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#1 May 22 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello everyone. I was a veteran of FFXI for three years and was very excited for the release of FFXIV. I was dissapointed with the way it turned out at first but the adjustments already made and the ones on the way sound great. I'm concerned I can't play it as I only scored a 2000 on the benchmark. I've heard numerous reports with people playing on scores as low as 600. Anyone here score something similar and still play the game? Thank for your patience with the question.
#2 May 22 2011 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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The game now has several more graphical tweaking options so you could probably find something that works for you, can't say how good it will look. My guess is that it will playable but you'll have issues in cities and crowded areas.
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I thinkas long as your graphics card was made in the last 18 months or so and its not a laptop you should be good. I have an i5, 4gb tri channel and a 5770 hd and it runs fine for me
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Considering the low price of the game and current lack of a subscription fee, I'd say it'd be worth it to try.

My fiancee's computer scored about an 1850 on the benchmark and she enjoys the game just fine at medium/low settings.
The game still looks good, not great, but good and plays smoothly.

Her relevant system specs are: AMD Athlon X4 3.1 / 4gig DDR3 / Nvidia 9600GT 1gb
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Validai wrote:
Considering the low price of the game and current lack of a subscription fee, I'd say it'd be worth it to try.

My fiancee's computer scored about an 1850 on the benchmark and she enjoys the game just fine at medium/low settings.
The game still looks good, not great, but good and plays smoothly.

Her relevant system specs are: AMD Athlon X4 3.1 / 4gig DDR3 / Nvidia 9600GT 1gb


change that gpu and she will be able to run on high settings :D

Edited, May 23rd 2011 1:44pm by Overffxi
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#6 May 23 2011 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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I just upgraded to:

i7 2600k sandybridge
4gb gskill 2133mhz
60gb ocz SSD
500gb maxtor HDD
dual ati 5870s (2gb editions) in Crossfire (both at 16x)
800 watt PSU

and I cant run "everything" on high.

The game is EXTREMELY inefficient and even though my machine is pretty close to top of the line, I still cant get over 30FPS in Uldah. The game is just WAY too inefficient. It needs some optimization BAD.

With everything on standard settings however, I do get 60FPS flat everywhere.
#7 May 23 2011 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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I have an i5, 4gb tri channel and a 5770 hd and it runs fine for me


Only socket 1366 i7 processors were released with triple channel memory. i5 which is 1156 or the newer 1155 socket are both dual channel just to point out. Sorry to seem rude but people may read it and think hey i want some of that triple channel stuff. If you configuration is 2x1GB and 1x2GB then your running SINGLE channel.

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i7 2600k sandybridge
4gb gskill 2133mhz
60gb ocz SSD
500gb maxtor HDD
dual ati 5870s (2gb editions) in Crossfire (both at 16x)
800 watt PSU

and I cant run "everything" on high.


Have you tried the game without X-fire enabled ? I seen people having issues with FFXIV and crossfire scaling which if i remember right sometimes had a negative effect. Dont know if they have patched it or whether AMD have fixed as of yet but i do know there were issues and a couple of the last driver revisions had specific fixes for FFXIV.

i can run the game @ 1920x1080 with everything on high except general drawing qulaity its 8/10 and shadows @ standard. i avg around 40-45 FPS but do go as low as 25-30 in UD. im running a i7 920@4Ghz with 6GB of 1600mhz (TRIPLE CHANNEL - lol) and a 1GB 4870 (which is getting a bit old now)

PS - turn of Depth of field and ambiant occulasion it does very little to visuals and they are big FPS sinks.

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My settings are where yours are now and I am getting slightly higher FPS (probably only because of my GPU) Ill try it without Crossfire and see how things go.

Good tips, thanks.

Edited, May 23rd 2011 2:52pm by DoctorMog
#9 May 24 2011 at 5:41 AM Rating: Good
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DoctorMog wrote:
My settings are where yours are now and I am getting slightly higher FPS (probably only because of my GPU) Ill try it without Crossfire and see how things go.

Good tips, thanks.

Edited, May 23rd 2011 2:52pm by DoctorMog


I have CrossfireX 5850s. I play in full HD with all settings on max but DoF and AO off. I have a RadeonPro profile that forces VSnyc and Triple Buffering and I get 55 FPS in Ul'dah.

