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#52 May 12 2011 at 4:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Question for you all though, if SE were to release the next big patch they have been hinting at and then announced they were done bring the game up to Monthly fee charging standards how many of you would agree and stick with the game and who would cancel their sub immediately?


I'm moody and change my mind often, but as of now I'm not making plans to pay monthly fees. There's so much that needs to be done that I doubt 1 patch(even a truly amazing one) could get it into 'acceptable to charge fees' range. There are people who would already pay for it & others who just need to see a few more quality patches though. Perhaps others wouldn't consider the game ready, but have grown attached to their characters, linkshells, and the progress they've made enough to stick around?

It's definitely the freeplay and being part of a game with an uncertain future(for some reason that's attractive) that keeps me around.

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#53 May 12 2011 at 5:15 PM Rating: Default
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This is just a poor troll attempt. /lockthread

Edit: Rate me down if you want. Read the article. **** read the original pdf from SE it links to. All it is is a revision of the projected earnings, or whatever. It says nothing about cutting projects. The OP is just trying to troll.

Edit#2: I'll even add the original article with the link to the original pdf:

Square Enix Revises Earnings Forecasts For Major Loss

Losses attributed in part to cancellations as company tightens its selection standards.

Posted on 05.12.2011 at 14:06, by Anoop Gantayat

Square Enix announced revised earnings expectations today. The company says that it will incur a net loss of 12,000 million yen for the previous fiscal year. Its previous forecast from February 3 listed a modest net profit of 1,000 million yen.

The revision is due to extraordinary losses, in part from a "tightened selection standard" for games. This will result in 4.5 billion yen in losses related to development cancellations. A press release announcing the revision did not share specifics beyond this.

The company will also incur a "loss on disaster" of approximately 0.6 billion yen related to the Tohoku earthquake. This is for closures and restoration of amusement facilities.

As these are all extraordinary losses, revisions to the company's forecasts for its other areas weren't as extreme. Sales forecasts are down from the original 130,000 million yen to 125,000 yen. Operating income expectations are down from the forecast 8,000 million yen to 7,300 million yen.

You can read Square Enix's full revision statement here (English, PDF).


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Oh and FYI in case it hasnt been mentioned 12,000,000,000 Yen is 148,511,112.59 USD at the moment.

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#54 May 12 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!
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To everyone on the PS3 rah rah train: I'm really curious why you think that PS3 is going to be the defining moment of the future of FFXIV...?

To reiterate the facts, we're two months past the initially planned launch for the console. There is no announcement in sight, nor any hint that any announcement will become available any time soon about it. NA and EU players preferred PC to console at a ratio of 2:1 at least for FFXI. The scores of pages of 'pimp my PC' threads both here and on pretty much every other FFXIV fansite forum makes me think this ratio has swayed even more toward the PC side. PSN issues are pretty much the cherry on top of the fail sundae.

You guys should make a macro for it:
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#56 May 12 2011 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
development cancellations does not necessarily mean a project has been cut (as in scrapped completely) it just means that further development has been cancelled (for now) it is unlikely that the progress made so far will be scrapped, just most likely put on hold until a future date in which they have recouped enough of their losses to pick anything put on hold back up.

Obviously FFXIV is still under development, and therefore not effected by this statement. (Which is quite obvious to anyone with half a brain.) As such, the OP is either a) trolling or b) ignorant to the facts. Either way this is one more useless thread about doom and gloom.

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#57 May 12 2011 at 11:04 PM Rating: Excellent
While I personally believe SE won't decide FFXIV's fate until after the PS3 launch, I also believe this kind of news definitely affects the future of this game. If SE continues losing money at this pace, eventually the company might start thinking about better ways to stop the bleeding in the near future. At that point, my mind goes back to the issue I raised in a recent editorial... would the company be financially better off gambling on FFXIV or trying to take FFXI to the next level? And by that, I mean dropping PS2 support for future content and resuming development on full-scale expansions/new continents/etc?

I really hope FFXIV makes it. This is a beautiful game with boat loads of potential. And I really feel the game has been improved tremendously since it came out. If the game bombs on the PS3 though, then how long can SE pump development cash into this project, rather than divert those resources to something with more profit potential?

This is why I believe these financial issues matter.
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#58 May 13 2011 at 7:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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This year gives Squenix the opportunity to unveil vs. XIII in all its glory. They've had a crap year, and being able to unveil their next flagship game will give them a huge boost. We've already seen gameplay in the latest trailer back in January, so I don't see any reason why they should hold back now. They've had almost 6 months to get things tight for E3, and now would be a perfect time for them to really show what they've got.



