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#1 Apr 10 2011 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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So, I'll be off to college soon, and have discovered to crave my gaming needs, I need a laptop that will be able to both play FFXIV up to par, AND do schoolwork. Naturally, I went to Bestbuy and came up with 2 options..

The... Toshiba Qosmio


Or,


This Alienware one.

Just wondering which would be best, if either, to run FFXIV on.
Also open to other suggestions on laptops in the same price range that would be better if anyone has one.

Edited, Apr 10th 2011 9:02pm by CyanRebirth
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#2Imaboomer, Posted: Apr 10 2011 at 7:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First off its laptop not labtop. It sits on ur lap thats where it gets its name. I would not go with alienware because they are too overpriced for what u get. So with only once choice left, toshiba.
#3 Apr 10 2011 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Ah. Thank you for pointing out my typo. I fixed it just for you :)
And..Your post was not very constructive, atleast to me. I was looking for more of a reason why to get one over the other, or neither at all. I can clearly see by comparing them that the Alienware laPtop has less. I am however, not sure either could run FFXIV off the top of my head. I wanted to see if anyone could help me with the hardware side of this.
Thanks though.
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#4 Apr 10 2011 at 7:20 PM Rating: Default
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I would get a core i7 sandybridge (2nd generation core cpu) and the GTX400 M series or radeon 5000M series for a decent laptop otherwise u will have to jeopardize graphics and have lag if future of content is anything like dynamis where there is a lot on screen.
#5 Apr 10 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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Hmm. Do you happen to have links to where I can find those? If not, I suppose I will just google it :D
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#6 Apr 10 2011 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm. Do you happen to have links to where I can find those? If not, I suppose I will just google it :D


You could try this: http://www.ibuypower.com/IbpPages/Notebook.aspx

It lets you customize what you want in your laptop, and I guarantee it will be cheaper than anything you buy at a store. You get a lot more flexibility and can add things you want, take out what you don't.
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#7 Apr 10 2011 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
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Oh. Thank you very much. I shall go tamper around with that
So..As for the Qosmio, is it just not worth getting then?
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#8 Apr 10 2011 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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No a core i5 is pretty weak and it came with a 360M which isnt that great
#9 Apr 10 2011 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I got the Qosmio X505 q890 with the nifty i7 and the GeForce 360M GTS, also 6 GB of memory. It was their top of the line Qosmio model at the time I got it 6 months ago.

I would marry this laptop if it weren't against the laws of God and Man. Seriously, I'd make sweet, sweet love to it if I could. Taking it from place to place for classes is going to be a PITA. With the fan stand addon and powersupply, it's close to 15lbs. You are NOT going to want to carry this from class to class.

Let's be honest tho, this is for gaming. To **** with school. I run at high settings (not max) @ about 70% CPU temp and the game is beautiful and smooth. This laptop is awesome IF you wanna shell out the money for it.

The 4GB version you want is not going to be quite enough imo. My model pulls another 1.8GB of memory to run the video card. Also, there's some weird bug where you cannot shut off AA or you are going to crash constantly so keep it at least x2.

If money isn't an object, go for it, but go big. The i5 and the 4GB can be improved upon... Don't go too big, I guess... the upgrade from 6GB to 8GB is $650 last I checked. I got a good deal on this model and paid $1.4k.

If you come across any reviews talking crap on the wireless card inside the laptop, that's been patched. There was an error where it'd just drop you for no reason way too often, from what I understand.

Do a search for the model number on google and look for the best price instead of going to lolBestBuy. Get the lowest quote you can and see if Best Buy will match it if you must go through them. Best Buy has shown themselves incompetent too many times with computer equipment for me to trust them again, but you might have better luck.

TL;DR - <3 Qosmio
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#10 Apr 10 2011 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
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Now..THAT helped considerably. Thank you very much. I think I will take your advice on searching around for quotes, and if that doesnt work, I'll look at building my own. Thank(most) of you all very much for the help.
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#11 Apr 11 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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For starters, don't get an Alienware unless you really want to just burn your money.

The Qosimo looks like it would play sufficiently at low/medium settings (average 30+ fps). Don't expect to run it fullscreen at the super-awkward 1680 x 945 resolution. It'd handle 1280x720 decently though. I just base this off of myself running the game on a laptop with a better processor and stronger GPU.

Make sure you're absolutely positive you want a laptop for gaming though. You could spend half the money on a desktop that runs the game BETTER. The battery life will also undoubtedly be terrible when actually stressing it (despite the claim on best buy of nearly 4 hours of battery life, try 90 minutes at best when playing). It's your call but personally I don't think they're worth it. A good laptop and a complimentary desktop will end up costing the same amount of money, except the laptop will be a better mobile device and the desktop will be a higher performance device.



Edited, Apr 11th 2011 12:43pm by bsphil
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#12 Apr 11 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Hm. I've apparently offended someone. Gogo ratedowns.

Anywho, Perhaps I will go with the Qosmio then. I already have a pretty good desktop computer. I just unfortunately can't carry it with me, and I fear I will not be home much to use it.
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#13 Apr 11 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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CyanRebirth wrote:
Hm. I've apparently offended someone. Gogo ratedowns.

