also doing expansion work which will likely coincide with the PS3 release (though there's nothing official on that yet, but it seems like a logical pairing).



Edited, Mar 21st 2011 9:42pm by ForceOfMeh
#3 Mar 21 2011 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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ForceOfMeh wrote:
Eriston wrote:
My wife and I played FFXI from for about 5 years but cancelled our accounts since we weren't getting to play much. I tried the FFXIV benchmark on my PC but it crashed horribly. Figured I would give it a try on PS3 when it's released, but everything I'm reading about FFXIV is really bad. What are the major complaints about the game (whether you agree or not) and why are people generally put off by it? I'm not trolling, I promise, I just want an honest opinion from folks who've played FFXI like I have....not someone from IGN with little FFXI background.


You remember how the gaming press always seemed down on FFXI? If you look at the Metacritic score for FFXI (for the RoZ release) you'll see it has a nice 85 out of 100. So the fact FFXIV is sitting at 49 out of 100 ought to tell you something. If you thought it was bad then...

Short answer: Yes, it's bad.

Long answer: They're trying to make it good in time for the PS3 version for a miraculous comeback.



Is it story? Graphics? Mechanics? Fundamentally beyond repair?
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#4 Mar 21 2011 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
I'll tell you what I tell everyone else that asks: I'm enjoying it. Though it had a rough start it has amazing potential. The game is free to play until further notice (I believe PS3 release), the software has come down in price as well. My recommendation would be to try it for yourself. The Collector's Edition came with a "friend pass", so if you know someone with a copy of the software you can use it temporarily without paying for it. Again, I'm enjoying it despite its current problems, but your mileage may vary.
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This is one of those things where you're going to get a variety of different answers. Your best bet is to buy it and try it out for yourself. For me, I can enjoy logging on and playing. I admit there isn't much in terms of content, but I can still log on and legitimately have fun. Every update its gotten better and better, and with some content and much needed battle mechanic changes I still have a lot of faith in the game. But basically, Mattkujata pretty much nailed it on the head.
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#6 Mar 21 2011 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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Eriston wrote:
Is it story? Graphics? Mechanics?


There was almost nothing in the FFXIV launch that wasn't spared harsh criticism. The environments had beautiful graphics, but the massive cut-paste job ruined anything good about it. The story has some nice cutscenes in the beginning, but there aren't nearly enough of them, and they're spread thin over several levels on the way to 50. Mechanics like lag, the "surplus" system, the monotony of the guildleve system, the exceedingly clunky interface, the lack of a viable economic infrastructure, the limitations on transportation, the randomness of skill-ups, the lack of content (I could go on, but I'll start running out of space) ruined the experience from being as enjoyable as it could have been.

Overall, the launch was terrible, and all the adjustments made since then are to adjust a substantial laundry list of problems that are still being worked on now.

Eriston wrote:
Fundamentally beyond repair?


That's the million dollar question. They are trying. We'll see if it works out.

Edited, Mar 21st 2011 9:56pm by ForceOfMeh
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The graphics are very good, but the terrain is largely copy/pasted and the animations for some actions are lackluster. There are only 5 zones at the moment, which are larger than FFXI zones but lack variety. Within the three starter zones there are also two dungeons in each zone. You don't zone into these dungeons like in FFXI, they're connected to the overworld.

There are class quests at 20, 30, and 36, and main scenario quests (think nation missions in FFXI) similarly spaced out at certain ranks.

Besides that, there is very little to do except grind every class to 50.

To do that, you do guildleves, 8 every 36 hours, which basically take the place of XP partying from FFXI. You go to a crystal out in the field, initiate the quest you accepted back in town, then slaughter stuff until quest is complete. There is nothing to do once you hit cap except farm the 5 world NMs and a few faction leve NMs. Faction leves are sort of like BCNMs, the guildleves that you do award you faction points which are kind of like Beastmen Seals. Once you have a certain amount of faction points saved up, you can accept the faction leve. Higher level faction leves are more like KSNM, with the ability to drop stones that you trade in for rare gear. Because you can only do 8 guildleves every 36 hours, it can take some time to build up enough points to do this.
Besides guildleves, there are local leves, again which you can accept 8 every 36 hours. These are quests for the crafting classes (blacksmith, weaver etc) which supply you with materials to make items for NPCs.

