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#1 May 12 2011 at 12:38 AM Rating: Default
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http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/12/square_enix_earnings_revision/

So this may be the end of FFXIV. With financial problems and a completely failed launch of FFXIV it would be logical to assume FFXIV will be cut in favor of single player projects they actually make money on.
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#2 May 12 2011 at 12:46 AM Rating: Good
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That would be the dumbest mistake they ever made if they do it. I think it would destroy the credibility of the whole Final Fantasy franchise, and frankly I would never buy a Final Fantasy again if they were so cheap. So I honestly don't see this game being cut, unless after PS3 launch its still a total failure. They have already invested too much into rebuilding this game anyways, and they have known for months this was a big loss for them.

Also reading the article you provided it says "The revision is due to extraordinary losses, in part from a "tightened selection standard" for games."

This to me implies that they are being more strict about which games they move forward with or not. This is also a forecast.

I remember reading somewhere before that FF11 made more money than any other Final fantasy game too. If that in mind, I don't think they will want to dump their next online game.
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In the long term the money they make on the FF brand is just too much to damage with an utterly failed mmo. That said with the PS network issues they may want to rethink their reliance on that infrastructure.
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That would be the dumbest mistake they ever made if they do it. I think it would destroy the credibility of the whole Final Fantasy franchise, and frankly I would never buy a Final Fantasy again if they were so cheap. So I honestly don't see this game being cut, unless after PS3 launch its still a total failure. They have already invested too much into rebuilding this game anyways, and they have known for months this was a big loss for them.


Are you serious? The game has cost 50million to produce, it's been free to play for 7 months+ which costs what, couple of hundred thousand per month or more. The game won't turn around for 1-2 years (which will cost them a small fortune in wages/server fees), they still have to produce a PS3 version which will cost more money and could very easily still fail. You think in this position keeping FFXIV running is a good business decision? Especially since in total honesty the game has very few players to upset if they close it anyway and of those many will simply return to XI (many already have).

Aren't they currently suggesting the world is coming to an end in XIV atm? Remember reading stuff about end of the world, areas getting darker, more rain etc.

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I remember reading somewhere before that FF11 made more money than any other Final fantasy game too. If that in mind, I don't think they will want to dump their next online game.


This isn't FFXI and it never will be, the mass damage has already been done to make sure of this. The game has been out 7 months, they gave it a fair whack to turn player numbers around and it still has horrible player numbers when it's free. You think people in charge of dishing out money see this game as a good investment for god knows how much more money?

I honestly don't knwo what they will do with 14 but if anyone sensible is in charge at Square and looking at FFXIV you can make a pretty good bet what they will do, it's bleeding money and it will now never make a profit if you actually do the numbers.

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If they're gonna do anything to FFXIV, I think at most they would shut down the servers, work on it some more, then open them back up when the PS3 version is released.

Edited, May 12th 2011 3:27am by TerraSonicX
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preludes wrote:

Aren't they currently suggesting the world is coming to an end in XIV atm? Remember reading stuff about end of the world, areas getting darker, more rain etc.



WoW came out with Cataclysm, said to be the beginning of the end of the Warcraft world. Does that mean they'll shut down the servers? Don't answer me with "Well they have 11.5 million subscribers." Your point is, to reiterate, 'The game shows the end of the world, ergo they'll end the game and shut down the servers.'

The end of the world is pretty much the staple of almost every Final Fantasy game there was. Speaking of Final Fantasy...

Remember this is still a Final Fantasy game. It's the consensus that this is a "flagship" title, and they're not, shorting of the company facing bankruptcy I imagine, will make them destroy the title.

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#8 May 12 2011 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
Well, lucky for us, if they knew their heads from their **** they would have cancelled the game when they realized what a steaming pile they were going to release-- but they didn't so there is hope. ;)
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WoW came out with Cataclysm, said to be the beginning of the end of the Warcraft world. Does that mean they'll shut down the servers? Don't answer me with "Well they have 11.5 million subscribers." Your point is, to reiterate, 'The game shows the end of the world, ergo they'll end the game and shut down the servers.'


I don't know, not having received one single sub since release and them runing the game at a total loss when the entire company is not doing well hardly shows this "event" in a happy light. It's possible it's simply a cool new event but the timing and tone is quite foreboding. End of the world event in a failed, almost dead game?

Edited, May 12th 2011 4:01am by preludes
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#10 May 12 2011 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
Kayako wrote:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/12/square_enix_earnings_revision/

So this may be the end of FFXIV. With financial problems and a completely failed launch of FFXIV it would be logical to assume FFXIV will be cut in favor of single player projects they actually make money on.