CorssfireX does work with the game, you just have to test the waters to gauge the best results.
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#10 May 24 2011 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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Do you play fullscreen?

I run 3 monitors and FFXIV on the center at 1920x1080. Usually have netflix on the left one and vent/anything else on the right one. I am sure its killing performance running the game windowed with a bunch of other things running at the same time.

It would explain some of my reduced framerates. I assume I would get much higher FPS if I was running 1 monitor and FFXIV in fullscreen.
#11 May 24 2011 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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CrossfireX can only work in Full Screen, if you are opening the game Windowed switch it off as it'll just hinder performance. I have a laptop I can watch movies on if I'm crafting or w/e.
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#12 May 24 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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The only problem is that if I mouse over to netflix..

You lose fullscreen and the game shuts down.

le' sigh
#13Crevox, Posted: May 24 2011 at 11:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kinda getting tired of people blindly stating this when they have no idea.
#14 May 24 2011 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Crevox wrote:
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The game is EXTREMELY inefficient


Kinda getting tired of people blindly stating this when they have no idea.


Doc's statement is pretty much spot on. If you want proof PM me an email address and I'll send you screenshots to prove it. I'm running an AMD 1090T @ 4.2GHz, 8 gigs of RAM, and dual GTX 480s also overclocked and still having performance issues both GPU and CPU based.

My rig isn't the best available, but easily chews up and spits out everything else I toss at it on extreme settings and stays cool while doing it. Why else would a DX9 game not perform as it should if it's not poorly coded and extremely inefficient?
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#15 May 24 2011 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Crevox wrote:
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The game is EXTREMELY inefficient
Kinda getting tired of people blindly stating this when they have no idea.

The game is actually very efficient.
Not even close. Even with below-average settings the game struggles to hit low framerates. Newer games at higher settings perform better than FFXIV.

It's a ****** game engine that SE wasted way too much time and money on.
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#16Crevox, Posted: May 24 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) To answer both:
#17 May 24 2011 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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Crevox wrote:
To answer both:

The game has very high graphics compared to most MMOs (or all MMOs), and actually a lot of games. It doesn't even matter if it's low settings, the game still is quite demanding due to the high resolution textures, physics, and more. A LOT of work was put into the graphics of this game. Even having multiple characters on the screen at once can be very demanding due to all of the different equipment they wear. In a game like WoW, pants and chest pieces are simple textures put over the character model... armor in this game is a LOT more elaborate than that, and even has PHYSICS on it. The armor itself is a model, and can be even fitted with more models, with high resolution textures. Even rings in this game show up on your fingers and have a model to them. Be in a city facing a bunch of people all wearing different clothing, armor, and equipment... well yeah of course you're going to need a good computer.

You say it's inefficient, but the game is simply quite demanding due to the graphical engine... and when you decide to put General Drawing Quality at 9 or 10, and other settings quite high, what do you expect? I personally run the game just fine, at 60 FPS in most locales.

Also, as far as I know, this game doesn't fully support SLI. I don't think any MMO does.
Isn't that quaint.

But other games that are just as graphically demanding are still more efficient and produce higher framerates on equivalent settings. It's an inefficient engine and they're asking a lot of it. Part of the problem is that it's oddly CPU-dependent, unlike many other games. You can turn down the graphical settings as low as you possibly can, but in cities you'll still end up with a poor framerate if you don't have a strong CPU.
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#18Crevox, Posted: May 24 2011 at 9:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's mostly graphics card, I really don't think the CPU is THAT much of a deal, but yeah.
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Can you provide some evidence of your theories Crevox?

I bet if you look around the net you will see that an overwhelming majority has evidence that the game in fact IS poorly optimized and very CPU dependent.

Edited, May 24th 2011 11:57pm by DoctorMog
#20Crevox, Posted: May 24 2011 at 11:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I never said it wasn't CPU dependent, in fact I said it was. I just never really realized it, personally.
#21 May 24 2011 at 11:22 PM Rating: Good
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It's as simple as this.

The game is poorly optimized.

I remember doing a test long time ago to find out why the **** I was getting poor frame rates in Ul'dah.

System Specs;

CPU: i5-760
Ram: 4gb DDR3
GFX: GTX 460 SLI


All the tests were done using fraps, recorded in the same position in Ul'dah where I could load as many people as possible on my screen.

