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#1 Apr 06 2011 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was just curious to see how many people went back to, or are planning to return to FFXI until the issues with FFXIV are resolved. I know for me that recent attempts to play have left me sad and nostalgic for FFXI. There was something special about donning the leather armor and heading to the dunes for your first real party. Even though you weren't a high level, the gear was pretty awesome, (maybe with a few exceptions like low level slops.), spells, abilities, and traits were exciting, and signet gave a sense of pride in your home nation. All-in-all I liked the character/feel/presentation of FFXI much more than XIV,and while I feel that it has come a long way in the past few updates, it made me miss Vana'Diel more than it made me want to continue playing.

What are your thoughts? Will you be returning to Vana'diel?
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#2 Apr 06 2011 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Disappointments with XIV definitely made me miss XI recently. I considered going back and probably would have at least for a short time if I still had a character. Though I've heard it's much easier now to start over in XI, I didn't feel up to it. Also, after the "man I missed this game!" feeling wears off I expect I would start to remember why I left. Plus I'm cheap and XIV is without monthly fees for now = D

I did give a return to XI some serious consideration though...

Edited, Apr 6th 2011 4:27pm by TwistedOwl
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KromaOdin wrote:
I know for me that recent attempts to play have left me sad and nostalgic for FFXI. There was something special about donning the leather armor and heading to the dunes for your first real party. Even though you weren't a high level, the gear was pretty awesome... spells, abilities, and traits were exciting, and signet gave a sense of pride in your home nation. All-in-all I liked the character/feel/presentation of FFXI much more than XIV,and while I feel that it has come a long way in the past few updates, it made me miss Vana'Diel more than it made me want to continue playing.


While I certainly agree with everything you have said, I shan't be going back to FFXI. I think that FFXI will ever remain the best MMO experience I ever had but the community has dwindled, full-size expansions are long past and, sadly, the taper upon which obsession once burned has at last extinguished. >_<

It was a wonderful six years but, like childhood, it is a place that exists in memory, to which we can never return - it just occurred to me that Wordsworth wrote it best:

"...And now, with gleams of half-extinguished thought,
With many recognitions dim and faint,
And somewhat of a sad perplexity,
The picture of the mind revives again:
While here I stand, not only with the sense
Of present pleasure, but with pleasing thoughts
That in this moment there is life and food
For future years. And so I dare to hope,
Though changed, no doubt, from what I was when first
I came among these hills; when like a roe
I bounded o'er the mountains, by the sides
Of the deep rivers, and the lonely streams,
Wherever nature led: more like a man
Flying from something that he dreads, than one
Who sought the thing he loved. For nature then
(The coarser pleasures of my boyish days,
And their glad animal movements all gone by)
To me was all in all. -- I cannot paint
What then I was. The sounding cataract
Haunted me like a passion: the tall rock,
The mountain, and the deep and gloomy wood,
Their colours and their forms, were then to me
An appetite; a feeling and a love,
That had no need of a remoter charm,
By thought supplied, nor any interest
Unborrowed from the eye. -- That time is past,
And all its aching joys are now no more,
And all its dizzy raptures. Not for this
Faint I, nor mourn nor murmur, other gifts
Have followed; for such loss, I would believe,
Abundant recompence..."
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#4 Apr 06 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Im not. i havent been back since easy mode got switched. i remember XI as a Group Oriented Game that was fun, a game that emphasized you explore the world around you, a game that no matter how many time you tried to quit you'd find your self back in less than a week.

it started with ********* then those goddamned books in field, then the economy went to ****, all those that were legit could no longer farm for gil without SE gimping the drop rate or the price, all those that were not legit it did not matter they got there millions of gil the way they always got it. then SE released abyssa and along with it a way to get from 1-60 in less than 2 weeks, negating the very core of the game.

i want to remember it the way it was, not the dog **** it has become.
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I rejoined with 3 of my friends and we're having a blast. I got Diabolos last night, helped with a CoP mission, solo'd with my npc, started a Trial of the Magians piece, and enjoyed every minute of it. I can't wait to get back on tonight and make some more progress. I'm constantly distracted by all there is left to do. This past weekend I hit level 90 and got some good gear too.