See I'm having trouble seeing the part where they said they will be cutting 3 projects, also the inference that they haven't already tightened the selection of games coming out. They do make some oddball titles for the Wii and Apple iPhone/iPad store that could have been in the works that they cut as well.

This entire post smacks of massive exaggeration, much like the emails my grandmother sends me spewing gloom and doom or creating wild accusations about what our government is doing. Funny part is that when you click the links to reputable (sometimes not so much) sites that the emails sometimes include, you'll find more realistic or drastically different information. But the original email author does some creative editing or alters figures to incite more fear/panic/outrage/ [insert desired public control here].

Though... perhaps you truly inferred that information from the article and if that happens to be the case, there are quite a few programs out there that can help you with that reading comprehension problem.
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Maybe they are trying to maximise the projects they know they'll make money on? I've just had an email off them with the new Hitman Absolution teaser, it's seems that their modus operandi with Eidos is to belt out sequels (so far we've had a Tomb Raider one - which was actually ok, Deus Ex is almost here and now Hitman). I guess they are seeing this as a cash cow, possibly to see them through the next few years while they try other things?

EA posted final year losses of millions a few months ago and are expected to publish 1st quarter earnings that will **** all over the previous quarter losses with releases such as Bulletstorm and Dead Space 2. It's all peaks and troughs and traditionally software company - especially gaming - can be financially precarious at best.

I too believe that SE cannot switch off FFXIV, especially after the very mediocre FFXIII. They are approaching their FFXIV problem in the correct manner with the reshuffle and Yoshi P has already stated the SE is in a unique position within the gaming industry where they don't answer to Investors so they can keep money in the development. This may actually turn out to be something of a historic turn around, we don't know yet. It's definitely a new direction that seems to be coming to the fore; APB reloaded is a similar case where a game had amazing potential, crashed and burned at launch but is being revamped to generally positive reviews within their respective communities.

Before any says it I am not saying this game is perfect by a long shot, but as someone who left it for about 12 weeks and returned I can honestly say that I am really enjoying playing the game now and am quietly hopeful about the future, and this rests almost solely on the shoulder of Yoshi P and I find myself growing in confidence at the way he is handling the game development and allowing that development to be reactive to the community suggestions and wants.

That's what I hope at least.
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#12 May 12 2011 at 2:32 AM Rating: Good
stop making crap games

good way to make more money

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This was already disproved.
Yoshi-P said himself, Square Enix promised to financially back FFXIV until the dev team finally give up.

And where exactly did you get that they're cutting 3 projects? The report says they MAY cut future development projects i.e ones that haven't been released yet.
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That would be the dumbest mistake they ever made if they do it. I think it would destroy the credibility of the whole Final Fantasy franchise, and frankly I would never buy a Final Fantasy again if they were so cheap. So I honestly don't see this game being cut, unless after PS3 launch its still a total failure. They have already invested too much into rebuilding this game anyways, and they have known for months this was a big loss for them.


Are you serious? The game has cost 50million to produce, it's been free to play for 7 months+ which costs what, couple of hundred thousand per month or more. The game won't turn around for 1-2 years (which will cost them a small fortune in wages/server fees), they still have to produce a PS3 version which will cost more money and could very easily still fail. You think in this position keeping FFXIV running is a good business decision? Especially since in total honesty the game has very few players to upset if they close it anyway and of those many will simply return to XI (many already have).

Aren't they currently suggesting the world is coming to an end in XIV atm? Remember reading stuff about end of the world, areas getting darker, more rain etc.

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I remember reading somewhere before that FF11 made more money than any other Final fantasy game too. If that in mind, I don't think they will want to dump their next online game.


This isn't FFXI and it never will be, the mass damage has already been done to make sure of this. The game has been out 7 months, they gave it a fair whack to turn player numbers around and it still has horrible player numbers when it's free. You think people in charge of dishing out money see this game as a good investment for god knows how much more money?

I honestly don't knwo what they will do with 14 but if anyone sensible is in charge at Square and looking at FFXIV you can make a pretty good bet what they will do, it's bleeding money and it will now never make a profit if you actually do the numbers.

Edited, May 12th 2011 3:20am by preludes


I think it will destroy their branding. And sure players can go back to an old MMORPG like FF11, and wait there until it slowly dies out. But FF14 is their future, and if they shut down the project down now, they will just have to fork over another 50 million to make a new one. On top of that, no one will trust the new one after this one completely flopped and they led it to rest and die. Final Fantasy LIVES on branding. Final Fantasy has 14 titles because of its brand. It can't possibly name a new game Final Fantasy 15, unless the brand is strong otherwise they should just name it something different, its not like they are sequels anyways. They use the name because of its strong brand.
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This was already disproved.
Yoshi-P said himself, Square Enix promised to financially back FFXIV until the dev team finally give up.