Something to note, in SLI mode, the GFX card would equally produce about 40% workload on each card. They would then go up to 80-100% load outside of Ul'dah.

With SLI disabled, a single card would obviously take the full load of 2 cards, but never reaching 100% in Ul'dah. In conclusion, it seems all SLI does is share the workload and not actually provide extra performance, great for heat, but not desired results.

EDIT :: Sorry I forgot to add AA information. I don't want to go through my post and add it again with all the colours and make it look pretty so I'll keep it nice and simple here. AA off or on absolutely maximum makes NO difference to the frame rate.

Tests;

Lowest Resolution, Lowest Settings
Lowest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full screen Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full screen Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40

Highest Resolution, Lowest Settings
Highest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full screen Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, Lowest Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full screen Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40

Lowest Resolution, Medium Settings
Lowest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40

Highest Resolution, Medium Settings
Highest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, Medium Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40

Lowest Resolution, Highest Settings
Lowest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Lowest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40

Highest Resolution, Highest Settings
Highest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, Single GPU - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Window Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40
Highest Resolution, High Settings, AO off, DoF off, Full Screen Mode, SLI - Average FPS :: 35 - 40

AO, DoF Activated
Any resolution, Any Setting, AO on, DoF on, Any type, Single / SLI - Average FPS :: 20-25

If anyone has any other detailed findings or recordings (preferably nVidia users) then please do post.

Edited, May 25th 2011 1:26am by Junghwa
#22 May 24 2011 at 11:27 PM Rating: Default
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It's called a CPU bottleneck. Your CPU is holding back the game from going higher in FPS.

In addition, you should check if vsync is enabled. Also, the game is known to not fully support SLI. Be sure your video card drivers are up to date and try various areas.

Edited, May 25th 2011 12:34am by Crevox
#23 May 24 2011 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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overlocked CPU / GPU , jungwha?
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#24 May 25 2011 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
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CPU and GPU not overclocked.

I did test it, 2.8ghz up to 3.8ghz I think it was for a few hours.

FPS did raise, not by a lot but a few digits.
Didn't keep it there for too long as I was testing it on stock cooling, naughty naughty.

In regards to graphic drivers, ofcourse I have my drivers up to date.
I've tested with about 10 different drivers.
Tested with forced Vysnc
Tested with 3rd party SLI software
Tested with playing around nVidia control panel.

If it was CPU bottle necking, why does it happen only in towns?
Sorry if this sounds like a naive question, I do know about computers, but am by no means an expert.
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Junghwa wrote:
CPU and GPU not overclocked.

I did test it, 2.8ghz up to 3.8ghz I think it was for a few hours.

FPS did raise, not by a lot but a few digits.
Didn't keep it there for too long as I was testing it on stock cooling, naughty naughty.

In regards to graphic drivers, ofcourse I have my drivers up to date.
I've tested with about 10 different drivers.
Tested with forced Vysnc
Tested with 3rd party SLI software
Tested with playing around nVidia control panel.

If it was CPU bottle necking, why does it happen only in towns?
Sorry if this sounds like a naive question, I do know about computers, but am by no means an expert.


You had vsync enabled? You should be doing it with disabled vsync.

In towns, it could be a CPU or GPU issue. If you're experiencing "spikes" while walking (as in freezing), that would be your hard drive.

You could also just not have enough memory, causing it to use your paging file a lot, slowing things down... but that shouldn't affect FPS much (if at all), unless lots of people are loading in and out.

Edited, May 25th 2011 1:20am by Crevox
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I've tried it with Vsync enabled and disabled.
In regards to spikes, yes I understand this would be a HDD issue, so I make sure the HDD has finished having it's emo moments, it's stable until I start to consider the FPS readings.

The main point I'm trying to make is, why does FPS stay the same from the lowest of lowest to almost maximum settings?

Why does the GPU resort to using only 40% power in SLI mode in towns?

If you compare the results to what I get on Crysis 2 which is a constant 60 FPS on absolutely maximum settings and around 40 fps on Metro 2033 on absolutely maximum settings...it just does not compute T.T
#27 May 25 2011 at 12:30 AM Rating: Default
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Most MMOs (including FFXIV) do not fully support SLI setups, and do not utilize it to the fullest.

