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#1 Apr 14 2011 at 11:32 PM Rating: Default
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im planing on buying a pc that i can play pc games good with. I want to know if these two pcs specs i found can run final fantasy xiv or atleast there good starter pcs in which i can upgrade to play games like ffxiv,shogun 2,arma 2 and which one is better of the two?

and if anyone might know of any good deals where i can buy a better rig for a budget . I will be very greatfull because im trying to buy a good potential rig that i can upgrade.

i want to be able to play final fantasy xiv even tho im waiting for the eventual ps3 release lol but if any of these two can handle it. I know if anything ill most likely need a better graphic card but i hope the Processor are fast enough knowing there quads and 3.2ghz

im very thankfull for anyone willing to help me out deciding[poll]



1. choice

Gamer Ultra 2076 Phenom II X4 840(3.2GHz) 4GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity NVIDIA GeForce GT 430 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit :

Processor :
AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2GHz

Processor:

64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Cache Per Processor :
4 x 512KB L2 Cache

Memory :

4GB (2GBx2) DDR3 1333


Hard Drive :

1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 7200RPM HDD


Optical Drive 1 :

24X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Drive

Graphics :

NVIDIA GeForce GT 430 1GB

Power Supply :

600W

Operating System :

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

Motherboard:

Chipset :

NVIDIA GeForce 7025 Chipset

2. choice

571D3 Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz) 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Capacity NVIDIA GeForce GT 430 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit


Processor :

AMD Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz)

Processor :

64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Cache Per Processor :

4 x 512KB L2 Cache

Memory :

4GB DDR3 1333

Hard Drive :

500GB SATA II

Optical Drive 1 :

24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive

Graphics :

NVIDIA GeForce GT 430 1GB

Power Supply :

480W

Operating System :

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit




Edited, Apr 16th 2011 2:02am by StrifeJS
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#2 Apr 15 2011 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
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Everything is decent except for:

Quote:
Graphics :

NVIDIA GeForce GT 430 1GB

Power Supply :

480W


I recommend at least a GTX460 and a trusted PSU of 600w or greater.
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#3 Apr 15 2011 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
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Graphics are the most important aspect of been able to game followed by CPU and RAM.

FFXIV and ARMA II are pretty hefty games and require well spec'd PCs to play them in all their glory @ 1920x1080+. What size monitor and resolution you will be playing at is a key question as it will determine what sort of PC you require to play at the native resolutions of the screen. ideally if your into gaming then id start looking at 1600x900/1680x1050 minimum (20"+ screens)

The GT430 is rubbish for anything other than basic gaming at low resolutions. Id be looking at a Nvidia 1GB 560Ti or perhaps the AMD 6850 if you prefer (the 560Ti is faster though).

The phenom II 840 isnt a great CPU but is quickish and will do the job but the 965 is consierably quicker due to the whole load of extra L3 cache personally id look more at low end sandy bridge as that slightly better and i5 sandy bridge is leagues ahead but this all depends on your budget.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=289

AMD Phenom II X4 965 (£105-110) vs intel i3 2100 (£90-95)

personally id be looking at the i5 2300 or 2500 but these are more expensive but they are pretty much the fastest things going in general (please dont rage 1366 fanboys you know its true until you get upto the the 980x)

4GB of DDR1600 is fine, you take a slight performance hit with 1333mhz stuff but not loads - however DDR1600 is the same price as 1333 so it seems silly not to have 1600mhz stuff.

PSU wise you dont NEED 600W and good quality 500-550W model will be fine for powering a 560Ti or lower if you decide to go for something a little beefier in the graphics department then 600W wouldnt go a miss then. Please note though that cheap PSUs like the ones in the spec you listed (they didnt list brand so im guessing generic crap) are horrible. You NEED a good quality one i.e. Antec, Be quiet, Corsair, Seasonic are just a few.

Are you UK based if so thse are some of the best e-tailer for custom PCs

www.scan.co.uk
www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk
www.pcspecialist.co.uk

US based i only know

www.newegg.com

In a nutshell and sorry for the long post those machines you spec'd arent really good and most likely built as cheap as possible







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#4 Apr 15 2011 at 2:53 AM Rating: Default
Seems like it should. I think it is better than my specs.

Phenom X4 BE (2.8GHz)
4GB DDR2 800 (G-Skill)
M3a79-T Deluxe MB (Asus)
ATI 5850 HIS GPU
Vista 64 bit
1000W PSU

Runs the game just fine @ standard & >

Edited, Apr 15th 2011 4:54am by IchirouKashuan
#5 Apr 15 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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IchirouKashuan wrote:
Seems like it should. I think it is better than my specs.