My friends and I were absolutely disappointed with FFXIV and of us I'm the only one who still has it installed and updated. I log in from time to time to see whats up but never for long because I get bored with it and just switch back over to FFXI. ****, there's still ToAU missions to do! And WotG! So many areas, quests, content that FFXIV doesn't have. There's depth in FFXI that you dont feel in FFXIV. Dont get me wrong, I dont want FFXIV to be FFXI-2, but the gameplay and content isn't there. I highly recommend anyone thinking about FFXI to give it a try, especially if you've played it before. There's a substantial difference, and it's not just due to nostalgia.
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#6 Apr 06 2011 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh wow, I didn't know Abyssa was that much of a game breaker. I played XI for about two (2) years right around NA release. I got nostalgic, and consider myself fortunate to have come for a second stint in XI from Summer 2008 - Summer 2009 (approximately, to the best of my recollection). Towards the end of my 2nd tour in FFXI, they had implemented level synch mechanics and the field books were just starting to pop up. When I left the game, people were going from 20-75 in Qufim Island level synch parties and I saw the writing on the wall...

I really had a great experience my 2nd time through the game, and if Abyssa has really changed the game that much, I consider myself lucky to have experienced FFXI not once but twice.
#7 Apr 06 2011 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
I returned to FFXI yesterday and I am loving it!
I am just playing for fun with a few friends and it's a blast.

I am also finding a LOT OF people that I used to play long time ago that have returned as well and we are all like "heyyy, I remember you, we did Nyzul together" etc... A lot of funnn funn fun :)
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#8 Apr 06 2011 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Im not. i havent been back since easy mode got switched. i remember XI as a Group Oriented Game that was fun, a game that emphasized you explore the world around you, a game that no matter how many time you tried to quit you'd find your self back in less than a week.

it started with sh*tsync, then those goddamned books in field, then the economy went to sh*t, all those that were legit could no longer farm for gil without SE gimping the drop rate or the price, all those that were not legit it did not matter they got there millions of gil the way they always got it. then SE released abyssa and along with it a way to get from 1-60 in less than 2 weeks, negating the very core of the game.

i want to remember it the way it was, not the dog sh*t it has become.


You must be having a ball playing FFXIV then, right?
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#9 Apr 06 2011 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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I went back to FFXI shortly after FFXIV released, but I just wasn't into abyssea. Missed other content too much. I liked being able to merit for an hour or two and just leave, but now in FFXI you have to merit for an hour just to build up lights and chains to start getting decent exp, so to get the mystically high exp/hour people brag about now you need to dedicate a massive chunk of time. Just disappointed in the system. Been so put off by that so I stopped playing FFXI too and now only play FFXIV when a new patch comes out so I can see that not enough has changed to be worth getting into FFXIV again.
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#10 Apr 06 2011 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
alot of my LS did, I personally can't. I know it's easier to get to cap and such now... but I have fond memories of taking around 2 years to get THF to 75. I remember my struggles and such, but I also recall the things I did in the down time from 60ish on up. No party for 30 min? Fine level up something else, make THF/BLU viable make THF/SAM viable, get every job to 35 at least to test it and disprove its lack of effectiveness as THF sub etc...

I didn't care much about Gods or anything, but I had a good time with my LS doing the stuff. THF knife was my ultimate triumph, I spent MONTHS going after it. I'd had a few on loan during the time, but I wanted to get my own. I had loads of time sunk into things that people complain about, and I actually had fun even though I ******* about it until I got the items or accomplishment.

I can't go back. I know there are new challenges, but I don't care. It's like playing a classic console RPG on an emulator, I know I played it back in the day... but unless I have nothing else to do I won't do it. Obviously there are ones I replay over and over, but it's not the same as the first time.



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#11 Apr 06 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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I personally can't attest too much to the changes in FFXI, as I haven't played since 2009, but I do have fond memories that I'd like to revisit. Of course, I still have my account so it's not like I'd be starting from scratch, but I also know for a fact that many of my friends I used to play with quit early last year. One challenge I expect to face is completing missed content from RoZ, ToAU, and everything from WoG onward.

What I'm most interested in is revisiting the game as a 68 BLM, and then starting back at square one (so to speak) w/ my mule. If nothing else this will help me decide once and for all if Vana'diel's appeal has passed. I do find it interesting that there seems to be such a strong polarization. If FFXI is loosing its appeal and seeing as FFXIV is so shallow (for lack of a better word), could it be that SE and the FF franchise have lost their touch? I mean, XIII wasn't super terrific either.
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#12 Apr 06 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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I could never go back to Final Fantasy XI. I feel like I've completed everything there. Well, everything that matters. (I quit the day I beat Lady Lilith.)

To me, FFXI is in a state where they're just providing filler or side-grades to what is there content wise (Abyssea, for example) instead of going towards a whole new story arc.