The jobs also have very little class uniqueness. The melee jobs feel very similar, and the 2 mage jobs are pretty much interchangeable.

The music is good (it is Uematsu, after all), but as it is a MMO it eventually wears thin.

Behests are probably the most fun you can have. Every hour at the top of the hour from a camp a NPC shows up and the first fifteen people to sign up goes with the NPC to kill monsters. At the busier camps, monsters die very quickly (think Dynamis).

Besides the above mentioned, the game is lacking basic functionality from FFXI, such as being able to search for players and send items, among other things.

Still, with all those flaws, it has potential to be a good game. It just needed another year in development.

Edit: Forgot to mention, there's no chocobos or airships at the moment, so travel is limited to being able to teleport to the aetheryte crystals you have been to. This uses a stat called anima, which regenerates really slowly.

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#8 Mar 21 2011 at 8:00 PM Rating: Excellent
ForceOfMeh wrote:

Eriston wrote:
Fundamentally beyond repair?

That's the million dollar question. They are trying. We'll see if it works out.


That is the question. I'm going to speculate no, it's not beyond repair. I played for the first two months after launch. Despite my frustrations with the aforementioned problems in ForceOfMeh's post, I enjoyed progressing. After a couple months I got bored though. I picked the game back up just before the server outage. Now, they have been updating it apparently twice a month for the past few months, but I came upon everything at once. Wow! The difference was night and day! My enthusiasm for the game was reborn. If they keep going like that I can see this game being exponentially more enjoyable as they approach the PS3 release. Back to the million dollar question: How many others feel the way I do? Will it be enough to warrant survival of the game? I think so... I hope so.

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#10 Mar 21 2011 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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I am on the same side as Mattkujata and Ipwnrice in the fact that I enjoy what the game has right now. Don't get me wrong, FFXIV is lacking storyline, quests, and the battle system needs refinement; but I can log in for the 2 free hours I have during the week nights and accomplish something, whether it is the daily leves, crafting gathering...

There are so many people on both sides of liking and hating FFXIV that it really would be to your best interest to get a CE edition, to share the pass with your wife. Since you will be playing on PS3, you can play knowing that it will be much better than it was when initially released on PC.
#11 Mar 21 2011 at 8:30 PM Rating: Good
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Read this thread. It's from these forums.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=130041045423536295&page=1
typing a reply to a thread like this for the 40th time gets redundant.
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It's decent, if you've played FFXI you should know by now how they released their expansions at first. Starting off with hardly any content and going along as we play through it. Think of XIV as that, only with the entire game.
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#13 Mar 21 2011 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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Eriston wrote:
ForceOfMeh wrote:
Eriston wrote:
My wife and I played FFXI from for about 5 years but cancelled our accounts since we weren't getting to play much. I tried the FFXIV benchmark on my PC but it crashed horribly. Figured I would give it a try on PS3 when it's released, but everything I'm reading about FFXIV is really bad. What are the major complaints about the game (whether you agree or not) and why are people generally put off by it? I'm not trolling, I promise, I just want an honest opinion from folks who've played FFXI like I have....not someone from IGN with little FFXI background.


You remember how the gaming press always seemed down on FFXI? If you look at the Metacritic score for FFXI (for the RoZ release) you'll see it has a nice 85 out of 100. So the fact FFXIV is sitting at 49 out of 100 ought to tell you something. If you thought it was bad then...

Short answer: Yes, it's bad.

Long answer: They're trying to make it good in time for the PS3 version for a miraculous comeback.



Is it story? Graphics? Mechanics? Fundamentally beyond repair?


Not beyond repair.

Graphics are amazing, aside from the re-used environments which are most noticable in the area of Gridania. Still, not a deal breaker.