Phenom X4 BE (2.8GHz)
4GB DDR2 800 (G-Skill)
M3a79-T Deluxe MB (Asus)
ATI 5850 HIS GPU
Vista 64 bit
1000W PSU

Runs the game just fine @ standard & >

Edited, Apr 15th 2011 4:54am by IchirouKashuan

The HD 5850 is drastically better than a GT 430. Like, 500% more powerful.

The GT 430 is terrible. Get rid of it.
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#6 Apr 15 2011 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Well im planing on buying a rig because my computer at the time cant play any pc games. So my computer tech skills aren't the best but im working on it. I reside in the U.S.A so sites like newegg.com (where i got the specs for the pcs above).

My budget range at the time is $895 in a week and $1,600 by June 13 and im trying to find the best rig for the price. I know i can find one for above 1k price but if i can find one for under would be aswome.Because like i said earlier if i can get a good potential rig for cheap and just upgrade what i need.It be cheaper then buying the perfect build?

I know im gonna get ripped off if i go to any official site and customize my own from scratch.I will be adding more specs as over the week as i try to find the right rig to buy. But if anyone can help me find the right rig like i said my budget is $895.00 - $1,600.00 but the lower the price would be better.But if anyone can find me a good pc from reliable site.

That can run ffxiv good doesn't have to run it out the box like i said a pc that is worth upgrading i'll be a so thankfull. Btw the price of the two specs above i got them from newegg and there both were $599.99

I might not be able to respond because i work 40hrs fri-sun so i usually just come home and sleep on the weekends. Sorry for long post

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#7 Apr 16 2011 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh and whats a the right Processor to go with because i was looking for the AMD Phenom models quads because I hear there good more med-range gaming. but seems like the Intel icores are better for higher end,newer tech and more preciser.

I thought my main concern was looking for Processor with good GHz preferably ones with 3.0GHz and above because when i look up most game want the Processor with 3.0 and above but it makes my brain twitch when I see some higher model Processor with ghz under 3.0 are suppose to be better.Knowingly that most games only can run with a single core which means you're only using one core even tho you have multiple cores. So you're only running at the speed of the one core's ghz.I dont understand that? and it just came to my attention from BlackstarrStrife that cache type is another thing you have to look at as well. I thought it was mainly just having a good Processor and good graphics card.

Questions like these make it hard for me to really decide on a pc to purchase.
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#8 Apr 16 2011 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
Get a Phenom II x4 BE 3.6 GHz processor. That will run anything ^^
#9 Apr 16 2011 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
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which one you mean the AMD Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz)? sorry super tired got work in couple hours sorry if i dont reply to next.
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#10 Apr 16 2011 at 11:15 PM Rating: Default
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Here are 3 specs I just found that seems pretty good in my eyes what you guy's think? Sorry in advance for very long post on specs.But Let me know which is best i know the 2600k is the better one but i mean as far as price and how there built for which would be the best to go with.

Or if anyone knows of any pcs that can match or beat these i listed in price and or performance and im considering going with i7 just because if im gonna spend up to 1k might as well go with the best?

BTW i sorted them with prices and short spec list in bold if you want to just have an over-look on each pc


Ps thanks for the help again!!!


CyberpowerPC Gamer Xtreme 1096 Desktop PC Intel Core i7 960(3.20GHz) 6GB DDR3 2TB HDD Capacity ATI Radeon HD 5770 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$989.99 and $889.99 after mail-in rebate


Brand
CyberpowerPC

Processor
Intel Core i7-960 3.2GHz

Processor Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Memory
6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1333

Hard Drive
2TB (1 x 2TB) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM HDD

Optical Drive 1
24X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Drive

Graphics
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

Ethernet
Gigabit Ethernet

Power Supply
700W

Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Motherboard

Chipset
Intel X58

CPU

CPU Type
Intel Core i7

CPU Speed
960(3.20GHz)