Anywho, Perhaps I will go with the Qosmio then. I already have a pretty good desktop computer. I just unfortunately can't carry it with me, and I fear I will not be home much to use it.
Maybe you shouldn't be spending your time playing FFXIV then, if you're expecting to be busy and away from home a lot?

Just a passing thought.
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#14 Apr 11 2011 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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This is more college advice than gaming, but I would tell anyone going into college to get a desktop and netbook (or tablet I guess). You'd save money, if you plan on carrying your laptop around at all times the lifespan gets pretty short.

the Qosmio should work fine though if thats the way you want to go.
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#15 Apr 11 2011 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Away from home a lot? Yes. Busy? Not necessarily. I'll be playing FFXIV in my freetime obviously. I'm just not the type of person who keeps half a dozen things on several computers. I figure between a laptop with decent memory, and an external hard drive with a terrabyte, that I should be able to take everything I need with me. So now that we have established that my time to play is not an issue, and that battery life will not be an issue..

Would anyone recommend going and building a computer off the Dell website? Or would I be better off going with this Qosmio?
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#16 Apr 11 2011 at 8:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Definitely would not build a Dell/Alienware computer. Would not recommend anyone purchase any computer from Dell.
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#17 Apr 11 2011 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I understand the opposition to Alienware, but why Dell?
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#18 Apr 11 2011 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have room wherever you're staying, go with a desktop + cheapo laptop.
#19 Apr 11 2011 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
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I understand the opposition to Alienware, but why Dell?
Dell owns Alienware now, they're one in the same. They use cheap materials and have severely ruined a once immaculate customer service reputation. Used Dell computers at home basically my whole life, and their quality now is atrocious, completely invalidating the price that was always high to begin with.
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#20 Apr 11 2011 at 10:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dell owns Alienware now, they're one in the same. They use cheap materials and have severely ruined a once immaculate customer service reputation. Used Dell computers at home basically my whole life, and their quality now is atrocious, completely invalidating the price that was always high to begin with.

I just ordered a Core 2 Duo Vostro V13 for $320. 3.3lbs, slim metal body, looks great, does everything I'll need it to (the most strenuous thing I'll ever ask of it is 1080p video), and it was dirt cheap. I've never had a meaningful problem with any other Dell machine I've bought, but at that price I'm fine with some issues. I can't speak for the high-end Dell stuff, but I've always found the low-end stuff great for the price.
#21 Apr 12 2011 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh wow. I had no idea they owned Alienware. I shall definitely put that into consideration then.
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#22 Apr 14 2011 at 12:23 PM Rating: Default
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Sager Notebooks are also top quality. Bought mine through a reseller at www.powernotebooks.com

You can also get one through the official site: www.sagernotebook.com

Or at another great reseller: www.xoticpc.com


This one in particular is much better than the Alienware one you linked: http://sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP8150


Same size (15.6"), better resolution, better video card, and much more. Best of all, it's hundreds cheaper. Quality is top-notch too!
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#23 Apr 14 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Very nice link. I have a 2nd gen i7 laptop, btw, and it absolutely crushes the 1st gen mobile i7s by a huge margin, so I'd be highly supportive of a laptop favoring a sandy bridge processor. The 485M is also a very powerful mobile GPU.

16 GB RAM is very excessive though, even 8 GB is really too much. I'd prefer to stay in the 4-6 GB range for RAM right now and if possible, leave DIMM slots open to expand down the road if need be.

Edited, Apr 14th 2011 2:47pm by bsphil
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#24 Apr 14 2011 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Ohhh wow. That link is great. I do believe I have decided to go with that one. I do wonder though: Is the Geforce 460M capable of running FFXIV? I'm think so, but, Graphics Cards are always the things I have trouble comparing, so I probably wouldn't honestly know.
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#25 Apr 14 2011 at 9:04 PM Rating: Good
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CyanRebirth wrote:
Ohhh wow. That link is great. I do believe I have decided to go with that one. I do wonder though: Is the Geforce 460M capable of running FFXIV? I'm think so, but, Graphics Cards are always the things I have trouble comparing, so I probably wouldn't honestly know.
Yes, the 460M would be able to run the game decently. It benches around the same as the mobile HD 5870, and I've used a laptop with an i7-720QM and mobile HD 5870 for FFXIV. Could do 1600x900 windowed at average settings with 2xAA and maintain a solid framerate most of the time. Aetherytes still got bogged down to 15-20 fps, but that's just a glaring example of why SE is bad at making their own game engines.
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#26 Apr 14 2011 at 10:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Something I forgot to mention: Some schools offer free copies of Window 7 to their students. You might check and see if you can get a free copy (or at the very least, a discounted one). That way, you may be able to save around 80-100 dollars by purchasing the laptop without an operating system.

Sager also allows you to upgrade/replace parts in your laptop without voiding the warranty. So if you decide to go with a lower end hard drive or 4 gigs of RAM, you can always upgrade later. The base specs on that machine are amazing all around though, so it should last you a long while.

