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#1 Apr 17 2011 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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http://fantaji.com/pictures/8097

Cool stuff.
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#2 Apr 17 2011 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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The gunblade and verious other models are already known to exist in the database models/textures

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=130256344430642876
#3 Apr 17 2011 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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oh my bad.
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#4 Apr 17 2011 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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No worries. With the amount of threads that get generated in this forum daily is is easy to not notice a similar topic even if it is recent.
#5 Apr 18 2011 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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I like the arrow, so you know exactly what to look at in the picture.
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#6 Apr 18 2011 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Are people really expected not to post anything if you don't monitor the forums daily? If one person didn't realize that something was already posted, chances are that many others are seeing it for the first time as well.

Personally, I like when things are posted several times because there's less chance that I will miss something. I don't agree that forums should be structured for the conveneince of a small handfull of hardcore people that refresh the thread list every 5 minutes, 24/7.

#7 Apr 18 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.
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#8 Apr 18 2011 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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Omena wrote:
Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.


Yeah, like the bayonet - oh wait, that's real.
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#9 Apr 18 2011 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
Omena wrote:
Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.
Yeah, like the bayonet - oh wait, that's real.
Which is probably why it hasn't been used in more than 50 years.
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#10 Apr 18 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Omena wrote:
Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.
Yeah, like the bayonet - oh wait, that's real.
Which is probably why it hasn't been used in more than 50 years.


I suppose I didn't realize Final Fantasy needed to make use of only the most cutting-edge (see what I did there?) weapons technology. Poor Cloud, poor Sephiroth, poor Zell... to say nothing of poor Setzer, stuck throwing playing cards, dice, and darts.
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#11 Apr 18 2011 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
Omena wrote:
Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.


Yeah, like the bayonet - oh wait, that's real.

The bayonet was actually useful. The gunblade has a grip completely unsuitable for sword play and it also makes a terrible gun. Nobody would ever have a reason to make a gun like that.

The bayonet on the other hand was very useful, and especially on muskets as they took forever to reload and the battlefield would quickly be so full of smoke you couldn't see far enough to shoot but not stab. You'd fire your salvo, then attach the bayonet and charge into the cloud of smoke. If the other side didn't do the same, you probably got to them before they managed to arm their muskets again.

Also, Wikipedia reveals this little gem:
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Bayonets were experimented with through much of the 18th and 19th centuries. In the United States Navy before the American Civil War, bayonet blades were even affixed to single-shot pistols, although they soon proved useless for anything but cooking. Cutlasses remained the favoured weapon for the navies of the time, though Queen Victoria's Royal Navy gave up the pikes once used to repel attacks by boarders in favor of the cutlass bayonet.

Ok, so I was wrong. Someone did make a gunblade. Despite, unlike the gunblade of FF, not being a primarily fencing weapon and not weighing a ton, they proved to be useful only in cooking, however.



Edited, Apr 18th 2011 1:22pm by Omena
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#12 Apr 18 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can imagine some crazy Colonial Ninja using two pistolblades.
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#13 Apr 18 2011 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
Never bring a pistol blade to a bayonet fight.
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#14 Apr 18 2011 at 12:25 PM Rating: Default
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Are people really expected not to post anything if you don't monitor the forums daily? If one person didn't realize that something was already posted, chances are that many others are seeing it for the first time as well.

True, but a quick search (either Google or a glance back through the last few pages -- this is not a fast-moving forum) would have turned up the original thread, and replying there would bump it and expose it to just as many new people while also letting them see all the previous content and discussion.

It's not a big deal, but it bogs down a forum and scatters discussion over several threads when people constantly make new threads on the same topics, so it's not a good idea as forum policy.
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Omena wrote:
Wikipedia reveals this little gem:
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Bayonets were experimented with through much of the 18th and 19th centuries. In the United States Navy before the American Civil War, bayonet blades were even affixed to single-shot pistols, although they soon proved useless for anything but cooking. Cutlasses remained the favoured weapon for the navies of the time, though Queen Victoria's Royal Navy gave up the pikes once used to repel attacks by boarders in favor of the cutlass bayonet.

