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#1 May 02 2011 at 1:35 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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When the earthquake in Japan hit we were allowed to talk about it as much as we liked on the Offical FFXIV forums. How ever when Usama Bin Laden is found and it's breaking news they delete the threads. All the threads are taking place in general discussion under the community section since they don't provide an off topic section. Seems a bit Anti-Western to allow news from their region to be openly discussed and not news that is important to most of the western world.
#2 May 02 2011 at 1:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, though it was much bigger than that, the earthquake news did have relevance to the game.
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its not anti western, its anti-stupidity. the quakes where aloud to be talked about because it affected FFXI-V service. there would be a relation if bin laden would have smashed a 747 into SE's server headquarters, but because there's not it was removed.

who cares if Mr laden is dead, ten more will just take his place to continue the cycle.

it was stupidity that aloud that event to occur, if the people in charge weren't dumb *** idiots we wouldn't be in this mess. we haven't had a real president in 70 years. what we have had are rich sons of lawyers and politicians who wouldn't know there *** from a hole in the ground, and are intent on selling every last piece of this country to the highest bidder.

that is the truth, Deny it and lie to yourself all you want.
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#4 May 02 2011 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Xzen wrote:
news that is important to most of the western world.


really...

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#5 May 02 2011 at 3:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's general discussion of the game, not about real-life affairs. That's why it was removed. I don't understand why you're so mad about it.

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#6 May 02 2011 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
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who cares if Mr laden is dead, ten more will just take his place to continue the cycle.


This. You're vastly overestimating the significance of that news. Just because one guy died *nothing* will change. Nil. Niente. Naught. Rien.

Is Afghanistan save and peaceful after (how many?) years of occupation - nada.
Do Iraqui Children go to school happily every day - nada.
#7 May 02 2011 at 4:43 AM Rating: Good
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Agreed that it changes nothing. I'll be a happy man when the news say things like leaders of every countries unite, everyone forgive each other of misgivings and plea not to be selfish anymore, or, if we're going into Lawful Neutral territory, scientists discovered soundwave that destroy hateful feelings in human and has already deployed it across the world.

And as some people has said: America is part of the Western World, but America ≠ THE Western World.

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#8 May 02 2011 at 5:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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i think religious conflicting arguments might arise, the earthquake was just a natural freak disaster, these are people killing eachother over religious/political reasons.
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#9 May 02 2011 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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i think religious conflicting arguments might arise, the earthquake was just a natural freak disaster, these are people killing eachother over religious/political reasons.



I agree with you there. In addition, I see this particular thread heading down that road and turning into a religious/sentimental type of arguing and bantering. I am suprised that it is not yet locked.

These type of arguments and heated disscussions have no place here either.
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#10 May 02 2011 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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Western countries involved in military operations in Afghanistan with the goal of capturing Bin Laden and unseating Al Qaeda-allied Taliban:

United States
United Kingdom
Germany
France
Italy
Canada
Poland
Romania
Australia
Spain

Western countries targeted in terror attacks by Al Qaeda or linked groups:

United States
United Kingdom (subway bombings)
Spain (train bombings)
Germany (several operatives were just arrested a few days ago with attacks planned there)
France (see above)

With the exception of Latin America, I think most of the Western world is considerably invested in battling Al Qaeda, and has been for a decade or more. For those who care about global politics, this is a big day for areas comprising most of FFXIV's player-base.

That said, I don't think the threads were deleted because of an anti-Western bias, per se, but perhaps fear of what that sort of sentiment could grow into, and desire not to set a precedent of allowing political threads. That's probably smart.

It's the problem with heavily moderated forums. You do need to follow your own rules, as a moderator. That's why I prefer the approach of the sprawling IMDb.com forums, which has a minimal "Report Abuse" function and little else, and situations like this sort of self-correct after a bit, with no one the worse for wear.
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#11 May 02 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Xzen wrote:
When the earthquake in Japan hit we were allowed to talk about it as much as we liked on the Offical FFXIV forums. How ever when Usama Bin Laden is found and it's breaking news they delete the threads. All the threads are taking place in general discussion under the community section since they don't provide an off topic section. Seems a bit Anti-Western to allow news from their region to be openly discussed and not news that is important to most of the western world.