I am looking forward to XIV because I know for a fact new storyline is coming, but patience is wearing thin. :|

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#13 Apr 06 2011 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXI is definitely on life support now. ToAU was really the first sign of a game that has peaked and the game has been going downhill since then. You can see it everywhere: SE has focused on giving players more things more easily to keep them interested with one last, unhealthy binge before the final crash. It's kind of like the situation with Western economies: We keep the junkie going with one final push for easy money but the overdose is eventually going to get us good.

CoP was, I think, the pinnacle of the MMO experience so far. No matter which game, nothing has been able to surpass it as far as I'm concerned.

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I logged back into FFXI after playing FFXIV for a few months. It looked so crappy by comparison, and you run so slow, I just quit on the spot.... gave all my stuff away and quit for good.

I don't really play FFXIV at all now, cuz honestly, it sucks atm but I still have hope and I've been catching up on PS3/360/etc games I've missed out on and getting stuff done in RL.
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#15 Apr 06 2011 at 8:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
I liked being able to merit for an hour or two and just leave, but now in FFXI you have to merit for an hour just to build up lights and chains to start getting decent exp, so to get the mystically high exp/hour people brag about now you need to dedicate a massive chunk of time.


This is somewhat misleading. Heroes of abyssea areas have Dominion Ops, which work like pages from a field manual...except you get ridiculous xp, theres no restart timer (they can be done one after another), and many of the mobs for the Ops are located right next to the people who give the quest. I've levelled 75-80 off just 2 dominion ops parties, one lasting about 2 hours, and 1 lasting 1.5 hours. @ ~45k per level x 4 levels = 180k xp in about 4 hours of dominion ops.

BTW, obviously I went back and am loving the casual nature of abyssea, any and all jobs are invited to random PUG's that destroy stuff. This will allow me to finally see most of the old story content, solo.
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#16 Apr 06 2011 at 8:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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FFXI is definitely on life support now. ToAU was really the first sign of a game that has peaked and the game has been going downhill since then. You can see it everywhere: SE has focused on giving players more things more easily to keep them interested with one last, unhealthy binge before the final crash. It's kind of like the situation with Western economies: We keep the junkie going with one final push for easy money but the overdose is eventually going to get us good.

CoP was, I think, the pinnacle of the MMO experience so far. No matter which game, nothing has been able to surpass it as far as I'm concerned.


I am missing FFXI a **** lot, specially since there aren't many games to sink your time in, apart from the offline rpg's (excellent yes) that I've been playing too much so I can memorize them lol. The lure is great, but what others have said too, the community I once knew is gone, people have left my original server, good friends, or have quit.

So the question I asked myself was, what did I really enjoy about FFXI? The Community and friends on my home server Kujata and helping a lot of people with CoP when it was still hard:p That was my most fun period, helping friends and my ls through CoP, as I was a returning player that could help em with strats. After that, it was mostly doing storyline missions while helping people with weird job setups. Ahahaha, the fun I had with proving people wrong you could do stuff without using the default jobs for a particular event.

In the end, it was all about the fun and pleasure I got from helping others and doing stuff together, even if it was playing silly "Im a little taru and im acting crazy", it was never as fun as acting like a child LOL.

My fear is that I probably won't have any time to play FFXIV when it gets good, cause of my RL that is getting so busy. Ah, a taru can dream eh? (^o^)/

Btw, is that you Leila?! Or am I mixing you up with a certain someone from Kujata?:p

Cheers guys, im still watching from the sideline, but I am aching to get started really! FFXI is no option anymore I'm afraid....
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#17 Apr 06 2011 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
I went back to XI and never looked back, the game is actually as fun as it's ever been. There's ALWAYS something to do, you don't need 18 people to accomplish it anymore, and if you still enjoy old events, you can low man em. I agree as though it seems SE doesn't know where to go with the game in terms of story, but we'll what happens within the next year in terms of mini-expansions/ expansions. Leveling isn't a huge part of the game anymore which is great, and being a casual player actually works. On weekends, this game still has 2000+ players on a non-merged server, so no, it's not dying.

I'll keep an eye out on XIV, takes 2 seconds to dive back in it, hopefully in a year or two it'll be something worth coming back to.
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#18 Apr 06 2011 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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I just reactivated yesterday after 2 friends said they would also play. I'm not thrilled about how easy it's become supposedly, but I have been wanting to play BST for a while now. Low manning things that used to require an alliance a while back sounds fun though too. I just hope my friends don't back out, it seems near impossible to lvl alone from 75 and I have no idea what abyssa is so starting my own party is out of the question :P
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XIV never managed to make me quit XI so in a way the answer is yes. There's still so much areas and events that will want to see before I even consider leaving.
#20 Apr 06 2011 at 10:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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FFXI is definitely on life support now. ToAU was really the first sign of a game that has peaked and the game has been going downhill since then. You can see it everywhere: SE has focused on giving players more things more easily to keep them interested with one last, unhealthy binge before the final crash. It's kind of like the situation with Western economies: We keep the junkie going with one final push for easy money but the overdose is eventually going to get us good.