I'll have to dig for the interview a little later but I'm quite certain right around when XIII-2 was announced they said vsXIII was on the back burner in favor of other projects and not to expect anything till 2012 at the earliest.


XIII-2 is slated for "2011 (JP), This Winter (NA, EU)" according to this pdf and has no mention of vs but says it for previously announced titles so may not mean much. It also has the information being tossed around in a (IMO) friendlier format.

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#59 May 13 2011 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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While I personally believe SE won't decide FFXIV's fate until after the PS3 launch, I also believe this kind of news definitely affects the future of this game. If SE continues losing money at this pace, eventually the company might start thinking about better ways to stop the bleeding in the near future. At that point, my mind goes back to the issue I raised in a recent editorial... would the company be financially better off gambling on FFXIV or trying to take FFXI to the next level? And by that, I mean dropping PS2 support for future content and resuming development on full-scale expansions/new continents/etc?

I really hope FFXIV makes it. This is a beautiful game with boat loads of potential. And I really feel the game has been improved tremendously since it came out. If the game bombs on the PS3 though, then how long can SE pump development cash into this project, rather than divert those resources to something with more profit potential?

This is why I believe these financial issues matter.


Dropping PS2 support won't help at all. There's no one out there going, "Gee, me and my million friends would gladly play FFXI if only they rid themselves of its PS2 limitations." The only people who might like that are already playing the game in spite of the limitations. Meanwhile, a fair chunk of Japanese players are still on PS2 or at least a PS3's emulation of a PS2. There's no way they'd turn their back on them when they need their business so badly.

It's a mature MMO. There will never be an influx of brand new players for FFXI unless it goes F2P someday.

So there is no "Next Level" for FFXI. Unless you want to count FFXIV.
#60 May 13 2011 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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The thing with FFXIV is that only a massive overhaul has any hope of making it a game that the masses will actually want to play and this would be something that would be needed before any attempt could be made at a PS3 release. Such an overhaul would cost a significant amount of cash, something which SE do not have as the financial reports show.

Any good businessman will tell you that if a product is losing money, and you need to cut those losses as quick as possible, you need to make cuts at the most effective point - like an MMO that is bringing in no money and costing thousands upon thousands to keep running. If Tomb Raider 25 sits on the shelf and sells poorly, you've lost your initial development/production costs but you can halt production of any more copies and try and cut your losses. You don't then have to continue throwing money at it.

To suggest that keeping a loss-making MMO alive shows some sort of integrity, is frankly ludicrous. It takes a bigger man to stand up and admit they were wrong than one who clings to the non-existant hope that a miracle will occur and save him.

Edit: I'm sorry that I misspelt a word. But seriously, is this all FFXIV fanboys have left now as a counter-argument?

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#61 May 13 2011 at 8:03 AM Rating: Default
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The thing with FFXIV is that only a massive overhawl has any hope of making it a game that the masses will actually want to play and this would be something that would be needed before any attempt could be made at a PS3 release. Such an overhawl would cost a significant amount of cash, something which SE do not have as the financial reports show.

Any good businessman will tell you that if a product is losing money, and you need to cut those losses as quick as possible, you need to make cuts at the most effective point - like an MMO that is bringing in no money and costing thousands upon thousands to keep running. If Tomb Raider 25 sits on the shelf and sells poorly, you've lost your initial development/production costs but you can halt production of any more copies and try and cut your losses. You don't then have to continue throwing money at it.

To suggest that keeping a loss-making MMO alive shows some sort of integrity, is frankly ludicrous. It takes a bigger man to stand up and admit they were wrong than one who clings to the non-existant hope that a miracle will occur and save him.



Edited, May 13th 2011 9:51am by Miitan


I question the logic of a man who uses the word "overhawl"

They've made some strides in improving the game thus far, no it's not at a rate the seething, temper-tantrum throwing masses are happy with, but why even post it on their report if they don't plan on supporting their own game bearing the flagship title brand. I'm glad you forum back-seat accountants have such startling insight into the world of business accounting, what would we do without your expert analysisSmiley: waycool
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#62 May 13 2011 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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...what a ridiculous and childish blow below the belt.
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I question the logic of a man who uses the word "overhawl"

go me go me go me go me


I'm sorry, you said something?

