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#52 Apr 10 2011 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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Phone them, they will input your CC details over the phone if you are having problems with VbV.


I hope that will work out because I had nothing but bad experiences with their support.

Here is my experience with their phone support. After being stuck on hold for 2+ hours, their phone system finally hung up on me. This happened twice to me. After finally getting through to their voice support, they refused to help me because I no longer had the same credit card from several years ago. The bank chain was bought out by a nationwide company and they re-issued all credit cards. Even though I had my addresses and other contact information, they refused to help since I no longer had the original CC number. I got the same treatment while going through their customer support chat. Great support. I guess they really don't want a returning customer.
#53 Apr 10 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Default
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LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:

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FFXI is definitely on life support now.


I wholeheartedly disagree.
There were almost 3000 people on Odin the other day when I had a look. Jeuno is buzzing like in the old days and I am actually having a lot of fun.

Life support as in SE has given in to rampant power creep to create a kind of high. It feels good for a while but SE has now backed themselves into a corner by speeding up and easy moding everything. FFXI will last for a little while longer but eventually the high wears off and there is no more juice to inject.

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I can go duo with my friend stuff that you used to need a whole party for and we have had such a great time. Our next goal is to go mess around in Sky and try to kill Gods with just two - three people.

Exactly. Next you'll be able to solo all that stuff and you'll feel POWERFUL, but we all know that's not sustainable game design.

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 4:33pm by Omena

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Omena wrote:
LeilaniWildfire, Goblin in Disguise wrote:

Omena wrote:
FFXI is definitely on life support now.


I wholeheartedly disagree.
There were almost 3000 people on Odin the other day when I had a look. Jeuno is buzzing like in the old days and I am actually having a lot of fun.

Life support as in SE has given in to rampant power creep to create a kind of high. It feels good for a while but SE has now backed themselves into a corner by speeding up and easy moding everything. FFXI will last for a little while longer but eventually the high wears off and there is no more juice inject.

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I can go duo with my friend stuff that you used to need a whole party for and we have had such a great time. Our next goal is to go mess around in Sky and try to kill Gods with just two - three people.

Exactly. Next you'll be able to solo all that stuff and you'll feel POWERFUL, but we all know that's not sustainable game design.

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 4:33pm by Omena

didnt they also very recently consolodate another chunk of servers leaving only one chunk left?
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#55 Apr 10 2011 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Exactly. Next you'll be able to solo all that stuff and you'll feel POWERFUL, but we all know that's not sustainable game design.


Well keep in mind something here. They added an exdgame area where you are very POWERFUL. Outside, everything is pretty much the same, depending what they do with FFXI from now on will see how sustainable the game is. FFXI hasn't changed, they just made a playground area.
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didnt they also very recently consolodate another chunk of servers leaving only one chunk left?


FFXI had 32 servers, this was a lot more than it needed. They decided 12 months ago to half this and combine the servers down to 16, this is part 2 of that opertaion.

FFXI has 200-300k+ players on what will be 16 world servers.

FFXIV has 70k on 18 servers.

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 5:15pm by preludes
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#56 Apr 11 2011 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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preludes wrote:


FFXI has 200-300k+ players on what will be 16 world servers.

FFXIV has 70k on 18 servers.

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 5:15pm by preludes


It amuses me that some FFXIV fanboys can make the bold statement that FFXI is the game on life support. Ironically, we pay for our game and FFXI has nearly triple the player base of FFXIV. Meanwhile FFXIV is free and all their LS's are slowly dying and people are leaving in droves. Anyone who seriously believes that FFXIV will outlast FFXI before SE pulls the plug should seriously not have any children.
#57 Apr 11 2011 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
preludes wrote:


FFXI has 200-300k+ players on what will be 16 world servers.

FFXIV has 70k on 18 servers.

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 5:15pm by preludes


It amuses me that some FFXIV fanboys can make the bold statement that FFXI is the game on life support. Ironically, we pay for our game and FFXI has nearly triple the player base of FFXIV. Meanwhile FFXIV is free and all their LS's are slowly dying and people are leaving in droves. Anyone who seriously believes that FFXIV will outlast FFXI before SE pulls the plug should seriously not have any children.


It baffles me that people are making these kind of 'fanboy' comments when both games are made by the same company and the success of one directly affects the other (prior to XIV's release they were intentionally making content more small-group friendly and slowly disregarding the rigerous rule-set that'd been in place for the previous 8 years to provide balance, such as the level cap. When it turned out XIV was a failure, they slowed down the pace of this sort of 'fun' advancement, and considered the realistic future of XI).

FFXI is 9 years old, it has an established fanbase. The difference between the two games is that XIV is intended to be the successor and it's a sure fact that SE would invest far more to bring it up to quality and become their new flagship MMO.
This is all without even considering the fact that XIV has been, and is being, developed on the money made from the XI cashcow.
So with that in mind, it doesn't take a genius to see that as long as they can bring XIV up to par and get a good PS3 release it'll certainly outlive XI. However it's all in a state of flux right now, we have no idea how things are going to turn out.