I've recently started up in FFXI, and the game is definitely not on life support. More on that will be coming in a bit.

I haven't quit FFXIV, not at all... but my linkshell has dwindled down to basically nothing, and I'm just not too crazy about being a single player in a MMO. I'm very happy to have reconnected with FFXI, as the game is still very fun and is still evolving after so many years. I'm blown away by how active my FFXI still is, and how many old-time players I've seen who've come back to the game. It's pretty amazing that FFXI is enjoying so much success while FFXIV is actually the game on life support.
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#21 Apr 06 2011 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXI is definitely on life support now. ToAU was really the first sign of a game that has peaked and the game has been going downhill since then. You can see it everywhere: SE has focused on giving players more things more easily to keep them interested with one last, unhealthy binge before the final crash. It's kind of like the situation with Western economies: We keep the junkie going with one final push for easy money but the overdose is eventually going to get us good.


I've recently started up in FFXI, and the game is definitely not on life support. More on that will be coming in a bit.

I haven't quit FFXIV, not at all... but my linkshell has dwindled down to basically nothing, and I'm just not too crazy about being a single player in a MMO. I'm very happy to have reconnected with FFXI, as the game is still very fun and is still evolving after so many years. I'm blown away by how active my FFXI still is, and how many old-time players I've seen who've come back to the game. It's pretty amazing that FFXI is enjoying so much success while FFXIV is actually the game on life support.

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#22 Apr 07 2011 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
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I might get back to FFXI when WotG story is actually complete (unless it already is; haven't been checking lately). Otherwise, I played it for so long, that the more different it is when I do go back, the better. At least for that game, they've actually been making some great progress (so I understand), and I'm optimistic that when I do go back it will be a significantly better game than the one I left.
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#23 Apr 07 2011 at 1:01 AM Rating: Excellent
WoTG is finally complete. Good thing, too, because it only took SE three years to finish all the storyline missions. The desire to finish WoTG is one of the things that brought me back to the game.
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#24 Apr 07 2011 at 3:37 AM Rating: Good
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Eh.. I've thought to come back to FFXI too, I have good memories of the game, and after all.. I played it for like 5 years which is a considerable amount of time.. but I would have to buy all the abyssea add-ons I didn't get because I had quit a while before they were released..
I remember FFXI as a game that doesn't allow much solo play.. and I don't think that there is anyone waiting for me on it.. :/
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#25 Apr 07 2011 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Thayos wrote:
WoTG is finally complete. Good thing, too, because it only took SE three years to finish all the storyline missions. The desire to finish WoTG is one of the things that brought me back to the game.
Even before the 75 cap was raised you could solo all of the missions, it just didn't have the same pull that CoP did, for example. All seemed too arbitrary and simple.
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#26 Apr 07 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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**** yeah. FFXI has been the best MMO I've played. Will I go back? Not really sure. Theres a part of me that wants to and a part of me that doesnt. I mean nothing will replace FFXI but then again, those old memories wont be the same. Although I still have my account information and I can reactivate it anytime.
#27 Apr 07 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Went back to ffxi couple weeks ago and started asking myself why I even wasted so much time with XIV everything that I want XIV to be XI already is. Actually having more fun in XI than I than I think I ever did. It is far from dead and way better than I think XIV will be for at least a couple years.

And if you compare the forms there's more talk about the horrible situation on XIV and it dying than there are on XI forums because ppl don't have time to worry about whether XI is dying cause they are having to much fun with 150X more content in XI than there is in XIV.

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 3:16pm by Emberx
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Emberx wrote:

And if you compare the forms there's more talk about the horrible situation on XIV and it dying than there are on XI forums because ppl don't have time to worry about whether XI is dying cause they are having to much fun with 150X more content in XI than there is in XIV.

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 3:16pm by Emberx


I wonder if our perceptions of FFXI would be different if we had been exposed to it prior to RoZ? After all, it had been out for almost a year in Japan before it even hit the US. As far as content, I'm not sure that's a fair assessment. Granted I've enjoyed XI on and off for about 6 of its 9 years, but that's 9 years worth of content that has been built up. XIV has been out since what, the end of September? That's all of five months. I feel it's safe to assume that we were all disappointed that the product wasn't as polished as we would have liked, but given that in five months they've been able to fix as much as they have, I'm fairly impressed. Ultimately, while I'm enjoying both for the time being, I'm going to reserve my judgment on XIV until the first expansion has been released.

