If we include THM into the mix I would put them second to ARC, only because all the THMs i play with have a secondary healing role as well. A full dedicated DD THM would be a very powerful.
This is a good point. In terms of DPS this may seem like a drawback, but in the bigger picture, having plenty of AoE cures available to your party is essential.
It's good to see a earnest discussion of this nature on the ZAM forum. Responses seem well thought out and clearly stated.
For my part, I've heard that PUG can lay out huge damage. Is this overstated?
Considering THM should be tanking Dodore/Goblins, there's no reason for it to have to heal anyone else. The other 2 NMs that people actually fight (Buffalo/Peiste), only 1 healer is even necessary, on account of Sac III having 90 tick regen, and that Sac III only needs to be done once every other attack from Buffalo/Peiste, so I don't really see how that slows THM down much, if at all.
And, sadly, yes. PUG laying out huge damage just simply isn't true. inb4 someone comes in with "well my
Just because one person made a video on soloing dodore and goblin on youtube does not make it the standard for playing this game. Saying stuff like "THMs should be tanking dodore/goblin" takes away from the experience of playing this game with your friends. If we let our THMs tank those NMs what would we tell our dedicated gladiator whose been one of the most loyal and dedicated members of our ls? Go fetch a beer and enjoy the fight?
Its not always about killing things in the shortest amount of time with the most optimal setup. Although ideally over time as more people level more jobs this will be the case.. but with the current state of the game being what it is we are usually forced to find the most efficient way to kill a mob with the jobs we are given, so everyone continues to enjoy the game and stay interested. And although job roles and responsibilities are not clearly defined yet, most people still have certain expectations and roles they wish to fulfill in a party (i.e. mages like to play the traditional support/DD role, and gladiators level their jobs to tank for the entire party).
You sir need to stop assuming that everyone has 8 level 50 jobs leveled and that parties who tank dodore with a gladiator and 2-3 mages supporting on cure (including THMs) are being noob.
This thread wasn't made to argue what one wants to do with a party setup to have fun, it was made to see what the most powerful class was. And since, mathematically, THM without any other classes leveled whatsoever bests someone on GLA with every class at 50 in those 2 fights, it is optimal
for THM to be tanking both of those NMs. Do what you want to have fun, but those are the facts.
Also, I found out that THM can solo Great Buffalo... albeit, in over 2 hours time. We already knew that Tarbh was soloable... but, yep... so is the big one.