He did say,

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On the other hand, with FFXIV, operations and development are all funded 100 percent by Square Enix, so as long as we decide to continue backing the project and we don't give up, we can continue to provide things to the players, see what they want, then go back and retry things, redo things. Basically, it comes up to us. We're not at the strings of the investors.


but to be honest it's ********* Of course he's going to say the game has a future even in the face of all the problems that would indicate otherwise. Saying anything else would end all interest in the game overnight, and if there's any hope of getting the game off the ground, you have to keep interest up.

But there's no way there's limitless time or money to be spent here at the developers' discretion. The investors do have a cord, and they will cut it if Yoshida can't turn FFXIV around.
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Kayako wrote:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/12/square_enix_earnings_revision/

So this may be the end of FFXIV. With financial problems and a completely failed launch of FFXIV it would be logical to assume FFXIV will be cut in favor of single player projects they actually make money on.


See I'm having trouble seeing the part where they said they will be cutting 3 projects, also the inference that they haven't already tightened the selection of games coming out. They do make some oddball titles for the Wii and Apple iPhone/iPad store that could have been in the works that they cut as well.

This entire post smacks of massive exaggeration, much like the emails my grandmother sends me spewing gloom and doom or creating wild accusations about what our government is doing. Funny part is that when you click the links to reputable (sometimes not so much) sites that the emails sometimes include, you'll find more realistic or drastically different information. But the original email author does some creative editing or alters figures to incite more fear/panic/outrage/ [insert desired public control here].

Though... perhaps you truly inferred that information from the article and if that happens to be the case, there are quite a few programs out there that can help you with that reading comprehension problem.


I saw the blurb about this mentioned on Kotaku earlier this morning. Its legit. Here's a link to the actual revised earnings release. It mentions project cancellations under section 2.

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If they can weather this crisis,
then perhaps it brings them back on the old Squaresoft track:
Less games of higher quality.

Today, SE is just an over-bloated mega company that produces soulless
remakes and spin-offs faster than players are able to play them.
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WoW came out with Cataclysm, said to be the beginning of the end of the Warcraft world.


[citation needed]

Cataclysm is not and was never supposed to be the end of the world of Azeroth, nor the end of WoW. I don't think that preludes statement was meant to be taken as anything other than speculation about what is coming for FFXIV. The end of Eorzea is a definite possibility and much more realistic than the death of WoW.

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I too believe that SE cannot switch off FFXIV, especially after the very mediocre FFXIII. They are approaching their FFXIV problem in the correct manner with the reshuffle and Yoshi P has already stated the SE is in a unique position within the gaming industry where they don't answer to Investors so they can keep money in the development.


It's obvious that SE isn't quite yet ready to scrap FFXIV. Sinking millions into a project that you're not willing to attempt to save should there be problems is always a bad idea, but sinking more in when you're already hemorrhaging is even worse. I don't know a successful businessman on the planet who wouldn't have decided already that it was a better idea to pack up and move along. There is only one reason keeping them here, but it's propped up on a badly broken leg anyway...

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Final Fantasy LIVES on branding. Final Fantasy has 14 titles because of its brand. It can't possibly name a new game Final Fantasy 15, unless the brand is strong otherwise they should just name it something different, its not like they are sequels anyways.


I agree with you to a point, however, the part about naming the game something different is contradictory. Final Fantasy games are not just popular because they bear the name. While they're not all parts of a related series, usually they all share many similarities.

As an example, if SE held a 'blind taste test' of FF15 along with several other random RPGs before it was released, the majority of testers could probably tell you which was likely to be the next FF title. Conversely, if SE had released FFXIV under a different name, no one would ever know the difference.

Nothing about this game made me feel like I was playing Final Fantasy from alpha testing through release. If Hyuran was the only race available to play, you'd have a hard time convincing someone that this actually was a Final Fantasy title unless they'd walked past the chocobo signage.


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Hate trying to read those financial report things.
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Enfid wrote:
WoW came out with Cataclysm, said to be the beginning of the end of the Warcraft world.


[citation needed]

Cataclysm is not and was never supposed to be the end of the world of Azeroth, nor the end of WoW. I don't think that preludes statement was meant to be taken as anything other than speculation about what is coming for FFXIV. The end of Eorzea is a definite possibility and much more realistic than the death of WoW.


I apologize for the statement, as that was my impression as I have played WoW, but quit before Cataclysm. Doesn't help that Deathwing keeps spouting a plan to destroy everything and all...I think.

