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#1 Jun 07 2011 at 5:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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From http://videogames.cosmicbooknews.com/content/square-enix-unveils-2011-e3-titles

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LOS ANGELES (June 2, 2011) – Square Enix, Inc., the publisher of SQUARE ENIX® interactive entertainment products in the Americas, announced today its videogame lineup for the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3), taking place at the Los Angeles Convention Center, June 7–9, 2011.

This year, Square Enix brings some of gaming’s hottest and most beloved franchises to the forefront. Some of gaming’s biggest names spearhead the company’s show offering.



TOMB RAIDER®, from Redwood City-based studio Crystal Dynamics®, ratchets up the intensity and takes gamers into the world of Lara Croft as they have never seen before.
A new tale continues the story of FINAL FANTASY®XIII. With new characters come new destinies in FINAL FANTASY XIII-2, which will be playable for the first time at E3.
Gaming in 2011 gets augmented with DEUS EX®: HUMAN REVOLUTION™ from Eidos- Montréal, marking the series’ triumphant return.
Agent 47™ takes on his most dangerous contract to date inHITMAN®ABSOLUTION™ from IO Interactive A/S.
The island of Banoi may seem like paradise — until players realize they are among a handful of survivors of a zombie outbreak in DEAD ISLAND™ from Deep Silver.
Obsidian Entertainment’s DUNGEON SIEGE®III offers intuitive action gameplay, a robust RPG system with an extensive selection of abilities, an endless variety of loot and an engaging storyline.
WAKFU® is a fantasy MMO adventure with a tactical combat system and a unique anime style from Ankama Studio.
HEROES OF RUIN™ is a brand new adventure for the Nintendo 3DS™ featuring a lineup of unlikely heroes and deep social functionality.
“We’re thrilled to present a roster of games based on some of the industry’s most acclaimed franchises as well as introduce exciting new titles,” said Mike Fischer, president and chief executive officer of Square Enix, Inc. “We are incredibly fortunate to work with a global network of world-renowned studio and development partners committed to creating outstanding interactive experiences. Our goal is to entertain and engage a wide range of consumers with the best experience possible, whether they are gamers who grew up playing our games or people just learning about our vast portfolio of titles.”

To experience the latest offerings from Square Enix firsthand, visit booth 1647 in the South Hall of the Los Angeles Convention Center.

For the latest information on Square Enix at E3, please visit http://na.square-enix.com/events.


SE's officcial E3 web page.

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#2 Jun 07 2011 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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Just watched the XIII-2 trailer.

Reason for never buying and playing this game: Vanille.

That is all.
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How that they have Eidos and other western studios under their belt pumping out what appear to be some pretty sweet games, I wouldn't be surprised if they focussed more on showcasing their stuff at E3 in the future (as they have this year) and leaving the millions of RPG-spin off announcements for japanese shows.

Pretty good lineup, even FFXIII-2 looks alright.

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Just watched the XIII-2 trailer.

Reason for never buying and playing this game: Vanille.

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She wasn't in the trailer...? Though it remains to be seen just how annoying Serah can get.

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 7:47am by Dlaqev
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Dlaqev wrote:
How that they have Eidos and other western studios under their belt pumping out what appear to be some pretty sweet games, I wouldn't be surprised if they focussed more on showcasing their stuff at E3 in the future (as they have this year) and leaving the millions of RPG-spin off announcements for japanese shows.

Pretty good lineup, even FFXIII-2 looks alright.


Wow, really? I was just about to say how lame and boring I thought their lineup looked. Absolutely no surprises whatsoever, and their headliners are a sequel to what is arguably considered their WORST FF game, and a game that they bought the rights to... oh yeah, and the non-FF mmo. I'm not impressed.
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Dlaqev wrote:
How that they have Eidos and other western studios under their belt pumping out what appear to be some pretty sweet games, I wouldn't be surprised if they focussed more on showcasing their stuff at E3 in the future (as they have this year) and leaving the millions of RPG-spin off announcements for japanese shows.

Pretty good lineup, even FFXIII-2 looks alright.

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Just watched the XIII-2 trailer.

