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#1 Apr 04 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
How do you feel about the upcoming changes to the battle system?
I am very excited. I am quite unhappy with the current system.:36 (30.5%)
I am not going crazy about it, but the changes sound good, and should be a solid improvement over the current system.:39 (33.1%)
I am tentative about the changes, but will keep an open mind. Not gonna make any early judgements.:27 (22.9%)
The battle system may or may not be the best, but I do not like the direction the changes are heading.:7 (5.9%)
I don't know what the **** SE is thinking. What they are doing makes me want to smash my PC to pieces with my own face.:5 (4.2%)
Other(Please explain.):4 (3.4%)
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Choice 1 for me. I have avoided doing any DoW/M for that reason alone. Maybe the changes will satisfy me enough that I will be interested in actually fighting stuff. lol
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#2 Apr 04 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have no idea what the changes are actually going to be...
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#3 Apr 04 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
How do you feel about the upcoming changes...
I have no strong feelings one way or the other. All I know is my gut says maybe.
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#4 Apr 04 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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How about a link to the actual change or a description of what's being changed.
#5 Apr 04 2011 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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How about a link to the actual change or a description of what's being changed.


Letter from the Producer III

This was the last complete overview of what they were working on. Since then they have made some changes listed here:

Patch 1.15b
Patch 1.16
Patch 1.16a

But as you can see in the Battle System area there are still some major changes coming.

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#6 Apr 04 2011 at 4:06 PM Rating: Default
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Well, I enjoy the current battle system. I enjoy being a meleeing mage. However, I am going to keep an open mind. The changes that have been made have not hindered my ability to solo/duo.
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#7 Apr 04 2011 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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Other. Kind of a mix of 1 & 3. I'm actually excited and intrigued to see how these changes turn out. But I'm not all that confident that it's gonna be a great thing just yet. It has the chance to be something good though...
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I thought there had been some release of future info, but if you're just going by patches and letters to the producer, I'm still 100% behind the changes. I have never seen a game with a worse battle system, and I cannot think of a single realistic change that would make it worse. From what they have suggested, I can see it getting more acceptable, but they are barely addressing the tip of the iceberg. This could be their biggest opportunity to make a stand in the MMO scene by reworking their system into something thats creative, fresh, and enjoyable.
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Excited but tired of waiting. I've put this game on hold until the next updates arrive.

I think they're doing the changes in right order but as a player I'll probably play more only when there's something other to play than the one leve-thing.
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
How do you feel about the upcoming changes...
I have no strong feelings one way or the other. All I know is my gut says maybe.
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on one hand its good that they are listening to the fans. On the other hand its scary that they are willing to do anything that fans say or complain about. Like they are in the hole so bad they are willing to jump through hoops spending all their time and resources changing things that perhaps doesn't really need changing.
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On the other hand its scary that they are willing to do anything that fans say or complain about.

I have yet to see a community requested change that turns out to be bad for the game. If you think about it, the game probably would be better already if they paid more attention to what players request.

Side quests? Crap. We told them we wanted quests with good background story, or worthwhile rewards, best both. We got stupid fetch quests with crap rewards.

Targeting system? I've seen 5 suggestions for a working targeting system tons better than theirs in the boards. They came up with an alternative so useless that they had to include the previously broken one as an option.

This is not meant to be a complaint, just a couple of examples of how the community seems to know what the game needs to be successful.
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#13 Apr 05 2011 at 2:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Side quests? Crap. We told them we wanted quests with good background story, or worthwhile rewards, best both. We got stupid fetch quests with crap rewards.


True for existing players who have no need for that stuff, but for the new player those rewards are free gear that they'd otherwise have to overpay NPC prices for or probably not find crafters making much of that stuff. Otherwise I agree. Hopefully future sidequests don't continue in that same style...
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True for existing players who have no need for that stuff, but for the new player those rewards are free gear that they'd otherwise have to overpay NPC prices for or probably not find crafters making much of that stuff. Otherwise I agree. Hopefully future sidequests don't continue in that same style...