However my point still stands, regardless of what ACTUALLY happened in WoW. Planning The-End-Of-The-World-As-We-Know-It(TM) in a game doesn't mean they'll scrap the game. What IF WoW did have an event that preludes the end of Azeroth? Does that mean they'll shut down the servers? Surely, the storyline will make the players go up against the evil, and the next patches will show that events have settle down, but with whatever consequences the developers think of.

My main experience of the Final Fantasy series come from FF7 (I can already hear people calling me an FF noob). In that game, and I think several other Final Fantasy games, the boss plans the end of that world, and the heroes rise up against it and bring peace for all. It seems like a Final Fantasy thing.

Now all that said, I'm not totally REFUTING that there may be a possibility FFXIV will be cancelled or such. I'm just saying that thinking the producers actually make in-game events to hint that they're shutting down the game is, at least to me, simply a preposterous idea.

Oh and as for the [citation needed] tag, here's where I got the impression from, from the main page of the official Cataclysm website:

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Soon, Deathwing the Destroyer will return to Azeroth, and his eruption from Deepholm will sunder the world, leaving a festering wound across the continents. As the Horde and Alliance race to the epicenter of the cataclysm, the kingdoms of Azeroth will witness seismic shifts in power, the kindling of a war of the elements, and the emergence of unlikely heroes who will rise up to protect their scarred and broken world from utter devastation.


It's not the literal destruction of the world, like a planet-shattering kaboom, but a mad and powerful dragon is still trying to destroy everything.

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Good lord, it's like someone cast Chicken Licken on the ZAM forums lol.
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I really don't understand why people think that losing 14 would be damaging to the brand. Your average FF fan, I'm talking about one of the 6 mil who bought FF13, does not care about MMOs. When they hear 'oh hey a new FF game is coming out, oh wait its a MMO, no thanks not for me', and ignore it the same way they probably ignored crystal chronicals, that silly tower defense game on XBL, and that sims thing they put on the wii (sorry for not knowing their names), Because those aren't really part of the 'franchise' that they love.

But on top of that, the game's already got the bad press. It already got about as much press as the gaming community as a whole cared to give it, saying that things went poorly. That will never change unless the game comes back and somehow blows everything else out of the water. shutting down at this point would likely get a 2 paragraph blurb on most gaming sites.
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I really don't understand why people think that losing 14 would be damaging to the brand. Your average FF fan, I'm talking about one of the 6 mil who bought FF13, does not care about MMOs. When they hear 'oh hey a new FF game is coming out, oh wait its a MMO, no thanks not for me', and ignore it the same way they probably ignored crystal chronicals, that silly tower defense game on XBL, and that sims thing they put on the wii (sorry for not knowing their names), Because those aren't really part of the 'franchise' that they love.

But on top of that, the game's already got the bad press. It already got about as much press as the gaming community as a whole cared to give it, saying that things went poorly. That will never change unless the game comes back and somehow blows everything else out of the water. Shutting down at this point would likely get a 2 paragraph blurb on most gaming sites.


Yup. It would barely hit the mass gaming radar. "Oh, I forgot that was even around." or "I thought that closed months ago." etc
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I think most people forget when they first showed FFXIV the crowd got exited till they showed the "online" and you could see the collective sigh. Sorry but killing off FFXIV would not hurt the brand. The average FF fan hate the fact that FFXI and FFXIV are numbered FF's in the first place.

Many would also be glad the SE freed up resources by killing that "piece of sh*t MMO".

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Yeah, I'm one of those Final Fantasy fans who ignored FFXI cuz it was an MMO. TBH, I thought making FFXI an MMO was the death of the series (by some accounts I wasn't wrong, although I enjoyed FFXII quite a bit myself).

FF fans who don't play MMOs won't care if FFXIV dies. FF fans who tried FFXIV and hated it are already soured. At this point, only FF fans who are enjoying FFXIV will be disappointed, and they are a small minority. And if they've stuck with FFXIV this long, they'll buy FFXV anyway. If FFXV is a good game and gets good reviews and evokes that real Final Fantasy feeling, people will buy it.