I'm able to run FFXIV very well even with a machine that's a year and a half old. You should have few, if any problems running the game.

Hopefully I haven't gone too fanboy on you! :)
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#27 Apr 14 2011 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Zicash wrote:
Something I forgot to mention: Some schools offer free copies of Window 7 to their students. You might check and see if you can get a free copy (or at the very least, a discounted one). That way, you may be able to save around 80-100 dollars by purchasing the laptop without an operating system.

Sager also allows you to upgrade/replace parts in your laptop without voiding the warranty. So if you decide to go with a lower end hard drive or 4 gigs of RAM, you can always upgrade later. The base specs on that machine are amazing all around though, so it should last you a long while.

I'm able to run FFXIV very well even with a machine that's a year and a half old. You should have few, if any problems running the game.

Hopefully I haven't gone too fanboy on you! :)
Woooooot! I got Windows 7 free from my college. :P
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#28 Apr 14 2011 at 11:01 PM Rating: Decent
I don't know what best buy you went into, but I wouldn't buy either of those.

Edited, Jul 7th 2011 11:59am by Yabusame
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#29 Apr 15 2011 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know what best buy you went into, but I wouldn't buy either of those.

For the same $1199 as the toshiba i5 you can get this. This laptop stares at me every day, asking to be taken home...if only my wife could hear it calling my name.

Edited, Apr 15th 2011 1:06am by Yabusame
Looks like an i7 to me, but more importantly it has a GT 525M GPU in it, so I'd not consider it for playing FFXIV.
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#30 Apr 24 2011 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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So....Update! I have done all my homework, ran around and built some computers, and have came up with a list of 4 pretty hefty laptops. I also apologize for bringing this back up to the top of the forum, but hey..beats people complaning about the game, right?

... right?


Anywho, I'll rank them from what I believe seems to be best to worst.

1. Dell XPS15

Now..I know, it's a Dell. However, it has great options on it. The one I made looked even better than some of the gaming laptops I tinkered with.

Notable things: 2nd gen Processor, lots of RAM and storage.
Concerns: Graphics cards. But, thats me, I am bad with them. There is Nvidia Geforce 525 and 540.

So, as long as the card would run it with out too much trouble, Id say this looks like a pretty good buy.


2. Sager NP180

This was my other big one. Pretty great gaming laptop from what I can see.
Notables: Everything pretty much.
Concerns: I got to looking at the reviews of this, and noticed the battery life is terrible. Now, I know if I am gaming a lot it wont last long anyway, but I'd like to have one with a decent battery for when I am not gaming. I also saw that the company did not appear to have a reliable customer support, and I wouldn't want to be screwed out of $1500-$2k. Otherwise, intense laptop.

3. Sony VAIO F1390X

Looks to be a pretty decent little computer. Not much to say about this one.

Notables: eh. Its standard.
Concerns. Graphics cards don't look very good, atleast from what I can tell. Also, I don't believe it had a 2nd gen processor.


4.
Alienware M15X

Alienware. I know. I thought I'd put it on the list anyway. Not actually sure why anymore.
Notables: Eh.
Concerns: Hefty price tag, no 2nd gen processor..


Yeah, okay, ***** that one. Not sure why I even put it on there.


SO! What do?

Edited, Apr 24th 2011 9:49pm by CyanRebirth
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#31 Apr 24 2011 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Away from home a lot? Yes. Busy? Not necessarily. I'll be playing FFXIV in my freetime obviously. I'm just not the type of person who keeps half a dozen things on several computers. I figure between a laptop with decent memory, and an external hard drive with a terrabyte, that I should be able to take everything I need with me. So now that we have established that my time to play is not an issue, and that battery life will not be an issue..



Wolfums wrote:
If you have room wherever you're staying, go with a desktop + cheapo laptop.


Away from home??? In a dorm?? If so, look at what Wolfums says.

There are some that will disagree, but a far more majority that will agree that dollar for dollar, and then some, a laptop, even a gaming laptop, was never really designed for the full out graphic intensive games like FFXIV. You are much beter off with the desktop/laptop combo.
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#32 Apr 24 2011 at 10:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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CyanRebirth wrote:
2. Sager NP180

This was my other big one. Pretty great gaming laptop from what I can see.
Notables: Everything pretty much.
Concerns: I got to looking at the reviews of this, and noticed the battery life is terrible. Now, I know if I am gaming a lot it wont last long anyway, but I'd like to have one with a decent battery for when I am not gaming. I also saw that the company did not appear to have a reliable customer support, and I wouldn't want to be screwed out of $1500-$2k. Otherwise, intense laptop.
Looks good. The 485M is incredibly powerful for a mobile GPU, and that would run FFXIV admirably. The 6970M is even better than the 485M. The 460M could do it as well, for what it's worth. I'd never take the 485M over the 6970M.

I would not even consider the Vaio or either of the Dell laptops.

Edited, Apr 24th 2011 11:33pm by bsphil
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