Reason for never buying and playing this game: Vanille.

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She wasn't in the trailer...? Though it remains to be seen just how annoying Serah can get.

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 7:47am by Dlaqev


You are right, I just watched again and it's Serah. I automatically thought Vanille and my mind went into emergency shutdown - I stand corrected sir!
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#7 Jun 07 2011 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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Well, Square enix isn't just Square.

I'll agree that we've generally been spoilt by release dates and unveilings etc at E3 by Squenix in the past, but they pretty much announced all their FNC stuff at the start of the year. I imagine at this point they're trying to regroup and sort out their production departments rather than continue announcing new stuff. I was pretty much expecting it to be a quiet one for them.

FFXIII wasn't a bad game at all, not the best but still at least on par with general industry standards. Just not FF standards. (EDIT: thought i should add, i have absolutely no idea how good or bad XIII-2 is going to be, some parts look pretty cool, like riding on odin's back zapping bahamut, and then there's the giant robot arm coming out of nowhere..)

Deux Ex and Tomb Raider both appear to be really great games.

No idea about Wakfu and the other titles, but they usually show a bunch of crap too, it's just that no one notices it. Dungeon Siege has a niche audience, not my kind of thing.

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 7:56am by Dlaqev
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Wakfu is SE's new MMORPG? I wouldn't want to go back to that type of playstyle -_-;


Edited, Jun 7th 2011 2:23pm by RedGalka
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So far SE has not said a word about ff14 in E3, are they going to keep it in the closet like a red haired step son, till the hair changes from red to white?

As for the line up Deus EX only one that has my attention, the rest not really.

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 8:18am by TwiddleDee
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Wow, ranked down for not liking FFXIII. The shame of it. =(
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Hey don't look at me, I steer clear of the stupid karma system.

I'm not sure whether they consider Wakfu to be this third MMO they recently talked about, if it is i'll be disappointed.

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So far SE has not said a word about ff14 in E3, are they going to keep it in the closet like a red haired step son, till the hair changes from red to white?


Haha, seems like that's exactly what they're doing. Hopefully when TGS rolls around the game will be in a good state (lol) and they might start talking about it's future.
#12 Jun 07 2011 at 6:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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FFXIII wasn't a bad game at all, not the best but still at least on par with general industry standards. Just not FF standards. (EDIT: thought i should add, i have absolutely no idea how good or bad XIII-2 is going to be, some parts look pretty cool, like riding on odin's back zapping bahamut, and then there's the giant robot arm coming out of nowhere..)

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 7:56am by Dlaqev


All opinion based. In my opinion, it was pretty poor even by general industry standards. Heck, I have a hard time even considering it a true RPG with how unbelievably linear and limited most of the game was. Again though, that's an opinion and everyones is different.

I guess I just long for the days when E3 was this epic event where everything was new a fresh. Now, it's crap like sequels of sub-par games, more Call of Duty (really Xbox, that's what you lead off with, a cross-platform game?), and it just doesn't seem like anything is new and exciting. Obviously it's not just SE, but this is a thread about SE's E3 so hence my cynicism.

And yes, I realize it's hard to be "fresh and new" nowadays when everything has already been done, but it would at least be nice to see some new lines of games instead of the same old rehashed junk we've seen year after year.

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 8:52am by BartelX
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To be honest, E3 in general has been pretty tame compared to the last few years. Microsofts event was just a giant Kinectgasm, Sony just officially anounced what we already knew, and Nintendo have never been that great at surprises.
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Microsoft's event was embarrassingly bad, the kids on stage playing kinect made me feel a bit sick with shame for owning an Xbox.

But yeah, opinions etc etc.
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Wakfu is SE's new MMORPG? I wouldn't want to go back to that type of playstyle -_-;


Edited, Jun 7th 2011 2:23pm by RedGalka


Wakfu is probably not the new MMO they announced they were working on a few weeks ago. First its not developed by SE, and second it had been announced quite a while before that.
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Dlaqev wrote:
Microsoft's event was embarrassingly bad, the kids on stage playing kinect made me feel a bit sick with shame for owning an Xbox.