Mechanics need work, and story is non-existent.

There is a storyline mission path, but you get 1 mission every 5-6 levels, which is ok until level 20 when leveling comes to a screeching slow pace. They just tried to make the game too "new" instead of keeping some things that worked from other games.

Levequests are the main way of leveling and they are repetitive and limited to 36 hour intervals. Jobs are fun but not diverse enough, fights are way to chaotic to implement teamwork and strategy, and really, outside of levequests and the new pseudo quests they just added, there is nothing to do besides craft or grind.

No NMs to hunt, no carrots to chase, no dungeons to crawl.

Still, I find it a fun diversion. Not nearly the FFXI-2 I hoped for and I currently play both because FFXIV just isn't fullfilling enough at the moment. But I have high hopes for it's future and it is not beyond repair.

But no matter how good they make it through patches, it will never lose the stigma it's gained from the gaming media and fans who left.
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It's still free, so it is that bad really lol
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I'd say it's worth trying IF you're a fan of FFXI, since it does seem like we're going to see an increasing return to what SE knows works.

That said, I'm not sure the game is there yet. If you liked FFXI, my advice is actually to go play FFXI, which has changed a lot and now lets even casual players experience what it's like to be über and powerful. There's an air of "one last crazy party for everyone before the end," but it's certainly fun, and will definitely last long enough for FFXIV to decisively make it or not.

Or, as much as I hate to say it, Rift (in direct contrast to FFXIV) is a really polished and smooth experience, and seems to be designed for players with some MMO background -- it's a little "post-MMO" in its efforts to build off of familiar concepts. It's more of a WoW than an FFXI, but the job system in particular is FF-ish (one character gets flexible job options over lots of jobs). It's not perfect, but I think it's the most polished MMO launch I've seen, and it's worth checking out if you're not keen to go back to FFXI and might want to wait a little longer on FFXIV.
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Oddly enough, thanks to this disaster that has kept us all from playing for over a week, I can safely say that I actually miss it despite it's myriad flaws. I agree it's a very beautiful game, and even with the rampant mapy-pasta that was done it still has quite a few hidden gems that I've discovered trying to get all the various camps and nodes unlocked. Some of them require getting past terrifying aggro though, or are seriously out of the way, but if you look to the maps and go to places with writing in eorzean on it, you usually aren't disappointed. (though some, like the shrine in thanalan, are anything but apparent unless you search for caves or tunnels that lead to special areas.) Things like the big white oak tree on an island surrounded by shallow water (and deadly monsters!), glowing softly with a green light, make it a treat for the eyes, and small details like a surprise dragonfly flying around in mor dhona make it even better. They even paid attention to how you perceive light when going from a dark building to bright outdoors, being momentarily blinded by bright light that fades to a more comfortable level, like your eyes are adjusting.

And the UI has been improving with each update as well. When I first started months ago I remember being frustrated at trying to sell all the useless brass earrings I had made to an NPC, and having it constantly glitch out and take forever. When the update came that made it streamlined I was so happy! And each update has brought further improvements to where the user interface feels intuitive for the most part, with promises of fixing the rest coming up and top priority.

I'll admit it's in need of a lot of work, but I think that with time it will make even FFXI look drab in comparison. Of course, no one likes waiting, but Yoshi-P and team seem dedicated to bringing updates on a timeframe that makes me wonder where they all were when I was playing FFXI. :D Maybe he killed them all and turned the dev team into untiring zombies?

My main beef really is lack of quests with real stories, like those FFXI has, and a boring battle system that has a few gems in it. Both of these, however, are right up there with the UI in being top fixes, and some quests have appeared! ...Sorta. They don't really have any real story to them, just kill X amount of monster for an item, but it's a start. And having done almost every single quest in windurst, bastok, jeuno, and a large portion of them in the rest of the areas, I can safely say that FFXI was just as bad for its first quests, and the older the game was, the better the quests got, starting from the boring old "get me 2 bat wings" "get a flint stone" quests that FFXI began with, to the hilarious "three men in a closet" of ToAU, to WotG and its plethora of epic quests. I'm sure very soon we'll be seeing some real drastic changes for the better as the first of the major content updates are polished and released.

