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#1 May 26 2011 at 6:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/china-prisoners-internet-gaming-scam



Basically, former prisoners are reporting that after a full day of physical labor spent actually mining and crafting, they were forced to mine and craft in video games.

I know it's nothing new that Chinese farm gold and other various forms of currency, but I had no idea the prisons were in on it. Something to consider next time someone claims buying currency is victimless.

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Memories from his detention at Jixi re-education-through-labour camp in Heilongjiang province from 2004 still haunt Liu. As well as backbreaking mining toil, he carved chopsticks and toothpicks out of planks of wood until his hands were raw and assembled car seat covers that the prison exported to South Korea and Japan. He was also made to memorise communist literature to pay off his debt to society.

But it was the forced online gaming that was the most surreal part of his imprisonment. The hard slog may have been virtual, but the punishment for falling behind was real.

"If I couldn't complete my work quota, they would punish me physically. They would make me stand with my hands raised in the air and after I returned to my dormitory they would beat me with plastic pipes. We kept playing until we could barely see things," he said.
#2 May 26 2011 at 6:59 PM Rating: Default
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I read about this before.

They're prisoners. I really can't say I care.

Edited, May 26th 2011 9:01pm by lolgaxe
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#3 May 26 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
I read about this before.


Aye, the Brits just caught on.
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Aye, the Brits just caught on.

Probably because it's so different than they way they deal with prisoners; send them as far away as possible, then sink the ships.
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lolgaxe wrote:
I read about this before.


Aye, the Brits just caught on.

Probably because it's so different than they way they deal with prisoners; send them as far away as possible, then sink the ships.

To Australia!
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Riniaru wrote:
Hulan wrote:
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lolgaxe wrote:
I read about this before.


Aye, the Brits just caught on.

Probably because it's so different than they way they deal with prisoners; send them as far away as possible, then sink the ships.

To Australia!


I always wondered how Australia's population exploded to it's current state when it was a penal colony to start. I joked with my friend from there it's the Alabama of the Pacific (just playing :P)
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Consider this: What do we want our end goal to be when it comes to rehabilitation of criminals?

Do we want to give them time to go to the gym, to exercise and become stronger and have more endurance? Or do we want them to sit at computers all day and have their muscles slowly atrophy from lack of use and become generally weaker and have less endurance? To read law books and get mail in degrees to where they can find loop holes in laws and get away with more, or to mindlessly grind for money and levels in a video game?

I think the Chinese are on to something brilliant.
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While I agree that the physical violence towards the prisoners is wrong and that prisoners do deserve rest I also think they should be worked every waking moment that they aren't eating or sleeping. Well, maybe an a 30min break twice a day would be okay.

I mean you have all these people that would otherwise be loafing around and using up resources, why not put them to work? They don't exactly have anything better to do.
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Chances are, whatever the Chinese are doing is better than what typical American prisons do. Despite China's reputation for being totalitarian, America has the largest prison system in the history of the world, and our biggest state, which is bigger than many European countries, was found by a fairly conservative Supreme Court to be violating the civil rights of practically all of them.
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lolgaxe wrote:
I read about this before.

They're prisoners. I really can't say I care.


Because cruel and unusual punishment is good policy, right? (._. )


Edited, May 26th 2011 11:25pm by KaneKitty
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KaneKitty wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I read about this before.

They're prisoners. I really can't say I care.
Because cruel and unusual punishment is good policy, right? (._. )
They're playing WoW, not FFXIV.
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lolgaxe wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I read about this before.

They're prisoners. I really can't say I care.
Because cruel and unusual punishment is good policy, right? (._. )
They're playing WoW, not FFXIV.

FFXIV is reserved for the Maximum Security wing.
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Im with the guy who says who cares they are criminals.
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Im with the guy who says who cares they are criminals.


I'll re-post this because it seems to be getting ignored:

"Liu says he was one of scores of prisoners forced to play online games to build up credits that prison guards would then trade for real money. The 54-year-old, a former prison guard who was jailed for three years in 2004 for "illegally petitioning" the central government about corruption in his hometown."