L3 Cache Per CPU
8MB

CPU Socket Type
LGA 1366

CPU Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Graphics

GPU/VPU Type
ATI Radeon HD 5770

Graphics Interface
PCI Express 2.0 x16

Memory

Memory Capacity
6GB DDR3

Memory Speed
DDR3 1333

Form Factor
DIMM 240-pin

Memory Spec
2GB x 3

Memory Slot (Total)
6

Memory Slot (Available)
3

Hard Drive

HDD Capacity
2TB

HDD Interface
SATA III

HDD RPM
7200rpm

HDD Spec
1 x 2TB

Optical Drive

Optical Drive Type
DVD±RW

Optical Drive Spec
24X DVD±R/±RW Dual Layer Drive

Audio

Audio Chipset
Integrated

Audio Channels
7.1 channels

Communications

LAN Chipset
Integrated

LAN Speed
10/100/1000Mbps

Front Panel Ports

Front USB
2

Back Panel Ports

PS/2
2

Rear USB
2 x USB 3.0 by USB 3.0 Bracket
8 x USB 2.0

Rear IEEE 1394
1 x IEEE 1394a

eSATA
1

RJ45
1 port

S/P DIF
1 x Optical S/PDIF Out Port

Expansion

PCI Slots (Available/Total)
3 x PCI Express x16
3 x PCI Express x1
1 x PCI











iBUYPOWER Gamer Extreme 940i Desktop PC Intel Core i7 2600(3.40GHz) 4GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$899.99

Brand
iBUYPOWER

Model
Gamer Extreme 940i

Processor
Intel Core i7-2600 3.4GHz

Processor Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Memory
4GB (2GBx2) DDR3 1333

Hard Drive
1TB SATA II

Optical Drive 1
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive

Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 1GB

Audio
Sound card - Integrated

Ethernet
Gigabit Ethernet

Power Supply
700W

Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

CPU

CPU Type
Intel Core i7

Installed Qty
1

CPU Speed
2600(3.40GHz)

L3 Cache Per CPU
8MB

CPU Socket Type
LGA 1155

CPU Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Graphics

GPU/VPU Type
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450

Graphics Interface
PCI Express 2.0 x16

Memory

Memory Capacity
4GB DDR3

Memory Speed
DDR3 1333

Form Factor
DIMM 240-pin

Memory Spec
2GB x 2

Memory Slot (Total)
2

Memory Slot (Available)
0

Maximum Memory Supported
16GB

Hard Drive

HDD Capacity
1TB

HDD Interface
SATA II

Optical Drive

Optical Drive Type
DVD±RW

Optical Drive Spec
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive

Audio

Audio Chipset
Integrated

Audio Channels
8 channels

Communications

LAN Chipset
Integrated

LAN Speed
10/100/1000Mbps

Front Panel Ports

Front USB
2

Front eSATA
1 x e-SATA (based on motherboard availability)

Front Audio Ports
1

Back Panel Ports

PS/2
2

Video Ports
1 VGA, 1 DVI

Rear USB
6

RJ45
1 port

Rear Audio Ports
3 ports

Expansion

External Bays
4 x external 5.25" drive bays

Internal Bays
6 x internal 3.5" drive bays

PCI Slots (Available/Total)
1 x PCI-Express x16
1 x PCI-Express x1
2 x PCI

Physical Spec

Dimensions
20" x 17.6" x 7.5"


CyberpowerPC Gamer Xtreme 1309 Desktop PC Intel Core i7 2600K(3.40GHz) 8GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity AMD Radeon HD 6850 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$1,199.99



Brand
CyberpowerPC

Processor
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz

Processor Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Memory
8GB (4x2GB) DDR3 1333

Hard Drive
1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM HDD

Optical Drive 1
Blu-Ray Player Combo Drive

Graphics
AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB

Ethernet
Gigabit Ethernet

Power Supply
700W

Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Motherboard

Chipset
Intel P67

CPU

CPU Type
Intel Core i7

Installed Qty
1

CPU Speed
2600K(3.40GHz)

L3 Cache Per CPU
8MB

CPU Socket Type
LGA 1155

CPU Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Graphics

GPU/VPU Type
AMD Radeon HD 6850

Graphics Interface
PCI Express 2.0 x16

Memory

Memory Capacity
8GB DDR3

Memory Speed
DDR3 1333

Form Factor
DIMM 240-pin

Memory Spec
2GB x 4

Memory Slot (Total)
4

Memory Slot (Available)
0

Hard Drive

HDD Capacity
1TB

HDD Interface
SATA III

HDD RPM
7200rpm

Optical Drive

Optical Drive Type
BD Combo

Optical Drive Spec
Blu-Ray Player Combo Drive

Audio

Audio Chipset
Integrated

Audio Channels
7.1 channels

Communications

LAN Chipset
Integrated

LAN Speed
10/100/1000Mbps

Front Panel Ports

Front USB
2

Back Panel Ports

PS/2
1

Rear USB
2 x USB 3.0
8 x USB 2.0

RJ45
1 port

S/P DIF
S/PDIF Out

Expansion

PCI Slots (Available/Total)
2 x PCI Express x16
3 x PCI Express x1
2 x PCI


iBUYPOWER Gamer Extreme 951SLCK Desktop PC Intel Core i7 2600K(3.40GHz) 8GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity ATI Radeon HD 5770 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