In the meantime, I'm making all the gil I can make and hoarding it so I'll be a rich highlander for life! \o.o/
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#17 Mar 21 2011 at 10:32 PM Rating: Excellent
Seems like everyone I know who played at release, quit for several months and then came back is completely blown away by how much better the game is now.

A lot of people on these boards are jaded, because they've played since launch and haven't taken much of a break from the game... they're "fatigued" from the lack of content... which is unfortunately understandable. There's really not much to do in the game right now, other than fight and craft.

However, SE is busily revamping the game, and so far they've succeeded in making huge improvements since launch. Better UI, faster responses, NMs, some quests, more streamlined crafting, inventory improvements, better targeting, optimized party sizes, skill points corrections, etc... and according to the new producer, the biggest improvements are coming within the next two to three months.

So, no, this game isn't beyond repair. The big question is will a large enough chunk of the PS3 crowd get hooked. If this game has a strong ps3 release, it will be fine for years. If not, then, who knows what will happen.
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#18 Mar 21 2011 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm glad they lowered the optimal party size to 8, I can't believe that someone at SE thought that it would be a good idea to have 15 players max for your normal party size.
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Like others have said, it's not totally beyond repair but if they started charging people next week(just an example), I wouldn't pay to play it. There's still a lot that needs to be fixed for the game to get my money.
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I'm glad they lowered the optimal party size to 8, I can't believe that someone at SE thought that it would be a good idea to have 15 players max for your normal party size.


Actually, I believe the "optimal" party size will be 4 characters (which I personally feel is the right size) and the maximum will be 8.
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The fundamental mechanics are bad and they haven't been touched since the release so I'd say yes it's bad bad baaad.

The new director has thrown around some big word like "rebuild" and "overhaul" but during this and last year we've seen nothing but minor tweaks that are to be expected in any MMO.
The quest system is pretty horrible compared to XI too since there's almost no story to speak of. You've played XI so you know how strong the presentation of story is in that game. XIV quests don't have cutscenes either so that doesn't help.

The battle system is going to be tweaked next so I hope that's going to make the gameplay a lot better. We all just have to wait and see like we've done so far.
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Is it story? Graphics? Mechanics? Fundamentally beyond repair?


I could give you a long list of what I personally hated about it being a long time FFXI player but instead I'll simply say that since you want to buy it on the PS3 the probems were so bad that the release for that has been delayed to an unknown time. It will be at least a year and probably longer before the PS3 version sees the light of day, check back then to see if the work they are doing on the game now leads to something good by then.
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seiferdincht wrote:
The new director has thrown around some big word like "rebuild" and "overhaul" but during this and last year we've seen nothing but minor tweaks that are to be expected in any MMO.


To be fair, the sort of major overhaul the game deserves is going to take some time to complete, especially since, as Yoshida said, this is going to be the foundation of the whole system for years (the needs and workings of combat will pretty much touch every single aspect of the game when you get right down to it, right down to the materials for in-demand equipment) and they can't afford to get it wrong (again).

They've tossed in tweaks to spark interest and discussion (at least I hope that's the idea), but no one has mentioned charging you for it yet, so I have to believe they aren't under the impression this is enough to be completely satisfying.
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I have been playing Final Fantasy in some form since FF2/4 came out in the US and I was about 7 years old. I played FFXI off and on since NA release. It is the *only* video game my wife likes to play. Anyway, here are my thoughts:

I have fun playing FFXIV every time I log on. Theres never been a time where I was like ****, that was a waste.
I have fun questing, exploring, grouping, crafting, selling, etc.

The biggest factors I think are a) I love final fantasy in all forms, especially XI, b) I know Squareenix will make this game great, think about how many different things you could do in XI, c) I hate "mainstream" games. Pretty much if everyones character name is like PwnNoobs and they act like a toddler throwing a tantrum then it kind of ruins it for me (see WoW, Rift, Lineage2, etc etc).