However, if FFXIV does go down, I personally will be very hesitant to buy into a new MMO from SE. Maybe that's for the best--they should leave MMOs to studios who know how to run servers. As much as I do like FFXIV, I've barely gotten myself to play it in the last week because of how bloody clunky the game runs. I remember UI lag being horrendous during beta, but honestly it's not that much better now. The whole feel of the game, from targeting, to moving, to accessing menu commands, to *shudder* interacting with vendors is just reminiscent of Apple IIe gaming in the era of 5 1/4" floppy discs. I keep expecting to hear the disk drive burring as I wait for a list of items for sale to pop up. It's excruciating in this day and age. They need better server programming, better client programming, and better servers! You need to run the economy database off of a RAM disk!
You can't have server-side hard disk IO between every transaction! That means SE needs to invest in much better hardware, and from the sound of this financial report they don't have the cash to do it. If these are the servers that the PS3 players can expect, there simply can't be a PS3 release.
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SE has several successful f2p MMO's in Asia. And if FFXIV fails I think they'll distance themselves from a paid MMO type project in the future.
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SE has several successful f2p MMO's in Asia. And if FFXIV fails I think they'll distance themselves from a paid MMO type project in the future.

Do their other MMOs suffer from the horrible UI and economy lags? Did FFXI?
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I still stand by my opinion that not having any major changes to the game by E3 will be a critical blow to SE.

It's going to dominate what ever other games they try to talk about. Here's why: XII was an acquired taste; XIII, which only sold so well because it was the first "next-gen" FF, was met by and large with a huge case of buyers remorse; and XIV is limping along on life support.

I think that, in the past decade, SE has about spent it's luck when it comes to fan devotion. Especially after some of the highly questionable things it's done during XI's lifetime.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to give SE yet another $60 benefit of the doubt. Which makes me sad to say as I was a feverish fanboy since the NES days.

That's why XIV is so important, and can't be shut down. If they quit, it'll always be a mark on their history.

It's not really a chicken little sort if thing. SE just isn't the company it used to be. They can use XIV to show they're going to put that soul their old games had.

Still, E32011 is going to be a tough one for SE. With vsXIII still basically only a CG movie what else is there for them to talk about? Deus Ex and Tomb Raider are Eidos games, and SE promised to let them continue to do their own thing. It'll be a really exciting convention season promoting XIII-2 and Birth by Sleep and convincing folks they won't be as much of a let down as the last few games.

tldr: XIV is important because it can be a turning point for the company or more of the same in recent memory.
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While the possibility for FFXIV to be scrapped is still there I don't believe that will be happening any time soon. I don't see any way that this game won't reach it's eventual PS3 release date. In all honesty I believe this game could easily survive with only the JP market backing it. This game is headed in the right direction and I'm sure there will be a HUGE influx of new players when the PS3 version launches. Now those new players may be 75%+ JP players but there will be new players.

If SE was planning on dumping this game I think they would have already done that. Regardless of how you feel about the game you cannot say that SE isn't trying to right their wrongs. I'm not really a SE fan and I can honestly say I can't think of any other game company that would have continued on with a game like FFXIV. I think most companies would have started charging after the initial month and then hoped people stuck around just long enough for them to recoup some of their money.
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I still stand by my opinion that not having any major changes to the game by E3 will be a critical blow to SE.


I doubt they will have anything shown at E3, most likely I think is Tokyo Game Show.
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Let's see... It's all just speculation. I doubt they'll cancel FFXIV just yet.
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What would happen to all of us in this forum if FFXIV was scrapped? Where would we all go to look for news and rant about FFXIV, if there WAS NO FFXIV? We would have to find a new past-time activity.
That would make me sad.
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I bet that investor who sold his stock in SE shortly after the release of XIV is grinning big today.
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What would happen to all of us in this forum if FFXIV was scrapped? Where would we all go to look for news and rant about FFXIV, if there WAS NO FFXIV? We would have to find a new past-time activity.
That would make me sad.


I'd just go on MMO break till TERA hits. I don't log on much these days anyway.
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#35 May 12 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
This is just a poor troll attempt. /lockthread

Edit: Rate me down if you want. Read the article. **** read the original pdf from SE it links to. All it is is a revision of the projected earnings, or whatever. It says nothing about cutting projects. The OP is just trying to troll.

Edit#2: I'll even add the original article with the link to the original pdf:

Square Enix Revises Earnings Forecasts For Major Loss

Losses attributed in part to cancellations as company tightens its selection standards.

Posted on 05.12.2011 at 14:06, by Anoop Gantayat

Square Enix announced revised earnings expectations today. The company says that it will incur a net loss of 12,000 million yen for the previous fiscal year. Its previous forecast from February 3 listed a modest net profit of 1,000 million yen.

The revision is due to extraordinary losses, in part from a "tightened selection standard" for games. This will result in 4.5 billion yen in losses related to development cancellations. A press release announcing the revision did not share specifics beyond this.

The company will also incur a "loss on disaster" of approximately 0.6 billion yen related to the Tohoku earthquake. This is for closures and restoration of amusement facilities.