I couldn't hear you over the stupidity of trying to discredit someone's point simply because of a misspelled word.
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Miitan wrote:
The thing with FFXIV is that only a massive overhawl has any hope of making it a game that the masses will actually want to play and this would be something that would be needed before any attempt could be made at a PS3 release. Such an overhawl would cost a significant amount of cash, something which SE do not have as the financial reports show.

Any good businessman will tell you that if a product is losing money, and you need to cut those losses as quick as possible, you need to make cuts at the most effective point - like an MMO that is bringing in no money and costing thousands upon thousands to keep running. If Tomb Raider 25 sits on the shelf and sells poorly, you've lost your initial development/production costs but you can halt production of any more copies and try and cut your losses. You don't then have to continue throwing money at it.

To suggest that keeping a loss-making MMO alive shows some sort of integrity, is frankly ludicrous. It takes a bigger man to stand up and admit they were wrong than one who clings to the non-existant hope that a miracle will occur and save him.


I question the logic of a man who uses the word "overhawl"

They've made some strides in improving the game thus far, no it's not at a rate the seething, temper-tantrum throwing masses are happy with, but why even post it on their report if they don't plan on supporting their own game bearing the flagship title brand. I'm glad you forum back-seat accountants have such startling insight into the world of business accounting, what would we do without your expert analysisSmiley: waycool


I've still yet to see any refutation of my point.

Edit: Previous reply was a bit too childish.

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#65 May 13 2011 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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...what a ridiculous and childish blow below the belt.


I would have overlooked it if he hadn't done it twice in a row. However that is besides the point, evidence has been presented that they are doing their damnedest to turn this thing around where many, many people before have said it was canceled, will be canceled, or is about to be canceled and they just don't know when to tell us. Yet here they are still working on and being unbelievably positive about it in the face of the largest gathering of vitriolic trolling and bashing that anyone could endure.

I'm not some blind fanboy who thinks they can do no wrong, but if they want to stick this out I'm willing to give them some time to see this to fruition. It would take far less money to fix this game than to start over and develop another from scratch which many were quick to point out they don't exactly have a ton of laying around at the moment. The more people that jump on the gloom and doom train going around this and the other FFXIV forums the greater chance the prophecy will come true and I'd prefer that did not happen.
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This news has hit Slashdot.

Yeah, I know, the cool kids don't go to Slashdot any more, but it still gets a lot more posts from industry insiders and tech veterans than I see on any other sites.
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Revenue from a MMO is nothing like a offline game. Revenue on MMOs come from subescriptions and as such if they can spend thousands of Yen to atract thousands of players to keep them playing for couple years they are gonna get that money back easy enough and should be able to recoup the initial investment on top of that as well.

I don't really know the cost of keepinf a certain number of game servers running but I don't think it will be that much, most of their money being spent on FFXIV is on wages. Of course they could have those people working on another project but I think that since they have the staff they might as well keep them working on the project that they have experience in.

A good revamp of the game alongh with a well publicised PS3 release and they can start charging monthly subescriptions. This can bring a lot of money in. People used to say that XI was a bust because the small number of people playing it but if you look at the length of time the game as been running you can easilly imagine that even with a small population a MMO can still turn a profit. I predict the same will happen to XIV.
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...what a ridiculous and childish blow below the belt.


I would have overlooked it if he hadn't done it twice in a row. However that is besides the point, evidence has been presented that they are doing their damnedest to turn this thing around where many, many people before have said it was canceled, will be canceled, or is about to be canceled and they just don't know when to tell us. Yet here they are still working on and being unbelievably positive about it in the face of the largest gathering of vitriolic trolling and bashing that anyone could endure.

I'm not some blind fanboy who thinks they can do no wrong, but if they want to stick this out I'm willing to give them some time to see this to fruition. It would take far less money to fix this game than to start over and develop another from scratch which many were quick to point out they don't exactly have a ton of laying around at the moment. The more people that jump on the gloom and doom train going around this and the other FFXIV forums the greater chance the prophecy will come true and I'd prefer that did not happen.


Yeah I don't buy this. I don't care how much doom and gloom people crap on a game on the forums, if its a good game, people will play it. In fact I think the only reason people aren't playing is because its a bad game.
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Does the "$148 million in losses for the closing fiscal year" mean that they are $148 million in the hole, $148 million less than last year, $148 million less than expected, what?
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Yeah I don't buy this. I don't care how much doom and gloom people crap on a game on the forums, if its a good game, people will play it. In fact I think the only reason people aren't playing is because its a bad game.