Anyway, if you liked XI, and are an adult, and have a wife who liked XI, I think you will like XIV. :)

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KhaneOfRagnarok wrote:
I have fun playing FFXIV every time I log on. Theres never been a time where I was like ****, that was a waste.
I have fun questing, exploring, grouping, crafting, selling, etc.

The biggest factors I think are a) I love final fantasy in all forms, especially XI, b) I know Squareenix will make this game great, think about how many different things you could do in XI, c) I hate "mainstream" games.


And yet, I have this feeling if they stripped the words "Final Fantasy" from the title, you'd be so outta there...
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Anyway, if you liked XI, and are an adult, and have a wife who liked XI, I think you will like XIV. :)


I know a lot of people that play(ed) XI and tried XIV, all of them were annoyed at what they did with it and none of them play XIV anymore. Liking XI will give you no indication at all to if you will like XIV, far more XI players hate it than the other way around.

A better description is, if you like the basic idea of a FF world online but can't afford to pay any monthly sub try FFXIV. It's not very good but its free, personally I would rather have a lighter lunch and have a more enjoyable game to play in my free time if I was hard up but to each their own.
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Actually FFXIV is technically beyond repair. Even a chimp knows what happens to an MMO if it launches and fails in this current market. take a look at War. It failed like crap at launch, now it's an acceptable game and players still refuse to play it. This will happen to FFXIV as well, it doesn't matter how good it will get in 1-2 years. It's craptastic release will be forever in people's mind.

There is no such thing as a second chance for an MMO.

Furthermore the notion of SE taking 1 year to fix this game is funny. If this game doesn't get fixed by Q4 of 2011 (or summer of 2011 just because I am that pessimistic), this game will be forever be remembered as the worst mainstream mmo ever created. Guild Wars 2, SWTOR, Secret World Online, Firefall, Diablo 3,etc is coming. It doesn't matter if you like this game or not, the fact still remains, SE has to pick up their sh-t if it wants this game to survive another year.

A good example of a competent MMO company is Trion, they get stuff done literally within a week of the issue. They listen to their communities input. Blizzard does this as well, except blizzard also takes suggestion from extremely vocal minorities. Sadly SE hardly listens to anybody except themselves, they only started to open their eyes (no racism intended) when people started to leave in droves.

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There is no such thing as a second chance for an MMO.


There's a lot of precedent to back up that claim. However, there are a couple of wild cards in this hand that might, might break the pattern.

First, there's the multi-platform aspect. The sea of failed MMOs is awash with PC exclusives. You never see them offered up on a new platform for any attempted comeback. The war for FFXIV will be fought on the PS3, and as is commonly known, the Japanese much prefer the PS3 platform over the PC. Offering the game on a new platform (probably in conjunction with an expansion) is also a solid way of bringing game reviewers back to the table to give the game a second chance. If they do well (this time), it might actually work out. Maybe. It's new ground, as far as I know, so we'll see.

Second, SE has demonstrated that they are committed to seeing this through. The reputation of their flagship series is at stake, and they intend to repair it. Usually a failing MMO has nowhere to go but down. Without money from subscribers or micro-transactions, there's nothing to use to bail it out from its inevitable demise. In this case, SE is willing to double down from its (presumably) strategic reserve for just such an emergency.
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There is no such thing as a second chance for an MMO.


Missed the memo on Dungeons and Dragons: Online, did we? About how Turbine basically revamped a smorgasbord of things to the game, ranging from tiered methods to pay for it to entire game changes, and in turn saw the game come back with a vengeance compared to how badly it flagged at the beginning?

Not to say FFXIV can or can not be saved from a fate in obscurity. Just saying, well ... yeah. That blanket statement towards MMOs as a whole is wholly inaccurate. While it is not a regular occurrence, it's not a black and white thing. Sorry.