But yeah, opinions etc etc.


Xbox owner here too.

Halo 4 (and 5 and 6)

Holy ****.

Horse. Dead. Flog.
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BartelX wrote:
Dlaqev wrote:
FFXIII wasn't a bad game at all, not the best but still at least on par with general industry standards. Just not FF standards. (EDIT: thought i should add, i have absolutely no idea how good or bad XIII-2 is going to be, some parts look pretty cool, like riding on odin's back zapping bahamut, and then there's the giant robot arm coming out of nowhere..)

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 7:56am by Dlaqev


All opinion based. In my opinion, it was pretty poor even by general industry standards. Heck, I have a hard time even considering it a true RPG with how unbelievably linear and limited most of the game was. Again though, that's an opinion and everyones is different.

I guess I just long for the days when E3 was this epic event where everything was new a fresh. Now, it's crap like sequels of sub-par games, more Call of Duty (really Xbox, that's what you lead off with, a cross-platform game?), and it just doesn't seem like anything is new and exciting. Obviously it's not just SE, but this is a thread about SE's E3 so hence my cynicism.

And yes, I realize it's hard to be "fresh and new" nowadays when everything has already been done, but it would at least be nice to see some new lines of games instead of the same old rehashed junk we've seen year after year.

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 8:52am by BartelX


E3 is supposed to be an industry hype/release party yeah, and its completely awesome when theres innovation. Sadly things have plateaued off for the most part, We aren't seeing new technology or vast improvements, so even if its a sequel or not, its nothing really new.

I know I haven't cared about E3 other than it being the time when game X I'm waiting for has a gameplay trailer and starts to see more updates since 2004. I don't think games have been that competitive since the Xbox/PS2 days, Or maybe I'm just being nostalgic because I was 19 and taking joke college classes and could spend 80 hours a week with a controller in my hand.
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They're going to make a sequel to the worst game of the entire franchise? Yup, sounds like SE. Any bets on how long till a real game company buys SE out?
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They're going to make a sequel to the worst game of the entire franchise?
Mystic Quest? Final Fantasy 2? All the Gameboy iterations? Tactics Advanced? We could debate anything between seven through fourteen as well, as plenty of people feel those were pretty bad. It wasn't great, but thirteen was hardly the worst.
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I know I haven't cared about E3 other than it being the time when game X I'm waiting for has a gameplay trailer and starts to see more updates since 2004. I don't think games have been that competitive since the Xbox/PS2 days, Or maybe I'm just being nostalgic because I was 19 and taking joke college classes and could spend 80 hours a week with a controller in my hand.


That...makes a lot of sense. I must just be much more jaded and cynical than I used to be... or just older and uglier. Either way.

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Mystic Quest? Final Fantasy 2? All the Gameboy iterations? Tactics Advanced? We could debate anything between seven through fourteen as well, as plenty of people feel those were pretty bad. It wasn't great, but thirteen was hardly the worst.


Certainly not the worst. But definitely not worthy of a sequel. Then again, they made X-2 as well. Honestly, I don't think they've ever made an FF sequel game I've liked. Hated Crisis Core, hated X-2, hated Tactics Advanced, hated Dirge of Cerberus. I haven't played the new Dissidia but then again I haven't played the first one either (something I hope to remedy soon).

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#21 Jun 07 2011 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Caia wrote:
They're going to make a sequel to the worst game of the entire franchise?
Mystic Quest? Final Fantasy 2? All the Gameboy iterations? Tactics Advanced? We could debate anything between seven through fourteen as well, as plenty of people feel those were pretty bad. It wasn't great, but thirteen was hardly the worst.


13 was easily the worst, are you mad? The only FF game where its generally common for people to say they didn't finish it. It's a hallway with mirrors and hilariously bad characters. Holy crap we can debate the others but 13 was the worst. (X-2 a close 2nd)
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They're going to make a sequel to the worst game of the entire franchise?
Mystic Quest? Final Fantasy 2? All the Gameboy iterations? Tactics Advanced? We could debate anything between seven through fourteen as well, as plenty of people feel those were pretty bad. It wasn't great, but thirteen was hardly the worst.