$1,229.99



Brand
iBUYPOWER

Processor
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz

Processor Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Memory
8GB (2GBx4) DDR3 1333

Hard Drive
1TB SATA III

Optical Drive 1
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive

Graphics
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

Ethernet
Gigabit Ethernet

Power Supply
700W

Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Special Features
NZXT Apollo Gaming Tower
iBUYPOWER Gaming Liquid Cooler

CPU

CPU Type
Intel Core i7

Installed Qty
1

CPU Speed
2600K(3.40GHz)

L3 Cache Per CPU
8MB

CPU Socket Type
LGA 1155

CPU Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor

Graphics

GPU/VPU Type
ATI Radeon HD 5770

Graphics Interface
PCI Express 2.0 x16

Memory

Memory Capacity
8GB DDR3

Memory Speed
DDR3 1333

Form Factor
DIMM 240-pin

Memory Spec
2GB x 4

Memory Slot (Total)
4

Memory Slot (Available)
0

Maximum Memory Supported
32GB

Hard Drive

HDD Capacity
1TB

HDD Interface
SATA III

Optical Drive

Optical Drive Type
DVD±RW

Optical Drive Spec
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive

Audio

Audio Chipset
Integrated

Audio Channels
8 channels

Communications

LAN Chipset
Integrated

LAN Speed
10/100/1000Mbps

Front Panel Ports

Front USB
2

Front eSATA
1 x e-SATA (based on motherboard availability)

Front Audio Ports
1

Back Panel Ports

PS/2
2

Rear USB
2 x USB 3.0
6 x USB 2.0

Rear IEEE 1394
1 x IEEE 1394a

eSATA
1

RJ45
1 port

Rear Audio Ports
6 ports

S/P DIF
1 x Optical

Expansion

External Bays
5 x external 5.25" drive bays
1 x external 3.5" drive bays

Internal Bays
4 x internal 3.5" drive bays

PCI Slots (Available/Total)
2 x PCI-Express x16 (Cross-fire Ready)
1 x PCI-Express x1
1 x PCI




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#11 Apr 19 2011 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a AMD 965 BE overclocked to 3.8, as well as a heavily overclocked MSI Hawk 5770. I have to admit, I am rather disappointed in the performance that I currently have, even on medium settings. The 5770 is a decent entry-mid level card. Unfortunately, that's probably all you can expect out of it, no matter how good your CPU is.

My advise, and take it for what you will, is if you wish to play at mid-high settings your best bet is to find a quad core processor that has plenty of L3 cache and a speed of 3.0Ghz or higher and pair it with a video card that has 1 GB memory and a 256 bit memory interface.

#12 Apr 23 2011 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok so after some time spent looking. I think after some time looking around im planing on buying this pc from

newegg: CyberpowerPC Gamer Xtreme 1309 Desktop PC Intel Core i7 2600K(3.40GHz) 8GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity AMD Radeon HD 6850 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit for

$1,199.99(link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229249).

Or
CyberpowerPC Fang EVO GLC1202 Desktop PC with Intel Core i7-2600K Processor and Windows 7 Home Premium (Liquid Cooling)

this one for $1,074.54 i just found from wal-mart which comes with a crappy graphic card but i can buy a better one since it's like 90 bucks cheaper and free ship to store (Link: http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-CyberpowerPC-GLC1202/15773562)

i think the big difference is the first one comes with a hd amd radeon 6850 graphic card and the second one comes with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 graphics card which one i should buy cheaper one and buy a better card or the one that all-ready comes with a pretty good one?
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#13 Apr 23 2011 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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My advice would be to not buy a ready built PC as they tend to rip you off. You have to pay for the brand name and they slip in bad parts and overcharge you for them (the more expensive one has a 700W PSU and that's excessive, at least).

If you can upgrade your PC, then you should have the necessary skills to put one together from scratch. The motherboard manual should have all the information you'll need to do so, anyway. If you're interested in saving some money, you might want to check what the rig you were looking at would cost if you bought all the parts separately. My guess is it'll be quite a bit cheaper. You definitely do not want to buy a complete rig with a graphics card and then just replace the card on it. Why would you pay for a card you don't need (and yes, the GTS 450 is pretty bad)?