You mean gear that crafters can't sell anymore because everyone and their mom can just get it from a sidequest.

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Outside of a few little things, such as leveling being a bit too repetitive (same mobs, same behest situations, similar leve objectives), i'm actually quite happy with how the game is currently set up with all it's features and game controls. The game is in my perspective actually fine the way it is. I'm fine with refining the current systems in place, sure. But blatently changing them goes a little too far in my book.

It would be a shame if they were to toss all of that uniqueness out just so they could be generic-pretty-looking-MMO-with-the-same-UI #31.
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#16 Apr 05 2011 at 3:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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True for existing players who have no need for that stuff, but for the new player those rewards are free gear that they'd otherwise have to overpay NPC prices for or probably not find crafters making much of that stuff. Otherwise I agree. Hopefully future sidequests don't continue in that same style...


You mean gear that crafters can't sell anymore because everyone and their mom can just get it from a sidequest.


I dunno. A lot of it seems to be generic stuff crafters don't bother making too often(I've only done up to the r25 ones so not sure about beyond that). And then the crafters can still make money on the dyed versions of some of those items for people who don't want the generic stuff. That somewhat makes up for it, but really I think the high dependence on crafters for **** near everything had to be changed up a bit. A lot of people didn't like that and probably think the crafters still have too much control in that regard. Some low-level items are pretty high-priced on my server because they tend to be harder to find than the high-level ones. If you can find them at all.
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#17 Apr 05 2011 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
How do you feel about the upcoming changes to the battle system?


It really does look like your avatar is asking me this question, and awaiting patiently and attentively for my response.

Edited, Apr 5th 2011 8:51am by reptiletim
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#18 Apr 05 2011 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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RedGalka wrote:
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True for existing players who have no need for that stuff, but for the new player those rewards are free gear that they'd otherwise have to overpay NPC prices for or probably not find crafters making much of that stuff. Otherwise I agree. Hopefully future sidequests don't continue in that same style...


You mean gear that crafters can't sell anymore because everyone and their mom can just get it from a sidequest.

Edited, Apr 5th 2011 11:20am by RedGalka

Yeah I heard life got much harder for goldsmiths now that a rank 35 sidequest gives out black pearl earrings!
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#19 Apr 05 2011 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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True for existing players who have no need for that stuff, but for the new player those rewards are free gear that they'd otherwise have to overpay NPC prices for or probably not find crafters making much of that stuff. Otherwise I agree. Hopefully future sidequests don't continue in that same style...


You mean gear that crafters can't sell anymore because everyone and their mom can just get it from a sidequest.

Edited, Apr 5th 2011 11:20am by RedGalka

Yeah I heard life got much harder for goldsmiths now that a rank 35 sidequest gives out black pearl earrings!



If these quests had a proper story and cutscenes I wouldn't even need this random gear they hand out.
#20 Apr 05 2011 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Alchemist StateAlchemist2 wrote:
How do you feel about the upcoming changes to the battle system?


It really does look like your avatar is asking me this question, and awaiting patiently and attentively for my response.

Edited, Apr 5th 2011 8:51am by reptiletim


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#21 Apr 05 2011 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Ilean wrote:
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True for existing players who have no need for that stuff, but for the new player those rewards are free gear that they'd otherwise have to overpay NPC prices for or probably not find crafters making much of that stuff. Otherwise I agree. Hopefully future sidequests don't continue in that same style...


You mean gear that crafters can't sell anymore because everyone and their mom can just get it from a sidequest.

Edited, Apr 5th 2011 11:20am by RedGalka

Yeah I heard life got much harder for goldsmiths now that a rank 35 sidequest gives out black pearl earrings!



If these quests had a proper story and cutscenes I wouldn't even need this random gear they hand out.

Yup, some decent story, some exp reward, and a little extra (ex: 4 anima). Doesn't have to be a big prize if they balance it.
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#22 Apr 05 2011 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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Choice 3!