As these are all extraordinary losses, revisions to the company's forecasts for its other areas weren't as extreme. Sales forecasts are down from the original 130,000 million yen to 125,000 yen. Operating income expectations are down from the forecast 8,000 million yen to 7,300 million yen.

You can read Square Enix's full revision statement here (English, PDF).


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Oh and FYI in case it hasnt been mentioned 12,000,000,000 Yen is 148,511,112.59 USD at the moment.

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#36 May 12 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Planning The-End-Of-The-World-As-We-Know-It(TM) in a game doesn't mean they'll scrap the game. What IF WoW did have an event that preludes the end of Azeroth? Does that mean they'll shut down the servers? Surely, the storyline will make the players go up against the evil, and the next patches will show that events have settle down, but with whatever consequences the developers think of.


Good point, but this actually highlights the problem with FFXIV.

With pretty much any fantasy MMO there is a villain or some force of destruction that you battle through the content of that expansion to defeat. It gives you a reason to login. You feel like you have a purpose for training so hard on those evil worms and bunnies. Eventually you move on to scores of minions and henchmen and the boss and the story is completed. You feel accomplished for grinding out those levels and crafting the armor and blades that your fellow adventurers used along side you in victory. This is what is completely lacking from FFXIV. I don't feel like there is any purpose. No rhyme to reason. Why the **** am I here? /shrug

I'll agree that this event probably doesn't mean "Hey guys, we're shutting down the servers" but I think you misunderstood it. Irony? Foreshadowing? Who's to say for sure, but it's obvious that the tough times in Eorzea are closely related to what is going on at SE headquarters right now.

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While the possibility for FFXIV to be scrapped is still there I don't believe that will be happening any time soon. I don't see any way that this game won't reach it's eventual PS3 release date.


The PS3 version of FFXIV was originally slated for March 2011 release. That was two months ago and to this poing there is no release date announced for PS3. Going on 8 months since PC release and not even a tentative date for PS3. Did I mention there is no release date for PS3? Speaking of PS3, is PSN even back online and functional yet? No? Somehow you're going to tell me that it's a good thing right? I'm sure the millions of customers who have had their personal information compromised are already lined up for the release of FFXIV on the PSN... well at least the half of them who haven't already traded their PS3 in for an xbox =/


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Good point, but this actually highlights the problem with FFXIV.

With pretty much any fantasy MMO there is a villain or some force of destruction that you battle through the content of that expansion to defeat. It gives you a reason to login. You feel like you have a purpose for training so hard on those evil worms and bunnies. Eventually you move on to scores of minions and henchmen and the boss and the story is completed. You feel accomplished for grinding out those levels and crafting the armor and blades that your fellow adventurers used along side you in victory. This is what is completely lacking from FFXIV. I don't feel like there is any purpose. No rhyme to reason. Why the **** am I here? /shrug


Definitely an odd way to start a game out. It's explained by the Eorzea we've been playing in since release being in an "Age of Calm" before the impending storm. Now we're slowly seeing events building towards the world changing into a less peaceful, more interesting one.

Makes people wonder why not just start with a more interesting game and skip the peaceful era? Despite all the other issues, a world at war with some interesting content might've kept a few more people around rather than this world at peace stuff. Could be it was done that way because the game was rushed. A way to explain the uninteresting world & content through the lore itself -shrugs-

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WoW came out with Cataclysm, said to be the beginning of the end of the Warcraft world. Does that mean they'll shut down the servers? Don't answer me with "Well they have 11.5 million subscribers." Your point is, to reiterate, 'The game shows the end of the world, ergo they'll end the game and shut down the servers.'


I don't know, not having received one single sub since release and them runing the game at a total loss when the entire company is not doing well hardly shows this "event" in a happy light. It's possible it's simply a cool new event but the timing and tone is quite foreboding. End of the world event in a failed, almost dead game?

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#39 May 12 2011 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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stop making crap games

good way to make more money



Said the Physical lvl 50, rank 50 archer, 50 lancer, 50 pugilist, 49 gladiator, 40 marauder, 39 weaver, 37 armorer, 37 blacksmith lol...
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Said the Physical lvl 50, rank 50 archer, 50 lancer, 50 pugilist, 49 gladiator, 40 marauder, 39 weaver, 37 armorer, 37 blacksmith lol...

Perhaps he meant they should stop making games like Nier, Resonance of Fate, Last Remnant, FF13, Chaos Rings, 3rd birthday... (Even though Resonance of Fate has nothing to do with Square-Enyx.)

(Mind you, I own most of those on that list...)