Yep. You can't badmouth a good game to death. Otherwise WoW would have been dead looooong ago. Remember this:?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmy7Ze18NY

When I first saw it last September, I laughed.
I stopped laughing a long time ago.

And if "the damnest they can do" is to add a bit of polish in 6 months, then perhaps they don't deserve success.
Just take a look at the recent updates to FFXI (the same company!). Those are real updates. It's more content and changes and adjustments and additions than FFXIV has ever had to begin with.

P.S.: No, I never played WoW. I think it looks childish. But that's beside the point.
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How about they just stop making such expensive games? ... I think anyone here can run Portal 2 at max settings with a blazing fast framerate and it looks great and it's a blast to play.


I love Portal, but you do have to consider that it's also about ten hours long, features only one human model, and only has three voice actors... great games can be made on a budget, yes, but some games - like Oblivion, for example - do need larger ones. Low budget is fine for pixel-building and puzzlers, but open worlds and/or cutscenes sometimes need more. Also, Portal 2 had a dev. team of at least 40 people, and the game itself was finally selling for ~$60; I don't think it was an inexpensive game, honestly. XD
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great games can be made on a budget, yes, but some games - like Oblivion, for example - do need larger ones.


True enough. What disturbs me, though, is that I don't think XIVs budget and development time was so much less than Oblivions. Or am I wrong?
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I love Portal, but you do have to consider that it's also about ten hours long, features only one human model, and only has three voice actors... great games can be made on a budget, yes, but some games - like Oblivion, for example - do need larger ones. Low budget is fine for pixel-building and puzzlers, but open worlds and/or cutscenes sometimes need more. Also, Portal 2 had a dev. team of at least 40 people, and the game itself was finally selling for ~$60; I don't think it was an inexpensive game, honestly. XD

I was really just referring to the level of graphics in the engine in referencing Portal 2--it's a game that runs well on mid-range PCs and consoles and, IMHO, looks nice. That's something Valve strives for: I was playing all of The Orange Box games and Left 4 Dead on a bleeding Pentium 4 as recently as last year, and they looked fantastic. To me, that's good development practice.

You don't have to scale down graphics so any netbook can handle them, but I suspect SE's ambitious visual design not only alienated much of the MMO playerbase (MMOs aren't shooters, and MMO players, many of whom are women, don't always have hardcore gamer gear), but probably hampered game development. It's trite, but the adage "You really only notice nice graphics for the first 15 minutes of game play" is probably apropos here. The peril of working at the bleeding edge of graphics in MMO gaming is that while pretty screenshots help sell boxes, they don't help keep subscriptions. Only good game play and good communities can do that, and the time spent dealing with the issues that inevitably come with pushing the graphical envelope could be better spent on making a game that keeps people subscribing.

Side note--I don't think this will help SE, either.
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Side note--I don't think this will help SE, either.


Those (possibly) stolen resumes and e-mail addresses sure are a huge problem... as the article said, "there was also the potential for huge embarrassment!" - embarrassment - and the awkwardness could be through the roof! It also tells us that "there is a danger that gamers could be e-mailed by someone pretending to be from the company" which, well, is really no different from the spam people get from, say, B1izzard.com...

Of course, the situation gets really dire when we find out that "resumes are a blueprint for identity theft. They have everything that scammers want... [except for] credit card information." Egads! You mean to tell me that the only thing preventing my credit card information from being stolen is access to my credit card information - well they're already halfway there already! >_>

In conclusion, that article does a great job of supplying us with accurate, non-exaggerated information, and it does so while clearly being targeted at people who know all of the "ins and outs" of internet usage and identity theft. They only explain the hard-to-get abbreviations, such as when "The same person then added the comment, 'lol [laugh out loud]'." So that's what lol means! d(^_~)
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True enough. What disturbs me, though, is that I don't think XIVs budget and development time was so much less than Oblivions. Or am I wrong?


I'm not sure; how much Chinese outsourcing was there in Oblivion? :P
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Does the "$148 million in losses for the closing fiscal year" mean that they are $148 million in the hole, $148 million less than last year, $148 million less than expected, what?


Losses means net loss, as in after what they spent and made, they had 148 million less than they started with. That is unless it was translated poorly.
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If they're gonna do anything to FFXIV, I think at most they would shut down the servers, work on it some more, then open them back up when the PS3 version is released.