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Missed the memo on Dungeons and Dragons: Online, did we? About how Turbine basically revamped a smorgasbord of things to the game, ranging from tiered methods to pay for it to entire game changes, and in turn saw the game come back with a vengeance compared to how badly it flagged at the beginning?

You have to take into account tho, that what revived that game was going f2p along with the big revamps. SE is still charging for the client and unless the coming changes make the game absolutely the awesomestest MMORPG it's gonna be hard to convince people to pay for the box after the rough start.

I am hoping both the changes will be awesome and SE will be smart enough to figure out how to get people to try out the game.
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They changed the fortune of the game by lowering profit expectations and making it totaly free, free to download the game and no sub costs ever. That is a move I can never see Square doing, they can't even sell it off to another company to be run ftp unless they change the name.
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Good point, but I think going free-to-play is a bit of a booby prize for players expecting subscription-based play. It gives the MMO a second chance, sure enough, but the fundamental nature of its play style can't help but be permanently altered by giving paying customers a far better experience than those who pay less. And as a game like FEZ proves, going F2P is not a guarantee of success.

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#33 Mar 22 2011 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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My wife and I played FFXI for about 5 years but cancelled our accounts since we weren't getting to play much. I tried the FFXIV benchmark on my PC but it crashed horribly. Figured I would give it a try on PS3 when it's released, but everything I'm reading about FFXIV is really bad. What are the major complaints about the game (whether you agree or not) and why are people generally put off by it? I'm not trolling, I promise, I just want an honest opinion from folks who've played FFXI like I have....not someone from IGN with little FFXI background.

Edited, Mar 21st 2011 9:32pm by Eriston


It's not that its bad. Its more like, we were expecting something much more grand.
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#34 Mar 22 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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The game isn't horrible by any means. I just think the majority of the gaming community thought they would at least take what they learned from XI and apply it to XIV. They had a good foundation to build on with XI. They could have removed the bad and improved on the good. But instead, they decided to drop everything and start from scratch for whatever crazy reason.

And when considering that probably the majority of their potential XIV player base are FFXI players, it was a very big mistake to go that route, IMO. It's a fast and easy way to alienate your target crowd and faithful fans.

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#35 Mar 22 2011 at 8:55 PM Rating: Default
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14 is fine, it just became the hip thing to hate 14, that everyone says its horrible. It's like everyone was playing it, then the reviews came out, and everyone was like "OMG this game sucks!"

The main reasons 14 had such a bad rap at the beginning were not having an AH, and the laggy UI. Both of which have been fixed. 14 just needs content now, and it will be great!
#36 Mar 22 2011 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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True, but thanks to the PS3 it gets to launch again. It'll get a whole new round of reviews (including from several very influential console-only Japanese magazines that haven't looked at it yet), and suddenly go from a market that sees several big new MMOs every year to one that sees only a few... ever, and also one in which a game's graphics aren't outdated nearly as quickly. Fortunately for SE, the console market and the PC market are still meaningfully different, and that means that failing "in the current market" still leaves another market for a re-launch.

I'm not optimistic, honestly, but there's no denying that the PS3 launch *is* basically a chance for a do-over. SE is unlikely to ever achieve the large combined audience it obviously hoped for, but there are still 50 million PS3s out there.
#37 Mar 22 2011 at 10:20 PM Rating: Default
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IDK i bought Rift, it is not bad, no discussion involved, to me if you have ot ask if a game is bad is " that bad" then it probably is. I did not enjoy my time im ff14, the worst thing about it is everythign was so close to being phenomenal that all the bad crap was glaringly obvious, kinda that that super hot chick so close to being perfect and then she talks and it is the uttermost horrible sound you ever heard, if she was approachable and not superhot it would not be as bad but she is not so it is
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#38 Mar 22 2011 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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IDK i bought Rift, it is not bad, no discussion involved, to me if you have ot ask if a game is bad is " that bad" then it probably is. I did not enjoy my time im ff14, the worst thing about it is everythign was so close to being phenomenal that all the bad crap was glaringly obvious, kinda that that super hot chick so close to being perfect and then she talks and it is the uttermost horrible sound you ever heard, if she was approachable and not superhot it would not be as bad but she is not so it is


Strange, everyone I know that's played Rift came back to 14.
#39 Mar 22 2011 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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I guess I could use the same lame analogy for Rift.