So not only is this guy being tortured for what seems to be a very minor offence (if it's really an offence at all), but it's being administered by corrupt prison guards for their own personal profit.

You honestly support this kind of behaviour: the torturous forced labour and the exploitation, the idea that "prisoners deserve whatever terrible conditions they can survive," simply on the basis of an obviously questionable government's three-year sentence?


Edited, May 26th 2011 11:26pm by KaneKitty
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lolgaxe wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I read about this before.

They're prisoners. I really can't say I care.
Because cruel and unusual punishment is good policy, right? (._. )
They're playing WoW, not FFXIV.


This made me actually lol.
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ive been to prison. i wont say what for but i will say this. it isnt right that someone who say.. torches an orphanage killing all the children and faculty gets the exact same cell and treatment as someone who was in dire need of money so stole a car to try and provide for his family in this bad economy.


the murderer's and theives really should have diffrent treatment.

let the petty crime people play WoW

and force the murderers and molesters to farm in ffxiv.
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You do realize that for every @#%^phile, serial rapists, and mass murderers in prison there is a guy who got driving offenses several times too often, a guy who avoided tax but got caught, and a guy who went too drunk one day and wreck some havoc due to being intoxicated/stupid?

Putting them all in one place is like caging the dog that wee on your carpet with the crazy one that bites and aggro everything that moves.

Plus, at the end of the day, the majority of the people in there are still human who did a mistake or broke the law due to extreme circumstances. It's easy to disregard all prisoners as "evil people", but more experienced people know the world is not black and white like that.

EDIT: Wow, the word that means "people who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children" is censored? I understand swear words, but this...?

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KaneKitty wrote:
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Im with the guy who says who cares they are criminals.


I'll re-post this because it seems to be getting ignored:

"Liu says he was one of scores of prisoners forced to play online games to build up credits that prison guards would then trade for real money. The 54-year-old, a former prison guard who was jailed for three years in 2004 for "illegally petitioning" the central government about corruption in his hometown."

So not only is this guy being tortured for what seems to be a very minor offence (if it's really an offence at all), but it's being administered by corrupt prison guards for their own personal profit.

You honestly support this kind of behaviour: the torturous forced labour and the exploitation, the idea that "prisoners deserve whatever terrible conditions they can survive," simply on the basis of an obviously questionable government's three-year sentence?


Edited, May 26th 2011 11:26pm by KaneKitty


Ok then if thats the case ill go with atleast they are giving them something easy to do while in jail if they arent real criminals.
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It never ceases to amaze me the depths of depravity the human race is able to sink to. No matter how far we advance in knowledge and understanding of life and the universe at large, we're still the same as we've always been. Some of the callous and cold hearted comments here also disturb me. Often I wonder if those who would make such a remark would be the same as those who perform these acts had circumstances been similar. The saddest part of all, is that I'm not in the least surprised by any of it.
#20 May 27 2011 at 12:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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KaneKitty wrote:
tpgsoldier wrote:
Im with the guy who says who cares they are criminals.


I'll re-post this because it seems to be getting ignored:

"Liu says he was one of scores of prisoners forced to play online games to build up credits that prison guards would then trade for real money. The 54-year-old, a former prison guard who was jailed for three years in 2004 for "illegally petitioning" the central government about corruption in his hometown."

So not only is this guy being tortured for what seems to be a very minor offence (if it's really an offence at all), but it's being administered by corrupt prison guards for their own personal profit.

You honestly support this kind of behaviour: the torturous forced labour and the exploitation, the idea that "prisoners deserve whatever terrible conditions they can survive," simply on the basis of an obviously questionable government's three-year sentence?


Edited, May 26th 2011 11:26pm by KaneKitty


Ok then if thats the case ill go with atleast they are giving them something easy to do while in jail if they arent real criminals.


Easy slavery is slavery nonetheless. The Chinese people desperately need to overthrow their government.
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Easy slavery is slavery nonetheless. The Chinese people desperately need to overthrow their government.