Edited, Apr 23rd 2011 10:57am by Omena
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I would agree with the advice of building a PC. It is relatively easy. I built my own pc for the first time about three months ago. If I had purchased it pre-built it would have been over 2k. Here's what I got for around 1500

AMD 1090T
ASUS Crosshair IV
8g 1600 mem (2 sticks 4gig)RIPJAWS
AMD 6950 2gig
750watt corsair power supply
2TB hard drive
Corsair liquid cooling
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit

It plays like a dream. This cost included a 22" monitor and a large gaming nzxt gaming case; case was about 120.00 and monitor about 160.00. Watch for sales on Newegg and get free shipping it really cuts down on the costs. I also got some of the parts at a local Microcenter. If you keep an eye out for sales it you can build an outstanding rig on the cheap. Also I would recommend an intel processor for a pure gaming rig as others have said. I love my AMD and it gets the job done but i use it for the six cores, as it speeds up architectual renderings.



Edited, Apr 23rd 2011 11:52am by Lostkaws
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#15 Apr 24 2011 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
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First off let me start by saying I'm completely thankful for you guys help and advice and tips and i completely understand that building your own pc is obviously the smarter way to go and cheaper. and im sorry if im sounding like a prick in what I wrote because im not trying to at all im just trying to explain where im coming from.(sorry for long posts :) )

So I understand what you're saying about building your own computer will be a lot cheaper and better then retail. But this will be my first gaming computer. The one i have right now can barely run age of empires II on low setting lol.I'm a console guy myself mainly only play strategy ,fps shooters(only console not a keyboard mouse guy for shooters),car sims,and mmos. but ever since i bought ffxi for ps2, now i see potential in pc games.I'm not looking to get the best pc out there.

i'v never built a pc be4 and im sure it wouldn't be too hard to build one after a weekend of researching how to's and spending months to buy parts for cheap. But for one i dont want to spend months building one to get one f something up, burn something out, and trash my first build. I'd rather shell out the extra cash to get someone to build one for me or get a guaranteed pc. So if it fs up in a couple months i can get it fix for free.All im trying to say and ask for is if the pcs i listed above are good enough for someone just starting to get into pc gaming and if i can be able to play ffxiv on or at least just need to buy a upgrade here or there (i.e. graphic card or memory).

I was originally was wanting to only spend 500 bucks on a pc but now im willing to shell out extra to go from getting a dual core amd pc to a i7 intel.Pushing my budget from 500 to at the most 1.2k or 1.4k tops I been looking around and looking at video/reviews on the 2600k i7 and for the price and what i heard,read,seen seems to be a very good Processor.So i started to look around for pcs with the same Processor and came up with the ones listed above and the only thing i see that needs to be upgraded is the graphic card and possibly the psu but with a 700watt manufactured one i dont see how that can be that bad i doubt the pc come close to even using that much watts.

I just want to be told from ppl that know about pcs to a novice that just started to get into pc gaming if im going the right path to start.Or at least a "for the price and what it comes with it's a good start and yea u can play this but you might need to upgrade this to play with less lagg." or "No for the price and what it comes with might as well keep looking because it a waste of money and you wont be able to play this".

If anyone bought a computer from a site or had been looking around themselves and came a cross a pc that you can be like. "if you want to start somewhere this probably be your best bet".I'm not trying to be lazy either and telling you guys to waste your time and be like "yea i went around for you and found this,these pcs you have to buy". I went around and looked up these computers i'm willing to buy or i will buy.I just want advice if any or none are these are worth buying.So far the pc that i have high hopes for is ether the wal-mart cyberpower intel i7 2600k evo fang or the newegg intel i7 2600k gamer ultra If not anyand keep looking.I appreciate the help it just i dont think im ready to build a pc at least not yet. I just want to buy a built pc.

ps. im a car guy so just like you tell me about building ur own pc. i can tell you if u just bought any car from a dealer u just got ripped off.and you should have just build a car that houses a 5.7l engine that had a blown mortar for cheaper and be able to beat anything above 11.5 secs on a 1/4 for only 3-4k out of pocket.But you wont do it because you dont know how to build one yet and if you try you don't want to mess up and crash your car.right? im the same way lol with pcs for now.
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#16 Apr 24 2011 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Btw i was saying about buying the cheaper one from wal-mart that comes with a crappier graphic card because im saving 90 bucks and i can sell the GTS 450 for like 60-80 and save like $180 in total.So it be like if i bought the pc w/o a card and just buy any card i want compared to buying the better one even tho it does come with like pretty good card. it's not the best. i don't think? lol but be stuck with that card if i dont want it.You know it like a $180 card to a $120 card. Buy the cheaper pc sell the cheaper card and buy the card I want.