The reason behind the FPS not going higher is due to the fact that it's a CPU bottleneck. The graphics card has all of its work done, but the CPU is struggling to keep up. The FPS can't improve unless the CPU improves. Even if you up the graphics, the GPU still isn't having a problem, and the CPU is still behind, so the FPS doesn't change.

I usually have 60 FPS in Ul'dah (sometimes 55-60) on my setup.

i7 860 @ ~3.33ghz (OC)
Radeon HD 6870 (no OC)
OCZ-Vertex 2 SSD
4 GB 1600DDR3

Edited, May 25th 2011 1:36am by Crevox
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That's a good answer Crevox, and I think I agree with it, thanks.
I don't think I want to dish out money for an i7-975 extreme or whatnot haha.

EDIT:: Good system btw!

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:37am by Junghwa
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If you're experiencing "spikes" while walking (as in freezing), that would be your hard drive.


****, now I need to invest in an SSD and figure out how the **** I transfer my OS and Mail Account onto it without ******** everything up. All suggestions/tips welcome.
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#30 May 25 2011 at 1:55 AM Rating: Default
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SolomonGrundy wrote:
Crevox wrote:
If you're experiencing "spikes" while walking (as in freezing), that would be your hard drive.


****, now I need to invest in an SSD and figure out how the **** I transfer my OS and Mail Account onto it without ******** everything up. All suggestions/tips welcome.


You're going to need to install your OS onto the new hard drive if you want it to be the boot drive.

Another option is just hooking up the SSD to your computer as another hard drive and putting Final Fantasy XIV on it. That would also solve the issue.

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:57am by Crevox
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I've been toying with the idea of getting an SSD, I cheaped out on the HDD for my PC when I built it and am regretting it now. The only thing holding me back is W7 and Office. As I've activated them both if I re-install on a new SSD the keys are useless. I could probably use Windows Loader to bypass Windows 7 but am at a loss about Office - plus I don't really know of an easy way to transfer your mailbox from one HDD to another.

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#32 May 25 2011 at 5:15 AM Rating: Good
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I never said it wasn't CPU dependent, in fact I said it was. I just never really realized it, personally.


You're just talking for the sake of talking with no evidence to back up any of your claims. I'm going to link some screenshots I took to prove a point.

This shot was taken at Camp Bearded Rock. At the time there were just over a dozen players including myself and NPCs on screen at the time. Because I wanted to show all of the necessary information about my system you'll have to take my word for it since the info takes up most of the screen. It's important to note that all settings were at max with depth of field turned off.

System specs at the time of this screenshot:

AMD 1090T 6 core processor @ 4 GHz on water
nVidia GTX 480 @ stock clock speed and voltage
8GB Muskin RAM @ 1333 MHz 7-7-7-21 timings

I'm sure you would agree that the equipment I use is more than enough to handle this game at max settings. Keep in mind that FFXIV is DX9. I will also include my FFXIV benchmark score and a run of Heaven DX11 bench just for comparison sake. For the sake of consistency, the benchmarks were run with the same WHQL drivers from nVidia.

In-game screenshot

Please note the CPU usage, FPS as displayed by Fraps and CPU temps displayed by Afterburner. If you are able to comprehend the data here I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem understanding and hopefully admitting that you are wrong and misinforming people.

FFXIV benchmark

Heaven DX11 benchmark @ max settings(full AA and tessellation)









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SolomonGrundy wrote:
Crevox wrote:
If you're experiencing "spikes" while walking (as in freezing), that would be your hard drive.


****, now I need to invest in an SSD and figure out how the **** I transfer my OS and Mail Account onto it without ******** everything up. All suggestions/tips welcome.



Uninstall all your junk, back up all your files and clone the drive to a SSD.

No install and reinstall of software needed.
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I'm sure you would agree that the equipment I use is more than enough to handle this game at max settings.


Definitely not. GDQ requires a lot more than that out of a graphics card than a GTX 480, and especially more if you're using AO.

In addition, I wonder how your CPU is using 48.13 threads on the game with a 6 core. No matter what I do (I'm standing in Ul'dah right now trying to find the most laggy spot), I can't get mine to go past 25... then again, I'm also getting 60 FPS.

Furthermore, you didn't show GPU usage. That screenshot is from the beta version of Final Fantasy XIV, and the beta version suffered from a bug with nvidia cards that would cause it to only use 10~30% of the GPU even if the FPS was nowhere near 60. The latest drivers and Final Fantasy XIV have fixed this. Also, the newer Final Fantasy XIV updates to the graphics settings have also resolved many lag issues and have many optimizations.