Yes to the former. I am definitely no head-in-the-clouds humanist (see my arguments for stricter measures against botters), but exploitation, no matter who the target may be, is not in the repertoire of what I willingly tolerate (the developed countries exploit the rest of the world, so in a way I am part of global exploitation - but that's another story).

Corruption seems to be the main driving force behind Chinas vast econimocal advances; relatively free reign to the strong and industrious (and unscrupulous) always benefits a country's gross domestic product up to a certain point; and neither Japan, Europe nor the US were any better a century ago. It works pretty well until the losses due to corruption start to eat up the benefits. In the case at hand, however, I think it's just a by-product of the governmental policy; most likely the jailors involved divide the profits among themselves (so it's not "governmentally organized exploitation").
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gold farming = $$$ for the country ........so is a win-win for china
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So im guessing 'If you cant do the time, don't do the crime' becomes....

'If you think farming's a chore, don't break the law'!!
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I must say compared to the UK where prison is basically a holiday camp I would be more in favour of making people work to pay back the economy the cost they have caused but what is most disturbing is what they are being locked up for... speaking out against corruption, standing up for what is right even if you are standing alone is something I strongly believe in. People who do this being made to work to the extent they seem to be is disgusting.

but even a side from this I detest the buying/selling of online gold.
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Where do i sign up to get a prisoner to farm for me?
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It never ceases to amaze me the depths of depravity the human race is able to sink to. No matter how far we advance in knowledge and understanding of life and the universe at large, we're still the same as we've always been. Some of the callous and cold hearted comments here also disturb me. Often I wonder if those who would make such a remark would be the same as those who perform these acts had circumstances been similar. The saddest part of all, is that I'm not in the least surprised by any of it.


I could not agree more, I would have said "Total Depravity" myself ;)

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Kane Kitty brings up a great point.

If it were prisoners in the US, while cruel and unusual punishment is frowned up, I could at least see how some people would think "OK, these are murderers and drug addicts... to some degree, they are paying a penance."...

But this is China we're talking about. They have the kind of government that will imprison you for sneezing if they so much as suspect that it was some sort of code for anti-communism.
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Ok listen. I do not support cruel and unusual punishment. At all. I think it's downright awful, and if this poor man WAS put away for what he says he was, then it's really a terrible thing. However, some people really need to learn how to take a joke. I already expect to be defaulted for saying that but seriously guys, chill out. I doubt anyone here is truly in favor of cruel and unusual punishment. There's only so many ways you can say how tragic it is, and to be quite frank, prisoners often lie about why they were in prison to begin with. Not saying he was, but ask a bunch of ex-cons if they were innocent and see how many say no.

So, instead of just posting a comment about how awful it is, people make jokes because it's an online gaming forum and that's what happens. For me at least, it's a coping mechanism. Now then, flame on!

edit: haha, called that.

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Kane Kitty brings up a great point.

If it were prisoners in the US, while cruel and unusual punishment is frowned up, I could at least see how some people would think "OK, these are murderers and drug addicts... to some degree, they are paying a penance."...

But this is China we're talking about. They have the kind of government that will imprison you for sneezing if they so much as suspect that it was some sort of code for anti-communism.

China locks up 120 citizens per 100,000 citizens. The US locks up over 743 citizens per 100,000 citizens. And I think that's a low estimate--there are around 2 million Americans in prison right now, or 1% of all American adults. About 5 times that number are currently on probation or parole, and given the vast majority are men, that means 1 out of 10 American men are currently on probation, parole, or in prison.

No country in the history of the world has come close to matching the breadth and complexity of the American penal system. And in many states, including California, the largest and supposedly one of the most "liberal" states in the US, you do your time in a 6 x 9 cell with two other guys.

China's penal system is bleeding heart compared to ours.
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Am I the only one who read the thread title as:

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Im with the guy who says who cares they are criminals.


If you've ever exceeded the speed limit you are a criminal, so if you were tortured for doing so it would be justified right?