Aswell if need bee sell the psu it come with and card and buy a good brand psu and good card. Give or take ill save lose some money but it wont be as bad as if i buy a more expensive pc and have no money to change anything.Be stuck with a stock pc.
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I can understand what you are saying about not being ready to build a pc. I felt the same way, and looked at all the pre-made models you are. They will all suffice, so you are on the right track. Make sure you get at least a nvidia 460 or ati/amd 6000 series GPU. They will run the game great. A quick word on power supplies: It's not just about having enough power, it is also about having clean power. Think of it as putting the right kind of gas in high performance car; if you do not you are going to have problems. So be sure to get a quality power supply; not just one that meets the required specs. Stay away from the wallmart stuff and get one from Ibuypower or whatever the other site is. They seem to be good and offer a decent value. Do not underestimate the value of upgrading memory to something with covers for cooling. Relatively cheap upgrade and may save you down the road. You should be able to pick up a pre-built pc that will play this game on standard settings for under 1k.

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Lostkaws thanks for the advice!

I want to know which processor is better because i keep reading about the i5-2500K processor being best way to go and the i-7 2600k being second best. I keep reading a lot that i5 2500k is the best with gaming.If so i can save about a good 100-200 buck just buying a pc with a i5 in it(just by Googleing i5-2500k desktops). If so maybe i should look into buying a i5 computer which i seen prices from $900+ with same specs just with a i-5. which woulds save me more money.

Btw is AMD Radeon HD 6850 good card? Seems the i-5 computer deals come with that card in it.ill probably sit here on the web on Tuesday and look for all the best computers i can buy and put more specs/links on here see which come out the best because im planing this Friday to buy a computer.
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the i5 will suit your needs just fine. In actuality games rarely make use of the max amount of cores. My six core is way overkill for games, but I use it for rendering when I have 100% cpu usage over all cores. You can use the money you may have spent on upgrading graphics, memory, or psu. Honestly when I was looking at prebuilt models I had it down to about 800.00 for a rig that would play the game on standard. It might be lower now considering GPU prices have come down considerably. If you are just building a decent gaming rig and do not need "the bleeding edge" go with the i5. get a good motherboard, I am a big ASUS fan. They have been very good to me both as products and as a company. They are a little more spendy, but worth it.
Also be aware of your case size, case air flow, and gpu size. That is why I discouraged the walmart idea. Gaming rigs can run hot and you want good airflow. Todays GPU cards can be massive. I think mine is **** near a foot long or possibly more, regardless it is big. This can affect airflow and thereby affect cooling. The 6850 is a great card, and will do this game justice. Go with the i5 and 6850 combo and I think you will be satisfied. Just keep an eye on the other components to make sure you are not getting subpar equipment. You do not want to run stock pistons when the rest of your motor has been built for massive HP.

Edited, Apr 24th 2011 11:20am by Lostkaws
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Focus on the gpu not the cpu, and on that build where you had a 6850, get a 5850 instead because they are $10 cheaper and 7-8% more powerful.
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The AMD HD 6850 absolutely crushes the GT 450.

XenoKrates wrote:
Focus on the gpu not the cpu, and on that build where you had a 6850, get a 5850 instead because they are $10 cheaper and 7-8% more powerful.
No. The 6850 is actually cheaper by ~$10 and about 14% more powerful than the 5850. In fact, the HD 6850 is one of the best cards on the market right now for a balance of performance per dollar (only being beaten out by an old, low-end/budget card from AMD), and not only that, it's also one of the most powerful overall too.

The only difference between the i5-2500k and the i7-2600k is a slightly higher clock speed and larger L2 cache on the i7. The i5 is much cheaper though.




Edited, Apr 24th 2011 2:29pm by bsphil
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bsphil wrote:
The AMD HD 6850 absolutely crushes the GT 450.

XenoKrates wrote:
Focus on the gpu not the cpu, and on that build where you had a 6850, get a 5850 instead because they are $10 cheaper and 7-8% more powerful.
No. The 6850 is actually cheaper by ~$10 and about 14% more powerful.

The only difference between the i5-2500k and the i7-2600k is a slightly higher clock speed and larger L2 cache on the i7. The i5 is much cheaper though.



Edited, Apr 24th 2011 2:06pm by bsphil

Incorrect.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/images/metro_2033_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/images/perfrel.gif
http://www.hwcompare.com/5916/radeon-hd-5850-vs-radeon-hd-6850/
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So the generational upgrade produced a worse, more expensive card? I guess it hogs less power, but that still seems like a pretty epic failure.
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XenoKrates wrote:
bsphil wrote:
The AMD HD 6850 absolutely crushes the GT 450.

XenoKrates wrote:
Focus on the gpu not the cpu, and on that build where you had a 6850, get a 5850 instead because they are $10 cheaper and 7-8% more powerful.
No. The 6850 is actually cheaper by ~$10 and about 14% more powerful.

The only difference between the i5-2500k and the i7-2600k is a slightly higher clock speed and larger L2 cache on the i7. The i5 is much cheaper though.