Edited, May 12th 2011 3:27am by TerraSonicX


What would be gained by shutting down the servers and working on it?
They would save some short-term money on server costs and customer support. But long-term they would have more to lose: They would no longer have a large player-base to evaluate and verify the stability of their updates and changes. More importantly they would kill what is left of their potential PC subscriber base. A move like this would also tarnish the reputation of the PS3 release.
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Not sure if this was mentioned:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/13/square_enix_more_ips/

One of their slides mentions "Revitalizing our major MMO titles". It interests me that (aside from the fact theyre obviously not cancelling FFXIV), they use plural. I wonder if there are any 'revitalization' plans for FFXI too, not that they haven't radically changed the game quite a lot recently.
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TerraSonicX wrote:
If they're gonna do anything to FFXIV, I think at most they would shut down the servers, work on it some more, then open them back up when the PS3 version is released.

Edited, May 12th 2011 3:27am by TerraSonicX


What would be gained by shutting down the servers and working on it?
They would save some short-term money on server costs and customer support. But long-term they would have more to lose: They would no longer have a large player-base to evaluate and verify the stability of their updates and changes. More importantly they would kill what is left of their potential PC subscriber base. A move like this would also tarnish the reputation of the PS3 release.


The only problem with your reasoning is that you're assuming there's a large playerbase to evaluate the game. There isn't.
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Said the Physical lvl 50, rank 50 archer, 50 lancer, 50 pugilist, 49 gladiator, 40 marauder, 39 weaver, 37 armorer, 37 blacksmith lol...

Perhaps he meant they should stop making games like Nier, Resonance of Fate, Last Remnant, FF13, Chaos Rings, 3rd birthday... (Even though Resonance of Fate has nothing to do with Square-Enyx.)

(Mind you, I own most of those on that list...)

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Believe it or not, FFXIII was a financial success for SE, even with the PS3 glitches included. I don't know how reliant the margin of success depended on the 360 release though.
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So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!


You need to uninstall to read? To wait? o_O
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So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!


You need to uninstall to read? To wait? o_O

To enjoy "other fantastic games" I suspect. FXIV is pretty big, especially if you're running off of SSD.
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HardHotThrobbingAetherite wrote:
So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!


You need to uninstall to read? To wait? o_O

To enjoy "other fantastic games" I suspect. FXIV is pretty big, especially if you're running off of SSD.


I suppose... but even with some 7 or 8 games installed and the entire collection of the BBC Shakespeare and all of Bach's and Chopin's music (about 4000 tracks), I still have only used half of my (by today's standards) rather small 500G HD!

To be fair, I haven't assembled a collection of 3D-compatible pornography, so maybe that accounts for the free space.
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#84 May 14 2011 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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yfaithfully wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
HardHotThrobbingAetherite wrote:
So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!


You need to uninstall to read? To wait? o_O

To enjoy "other fantastic games" I suspect. FXIV is pretty big, especially if you're running off of SSD.


It seems many are continuing to play FFXIV simply because they hope it may someday become a worthwhile game. It wasn't until the game was uninstalled that I actually overcame the psychological barrier of irrational hope and moved on to better things. I'd probably still be wasting time trying force myself to enjoy this game if it was readily accessible.
#85 May 14 2011 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
HardHotThrobbingAetherite wrote:
So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!


You need to uninstall to read? To wait? o_O

To enjoy "other fantastic games" I suspect. FXIV is pretty big, especially if you're running off of SSD.


I suppose... but even with some 7 or 8 games installed and the entire collection of the BBC Shakespeare and all of Bach's and Chopin's music (about 4000 tracks), I still have only used half of my (by today's standards) rather small 500G HD!

To be fair, I haven't assembled a collection of 3D-compatible pornography, so maybe that accounts for the free space.


The 3D-compatible **** was a joke... I got defaulted because too many people looked it up and were subsequently infuriated that it's not a fully-supported feature yet, didn't I? (| I'm sorry. |)
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#86 May 14 2011 at 6:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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KaneKitty wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
HardHotThrobbingAetherite wrote:
So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!


You need to uninstall to read? To wait? o_O

To enjoy "other fantastic games" I suspect. FXIV is pretty big, especially if you're running off of SSD.