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You're just talking for the sake of talking with no evidence to back up any of your claims.


Riiight.

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I wanted to show all of the necessary information about my system


No GPU usage?

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I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem understanding and hopefully admitting that you are wrong and misinforming people.


You're quite nearsighted, aren't you?
#35 May 25 2011 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Crevox wrote:
In addition, you should check if vsync is enabled.
Ok, now I'm positive you have no idea what you're talking about. Vsync at 35-40 fps? lol

Crevox wrote:
If you're experiencing "spikes" while walking (as in freezing), that would be your hard drive.
Ahahahaha, seriously you guys need to stop taking this guy seriously. I've run the game on an Intel X25-M 160GB SSD, the hard drive is not the issue. It's the CPU, because the game is inefficient.



Edited, May 25th 2011 12:35pm by bsphil
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But I have a 70/80 hz monitor Bsphil!
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Ok, now I'm positive you have no idea what you're talking about. Vsync at 35-40 fps? lol


With triple buffering and it's an average. 35-40 would be an average of lower than that and higher than that.

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Ahahahaha, seriously you guys need to stop taking this guy seriously. I've run the game on an Intel X25-M 160GB SSD, the hard drive is not the issue. It's the CPU, because the game is inefficient.


When you're running, the game will stutter a lot because it's loading characters and what's ahead as it goes. Running the game from an SSD decreases loading times of that content, and actually removes the stuttering. CPU also has something to do with it, indeed, but the main issue is the loading of content from the hard disk. Not only is that OBVIOUS, but I also have run the game from both my HDD and SSD, and noted the performance increase and the removal of the stuttering.

Seriously? Is this just not making sense to you guys?

Edited, May 25th 2011 12:57pm by Crevox
#38 May 25 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Install the game on a SSD and a HDD. Identical systems.

Does the machine with the HDD have less FPS?

Nope.

Characters and zones take longer to load, but the FPS of the 2 systems will be identical.

Edit: WHEN loading models (characters) Yes, there will be "lag" but this does NOT impact FPS to the degree we are speaking of.

Please don't confuse "load times" with FPS.

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:01pm by DoctorMog
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DoctorMog wrote:
Install the game on a SSD and a HDD. Identical systems.

Does the machine with the HDD have less FPS?

Nope.

Characters and zones take longer to load, but the FPS of the 2 systems will be identical.

Edit: WHEN loading models (characters) Yes, there will be "lag" but this does NOT impact FPS to the degree we are speaking of.

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:00pm by DoctorMog


I never said it impacted FPS to a degree other than remove the "lag" and stuttering. When those stutters occur, FPS has a sudden drop, but then instantly picks back up. SSD only removes those stutters and "lag", causing FPS to not have those sudden drops.
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Crevox wrote:

I never said it impacted FPS...

When those stutters occur, FPS has a sudden drop, but then instantly picks back up....


You contradict yourself.


No use discussing this anymore.

See ya

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:09pm by DoctorMog
#41 May 25 2011 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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DoctorMog wrote:
Crevox wrote:

I never said it impacted FPS...

When those stutters occur, FPS has a sudden drop, but then instantly picks back up....


You contradict yourself.


No use discussing this anymore.

See ya

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:09pm by DoctorMog


When did I ever say SSD would improve your constant FPS? I never did.

Thankfully, you're done trolling.
#42 May 25 2011 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Crevox wrote:
DoctorMog wrote:
Install the game on a SSD and a HDD. Identical systems.

Does the machine with the HDD have less FPS?

Nope.

Characters and zones take longer to load, but the FPS of the 2 systems will be identical.

Edit: WHEN loading models (characters) Yes, there will be "lag" but this does NOT impact FPS to the degree we are speaking of.

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:00pm by DoctorMog


I never said it impacted FPS to a degree other than remove the "lag" and stuttering. When those stutters occur, FPS has a sudden drop, but then instantly picks back up. SSD only removes those stutters and "lag", causing FPS to not have those sudden drops.



Right there.

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#43 May 25 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Crevox wrote:
Running the game from an SSD decreases loading times of that content, and actually removes the stuttering.
That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.
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#44 May 25 2011 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah from what I've read running from SSD has no real meaningful impact on the game, although I've never tested it myself.
#45 May 25 2011 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Right there.