I don't mean exceeding the speed limit AND caused damage... simply exceeding the posted limit and you get tortured, beaten, and work in a mine for years. You would be a criminal, after all, so who cares right?
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If you've ever exceeded the speed limit you are a criminal, so if you were tortured for doing so it would be justified right?


It's torture when they take your license off you for 6 months and you have to take the bus with all the other 'fun' and 'interesting' people.

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Reading this makes me even more glad for never having purchased ingame currency for real money.
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A massive proportion of prisoners in the US are in for drug related crimes, and personally I don't think possession or selling drugs should be criminal. So I can't really get on board with the "they're criminals, who cares" boat.

Especially in China, of all places. Having opinions is a crime there.



Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of very illegal things that occur because possessing/selling drugs is illegal, but that diminishes greatly with legalization or at least decriminalization. People with serious addiction problems should be getting therapy, not jail time. All that does is extend the drug problem into prisons and does nothing to prevent usage or the crimes that result from the illegality of it.




Edited, May 27th 2011 12:18pm by bsphil
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According to certain reports, yes, they do have less per capita than the US. China is not known, however, for freedom of information. If guards in position of power are able to use prisoners who had a long days work of physical labor for hours more online farming for their own profit, who knows how far up corruption might be? Read this article, http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2494/does-the-united-states-lead-the-world-in-prison-population take care to read the part about Harry Wu who mentions prisoners that are kept off the books, political, involuntary and other common criminals. It wouldn't look very good if they reported numbers as high as what Harry Wu reports them to be. Like it or not, China is a very controlling state and not as forgiving as you might be lead to believe.

You also have to keep in mind that the US currently has around 11 million illegal immigrants, a fairly large gang population (which most originated in other countries) and drugs coming in from various places which are deemed illegal. These immigrants will have a hard time finding jobs that pay well and this often leads to poverty. Poverty is a well known factor in crime. Somewhere on wiki (search illegal US immigrants) it says that 56% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico and at least 22% more are from other Latin American countries. As for the gangs, according to wonderful Wiki, "There were at least 30,000 gangs and 800,000 gang members active across the USA in 2007,[7][8] up from 731,500 in 2002 and 750,000 in 2004.[9] By 1999, Hispanics accounted for 47% of all gang members, Blacks 34%, Whites 13%, and Asians 6%."

Obviously this information isn't completely up to date, but as you can see hispanics and blacks make up a very large percentage of gangs. Also obvious, gang members are likely to go to prison. What am I getting at? China and the US have different issues on crime right now. The US is fighting poverty and illegal immigration due to an influx of people from other countries who want a better life. Unfortunately this leads to an increase of crime due to the nature of this problem.

There is also a graph on wiki that shows since the economic problems the US has fallen into and immigration started large scale, that crime has risen from about 200/100,000 to the closer to 750/100,000. As far as I'm aware at this point China is prospering economically. As I've stated poverty and crime go hand in hand. Still, don't give China too much credit. I've recently had a friend move to China in the past year or so, upon my conversations with him I can say without a doubt that they are very controlling and you will be thrown in prison for minor offenses or even no offense at all (at least according to my view). I also found this article while searching around, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110527/ap_on_re_as/as_thailand_monarchy it's not about China, but I thought it warranted a glance.

Take the information as you will. I have no hard data proving any of this, it's all just from my searching.

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Kane Kitty brings up a great point.

If it were prisoners in the US, while cruel and unusual punishment is frowned up, I could at least see how some people would think "OK, these are murderers and drug addicts... to some degree, they are paying a penance."...

But this is China we're talking about. They have the kind of government that will imprison you for sneezing if they so much as suspect that it was some sort of code for anti-communism.

China locks up 120 citizens per 100,000 citizens. The US locks up over 743 citizens per 100,000 citizens. And I think that's a low estimate--there are around 2 million Americans in prison right now, or 1% of all American adults. About 5 times that number are currently on probation or parole, and given the vast majority are men, that means 1 out of 10 American men are currently on probation, parole, or in prison.