I suppose... but even with some 7 or 8 games installed and the entire collection of the BBC Shakespeare and all of Bach's and Chopin's music (about 4000 tracks), I still have only used half of my (by today's standards) rather small 500G HD!

To be fair, I haven't assembled a collection of 3D-compatible pornography, so maybe that accounts for the free space.

If it were a SSD, I doubt it would be a 500GB drive. That size runs between $1,500-$2,000 right now. Some may have spent that much on a hard drive alone but that's more than a number of people paid for their whole computer.
#87 May 14 2011 at 6:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Believe it or not, FFXIII was a financial success for SE, even with the PS3 glitches included. I don't know how reliant the margin of success depended on the 360 release though.

Once again, this list has nothing to do with my opinion of the games, just the fact that people commonly hate on 'em.

As far as I know, FF13 sold like hot cakes (or bread, if you're french). That doesn't mean people loved it, though.

What I keep telling my producers is that sales comes from marketing and brand awareness. Fans comes from making quality products. No matter how good a designer someone is, making a quality game that nobody hears about won't give you sales, and marketing a crappy game (Boogie, for example) will kill any chance for the sequel to have sales (Boogie Superstar)
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#88 May 15 2011 at 2:42 AM Rating: Good
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HardHotThrobbingAetherite wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
HardHotThrobbingAetherite wrote:
So glad I uninstalled and am enjoying other fantastic games and my new summer reading projects. I hope they get things straightened out for the PS3 release, but either way I lose nothing.

Uninstall until PS3 or bust!


You need to uninstall to read? To wait? o_O

To enjoy "other fantastic games" I suspect. FXIV is pretty big, especially if you're running off of SSD.


It seems many are continuing to play FFXIV simply because they hope it may someday become a worthwhile game. It wasn't until the game was uninstalled that I actually overcame the psychological barrier of irrational hope and moved on to better things. I'd probably still be wasting time trying force myself to enjoy this game if it was readily accessible.


Its not really irrational hope. The XI lead battle director is on XIV now, and info on the new battle system is supposed to hit this week. Not to mention they've already stated that they dont want to add anything substantial to the game content wise until people can enjoy a well thought out battle system.

Also the PS3 version is still coming since we've had a couple rep comments stating they are working on optimizing the engine for better PC performance along side the PS3 version.
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Its not really irrational hope. The XI lead battle director is on XIV now, and info on the new battle system is supposed to hit this week. Not to mention they've already stated that they dont want to add anything substantial to the game content wise until people can enjoy a well thought out battle system.

Also the PS3 version is still coming since we've had a couple rep comments stating they are working on optimizing the engine for better PC performance along side the PS3 version.


I think it's pretty irrational. It's a possibility that SE will overcome the horrible launch and the stigma that followed it and bring out a successful game, but that is the least likely situation.

I'm still waiting for someone; anyone who has mentioned the PS3 release to come forth with a good reason to believe that is going to make an impact. We know that there is no release date. We know that it was not just postponed, but suspended indefinitely due to system issues. We know that PSN was recently compromised and that will cause people to be cautious doing any business over that network. Please explain how this is supposed to help FFXIV?
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#90 May 15 2011 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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If they cancelled this game then they should give everyone who ordered it a full refund. I honestly feel like i bought a car, and was told "We'll give you the wheels next year."
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#91 May 15 2011 at 5:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Docent42 wrote:
SolomonGrundy wrote:
Believe it or not, FFXIII was a financial success for SE, even with the PS3 glitches included. I don't know how reliant the margin of success depended on the 360 release though.

Once again, this list has nothing to do with my opinion of the games, just the fact that people commonly hate on 'em.

As far as I know, FF13 sold like hot cakes (or bread, if you're french). That doesn't mean people loved it, though.

What I keep telling my producers is that sales comes from marketing and brand awareness. Fans comes from making quality products. No matter how good a designer someone is, making a quality game that nobody hears about won't give you sales, and marketing a crappy game (Boogie, for example) will kill any chance for the sequel to have sales (Boogie Superstar)


This is a wonderful point. Personally I never had a PS2 so I missed out on FFIX, X & XII and I was so excited when they announced XIII for the 360. I pre-ordered and invested 30+ hours in the game before my brain finally overruled my devotion (if you like) to playing another FF title. It was just a horrible, horrible game, graphically wonderful, I really enjoyed the battle system but the linear gameplay -and half the characters- killed me. I quit just before finishing the Ark area (I know it opens up after that) but I just didn't have it in me to invest any more time into it, it completely defeated me. I hear FFXIII-2 is trying to make amends for this somewhat. We shall see.