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Yeah, it stops the sudden drops, but it doesn't increase FPS nor does it affect constant FPS. You must just have poor reading comprehension. I really don't know why I'm bothering with a troll. I never said it affected constant FPS or said that it increases FPS. It just stops sudden drops due to loading from the hard disk as you run.

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That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.


It does remove the stuttering, but does not increase FPS. I never once said it did increase FPS, or affect constant FPS. It also decreases load times.

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Yeah from what I've read running from SSD has no real meaningful impact on the game, although I've never tested it myself.


It has a good impact, but not a ridiculous impact, on loading times. It also removes the stuttering.

Edited, May 25th 2011 1:33pm by Crevox
#46 May 25 2011 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.
It does remove the stuttering, but does not increase FPS. I never once said it did increase FPS, or affect constant FPS. It also decreases load times.
It did not remove the stuttering. It DID lower load times though, but that's exactly what I expected from it.
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#47 May 25 2011 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.
It does remove the stuttering, but does not increase FPS. I never once said it did increase FPS, or affect constant FPS. It also decreases load times.
It did not remove the stuttering. It DID lower load times though, but that's exactly what I expected from it.


If it didn't, that means something else is lacking too. The stuttering occurs from the game loading content from the hard drive as you run into memory. You could have a low amount of RAM (requiring the game to use the paging file excessively, and unless you had the paging file on the SSD, the SSD wouldn't help this) or your CPU could be lacking.
#48 May 25 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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If it REMOVES THE REDUCTION of framerates.

it is an INCREASE in framerates

because there is no longer a reduction.

You are still wrong btw, but I needed to clarify that for you.

Edited, May 25th 2011 2:46pm by DoctorMog
#49 May 25 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.
It does remove the stuttering, but does not increase FPS. I never once said it did increase FPS, or affect constant FPS. It also decreases load times.
It did not remove the stuttering. It DID lower load times though, but that's exactly what I expected from it.

Did WEI give the HD a score higher than freaking 5.9 (assuming it was Windows 7)? Can't stand that stupid thing since my 10k RPM velociraptor get's the same score as my WIHLA (Whatever I Had Laying Around) 7200RPM drive.
#50 May 25 2011 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.
It does remove the stuttering, but does not increase FPS. I never once said it did increase FPS, or affect constant FPS. It also decreases load times.
It did not remove the stuttering. It DID lower load times though, but that's exactly what I expected from it.


If it didn't, that means something else is lacking too. The stuttering occurs from the game loading content from the hard drive as you run into memory. You could have a low amount of RAM (requiring the game to use the paging file excessively, and unless you had the paging file on the SSD, the SSD wouldn't help this) or your CPU could be lacking.


Or it could just be that you're full of crap... just sayin. ^^

I run an i7 960 OC'd, Radeon 5870 2gb, and 8 mb ddr3 1600 RAM. It makes NO difference in the stuttering going from my regular HD to my SSD. As bsphil said, it reduced load times, and that's about it.
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#51 May 25 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.
It does remove the stuttering, but does not increase FPS. I never once said it did increase FPS, or affect constant FPS. It also decreases load times.
It did not remove the stuttering. It DID lower load times though, but that's exactly what I expected from it.
If it didn't, that means something else is lacking too. The stuttering occurs from the game loading content from the hard drive as you run into memory. You could have a low amount of RAM (requiring the game to use the paging file excessively, and unless you had the paging file on the SSD, the SSD wouldn't help this) or your CPU could be lacking.
8 GB RAM, i7 processor.

Look, just cut your losses while you're behind.

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bsphil wrote:
Crevox wrote:
bsphil wrote:
That would've been neat had that actually happened when I ran the game on a SSD.
It does remove the stuttering, but does not increase FPS. I never once said it did increase FPS, or affect constant FPS. It also decreases load times.
It did not remove the stuttering. It DID lower load times though, but that's exactly what I expected from it.
Did WEI give the HD a score higher than freaking 5.9 (assuming it was Windows 7)? Can't stand that stupid thing since my 10k RPM velociraptor get's the same score as my WIHLA (Whatever I Had Laying Around) 7200RPM drive.
Yeah, bumped it up to a 7.8 for the hard drive.



Edited, May 25th 2011 2:13pm by bsphil
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