Edited, Apr 24th 2011 2:06pm by bsphil

Incorrect.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/images/metro_2033_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/images/perfrel.gif
http://www.hwcompare.com/5916/radeon-hd-5850-vs-radeon-hd-6850/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=hd+5850&x=0&y=0 vs http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=hd%206850&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20

Looks like you can get it cheaper, true. As for your benchmarks, that looks like one game to me. http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html My reference with 2029 samples puts the 6850 definitively ahead of the 5850 (with 4370 samples). If you want to go the one-game benchmark test, find benchmarks comparing performance in FFXIV? That'll be a tough one though.

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So the generational upgrade produced a worse, more expensive card? I guess it hogs less power, but that still seems like a pretty epic failure.
The 5850 is less expensive because it's not in production anymore and anyone with them still in stock is cutting the price to get them out the door before they become obsolete. When it was, the price was closer to $200.



Edited, Apr 24th 2011 2:38pm by bsphil
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They are both good cards, that will play ffxiv fine. As far as benchmark scores I would look at Furmark scores.
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bsphil wrote:
XenoKrates wrote:
bsphil wrote:
The AMD HD 6850 absolutely crushes the GT 450.

XenoKrates wrote:
Focus on the gpu not the cpu, and on that build where you had a 6850, get a 5850 instead because they are $10 cheaper and 7-8% more powerful.
No. The 6850 is actually cheaper by ~$10 and about 14% more powerful.

The only difference between the i5-2500k and the i7-2600k is a slightly higher clock speed and larger L2 cache on the i7. The i5 is much cheaper though.



Edited, Apr 24th 2011 2:06pm by bsphil

Incorrect.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/images/metro_2033_1920_1200.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6790/images/perfrel.gif
http://www.hwcompare.com/5916/radeon-hd-5850-vs-radeon-hd-6850/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=hd+5850&x=0&y=0 vs http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=hd%206850&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20

Looks like you can get it cheaper, true. As for your benchmarks, that looks like one game to me. http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html My reference with 2029 samples puts the 6850 definitively ahead of the 5850 (with 4370 samples). If you want to go the one-game benchmark test, find benchmarks comparing performance in FFXIV? That'll be a tough one though.

Omena wrote:

So the generational upgrade produced a worse, more expensive card? I guess it hogs less power, but that still seems like a pretty epic failure.
The 5850 is less expensive because it's not in production anymore and anyone with them still in stock is cutting the price to get them out the door before they become obsolete. When it was, the price was closer to $200.



Edited, Apr 24th 2011 2:38pm by bsphil

I just bought a 5850 yesterday because my 5770 crapped out (and I get free Shogun 2 ^_^) and after about 2 hours of research the only site that told me the 6850 was the better card was from the site you posted. However that is not raw power, that is computer power. A 5850 is a 2 year old card, meaning most of the benchmarks on that site are from 2 year old computers. The 6850 is only a few months old meaning that the computers those benchmarks were tested on are newer computers.
A 5850 with a i5 750 and 4gb of ram would lose against a 6850 with a i7 2600k and 12 gb of ram, for instance.
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Thanks everyone for all the help and advice!

after time spent looking around and watching/reading reviews I think im finally decided on buying the CyberpowerPC Fang EVO GLC1202 Intel Core i7-2600K(http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-CyberpowerPC-GLC1202/15773562) w/ HIS Radeon HD 6870(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161349&cm_re=6870-_-14-161-349-_-Product),and a CORSAIR 750W PSU(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006) for a total price of $1,383.I think im happy with that for a retail pc unless i find a better pc by friday.
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Enjoy the the new PC. I looked at those, and that should be a great gaming rig.
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#29 Apr 27 2011 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks everyone for all the help and advice!

after time spent looking around and watching/reading reviews I think im finally decided on buying the CyberpowerPC Fang EVO GLC1202 Intel Core i7-2600K(http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-CyberpowerPC-GLC1202/15773562) w/ HIS Radeon HD 6870(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161349&cm_re=6870-_-14-161-349-_-Product),and a CORSAIR 750W PSU(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006) for a total price of $1,383.I think im happy with that for a retail pc unless i find a better pc by friday.


Sorry to hear that you are buying a wal-mart PC. You may have been better off going to ebay and buying a computer that was custom built for what you want. The ones there, (look at feedback) are custom built without all the bs.
The problem with your wal-mart PC is that they are custom built for wal-mart, which means second grade parts, sorry, but true. (all serial/model numbers reflect where bought).
I know that you are aprehensive about building one, but there are services around that will put all the parts you get together for you for a rig.