EDIT: Also, to add, it's entirely possible that the situation with XIV doesn't improve as quickly as hoped and they end up rebalancing the game properly for level 99. I think the one thing that's going to hurt FFXI at this point (sadly, I do enjoy it a lot still myself) is the recycled content. We're seeing a whole bunch of previously made stuff being balanced for higher levels now, and a few new bits along the way (personally I'm hoping that the Last Stand isn't just going to be a walk of echoes reskin, that would be really disappointing..). I guess too many resources being siphoned to 14 and PS2 limitations are going to eventually bleed the game dry of new content.

Edited, Apr 11th 2011 10:52am by Dlaqev
#58 Apr 11 2011 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:

It amuses me that some FFXIV fanboys can make the bold statement that FFXI is the game on life support. Ironically, we pay for our game and FFXI has nearly triple the player base of FFXIV. Meanwhile FFXIV is free and all their LS's are slowly dying and people are leaving in droves. Anyone who seriously believes that FFXIV will outlast FFXI before SE pulls the plug should seriously not have any children.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism. I pre-ordered FFXIV, look at my character levels. It should should be obvious that I haven't logged in in months.

FFXI has much less resources devoted to it than FFXIV has. That's why it took forever to finish WotG and why there will be no more full-size expansions. This is why FFXIV will most likely eventually surpass it unless SE decides to just abandon ship. FFXI has no future at this point. It receives reduced development support and all post-ToAU design changes have been to water the game down to make it more accessible to a dwindling, less interested playerbase. Unfortunately there comes a point where you can no longer water the game down more. That's when people realize all that's left is a degenerate shell of an once glorious game.

What's happening with FFXI is similar to what tends to happen to collectible card games (MTG, YuGiOh, WoW TCG, etc): power creep. New sets typically come with new, slightly stronger cards to make people excited and the card pool grows larger. Unless measures are taken to prevent it, the game eventually breaks down to a degenerate mess of turn one kills. Typically power creep accelerates towards the end of a game's life as developers try to salvage interest by making more and more powerful cards, which is exactly what we're seeing with FFXI.
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It's time to d-d-d-d-duel!
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#61 Apr 11 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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FFXI has much less resources devoted to it than FFXIV has. That's why it took forever to finish WotG and why there will be no more full-size expansions. This is why FFXIV will most likely eventually surpass it unless SE decides to just abandon ship. FFXI has no future at this point. It receives reduced development support and all post-ToAU design changes have been to water the game down to make it more accessible to a dwindling, less interested playerbase. Unfortunately there comes a point where you can no longer water the game down more. That's when people realize all that's left is a degenerate shell of an once glorious game.


Considering the millions invested in the future flagship title already, it's not really rocket science that FFXI is using less resources. FFXI isn't on its deathbed. Granted SE might not say it, but the fact that the PS3 version was delayed/canceled and the game is free to play proves the game still isn't ready for release. That being said, FFXI has a very progressive road map for the next year. A dedicated test server is coming out so the players and Devs can work together to make quality content.

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FFXI is 9 years old, it has an established fanbase. The difference between the two games is that XIV is intended to be the successor and it's a sure fact that SE would invest far more to bring it up to quality and become their new flagship MMO.
This is all without even considering the fact that XIV has been, and is being, developed on the money made from the XI cashcow.
So with that in mind, it doesn't take a genius to see that as long as they can bring XIV up to par and get a good PS3 release it'll certainly outlive XI.


FFXIV was never intended to be the successor exactly. SE wants to retain both MMO's. Honestly I can see SE releasing an updated graphic engine for FFXI if the game continues to do well. I also believe SE will drop PS2 support within the next 2 years. FFXIV might of been fated to be their flagship MMO, but it failed to deliver. FFXI has picked up the slack in every way. Gil is no longer a problem for people. FFXI has official forums plus a test server coming out. RMT are pretty much dead. FFXI is loaded with NEW content despite the limited funding compared to FFXIV.

The truth most people don't want to admit is the future of FFXIV is so bleak, it's almost safe to assume FFXI will live longer. The PS3 life cycle is almost up and that means the PS4 is right around the corner. The terrible PC launch isn't going to help FFXIV one bit either. Like it or not, most people including myself that followed FFXIV from day 1 at E3 have totally given up on FFXIV. It doesn't matter if SE fixes FFXIV at this point, people have moved on. There are better MMO's out there right now. Why are people going to leave those MMO's to play a WoW clone that has a low server population? FFXIV had the chance to be a juggernaut in the MMO realm, not it's just another statistic. To make matters worse, the JP don't care for FFXIV at all. So it won't surprise me if I hear SE is shutting down FFXIV or setting up a freeplay model. Either choice means SE has thrown in the towel.
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Recently, I've been kicking myself for leaving at the very beginning of when everything in FFXI began to change.

Urges crept up from time to time to return to FFXI, but now it's been hitting me like a ton of bricks ever since I came back to this forum to check up on both XIV and XI to see how they're doing. XIV continues to float in limbo while XI, unknowingly to me, has hit a wave of new enlightenment. The fact that I've been hearing that FFXI has become far more casual friendly than it has been ever before has spiked my interest because that's exactly the MMO I need right now due to College constraints and increased priorities.

The only thing stopping me dead in my tracks from even putting my foot in the door is my best friend, who has been my MMO buddy for years, is having payment problems since he lacks the money to keep up payments. However, I may ignore this just to satisfy my curiosity on just what is happening in FFXI. As it stands, it's gonna be a long time before XIV ever comes back to life.

Edited, Apr 11th 2011 9:39pm by CarthRDM
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