Ok, so I was wrong. Someone did make a gunblade. Despite, unlike the gunblade of FF, not being a primarily fencing weapon and not weighing a ton, they proved to be useful only in cooking, however.


You do realize that the cutlass bayonet is a more-than-two-foot-long sword on the end of a rifle, right? If the Royal Navy preferred it, it seems to have been a generally effective gunblade.

Regardless of what nineteenth- and early twentieth-century populations did, the gunblades of FFVIII were, if converted into real-life firearms, impractically designed. FFXIV's (judging from the OP's link) have a slightly better design, with the grip seemingly more conducive to sword-slashin' without greatly jeopardizing one's ability to shoot a fellow.

I'm not really sure how much bearing real-life functionality and history should have on fantasy games, however, lest we loose wands and staves and robes to machine guns, rifles, and camouflage combat armour. XD
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From a purely fantasy stand point, I don't mind a gunblade. It was an interesting premise in FF8, and if they do put it in I'd hope they would make it so you could time a trigger pull for additional damage. From a purely realistic stand point, it is completely impractical. You'll either shatter your wrist when you pull the trigger due to bad hand placement and the recoil, and the grip tends to be too curved to make it effective in any type of prolonged close quarter exchange. And worse if you're hitting blade-to-blade like a sword fight.
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#17 Apr 18 2011 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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Gunblades aren't just "fantasy weapons", they actually existed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword
#18 Apr 18 2011 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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From the royal armory in Malta

http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p179/mmihal17/?action=view&current=P8250108.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p179/mmihal17/P8250107.jpg
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#19 Apr 19 2011 at 5:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Omena wrote:
Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.
Yeah, like the bayonet - oh wait, that's real.
Which is probably why it hasn't been used in more than 50 years.


So... goodbye swords, wands, staves, bows and arrows, and basically everything else in this game?
OK, so SE can only use acid bombs, nukes, guns, and lasers now.
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Yeah! And then, instead of summoning ancient Gods from various religions you could summmon, I dunno....An AC130, but only after you kill several mobs in a row! S-E could innovate with something I call "Iron sights" where you shoot one of said lasers, guns, or nukes while aiming down the rails of a gun. Wait a second...sounds like this game has already been made...

To the bayonet point (pun intended)...They still have combat knives that attach to the end of M4's and M16's, so there is a modern equivalent to the bayonet.
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Lets just be honest, no one likes gun blades because FF8 was pants and Squall is the lamest hero going. Love the game though I do...
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Autumnfire wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Omena wrote:
Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.
Yeah, like the bayonet - oh wait, that's real.
Which is probably why it hasn't been used in more than 50 years.
So... goodbye swords, wands, staves, bows and arrows, and basically everything else in this game?

OK, so SE can only use acid bombs, nukes, guns, and lasers now.
If that were the argument, you might have had a point.
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They still have combat knives that attach to the end of M4's and M16's, so there is a modern equivalent to the bayonet.
Hi, soldier for ten years here. They haven't been used at the ends of M4s or M16s in 50 years.
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Hi, soldier for ten years here. They haven't been used at the ends of M4s or M16s in 50 years.


Actually, I can personally tell you that there was a bayonet line made, and used during a riot in Ramadi during 2004.

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#24 Apr 19 2011 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Others beat me to it, but yeat, gunblades are historical weapons. The idea was to get a shot off at a charging enemy and still have a weapon for use hand to hand if they do manage to close ranks, although I suppose it would be a rather nasty thing to stab someone and then pull the trigger. Granted, they were more playthings for the wealthy, but to say that no one would ever build one, or that they were impracticle weapons is to ignore reality. If you're expecting to need a sword, then you're probably firing at point blank range anyway, so they don't need to be built for ranged accuracy.