That being said, good luck my friend with your new rig
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you should just purchase parts and build it yourself. You'll save much more money and with that saved money you can buy better parts. You buy off tubes and your paying hundreds of extra dollars in import fee, shipping and handling, company to make your comp etc. Just import fee from US to Canada for me was $200 CAN.

Personally, I don't know much about building PC's when I got mine. I purchased one off of ibuypower.
The quality of the build and shipping services and way they pack your PC is awesome. I didn't have any problems with receiving my comp on time or was anything missing, had worries about shipping computer from another country but they use high quality boxes and packing material. They did however take out a top small fan (to fit the PSU I ordered) and they upgraded my CPU cooler. I thought this was a pretty nice tradeoff. Prices are alright, always can be better but you get what you pay for out of this company. Customer service I can't comment on as I didn't even have a problem to contact customer service with.
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This system has ran every game I've thrown at it very well, does benchmarks very well too! No complaints. I Run games with 1920x1080 resolution. (crysis 2, metro 2033, XIV, Fallout 3, EVE)
Just remember NOT to cheap out on PSU and get a good PC case that can ventilate good and provide good airflow.

Edited, Apr 27th 2011 8:29am by SSmokie
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StrifeJS wrote:
Thanks everyone for all the help and advice!

after time spent looking around and watching/reading reviews I think im finally decided on buying the CyberpowerPC Fang EVO GLC1202 Intel Core i7-2600K(http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-CyberpowerPC-GLC1202/15773562) w/ HIS Radeon HD 6870(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161349&cm_re=6870-_-14-161-349-_-Product),and a CORSAIR 750W PSU(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006) for a total price of $1,383.I think im happy with that for a retail pc unless i find a better pc by friday.
Why not just buy the entire PC from Cyberpower? You'll get a better deal by not having to buy replacement parts on day 0.
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Ok short reply. Tomorrow im going to order this pc from cyberpower the specs are : i-7 2600k, [CrossFireX] Asus P8P67-M Intel P67 Chipset DDR3 mATX Motherboard, 8gs of memory,NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2GB Video Card,700 Watts - XtremeGear SLI/CrossFireX Ready Power Supply,1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD.

What you think good for a starting pc?

Oh BTW and im paying $1,241 plus $75 shipping.
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I won't say don't get the i7 2600K, but from a purely gaming standpoint, the i5 2500K is the same thing. So if dropping to that would allow you to upgrade something else, it could be worth it. Others have said the only differences are Slightly higher Base Clock and 2MB more cache. It also has HyperThreading, which the i5 does not. But games don't use, and some even under-perform with HyperThreading. And if you're overclocking, which is stupidly easy with Sandy Bridge, the slight difference in base clocks won't matter. Now if you do video encoding, heavy photoshop stuff, and more things like that, the 2600K would be the way to go.

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I would say you set. From this point anything said is kind of splitting hairs. Get it and enjoy it.
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I decided on the i-7 2600k because i keep hearing it's the best way to go. and yea the i-5 2500k would save me like 100 bucks but I'd rather go for the potential the i-7 2600k has over the i-5 even if it not by much.
Yea eventho idk anything yet about overclocking i'll probbly do that once the time comes for it(i built it from cyerpower overclocking rdy).Oh and i hear you can disable HyperThreading anyway for overclocking so not an issuse. If i-7 has it i can just turn it off. I want to know what you guys think ill be able to run the game at low-medium setting or medium-high settings?
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StrifeJS wrote:
I decided on the i-7 2600k because i keep hearing it's the best way to go. and yea the i-5 2500k would save me like 100 bucks but I'd rather go for the potential the i-7 2600k has over the i-5 even if it not by much.
Yea eventho idk anything yet about overclocking i'll probbly do that once the time comes for it(i built it from cyerpower overclocking rdy).Oh and i hear you can disable HyperThreading anyway for overclocking so not an issuse. If i-7 has it i can just turn it off. I want to know what you guys think ill be able to run the game at low-medium setting or medium-high settings?



I would guess high with oclusion and multi-sampling off. Run a benchmark with Furmark when your PC gets there and see what scores you get with multi-sampling. I can run 4x multisampling (in game) with a furmark score of 77-80 avg. (multi-sampling 4x on furmark) That's with OC'd processor/ram/and gpu. Once you get your benched scores you can feel free to post or you can PM me and I can help you OC or tweak it, if you want.
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That would be aswome i'll let you know once i get the pc. Because i know nothing about o/c i just made sure i built my pc with everything rdy for o/cing tho. Btw whats oclusion and multi-sampling no idea what that is. well ill google lol (at work bored as ****).
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