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#41 May 12 2011 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I still stand by my opinion that not having any major changes to the game by E3 will be a critical blow to SE.

Still, E32011 is going to be a tough one for SE. With vsXIII still basically only a CG movie what else is there for them to talk about? Deus Ex and Tomb Raider are Eidos games, and SE promised to let them continue to do their own thing. It'll be a really exciting convention season promoting XIII-2 and Birth by Sleep and convincing folks they won't be as much of a let down as the last few games.

tldr: XIV is important because it can be a turning point for the company or more of the same in recent memory.


Here are my extremely hopeful predictions for Squenix @ E3 this year:

No FFXIV. No mention at all. If it does get mentioned, it'll be something to the effect of "We're working on bringing it up to speed, please keep watching it." They can't afford to say anything about this until they're ready to announce the PS3 release.

The focus will be on Type 0, XIII-2, and a possibility for a huge vs. XIII reveal/debut. Type 0 is going to be released this Summer in Japan and looks excellent, but they'll need to have something for the major consoles and not just PSP, so they'll be showing more from XIII-2 since it's due out this Winter. I'd expect at least a trailer, and at most, a playable demo for that since they need to get the hype train moving. As for vs. XIII...

This year gives Squenix the opportunity to unveil vs. XIII in all its glory. They've had a crap year, and being able to unveil their next flagship game will give them a huge boost. We've already seen gameplay in the latest trailer back in January, so I don't see any reason why they should hold back now. They've had almost 6 months to get things tight for E3, and now would be a perfect time for them to really show what they've got.

Another possibility would be for a new KH game announcement, but I get the feeling Nomura will probably stick with vs. XIII for a bit.

This is all just my speculation, but if Squenix really wants to come back, this is what they'll need to do IMHO.
#42 May 12 2011 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Two kinds of posters here:

1) The catastrophizer:
The world is ENDING!! FFXIV getting shut down!!!!

2) The "Head in the Sand-er"
They would NEVER dare to shut down FFXIV!! Their reputation would be ruined!!

To be honest, its all up to the money.. if you blindly believe that they will fund this sinking ship of a game... I feel bad for you...

I'm betting that they will eventually make people pay for their subs sometime in June following the update... and depending on their profits, will make a decision on what to do with FFXIV!

Personally, I think that will be the death of the game since it wont survive with its 1000 subs... but thats just me!!
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#43 May 12 2011 at 2:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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This year gives Squenix the opportunity to unveil vs. XIII in all its glory. They've had a crap year, and being able to unveil their next flagship game will give them a huge boost. We've already seen gameplay in the latest trailer back in January, so I don't see any reason why they should hold back now. They've had almost 6 months to get things tight for E3, and now would be a perfect time for them to really show what they've got.



I'll have to dig for the interview a little later but I'm quite certain right around when XIII-2 was announced they said vsXIII was on the back burner in favor of other projects and not to expect anything till 2012 at the earliest.
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quilens wrote:
stop making crap games

good way to make more money



Also stop publishing games when they're still not ready for gold release. Seriously they need to stick the game back into the oven for 2 more years. It doesn't matter how much they salt & pepper with minor look/feel patches, it's still only half cooked.
#45 May 12 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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How about they just stop making such expensive games?

Seriously, Minecraft is better than anything SE has done in years and one dude made it on no budget. Are HD graphics just killing development studios?

I think anyone here can run Portal 2 at max settings with a blazing fast framerate and it looks great and it's a blast to play.
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I think the OP is talking or posting out of his ***. no mention of 3 projects being closed down and as others have already said it the worst possible spin on what is at the end of the day a financial report.

That being said though I am starting to feel that the game might be getting the axe at somepoint soon. With the PS3 release already missed by many months and no indication of SE making a release announcement any time soon. I don't think SE can afford to run a completely free MMO for too much longer.

Question for you all though, if SE were to release the next big patch they have been hinting at and then announced they were done bring the game up to Monthly fee charging standards how many of you would agree and stick with the game and who would cancel their sub immediately?

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This year gives Squenix the opportunity to unveil vs. XIII in all its glory. They've had a crap year, and being able to unveil their next flagship game will give them a huge boost. We've already seen gameplay in the latest trailer back in January, so I don't see any reason why they should hold back now. They've had almost 6 months to get things tight for E3, and now would be a perfect time for them to really show what they've got.



I'll have to dig for the interview a little later but I'm quite certain right around when XIII-2 was announced they said vsXIII was on the back burner in favor of other projects and not to expect anything till 2012 at the earliest.


