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#52 May 30 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Autumnfire wrote:
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FinalFanXIV wrote:
i just have to say this..

to say or think torture doesnt happen in US prisons.. you obviously havent been to prison.

do some research on huntsville prison in tx.

and bear in mind not everything that happens goes on record. only the things that happen when the guards get caught. and they RARELY get caught
in the first link provided. if you read through it about how beatings being shot ect ect excessive violence by guards is not only tolerated but accepted i can vouch 100% on that. when i was in huntsville on several occcasions during chow the guards took it upon themselves to attack everyone eating.. no one was fighting there were no confrentations happening the guards would simply get bored and all start shouting HEEEEYAW! like we were cattle and start zapping beating ect ect all the prisoners for absolutely no reason. this happened 3 time in my 2 year stay. im sure it still happens now

Edit: Sources. Real Life Experience and heres some links too
http://www.examiner.com/prison-policy-in-national/do-people-really-want-to-know
http://www.examiner.com/prison-abuse-in-huntsville

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:42pm by FinalFanXIV

Edited, May 27th 2011 9:47pm by FinalFanXIV


I wonder how many people read this and just assumed" oh this is America, this couldn't happen. They must have made that all up so we could feel sorry for them!"

No kidding, this is how a large volume of people think.


Actually, my first reaction was "Why does that not surprise me?"


I don't think anyone would be so foolish as to think that this sort of stuff doesn't happen in US prisons. As I said, our system is not perfect and bad apples like these dirty prison guards make the situation much worse.

The point I was trying to make in comparing the US penal system to China's is that this sort of stuff is NOT accepable here. It IS in China though. The US prison system is abominable, but we at least don't condone the abuses that China does.


I agree with you can't compare the too, what I don't agree with though is "at least we don't condone the abuses that China does." I've been living in China for over a year now, and I can tell you that Americans and people from the West in general have a very uneducated view of China. (Though I don't blame you, theirs no way you could get this without living here). The fact is China DOES NOT condone this. The central government likely doesn't either. But because the government is centralized, it has a hard time controlling the local , bottom line people. Often these people are paid off, and bribed. On top of that "Hong Bao" which means red envelope is a tradition in China that actually legitimizes bribing. On top of that years, of living in poverty has made this nation focused squarely on money (If you want to marry in China as a guy you have to own a house, and be able to give money to the family of the girl you were marry, and housing prices are as high as America here). With all these conditions combined, there are serious problems with local governments (Especially in Small cities and towns, big cities like Shanghai are fine). But your average Chinese would equally disapprove of this as much as you do. So would the central government if it had the time and resources to handle it. Remember China has 1.3 Billion, its hardly micro-manageable.
Of course we could turn this into a debate about which has the best government but its hardly a worthwhile debate, and won't change anything. The fact is, this is the condition of China now. But I would think its useful to remember this when you hear about something like what you are reading now.

#53 May 30 2011 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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the punishment should fit the crime...somewhere along the line the good ol USoA forgot that simple rule. i hate life sentencing. if you knowingly murdered someone you should get 24 hours, a preist, and a court execution...let all the inmates see what happens to killers. the execution should match the nature of the crime. if the inmate strangled them to death noose there ***, if they shot and someone then they too should die by the bullet, if they stabbed someone to death quarter there *** one limb at a time. let every one see it air it on live tv. watch your crime rates plummet.

to many humanitarian fools if you ask me.


IIRC that's what they do in Middle Eastern countries. My Social Studies teacher back in middle school saw one of the public execution by beheading.

I'll reserve my judgement on how well this is to their countries, as I don't know of their crime rates in general.
#54 May 30 2011 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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FelixValmont wrote:
the punishment should fit the crime...somewhere along the line the good ol USoA forgot that simple rule. i hate life sentencing. if you knowingly murdered someone you should get 24 hours, a preist, and a court execution...let all the inmates see what happens to killers. the execution should match the nature of the crime. if the inmate strangled them to death noose there ***, if they shot and someone then they too should die by the bullet, if they stabbed someone to death quarter there *** one limb at a time. let every one see it air it on live tv. watch your crime rates plummet.

to many humanitarian fools if you ask me.


That is, literally, how the justice system worked in the Medieval period, and on into the Early Modern period. Executions were gruesome and a matter of public spectacle... the heads of criminals were left to rot on spikes on London Bridge for all to see... crime rates remained high. There were murders surprisingly often (especially considering the relatively low populations of the cities), as well as riots, and relatively frequent attempts at treason. Your idea has been proven ineffective by about five-hundred years of testing.

Exposing citizens to extreme violence is not the way to prevent crime, educating them and having a fair and competent judicial system is. Think of it this way: if I am intelligent and live in good conditions, then I have much to lose, and I would also know how likely I am to get caught for committing a crime.

Those are better deterrents than torturing people to death on TV.


Edited, May 30th 2011 12:09pm by KaneKitty
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