No offtopic? What you talking about? http://www.zam.com/forum.html?forum=28
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#13 May 02 2011 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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Well, when I heard the new last night, I thought to myself "Hrm wonder if anyone on Zam or Lodestone posted", sure enough I was going to say something, but I had a thought...that these forums are really not the type of forums for posting such things on. These are gaming forums, there is plenty of other forums to post onto that politics isn't one of them. Let's leave the political posts for political forums and the games for the gaming forums...besides...I was always told there are 3 things you should never discuss with people (unless you know them very well of course):

1. Religion
2. Money
3. POLITICS

Big no-no's :| coming from someone who grew up in the deep south of Louisiana...also where the swamp people live :| (I'm almost positive I'm related to some of those folks...my father has the same accent as Troy :| I have to translate what he says to my husband half the time :|) LOL

Anywho, seriously, that's just a guess as to why your posts were deleted.
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#14 May 02 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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That said, I don't think the threads were deleted because of an anti-Western bias, per se, but perhaps fear of what that sort of sentiment could grow into, and desire not to set a precedent of allowing political threads. That's probably smart.




This exactly.
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#15 May 02 2011 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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If the death of Osama bin Laden had an impact on the server status for FFXIV somehow, then yes, it would be a valid point of discussion.
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#16 May 02 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Default
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what iff osama created a weather device that caused those repeated natural disasters on japan, and a ffxiv player head-shots him. That could be relevant lol
#17 May 02 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Xzen wrote:
When the earthquake in Japan hit we were allowed to talk about it as much as we liked on the Offical FFXIV forums. How ever when Usama Bin Laden is found and it's breaking news they delete the threads. All the threads are taking place in general discussion under the community section since they don't provide an off topic section. Seems a bit Anti-Western to allow news from their region to be openly discussed and not news that is important to most of the western world.


No offtopic? What you talking about? http://www.zam.com/forum.html?forum=28


He meant there's no off topic on the official forums, wasn't referring to zam.

And like other's have said, not allowing the thread was probably a good thing, being the inherent political nature of the subject.
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#18 May 02 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry, I didn't realise Western world only consisted of America because last I checked, Western Europe don't care.
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Rinsui wrote:
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who cares if Mr laden is dead, ten more will just take his place to continue the cycle.


This. You're vastly overestimating the significance of that news. Just because one guy died *nothing* will change. Nil. Niente. Naught. Rien.

Is Afghanistan save and peaceful after (how many?) years of occupation - nada.
Do Iraqui Children go to school happily every day - nada.


He's like a rare-spawn NM with no drops whatsoever. Bye-bye, Taisai...
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#20 May 02 2011 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry, I didn't realise Western world only consisted of America because last I checked, Western Europe don't care.


Really? Are you sure? Speak for yourself, I went to work today surrounded by elated Brits, Pakistanis, Indians,... oh wait nevermind it was a bank holiday...

Seriously though people here were pretty happy, and a few friends of mine from Slovakia and Romania were quite happy (which I couldn't figure out to be honest...)
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who cares if Mr laden is dead, ten more will just take his place to continue the cycle.
This. You're vastly overestimating the significance of that news. Just because one guy died *nothing* will change. Nil. Niente. Naught. Rien.
While it might not change anything, there is a lot of significance to his death. Specifically to the people who lost friends and family to the attacks ten years ago. It brings them closure. Its not much different than pumping a serial killer full of liquid death. It doesn't change that he killed people, nor does it change the fact that someone else is going to kill people, but for the families of that particular murderer's victims its a welcome end.
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#22 May 02 2011 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Bin Laden wasn't just any leader - he was an extraordinarily effective leader, by all accounts. Just because someone will fill his shoes, it doesn't mean he'll really fill his shoes, so to speak.

That said, the restrictions on Bin Laden's movement and communications themselves rendered him powerless for the past few years; hence, Al Qaeda itself carried out very few successful attacks, and nothing of the magnitude of 9/11 or the USS Cole. So it is probably correct to assume little will change from the past few years to the next few years.
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#23 May 02 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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there is a lot of significance to his death. Specifically to the people who lost friends and family to the attacks ten years ago. It brings them closure. Its not much different than pumping a serial killer full of liquid death.... for the families of that particular murderer's victims its a welcome end.


But he wasn't a serial killer; blame, guilt, and judgment isn't as easy to dole out when there are myriad groups and sub-groups involved with supplying, funding, planning, and implementing targeted killings. If we're talking about some sort of "closure/retribution" for the deaths caused on September 11th... well, the people who actually did the murders died when they crashed their commandeered planes into a building...
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Challenge Mode: Make this thread FFXIV related again.

Vanquish Challenge #6 Mode: Without locking the thread.
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KaneKitty wrote:
But he wasn't a serial killer;
Metaphor.
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#27 May 05 2011 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
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western? why do people complain?
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I am soo hoping for a cowboy class this time around. Name it...Outlaw or something.
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