But no, seriously, I didn't vote.
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#23 Apr 05 2011 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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Scape13 wrote:
on one hand its good that they are listening to the fans. On the other hand its scary that they are willing to do anything that fans say or complain about. Like they are in the hole so bad they are willing to jump through hoops spending all their time and resources changing things that perhaps doesn't really need changing.



That's because they are in a hole so bad that they are willing to do what their fans want, and btw I think many of us have very good and valid ideas as we have been playing many different MMOs and have generally found what works and doesn't work. We all screamed for SE to listen to us. Now they are, and yet you say this...

P.S /facepalm

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crazyorc wrote:
Scape13 wrote:
on one hand its good that they are listening to the fans. On the other hand its scary that they are willing to do anything that fans say or complain about. Like they are in the hole so bad they are willing to jump through hoops spending all their time and resources changing things that perhaps doesn't really need changing.



That's because they are in a hole so bad that they are willing to do what their fans want, and btw I think many of us have very good and valid ideas as we have been playing many different MMOs and have generally found what works and doesn't work. We all screamed for SE to listen to us. Now they are, and yet you say this...

P.S /facepalm

Edited, Apr 5th 2011 8:15pm by crazyorc


When I read Scape's post, I spent about a minute trying to think of what systems he was thinking of that don't need changing or improvement. Couldn't find one.
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#25 Apr 06 2011 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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I want to be excited about future changes but after the side quest let down I dont have much faith in SE making me say "HOLY **** THIS IS AWSOME!"
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#26 Apr 06 2011 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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Sure, I want more stuff/better stuff. But only if said stuff is done right. So far I've not been terribly impressed. SE may make this a good game yet, but it isn't going to happen soon.
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#27 Apr 06 2011 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sure, I want more stuff/better stuff. But only if said stuff is done right. So far I've not been terribly impressed. SE may make this a good game yet, but it isn't going to happen soon.



Agreed. The launch wasn't good, and the players are not satisfied with what changes have been made. I am hoping that during these patches they havensome devs working on an expansion for he PS3 release that would hopefully turn this game around.
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"Cautiously optimistic"...but I wish we had some more concrete and detailed plans as to what they are actually going to be implementing. Looking at empty promises from two months ago and vague / ambiguous follow-up in subsequent patch notes isn't very reassuring for me personally. I still don't know exactly what they are going to do with things like the battle system, or companies, etc.

I wouldn't put too much stock into their grandiose manifesto from two (2) months ago; things change over time and reality sets in. When I was 10 years old, if you asked me what I was going to be when I grow-up, I would have said an astronaut. Needless to say, I'm not posting this from outer-space...
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I wouldn't put too much stock into their grandiose manifesto from two

How many...!?
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from two (2) months ago

Oh, alright.
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#30 Apr 06 2011 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldn't put too much stock into their grandiose manifesto from two

How many...!?
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from two (2) months ago

Oh, alright.


It helps. It's a standard notation for legal documents and it makes me wonder what industry thejones is in.

On topic: I'm really just waiting for them to add UP/DOWN party selection to sub-targeting. I expect a functional targeting system will make battle much more enjoyable.
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It helps. It's a standard notation for legal documents and it makes me wonder what industry thejones is in.

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When I was 10 years old

When you were HOW many years old??
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Haha, habit >< thanks for calling me out on it. They brainwash you in three (3) years of law school and you forget how to not write like an a$$hole all the time. Smashington hit that one on the head, must be in the legal world as well...
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Haha, habit >< thanks for calling me out on it. They brainwash you in three (3) years of law school and you forget how to not write like an a$$hole all the time. Smashington hit that one on the head, must be in the legal world as well...


That's rather funny because, in humanities, that same notation is used to specify the page number for evidence or an in-text citation.

We should gather one lawyer and one scholar together and craft a document about which nobody's quite sure! :D
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There's great money to be made in crafting important documents that only we can understand. We must unite the clans!
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We are an MEP firm (Mechanical, Electrical, Plumbing) and we create construction bid documents. Typical notes include: Provide two (2) reduced pressure valves, relocate three (3) recirculating pumps, replace one (1) pressure gauge, ect. All day, everyday.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one (1).

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