No country in the history of the world has come close to matching the breadth and complexity of the American penal system. And in many states, including California, the largest and supposedly one of the most "liberal" states in the US, you do your time in a 6 x 9 cell with two other guys.

China's penal system is bleeding heart compared to ours.


Quality vs quantity. Our system sure as **** is not perfect, but at least both US citizens and prisoners are afforded basic civil rights. Slave labor, torture, imprisonment for speaking out against the government... say what you will about the US. At least we're better than that.


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A massive proportion of prisoners in the US are in for drug related crimes, and personally I don't think possession or selling drugs should be criminal. So I can't really get on board with the "they're criminals, who cares" boat.

Especially in China, of all places. Having opinions is a crime there.



Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of very illegal things that occur because possessing/selling drugs is illegal, but that diminishes greatly with legalization or at least decriminalization. People with serious addiction problems should be getting therapy, not jail time. All that does is extend the drug problem into prisons and does nothing to prevent usage or the crimes that result from the illegality of it.



Edited, May 27th 2011 12:18pm by bsphil


I'll agree that pot should be legalized. Hard drugs - definitely not. Although I will say that simple possesion laws of hard drugs shoul be drastically more lenient, while manufacturers and sellers should be penalized much more severely.
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A massive proportion of prisoners in the US are in for drug related crimes, and personally I don't think possession or selling drugs should be criminal. So I can't really get on board with the "they're criminals, who cares" boat.

Especially in China, of all places. Having opinions is a crime there.



Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of very illegal things that occur because possessing/selling drugs is illegal, but that diminishes greatly with legalization or at least decriminalization. People with serious addiction problems should be getting therapy, not jail time. All that does is extend the drug problem into prisons and does nothing to prevent usage or the crimes that result from the illegality of it.
I'll agree that pot should be legalized. Hard drugs - definitely not. Although I will say that simple possesion laws of hard drugs shoul be drastically more lenient, while manufacturers and sellers should be penalized much more severely.
That's fair. I don't think the US would ever allow such a massive change in policy on the drug issue to occur. If anything, it'd start smaller with decriminalization of marijuana possession.

I will say that at least in Portugal, it has been working very well for them. They decriminalized ALL drugs from pot to cocaine/meth/heroin back in 2001, and replaced jail time for criminals committing acts due to abusing drugs with extensive therapy treatment. After 5 years, drug usage across the board had actually decreased, as well as other good things like HIV transmission. Not only that, but the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled (not to be confused with people forced to seek treatment via a court order).

I guess people could argue that what works in Portugal won't necessarily work in the US, but I've never really seen any convincing evidence of that. The results are pretty surprising and go against a common sense reaction, but there are plenty of things in the world that don't work the way people uneducated in the corresponding field just assume they do. :P




Oh, and guildleves, gold farming, MMOs, and all that. See, I'm on topic.
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Ok listen. I do not support cruel and unusual punishment. At all. I think it's downright awful, and if this poor man WAS put away for what he says he was, then it's really a terrible thing. However, some people really need to learn how to take a joke. I already expect to be defaulted for saying that but seriously guys, chill out. I doubt anyone here is truly in favor of cruel and unusual punishment. There's only so many ways you can say how tragic it is, and to be quite frank, prisoners often lie about why they were in prison to begin with. Not saying he was, but ask a bunch of ex-cons if they were innocent and see how many say no.

So, instead of just posting a comment about how awful it is, people make jokes because it's an online gaming forum and that's what happens. For me at least, it's a coping mechanism. Now then, flame on!

edit: haha, called that.

Edited, May 27th 2011 11:32am by BartelX


I am an ex-con.went in for assault on an officer 10 years ago just before I was 21. I spent 2 years in prison and 6 years on probation. I spent $8.000 in fines and did over 600 hours of voluntary community service. I was guilty never once said I was not. A good bit of the people I know will tell you the same. most of us who have made mistakes do not lie about it. The "I am innocent cry" is mostly in movie and tv shows.