WoW, is like my ex boyfriend. I liked him, I spent a lot of years with him, he kept me entertained for a while, but everything got old and boring. Rift is like my ex, but maybe a little better looking, but he says and does all the same boring things my ex did. In comes 14, so gorgeous, and full of possibilities. So different then what I'm used to. He dares to do what the others didn't, knowing that he could possibly fall flat on his face. He just needs a little molding, and he can be the perfect man! :P


BriktheImmortal wrote:
IDK i bought Rift, it is not bad, no discussion involved, to me if you have ot ask if a game is bad is " that bad" then it probably is. I did not enjoy my time im ff14, the worst thing about it is everythign was so close to being phenomenal that all the bad crap was glaringly obvious, kinda that that super hot chick so close to being perfect and then she talks and it is the uttermost horrible sound you ever heard, if she was approachable and not superhot it would not be as bad but she is not so it is




Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 1:25am by Rhea85
#40 Mar 22 2011 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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I guess I could use the same lame analogy for Rift.

WoW, is like my ex boyfriend. I liked him, I spent a lot of years with him, he kept me entertained for a while, but everything got old and boring. Rift is like my ex, but maybe a little better looking, but he says and does all the same boring things my ex did. In comes 14, so gorgeous, and full of possibilities. So different then what I'm used to. He dares to do what the others didn't, knowing that he could possibly fall flat on his face. He just needs a little molding, and he can be the perfect man! :P


BriktheImmortal wrote:
IDK i bought Rift, it is not bad, no discussion involved, to me if you have ot ask if a game is bad is " that bad" then it probably is. I did not enjoy my time im ff14, the worst thing about it is everythign was so close to being phenomenal that all the bad crap was glaringly obvious, kinda that that super hot chick so close to being perfect and then she talks and it is the uttermost horrible sound you ever heard, if she was approachable and not superhot it would not be as bad but she is not so it is




Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 1:25am by Rhea85


Its full of possibilities because it that BAD :) This is not a game that is good, with possibilities of becoming GREAT, this is a game thats so bad that anything that they add or fix is an improvement :)
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I guess I could use the same lame analogy for Rift.

WoW, is like my ex boyfriend. I liked him, I spent a lot of years with him, he kept me entertained for a while, but everything got old and boring. Rift is like my ex, but maybe a little better looking, but he says and does all the same boring things my ex did. In comes 14, so gorgeous, and full of possibilities. So different then what I'm used to. He dares to do what the others didn't, knowing that he could possibly fall flat on his face. He just needs a little molding, and he can be the perfect man! :P


Great. Now I feel like a woman. -_-
#42 Mar 22 2011 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Its full of possibilities because it that BAD :) This is not a game that is good, with possibilities of becoming GREAT, this is a game thats so bad that anything that they add or fix is an improvement :)


Please shoot me if I end up with so little to do in my life that I need to troll in a forum of a game that I think is so bad...

And no, it's full of possibilities because the engine of the game, characters, animations, mobs, and detail, are so amazing.

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#43 Mar 22 2011 at 11:59 PM Rating: Good
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Its full of possibilities because it that BAD :) This is not a game that is good, with possibilities of becoming GREAT, this is a game thats so bad that anything that they add or fix is an improvement :)

Going to beg to differ with this:
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Great. Now I feel like a woman. -_-