That having been said, how much worse is XIV in its first few months compared to XI, before RoZ was released?
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There's nothing for me to return to.

I've leveled everything i wanted to level, killed everything i wanted to kill, finished all the missions i wanted to finish, and got most of the gear i wanted to get. once you kill Shin, there's not an aweful lot left to do.

Sure, i could kill him over and over till i got all his gear. Or i could work on an pseudo-relic thing.

But the point remains the same. The people i knew in that game have long since moved on, and there's really not an aweful lot left to do for me that i can solo. I'd hate to start over in a fresh linkshell from the bottom again, and i'm simply not interested in trying to gather up new friends to kill things with me.

FFXIV is where i'm going to stay for a bit, and should i ever get tired of it, idk. Maybe quit MMO's entirely.
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XIV has been out since what, the end of September? That's all of five months.... That having been said, how much worse is XIV in its first few months compared to XI, before RoZ was released?


A lot; there are several threads on this same topic and a list online showing the development progress of FFXI since its inception.

Suffice it to say that FFXIV is almost seven months old* now and, aside from some extremely basic UI tweaks, is barely distinguishable from itself in beta. FFXI got its kinks worked out after one month, had substantial additional content by five, and hit North America with an expansion ready and free of charge the following year.

*End of Sep., all of Oct., Nov., Dec., Jan., Feb., Mar., and a week into Apr.
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#31 Apr 07 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mmmmm, I never bought FF14 after seeing beta, but I am always tempted to go back to FF14 to just at least complete the missions. The only problem is when I went back to FFXI when FF14 beta was about to come back the game felt like a ghost town with everyone in abyssea and soloing got boring quickly. Though it was good to see old friends that still play the game.
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KromaOdin wrote:
Emberx wrote:

And if you compare the forms there's more talk about the horrible situation on XIV and it dying than there are on XI forums because ppl don't have time to worry about whether XI is dying cause they are having to much fun with 150X more content in XI than there is in XIV.

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 3:16pm by Emberx


I wonder if our perceptions of FFXI would be different if we had been exposed to it prior to RoZ? After all, it had been out for almost a year in Japan before it even hit the US. As far as content, I'm not sure that's a fair assessment. Granted I've enjoyed XI on and off for about 6 of its 9 years, but that's 9 years worth of content that has been built up. XIV has been out since what, the end of September? That's all of five months. I feel it's safe to assume that we were all disappointed that the product wasn't as polished as we would have liked, but given that in five months they've been able to fix as much as they have, I'm fairly impressed. Ultimately, while I'm enjoying both for the time being, I'm going to reserve my judgment on XIV until the first expansion has been released.

That having been said, how much worse is XIV in its first few months compared to XI, before RoZ was released?


No, no, and no. You cannot use the argument that FFXI was incomplete at launch too. There's this thing called" competition" out there now and FFXIV has to match or exceed it in quality to be called "good". Right now FFXI offers more of everything and it competes directly with FFXIV. I'm not going to play a ****** game just because another game like it used to be ****** too but now its good. That's just backwards thinking. I'm going to play what I consider good NOW. If FFXIV is not up to par, then I'm sorry but it just lost the game. End of story. That's wha SE gets for thinking players will gobble up whatever crap they toss out no matter what. I'm not married to FFXIV so it's not cheating when I go with another game I like more. Please stop this idea that it's ok for FFXIV to suck just because FFXI did at one point several years ago. It's illogical and does nothing to prove any argument.
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No, no, and no. You cannot use the argument that FFXI was incomplete at launch too. There's this thing called" competition" out there now and FFXIV has to match or exceed it in quality to be called "good". Right now FFXI offers more of everything and it competes directly with FFXIV. I'm not going to play a sh*tty game just because another game like it used to be sh*tty too but now its good. That's just backwards thinking. I'm going to play what I consider good NOW. If FFXIV is not up to par, then I'm sorry but it just lost the game. End of story. That's wha SE gets for thinking players will gobble up whatever crap they toss out no matter what. I'm not married to FFXIV so it's not cheating when I go with another game I like more. Please stop this idea that it's ok for FFXIV to suck just because FFXI did at one point several years ago. It's illogical and does nothing to prove any argument.


That wasn't my argument. My argument was against comparing x amount of content in one game vs x amount of content in another, when they are clearly in different stages of development, and my comment before that was only to suggest that FFXI had problems early on too. I do recognize that XIV doesn't have much going for it at the moment other than a dedicated team trying to make things right, whereas FFXI has a secured and dedicated fan base and 9 years of development behind it.