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#92 May 15 2011 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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Kayako wrote:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/12/square_enix_earnings_revision/

So this may be the end of FFXIV. With financial problems and a completely failed launch of FFXIV it would be logical to assume FFXIV will be cut in favor of single player projects they actually make money on.


They have already made it clear about the future of XIV/XI the fact they are willing to work on it, does say it all.

Their losses are not just to the bad launch of XIV but also FFXIII, the build up for that game was immense but it was a bit of a failure. FF Games were brilliant at giving us so much for a simple game but those two games were supposed to be some thing special and they both failed.
XIV they can work on but obviously XIII they can not. They have already admitted in several statements that they need to realise what the "People" want and not just worry about the JP culture. Go back to the original FF Games and they were brilliant for their days, FF7 again brilliant for its time and really put SE (SquareSoft back then) on the map. Of course Spirits within hurt them badly, it cost them so much and they got very little in return because frankly the story was basic and movie badly executed.

To me, I am hoping this gets SE the kick in the teeth I think it needs. In todays world you can not simply make a few people happy, you need to make everyone happy. Stop thinking in linear times or trying to revive the good old FF6 days. Think out the box and think beyond what you should (which they did for FF7).
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#93 May 15 2011 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Lonix wrote:
Kayako wrote:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/12/square_enix_earnings_revision/

So this may be the end of FFXIV. With financial problems and a completely failed launch of FFXIV it would be logical to assume FFXIV will be cut in favor of single player projects they actually make money on.


They have already made it clear about the future of XIV/XI the fact they are willing to work on it, does say it all.

Their losses are not just to the bad launch of XIV but also FFXIII, the build up for that game was immense but it was a bit of a failure. FF Games were brilliant at giving us so much for a simple game but those two games were supposed to be some thing special and they both failed.
XIV they can work on but obviously XIII they can not. They have already admitted in several statements that they need to realise what the "People" want and not just worry about the JP culture. Go back to the original FF Games and they were brilliant for their days, FF7 again brilliant for its time and really put SE (SquareSoft back then) on the map. Of course Spirits within hurt them badly, it cost them so much and they got very little in return because frankly the story was basic and movie badly executed.

To me, I am hoping this gets SE the kick in the teeth I think it needs. In todays world you can not simply make a few people happy, you need to make everyone happy. Stop thinking in linear times or trying to revive the good old FF6 days. Think out the box and think beyond what you should (which they did for FF7).


In what way was FFXIII a failure? It shipped 5.5 million copies (I don't have exact sales figures), received very good ratings, and aside from the FF 'elite' fans who said it was too easy, was pretty well regarded.

I think people expecting SE to learn and go back to their old roots are going to be sorely disappointed. SE is already developing fewer and fewer games, most of which are expensive critical failures. At some point they're going to decide its not worth it, continue on making FF games until people finally bash that mentality out of them, while they expand on the publishing side of their business.
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#94 May 15 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
KujaKoF wrote:
Lonix wrote:
Kayako wrote:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/12/square_enix_earnings_revision/

So this may be the end of FFXIV. With financial problems and a completely failed launch of FFXIV it would be logical to assume FFXIV will be cut in favor of single player projects they actually make money on.


They have already made it clear about the future of XIV/XI the fact they are willing to work on it, does say it all.

Their losses are not just to the bad launch of XIV but also FFXIII, the build up for that game was immense but it was a bit of a failure. FF Games were brilliant at giving us so much for a simple game but those two games were supposed to be some thing special and they both failed.
XIV they can work on but obviously XIII they can not. They have already admitted in several statements that they need to realise what the "People" want and not just worry about the JP culture. Go back to the original FF Games and they were brilliant for their days, FF7 again brilliant for its time and really put SE (SquareSoft back then) on the map. Of course Spirits within hurt them badly, it cost them so much and they got very little in return because frankly the story was basic and movie badly executed.

To me, I am hoping this gets SE the kick in the teeth I think it needs. In todays world you can not simply make a few people happy, you need to make everyone happy. Stop thinking in linear times or trying to revive the good old FF6 days. Think out the box and think beyond what you should (which they did for FF7).


In what way was FFXIII a failure? It shipped 5.5 million copies (I don't have exact sales figures), received very good ratings, and aside from the FF 'elite' fans who said it was too easy, was pretty well regarded.