For every 1 bad guy in prison is 5 others who made a mistake and only want to pay the price and get on with our lives. The sad thing is society will not let us move on after we pay our debt. 9 times out of 10 I can not get a job. After 10+ years of staying out of truble working for the community and doing every thing I can to pay my debt I am still just a no good felon in most peoples eyes. We claim in the US to believe in rehabilitation and reintegration but do everything in our power to make it impossible.

You can call it joking all you want. To some people things like this are no laughing matter at all!
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You do realize that for every @#%^phile, serial rapists, and mass murderers in prison there is a guy who got driving offenses several times too often, a guy who avoided tax but got caught, and a guy who went too drunk one day and wreck some havoc due to being intoxicated/stupid?

Putting them all in one place is like caging the dog that wee on your carpet with the crazy one that bites and aggro everything that moves.

Plus, at the end of the day, the majority of the people in there are still human who did a mistake or broke the law due to extreme circumstances. It's easy to disregard all prisoners as "evil people", but more experienced people know the world is not black and white like that.

EDIT: Wow, the word that means "people who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children" is censored? I understand swear words, but this...?

Edited, May 27th 2011 12:31am by Enfid


Just call them "PDF Files" :P

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Just call them "PDF Files" :P
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I am an ex-con.went in for assault on an officer 10 years ago just before I was 21. I spent 2 years in prison and 6 years on probation. I spent $8.000 in fines and did over 600 hours of voluntary community service. I was guilty never once said I was not. A good bit of the people I know will tell you the same. most of us who have made mistakes do not lie about it. The "I am innocent cry" is mostly in movie and tv shows.

For every 1 bad guy in prison is 5 others who made a mistake and only want to pay the price and get on with our lives. The sad thing is society will not let us move on after we pay our debt. 9 times out of 10 I can not get a job. After 10+ years of staying out of trouble working for the community and doing every thing I can to pay my debt I am still just a no good felon in most peoples eyes. We claim in the US to believe in rehabilitation and reintegration but do everything in our power to make it impossible.

You can call it joking all you want. To some people things like this are no laughing matter at all!


Sadly, this post is the scenario that I think ex-cons who reintegrated into society go through, especially about the 'getting a job' part. It's almost like applying for a health insurance when you have a record of a stroke/heart attack/whatever. It almost doesn't matter what treatments you have been getting afterwards or the lifestyle changes you do to improve your life, if you have had those conditions before, then they will most likely deny you the insurance.
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i just have to say this..

to say or think torture doesnt happen in US prisons.. you obviously havent been to prison.

do some research on huntsville prison in tx.

and bear in mind not everything that happens goes on record. only the things that happen when the guards get caught. and they RARELY get caught
in the first link provided. if you read through it about how beatings being shot ect ect excessive violence by guards is not only tolerated but accepted i can vouch 100% on that. when i was in huntsville on several occcasions during chow the guards took it upon themselves to attack everyone eating.. no one was fighting there were no confrentations happening the guards would simply get bored and all start shouting HEEEEYAW! like we were cattle and start zapping beating ect ect all the prisoners for absolutely no reason. this happened 3 time in my 2 year stay. im sure it still happens now

Edit: Sources. Real Life Experience and heres some links too
http://www.examiner.com/prison-policy-in-national/do-people-really-want-to-know
http://www.examiner.com/prison-abuse-in-huntsville

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:42pm by FinalFanXIV

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:47pm by FinalFanXIV
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FinalFanXIV wrote:
i just have to say this..

to say or think torture doesnt happen in US prisons.. you obviously havent been to prison.

do some research on huntsville prison in tx.

and bear in mind not everything that happens goes on record. only the things that happen when the guards get caught. and they RARELY get caught
in the first link provided. if you read through it about how beatings being shot ect ect excessive violence by guards is not only tolerated but accepted i can vouch 100% on that. when i was in huntsville on several occcasions during chow the guards took it upon themselves to attack everyone eating.. no one was fighting there were no confrentations happening the guards would simply get bored and all start shouting HEEEEYAW! like we were cattle and start zapping beating ect ect all the prisoners for absolutely no reason. this happened 3 time in my 2 year stay. im sure it still happens now

Edit: Sources. Real Life Experience and heres some links too
http://www.examiner.com/prison-policy-in-national/do-people-really-want-to-know
http://www.examiner.com/prison-abuse-in-huntsville

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:42pm by FinalFanXIV

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:47pm by FinalFanXIV


I wonder how many people read this and just assumed" oh this is America, this couldn't happen. They must have made that all up so we could feel sorry for them!"