Also gun hammers, gun daggers, punching-knife/knuckle-duster guns, and even cutlery has been made into firearm hybrids (the fork and knife gun set is my favorite. The barrel on the fork is positioned perfectly to shoot yourself in the mouth while eating).
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#25 Apr 20 2011 at 5:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Autumnfire wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Omena wrote:
Also, it is not cool. The gunblade is one of the dumbest fantasy weapons conceived by man.
Yeah, like the bayonet - oh wait, that's real.
Which is probably why it hasn't been used in more than 50 years.
So... goodbye swords, wands, staves, bows and arrows, and basically everything else in this game?

OK, so SE can only use acid bombs, nukes, guns, and lasers now.
If that were the argument, you might have had a point.


Ah, I misunderstood what "it" was referring to. I thought he meant that bayonets weren't used in 50 years because they were impractical, but you think he meant that gunblades weren't used for 50 years because bayonets replaced them?

Edited for spelling.

Edited, Apr 20th 2011 7:24am by Autumnfire
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...gun hammers, gun daggers, punching-knife/knuckle-duster guns, and even cutlery...


This is the most awesome stretch of words I've seen in weeks and is now my new Christmas list (even the cutlery. I needs me some new knives)
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Lets just be honest, no one likes gun blades because FF8 was pants and Squall is the lamest hero going. Love the game though I do...


Personally I would prefer Lightning's Gunblade where dash then slash, kick off enemy and fire in a combo, but however looking at the structure of the OP's image and Zulvan it's just a basic blade attached to pistol. Practically the only use I can see of this is using a ranged attack to pull a mob and then switch to melee. In reality would you rather carry a sword AND a rifle, or cut down on weight and space having them built into one? Though in reality there are much better weapons of choice, a gunblade does make sense to me.
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I think people dislike gunblades because it's such a goofy term, like "kickpuncher."

Bayonets really outlived their usefulness once guns were fast to reload and had high capacity magazines. During the front-loader era bayonets essentially replaced polearms which, at the time, had been the best thing a soldier could carry into combat, besides ranged weapons like crossbows and long bows. Even during the Revolutionary War muskets were incredibly unreliable, took forever to reload, had pitiful accuracy, and were a struggle to maintain. Bayonets were absolutely essentially and functioned in the same way as polearms.

Many guns still have bayonet mounts (they were one of the features regulated under the expired Assault Weapons Ban in the US), and they are good for crowd control when you may be unable to reload, but the idea of using a gun and a blade simultaneously is what I think seems silly to some. I myself have often wondered just how a gunblade physically has any advantages over a blade or a gun. You're supposed to swing the blade, hit a target, then pull the trigger? It doesn't seem like the bullet would hit much. Perhaps if it was struck against an opponent's blade it could shatter it?

With a bayonet, you could imagine impaling a beast, then firing into it--for example, as a way of penetrating very thick skin. But a sword? Really, it just sort of sounds like a joke. I still think they're cool, though, and I loved FFVIII despite its faults.

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Slight spoiler: This gunblade is used by the Garlean Legatus you encounter in the R46 quest, Futures Perfect.

So it is not a planned usable item for the Musketeers, but that could change eventually.
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I remember watching a murder mystery once where a guy hid a gun inside an Axe. So when it looked like he was breaking the door down to save someone, he actually shot them in the head and noone knew it was him.
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I remember watching a murder mystery once where a guy hid a gun inside an Axe. So when it looked like he was breaking the door down to save someone, he actually shot them in the head and noone knew it was him.


lol.

So that solves it, then: Gun-Axes. We'll call them "Gaxes" (not to be confused with G.axes, of course). </thread> :P
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it would be possible to implement classes like this. lets say we take gladiator to 36 we complete the gladiator story line and do the same for musketeer, which unlocks a story line quest. lets call it "the tools of the Garleans" in which you proceed to do a job like quest much like that of XI's. after the quest is complete you obtain a Unique/Rare item called a "Rusty Gunblade" which could be/not be upgradable by a synth.
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Woah! That's pretty awesome. Looking forward to more crazy stuff like this being implemented.

Edited, Apr 24th 2011 6:00pm by BrokenFox
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