I think people expecting SE to learn and go back to their old roots are going to be sorely disappointed. SE is already developing fewer and fewer games, most of which are expensive critical failures. At some point they're going to decide its not worth it, continue on making FF games until people finally bash that mentality out of them, while they expand on the publishing side of their business.


I think FFXIII is going to kill FFXV sales though.
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#95 May 15 2011 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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digitalcraft wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
Lonix wrote:
Kayako wrote:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/12/square_enix_earnings_revision/

So this may be the end of FFXIV. With financial problems and a completely failed launch of FFXIV it would be logical to assume FFXIV will be cut in favor of single player projects they actually make money on.


They have already made it clear about the future of XIV/XI the fact they are willing to work on it, does say it all.

Their losses are not just to the bad launch of XIV but also FFXIII, the build up for that game was immense but it was a bit of a failure. FF Games were brilliant at giving us so much for a simple game but those two games were supposed to be some thing special and they both failed.
XIV they can work on but obviously XIII they can not. They have already admitted in several statements that they need to realise what the "People" want and not just worry about the JP culture. Go back to the original FF Games and they were brilliant for their days, FF7 again brilliant for its time and really put SE (SquareSoft back then) on the map. Of course Spirits within hurt them badly, it cost them so much and they got very little in return because frankly the story was basic and movie badly executed.

To me, I am hoping this gets SE the kick in the teeth I think it needs. In todays world you can not simply make a few people happy, you need to make everyone happy. Stop thinking in linear times or trying to revive the good old FF6 days. Think out the box and think beyond what you should (which they did for FF7).


In what way was FFXIII a failure? It shipped 5.5 million copies (I don't have exact sales figures), received very good ratings, and aside from the FF 'elite' fans who said it was too easy, was pretty well regarded.

I think people expecting SE to learn and go back to their old roots are going to be sorely disappointed. SE is already developing fewer and fewer games, most of which are expensive critical failures. At some point they're going to decide its not worth it, continue on making FF games until people finally bash that mentality out of them, while they expand on the publishing side of their business.


I think FFXIII is going to kill FFXV sales though.


well, I guess it'll in part depend on what happens with 13-2, 13 vs, and whatever other tie-ins they have. But I don't think it will, FF13 alienated some of the long time players yes, but a pretty and accessable (or easy) RPG will sell just fine.
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#96 May 15 2011 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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If they cancelled this game then they should give everyone who ordered it a full refund. I honestly feel like i bought a car, and was told "We'll give you the wheels next year."


A $50 car?
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#97 May 15 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well it doesnt have to be a car, if you bought any other product and open up the box to find half the pieces missing, then your going to take it straight back and get a refund, i dont see how just because its software SE can get away with it while any other company would not. Normally you would be able to say that the game works fine, but in this case SE has come out and said their product is terrible.

and btw i knew a guy who traded a car for a £50 ipod on gumtree once :D was a **** car but a car none the less.
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#98 May 15 2011 at 9:11 PM Rating: Good
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I am under the impression you never played RoF, don't like a high opening difficulty in your RPGs, or you played the game for the main plot--something you should never, ever do with a Tri-Ace game.


Whut? The original Valkyrie Profile has awesome main plot with the A ending. At least for all Tri-Ace games.
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#99 May 15 2011 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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Khornette wrote:
The original Valkyrie Profile has awesome main plot with the A ending. At least for all Tri-Ace games.

Well, although all Valkyrie Profiles games so far have a very good story, Tri-Ace games are best known for their (usually awesome) combat systems.

Probably why I just ordered Star Ocean Last Hope International for PS3, even though I already completed it once on the 360. Can't get enough of Star Ocean 4's combat system.
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#100 May 15 2011 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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About the PS3 version:

Bayohne wrote:
Got word back from Yoshida about the changes that they're planning to implement. Like I assumed, there aren't concrete details on what precisely is being done that I care share, but he said that along with the PS3 version development, they are performing optimization work to overall the core engine to make improvements.


Some typos, but still, statement stands.

And the PS3 suspension was not because of system issues. It was because of the current status of the game needing reworked battle system, UI tweaks, various other adjustments, as well as substantial amounts of content being added.

Edited, May 15th 2011 11:27pm by Teknoman
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#101 May 15 2011 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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Teknoman wrote:
And the PS3 suspension was not because of system issues.
Really?
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