FFXIV has the absolute best rendered females of any game, anywhere, ever. Except maybe Lulu. Say what you want about anything else, but in this respect, the game shines. Although, I really wish they'd gone with Viera as well...
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#44 Mar 23 2011 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Have you every been ripped off badly and always felt bad about it and no matter how many people tried to sugar coat it and make you feel better it doesn't help? well this is one of those times you can prevent yourself from making a bad mistake. There are only a few people left that actually still like the game, infact after I heard about people saying how much better it now is, I decided to log on and see, in 30 minutes, I seen NO-ONE fighting, no shouts for missions quest or parties at all. The only people I seen where hords of AFK people selling trash in bazzars, now if that is your idea of the the next generation MMO then this is your game.
moreover, this website is hosted by an individual who removes bad comments from people generally and locks them so any of the comments you do see have been filtered by Pikko. Trust me, even the retail price of the game is a waste of money. If SE's goals where making the most boring MMO of all times that required the highest computer specs of all times, then they have more than exceeded.
There are to many good games out there to be trapped in this game. like many have stated, once the game had a release this bad, with the amount of MMO's out today it was pretty much over. A question for you to ponder on, Do you think a game after 6 Months on the market with all of the battle fields empty and everyone standing around doing nothing is going to turn around?
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moreover, this website is hosted by an individual who removes bad comments from people generally and locks them so any of the comments you do see have been filtered by Pikko.

Gah. If only that were true.

XIV needs moar gardening.
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#46 Mar 23 2011 at 12:27 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV has the absolute best rendered females of any game, anywhere, ever. Except maybe Lulu. Say what you want about anything else, but in this respect, the game shines. Although, I really wish they'd gone with Viera as well...

Sorry, no way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIO8WV4TJ4U&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XGmM9MH7vo&feature=related&hd=1

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#47 Mar 23 2011 at 12:43 AM Rating: Good
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Sluttier clothing is all I see really. Less detail, and all the females look the same to me, have the same build etc. And the emotes are way better on 14 from what I've seen.


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Sluttier clothing is all I see really. Less detail, and all the females look the same to me, have the same build etc. And the emotes are way better on 14 from what I've seen.

lol really?

let's agree to disagree
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Wintersage wrote:

FFXIV has the absolute best rendered females of any game, anywhere, ever. Except maybe Lulu. Say what you want about anything else, but in this respect, the game shines. Although, I really wish they'd gone with Viera as well...

Sorry, no way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIO8WV4TJ4U&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XGmM9MH7vo&feature=related&hd=1

It looks like Tera has a lot more customization options, but I'd still say FFXIV has better rendered characters in general.
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Sluttier clothing is all I see really. Less detail, and all the females look the same to me, have the same build etc. And the emotes are way better on 14 from what I've seen.




They do look more like they're about to do a show in Vegas than go out fighting dragons. It's all super-revealing evening dresses and plate mail bikinis.
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True, but thanks to the PS3 it gets to launch again.


The truth is the best the PS3 launch could possibly do is become a success in Japan and a failure everywhere else, idk if you have really played a really heavily JP dominated game before but that's not something you will enjoy. FFXI players changed as the years went on, FFXIV will be dominated worse than FFXI ever was and they will do their utmost to exclude you from everything.

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This is nonsense, you really need to look what others are doing now. Added to this and maybe it's just me but I honestly still prefer the models in FFXI, they feel more real. I loved my mithra char in FFXI, the mi'quote just didn't gel with me at all, they looked pretty but were missing something. They lacked the charm of the models they ripped from XI. They also didn't seem to work as wel ingame as they looked in character creation, idk if it was the animation or what but they seemed a lot less appealing when you got to play the game with them.

Mithra fighting Maat on pld video below, they tried to give the race more charm and more individuality in XI, Mi'quote don't move like cat girls at all..they just move like some human race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOhIOrnHDl8&playnext=1&list=PL134A3F173D60FFBE

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Sluttier clothing is all I see really. Less detail, and all the females look the same to me, have the same build etc. And the emotes are way better on 14 from what I've seen.


FFXIV is as bad, it's almost impossible to go for 5 mins in a city without seeing that slutty top they added with the boobs spilling out the top or panty shots in the cutscenes. The base character creation for male elvans too is obvious eye candy for female gamers. All MMOs do this, just some do it better than others.


Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 6:22am by preludes

Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 6:28am by preludes
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