I too don't think it's right for SE to put out crap, and I'm not defending that. I have been quite disappointed with the FF franchise overall in recent years, namely XII, XIII, and XIV. That's the whole reason I stopped playing XIV for three months, and never finished the other two; however, I keep checking back periodically to see how things have changed because they are working to fix it unlike XII and XIII which were released "as-is."

I reinstalled XI and reactivated my old character, because I still have a lot in that game I'd like to accomplish while XIV is being adjusted. Is XIV where I, or anyone else for that matter, want it to be? Nope, and that's the reason for all the angst on the forums.

The reason I started this thread was because I was curious to see if the slow restructuring of XIV was driving anyone else back to FFXI. I will continue to check back and see how things are developing with XIV, and if they aren't better by the time Tera is released, SE will know where to find me when they get their ducks in a row.
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As much fun as I had in 11, I will not return. 14 has not delivered the same experience I had in 11, but it is the next generation of that game and will have a longer life so I will stick with it for the mean time. I certainly hope it will deliver some of the same feelings I had with the original!
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It's a good thing SE increased monster size - that'll make the process even easier!
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I'm putting a tentative toe through the door at the moment. Right now, my biggest gripe is how each level grind feels the same. It doesn't matter if you are ranks 1-10 or 20-30 you see the same scenery every time and the same repeated levequests.

As much as I commend SE for making the maps larger and more open, there's just not enough of them and scarcely enough variation to keep things interesting. One corner of Thanalan pretty much looks like every other corner, and that's woefully disappointing for a Final Fantasy game. There are a couple of neat curios here and there, but it feels too little to retain long term interest.

Who played Final Fantasy XI? Did you walk through Meriphataud Mountains and see the giant construct of Dragora's Spine and wonder "What the heck is that thing?", or your first crag? Arguably, if we stitched up all of FFXI's pre-expansion maps they would only be smaller, if not the same as FFXIV's current maps. But it feels much smaller because each map contains so little. Conversely, FFXI's maps were teeming with little caverns and hideaways, giant chasms and waterfalls. It felt like a rich world rather than one molded with the copy/paste option.

That's the biggest problem. You need to keep players moving to retain their interest in a game. Keep them in one spot for too long and it just becomes dull and repetitive. Hopefully they'll remedy this by opening up the caves a little more for adventuring and XP or by giving players the chance to 'invoke' their guardian aspect without running a leve.

I'm still here, and strongly considering returning properly if their battle system update is as thorough as I hope it will be. But im on the fence until I see some more heavy-handed updates.
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#37 Apr 07 2011 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Im not. i havent been back since easy mode got switched. i remember XI as a Group Oriented Game that was fun, a game that emphasized you explore the world around you, a game that no matter how many time you tried to quit you'd find your self back in less than a week.

it started with sh*tsync, then those goddamned books in field, then the economy went to sh*t, all those that were legit could no longer farm for gil without SE gimping the drop rate or the price, all those that were not legit it did not matter they got there millions of gil the way they always got it. then SE released abyssa and along with it a way to get from 1-60 in less than 2 weeks, negating the very core of the game.

i want to remember it the way it was, not the dog sh*t it has become.


You must be having a ball playing FFXIV then, right?


i play it because i have friends that do as well, im on vengeance(LS) which has 95 members and we do things in group's. you would be amazed how a boring *** game becomes fun when you've got people to party with. if i was running XIV solo i wouldn't have made it past rank 20.
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Why would my perception be different if I saw another game that was just a crappy as XIV. Does a game being just as bad as another one make that other game more fun to play. And I was talking about current state I could care less what it used to be comparing the two now XIV is the one on life support.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 4:33am by Emberx
#39 Apr 08 2011 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
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I liked being able to merit for an hour or two and just leave, but now in FFXI you have to merit for an hour just to build up lights and chains...


I leveled my PUP from 72 to 81 in 2 days which included only two 3 hour parties. I don't normally grind exp that long but I actually had fun doing that.
I didn't have to look for a party long, I actually just went to the abyssea area and asked if I could join the people there, I could have left after an hour with 2 levels higher job or loads of merits.
FFXI seems to have become a lot more casual friendly now which I love.

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FFXI is definitely on life support now.


I wholeheartedly disagree.
There were almost 3000 people on Odin the other day when I had a look. Jeuno is buzzing like in the old days and I am actually having a lot of fun.