No kidding, this is how a large volume of people think.
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FinalFanXIV wrote:
i just have to say this..

to say or think torture doesnt happen in US prisons.. you obviously havent been to prison.

do some research on huntsville prison in tx.

and bear in mind not everything that happens goes on record. only the things that happen when the guards get caught. and they RARELY get caught
in the first link provided. if you read through it about how beatings being shot ect ect excessive violence by guards is not only tolerated but accepted i can vouch 100% on that. when i was in huntsville on several occcasions during chow the guards took it upon themselves to attack everyone eating.. no one was fighting there were no confrentations happening the guards would simply get bored and all start shouting HEEEEYAW! like we were cattle and start zapping beating ect ect all the prisoners for absolutely no reason. this happened 3 time in my 2 year stay. im sure it still happens now

Edit: Sources. Real Life Experience and heres some links too
http://www.examiner.com/prison-policy-in-national/do-people-really-want-to-know
http://www.examiner.com/prison-abuse-in-huntsville

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:42pm by FinalFanXIV

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:47pm by FinalFanXIV


I wonder how many people read this and just assumed" oh this is America, this couldn't happen. They must have made that all up so we could feel sorry for them!"

No kidding, this is how a large volume of people think.


Actually, my first reaction was "Why does that not surprise me?"
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#48 May 28 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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How dare you not conform to the image of offenders presented by the media and eagerly believed by the sheeple.

Anyone who screams about inmates getting everything they deserve, hope you never have to visit a relative in jail.
#49 May 28 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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reptiletim wrote:
FinalFanXIV wrote:
i just have to say this..

to say or think torture doesnt happen in US prisons.. you obviously havent been to prison.

do some research on huntsville prison in tx.

and bear in mind not everything that happens goes on record. only the things that happen when the guards get caught. and they RARELY get caught
in the first link provided. if you read through it about how beatings being shot ect ect excessive violence by guards is not only tolerated but accepted i can vouch 100% on that. when i was in huntsville on several occcasions during chow the guards took it upon themselves to attack everyone eating.. no one was fighting there were no confrentations happening the guards would simply get bored and all start shouting HEEEEYAW! like we were cattle and start zapping beating ect ect all the prisoners for absolutely no reason. this happened 3 time in my 2 year stay. im sure it still happens now

Edit: Sources. Real Life Experience and heres some links too
http://www.examiner.com/prison-policy-in-national/do-people-really-want-to-know
http://www.examiner.com/prison-abuse-in-huntsville

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:42pm by FinalFanXIV

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:47pm by FinalFanXIV


I wonder how many people read this and just assumed" oh this is America, this couldn't happen. They must have made that all up so we could feel sorry for them!"

No kidding, this is how a large volume of people think.


Actually, my first reaction was "Why does that not surprise me?"


I don't think anyone would be so foolish as to think that this sort of stuff doesn't happen in US prisons. As I said, our system is not perfect and bad apples like these dirty prison guards make the situation much worse.

The point I was trying to make in comparing the US penal system to China's is that this sort of stuff is NOT accepable here. It IS in China though. The US prison system is abominable, but we at least don't condone the abuses that China does.
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the punishment should fit the crime...somewhere along the line the good ol USoA forgot that simple rule. i hate life sentencing. if you knowingly murdered someone you should get 24 hours, a preist, and a court execution...let all the inmates see what happens to killers. the execution should match the nature of the crime. if the inmate strangled them to death noose there ***, if they shot and someone then they too should die by the bullet, if they stabbed someone to death quarter there *** one limb at a time. let every one see it air it on live tv. watch your crime rates plummet.

to many humanitarian fools if you ask me.
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