Here's I think what you're referring to:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/25/ff_versus_xiii_update/

This article (which is a translated Dengeki article) and another article from Famitsu both say that Nomura mentions the next time we'll see vs. XIII will be at E3. If they're aiming for a 2012 release, it would be logical for a large reveal this year.
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Hmm as long as they can keep me busy by keeping the servers open till the Star Wars MMO or Guild Wars ill be content. Although i must say it would be rather sad. Played XI for 7 years or so and now just got back into XIV.
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Seriously, Minecraft is better than anything SE has done in years and one dude made it on no budget. Are HD graphics just killing development studios?

Yes, yes they are. Teams of 200 employees, working for 2 years on a game that ends out being a financial disappointment because it only sold 4-5 million copies. I remember when videogames would be a blockbuster if it sold 100,000 copies. *sigh*. I miss the older, more simpler times.

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I think anyone here can run Portal 2 at max settings with a blazing fast framerate and it looks great and it's a blast to play.

Reminds me of the movie "Cube" and the fact is has about the same budget as a bubblegum dispenser.
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Rinsui wrote:
If they can weather this crisis,
then perhaps it brings them back on the old Squaresoft track:
Less games of higher quality.

Today, SE is just an over-bloated mega company that produces soulless
remakes and spin-offs faster than players are able to play them.

You have it backwards, friend. Developers stick to their guns during a crisis, producing only what a market analyst tells them will turn a profit. This means even more rehashes and remakes of familiar IPs, or casual renditions of those IPs to "open up to a broader audience." New franchises, or unpopular franchises, are high-risk.

You will never see a Squaresoft like in the summer of 2000.

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Said the Physical lvl 50, rank 50 archer, 50 lancer, 50 pugilist, 49 gladiator, 40 marauder, 39 weaver, 37 armorer, 37 blacksmith lol...

Perhaps he meant they should stop making games like Nier, Resonance of Fate, Last Remnant, FF13, Chaos Rings, 3rd birthday...

Resonance of Fate was developed by Tri-Ace and published by Sega. Interestingly, it is the only Tri-Ace game not published by Enix or Square-Enix.

I am under the impression you never played RoF, don't like a high opening difficulty in your RPGs, or you played the game for the main plot--something you should never, ever do with a Tri-Ace game.

If you want me to tell you why RoF is both better than FFXIII and the last good JRPG for all time (Demon's Souls/Dark Souls transcends the genres of mere mortals. Suck it.) feel free to message me privately, or make a new non-FFXIV thread.
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Resonance of Fate was developed by Tri-Ace and published by Sega. Interestingly, it is the only Tri-Ace game not published by Enix or Square-Enix.

I am under the impression you never played RoF, don't like a high opening difficulty in your RPGs, or you played the game for the main plot--something you should never, ever do with a Tri-Ace game.

If you want me to tell you why RoF is both better than FFXIII and the last good JRPG for all time (Demon's Souls/Dark Souls transcends the genres of mere mortals. Suck it.) feel free to message me privately, or make a new non-FFXIV thread.

I didn't know that it wasn't a square published game, actually, thanks for pointing that out. I did know it was a Tri-Ace game (which is usually enough to put it on my want list as I have almost all of their games.) This one is actually one of the few I didn't buy, but that's because I'm getting old and becoming more picky in what games I buy (I play too many MMOs...!) -- which is odd, since now that I have a good job and the money to buy whatever game I want, I actually don't buy as many as I used to when I was a student or between jobs :P

The reason I put it on the list is not because I find the game hard or anything, it's because I know there are no shortage of haters for it -- I was just basically listing games that many consider to be bad games, and therefore games that Square should no longer develop or produce. As I said, I do own most of those (RoF and Parasite Eve:3rd birthday are the ones I don't -- I don't have a PSP, so no PE and no Dissidia for me!)

My post wasn't supposed to reflect my own opinion of any of those games, just the guy I was quoting. Or rather, the guy who was referred to by the guy I quoted. (For example, I used to think Nier sucked really bad, and giving it a few more chances actually made me warm up to it.. It's a bit of an acquired taste.)

TL;DR. version
-Guy A said "Square should stop making ****** game".
-Guy B said "Lol, you're like rank50 in so many classes!" (Therefore Guy B insinuates that Guy A thinks FFXIV is ******)
-I said "Maybe he means _XX_ game is ******?" (Therefore trying to point out to Guy B that he might have put foot in his mouth because perhaps Guy A does like FF14 and hates some other lesser known Square titles)

Back to you:
That being said, I'll keep your words in mind, and I did laugh after seeing one (rather infamous) RoF cutscene on youtube, and I've had close friends both flame and recommend the game to me. Let's just add 1 person to the "RoF doesn't suck, it actually rocks!" list.
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