I can go duo with my friend stuff that you used to need a whole party for and we have had such a great time. Our next goal is to go mess around in Sky and try to kill Gods with just two - three people.



Edited, Apr 8th 2011 5:23am by LeilaniWildfire
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It's very very tempting but I don't want to start from scratch. But I do miss my PUP & SMN very much. But since their so called Customer Service refuses to help me retrieve my old account information, I walked away.
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just my take guys i had 75 MNK/SAM/DRG/PLD/BRD/BLU/WAR JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGL HNM/NM defeated i was in the frst NA linkshell on unicorn to have defeated vrtra all that etc not trying to make this about accomplishments but i was talking with my brother last night and one of the things that got brought up was XI and i have to say it one of the funniest things in XI was when you play hard all night and then all of a sudden you wake up eyes blurry and your dead on the floor realizing you fell out lol or the puller in your party pulls a mob otw way back makes it to camp does 1-2 shots at the end of the fight everyone realize he has fallen asleep so we try doing the sound commands hopeing they are loud enough to wake them up haha i miss those days thats XI will always be a classic and the way i see it you cannot compare eras FFXIV will have its chance they know they messed up so they made it free least you can do is play nother game and wait or be patint in general would be different if you were paying...dont say well you bought the game because we have all purchased console games that were a waste of money atleast they are trying if they make the annoucement tonight P2P ppl would go nutz SE will redeem theirselves sta open minded and wait until the fist big expansion or update whatever

ps dont forget about you family, friends or your job
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ps dont forget about you family, friends or your job


I laughed so hard when I read that message for the first time. I remember I had a friend who was on EverCrack, and my other friends and I wouldn't see him for days at a time. Good looking out SE!
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LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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I liked being able to merit for an hour or two and just leave, but now in FFXI you have to merit for an hour just to build up lights and chains...


I leveled my PUP from 72 to 81 in 2 days which included only two 3 hour parties. I don't normally grind exp that long but I actually had fun doing that.
I didn't have to look for a party long, I actually just went to the abyssea area and asked if I could join the people there, I could have left after an hour with 2 levels higher job or loads of merits.
FFXI seems to have become a lot more casual friendly now which I love.


FFXI is a blast these days, I think it's the best it has ever been after a low point in 2009 to early 2010. Abyssea is remarkably well designed, and there have been a multitude of changes to make solo/lowman content very rewarding and to make exp easy to come by. The new roadmap released today looks great too... starting with massive Dynamis overhaul in next month's update (you can solo, get exp from enemies, pop new NMs, etc), new events/battlefield activities, level cap increases, etc.

I actually just logged onto XIV again last week for the first time in a few months and quickly became bored. There's just no comparison going to grind leves on XIV compared to the variety of well designed activities in XI that take LESS time than the old-style exp/merit parties or huge bore-fest events like Dynamis.

As for having to have a long time to merit in XI, that's simply not true. Last night I joined a pickup dominion exp party, partied for about two hours, and ended up with about 280,000 exp (28 merits), and about 130k of that was in hour number one. We weren't even that efficient - a mix of job levels from 75-90 with a couple leeches, not really the fastest or most on the ball party, not a full alliance (at some point running with 12 people), but it was still great exp.

The previous night I had an fun LS event where we killed a bunch of NMs in Abyssea-Grauberg for a couple hours to get gear, atma, NM wins. We brought about 12 people.

The night before that I went out in a 4 person group and we got all four people all the seal items needed to upgrade one piece of a job-specific Abyssea armor set over the course of a couple hours.

The night before that I soloed some NMs, farmed some items, and skilled up a secondary weapon.

Tonight I'll probably go solo Trials of the Magians to work on upgrading a weapon.

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I just went to try and go back to FFXI. I reactivated my content IDs but I wanted to use my bank card which isn't able to be verified by visa or whatever it is so I may have to put it on hold again. I do have actual credit cards but I'd rather not have to use them if I can help it.

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I just went to try and go back to FFXI. I reactivated my content IDs but I wanted to use my bank card which isn't able to be verified by visa or whatever it is so I may have to put it on hold again. I do have actual credit cards but I'd rather not have to use them if I can help it.

Edited, Apr 9th 2011 1:50pm by MrTalos


I had that problem once too. I'm not sure if it was the bank, a typo, or some glitch, but I ended up using a credit card that was about to expire, and when it did, I tried my check card again and it worked fine. Come to think of it, I believe it was my zip code on my address was wrong, or didn't match what my bank had on file. Either way you could check that too if you've recently moved.

Hope this helps.
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Wish I could go back to XI, but all the changes they've made to the game just makes me feel alienated from it. If it was in the same condition as when I left off, and all my achievements not made worthless, I'd probably go back and play again. As it stands though, I feel like the game that I fell in love with is no longer there.
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I'm putting a tentative toe through the door at the moment. Right now, my biggest gripe is how each level grind feels the same. It doesn't matter if you are ranks 1-10 or 20-30 you see the same scenery every time and the same repeated levequests.

As much as I commend SE for making the maps larger and more open, there's just not enough of them and scarcely enough variation to keep things interesting. One corner of Thanalan pretty much looks like every other corner, and that's woefully disappointing for a Final Fantasy game. There are a couple of neat curios here and there, but it feels too little to retain long term interest.

Who played Final Fantasy XI? Did you walk through Meriphataud Mountains and see the giant construct of Dragora's Spine and wonder "What the heck is that thing?", or your first crag? Arguably, if we stitched up all of FFXI's pre-expansion maps they would only be smaller, if not the same as FFXIV's current maps. But it feels much smaller because each map contains so little. Conversely, FFXI's maps were teeming with little caverns and hideaways, giant chasms and waterfalls. It felt like a rich world rather than one molded with the copy/paste option.

That's the biggest problem. You need to keep players moving to retain their interest in a game. Keep them in one spot for too long and it just becomes dull and repetitive. Hopefully they'll remedy this by opening up the caves a little more for adventuring and XP or by giving players the chance to 'invoke' their guardian aspect without running a leve.

I'm still here, and strongly considering returning properly if their battle system update is as thorough as I hope it will be. But im on the fence until I see some more heavy-handed updates.


I agree with this. When XIV first came out I could run around trying to find a cool area, or try to find a nice camp / NM that no one else knew about. Then I realized that there was nothing out there. You run around the same landscape that has been rotated about, but nothing actually changes (even the mobs hardly change). After I realized this, it just became a point of running from point A to B in this game, which is made most monotonous due to the larger zones. This game really needs open world NM's, they would at least make for a fun and exciting surprise as you run about.
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I'm putting a tentative toe through the door at the moment. Right now, my biggest gripe is how each level grind feels the same. It doesn't matter if you are ranks 1-10 or 20-30 you see the same scenery every time and the same repeated levequests.

As much as I commend SE for making the maps larger and more open, there's just not enough of them and scarcely enough variation to keep things interesting. One corner of Thanalan pretty much looks like every other corner, and that's woefully disappointing for a Final Fantasy game. There are a couple of neat curios here and there, but it feels too little to retain long term interest.

Who played Final Fantasy XI? Did you walk through Meriphataud Mountains and see the giant construct of Dragora's Spine and wonder "What the heck is that thing?", or your first crag? Arguably, if we stitched up all of FFXI's pre-expansion maps they would only be smaller, if not the same as FFXIV's current maps. But it feels much smaller because each map contains so little. Conversely, FFXI's maps were teeming with little caverns and hideaways, giant chasms and waterfalls. It felt like a rich world rather than one molded with the copy/paste option.

That's the biggest problem. You need to keep players moving to retain their interest in a game. Keep them in one spot for too long and it just becomes dull and repetitive. Hopefully they'll remedy this by opening up the caves a little more for adventuring and XP or by giving players the chance to 'invoke' their guardian aspect without running a leve.

I'm still here, and strongly considering returning properly if their battle system update is as thorough as I hope it will be. But im on the fence until I see some more heavy-handed updates.


I agree with this. When XIV first came out I could run around trying to find a cool area, or try to find a nice camp / NM that no one else knew about. Then I realized that there was nothing out there. You run around the same landscape that has been rotated about, but nothing actually changes (even the mobs hardly change). After I realized this, it just became a point of running from point A to B in this game, which is made most monotonous due to the larger zones. This game really needs open world NM's, they would at least make for a fun and exciting surprise as you run about.


Couldn't agree more; I can't tell how how neat it would have been to find unique rock formations, strange NMs, triple question mark points (remember those? XD), and all sorts of other things... it'd also be nice if there were rare and odd looking trees / ore deposits / pools of water in certain hard-to-reach areas that had special drops.
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#49 Apr 09 2011 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
If i could pay the god **** game with a normal credit card like i did for 6 years i would go back. It sucks. I can't even pay the last monthly fee in january 2009 that blockd the account due to that change to verified by visa crap. Why Square doesn't allow click and buy method for FFXI?? I would die to be able to kill gobs again in dunes.
#50Shezard, Posted: Apr 10 2011 at 7:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why should I bother returning to a game that SE intentionally tries to kill from the moment they announced Abyssea?
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FFXI was never a failure.

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