13 was easily the worst, are you mad? The only FF game where its generally common for people to say they didn't finish it. It's a hallway with mirrors and hilariously bad characters. Holy crap we can debate the others but 13 was the worst. (X-2 a close 2nd)


Opinions are like assholes...
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lolgaxe wrote:
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They're going to make a sequel to the worst game of the entire franchise?
Mystic Quest? Final Fantasy 2? All the Gameboy iterations? Tactics Advanced? We could debate anything between seven through fourteen as well, as plenty of people feel those were pretty bad. It wasn't great, but thirteen was hardly the worst.


Final Fantasy 2 for Snes? Cecil game? Was awesome >.>
Final Fantasy 1 & 3 for Gameboy were amazing <.<

You made me lol a lot but now you just make me cry.
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Final Fantasy 2 for Snes?
No, that was 4.
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I'm pretty sure if there were an announcement or presentation at E3, most people would say "Oh, that game's still around? Wow." Of course they're not going to shout from the rooftops about a game that's arguably been SE's worst and most prolonged embarrassment to date.
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RedGalka wrote:
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They're going to make a sequel to the worst game of the entire franchise?
Mystic Quest? Final Fantasy 2? All the Gameboy iterations? Tactics Advanced? We could debate anything between seven through fourteen as well, as plenty of people feel those were pretty bad. It wasn't great, but thirteen was hardly the worst.


Final Fantasy 2 for Snes? Cecil game? Was awesome >.>
Final Fantasy 1 & 3 for Gameboy were amazing <.<

You made me lol a lot but now you just make me cry.


the point being we could spend a decade debating which FF game is the worst in the series because if there is one thing many FF fans have difficulty doing it's objectively viewing and making criticisms on any game in the series

this is where those debates usually belong I'd rather we not get one started here

Edit: Also, god damnit Gaben, EPISODE 3 ******, C'MON

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 12:53pm by LemmingKingXXX
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#27 Jun 07 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
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Final Fantasy 2 for Snes?
No, that was 4.


I thought that was 5? I thought FF2/5, FF3/6 (NA/JP).

On that topic, I've never understood why people always have to use the JP numbers for the games when they are talking about them here. Yeah, we all know there were games in between that weren't initially released in the US. I'd just so much rather be able to say FF3 (meaning the 3rd NA installment) because that's what it says on my SNES cartridge. It doesn't say FF6, so why are we overly complicating it? Why not just make the stipulation of FF2/3/4(JP)?

I don't even know why that bugs me, but it always does.
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2/4, 5/skipped, 3/6.

I actually find the US release numbers more irritating. 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 5 real2 and real3 at some point, etc etc.
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I'm looking forward to Dead Island.

Final Fantasy lost it's touch after X, X-2 meh. Nothing after XI was worth buying. Still haven't decided if XIV is. I'm not getting excited yet.
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ffxiii was fairly good i would say, reason it did so poorly was most of the content that would of made it top of the class was cut on the dev. floor to fit it in to 4 discs for x-box. if SE keeps xiii-2 ps3 only i would strongly argue that it will in fact make up for the short comings of it's predecessor. as for 14 it will only be an embarrassment IF SE is unable to fix it before 1st year is up. only reason 14 is not attracting people as it should be is that a minority of people that are unhappy wright big long opinions that are barely valid, and most people bit the hook. instead of trying out the game it self. if you believe in every review of a movie, book, game you would be missing out on 80% of the stuff out there because there will always be people to bash.
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2/4, 5/skipped, 3/6.

I actually find the US release numbers more irritating. 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 5 real2 and real3 at some point, etc etc.


I would have gone for the JP numbers as well but you wrote Mystic Quest (Snes) right before FF2.
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2/4, 5/skipped, 3/6.

I actually find the US release numbers more irritating. 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 5 real2 and real3 at some point, etc etc.


I suppose it's just because I can look at my copy of FF3 and just really want that to be the third, since I really didn't like the actual 3rd installment. Or maybe I'm just crazy. The world may never know.
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They're going to make a sequel to the worst game of the entire franchise?

They've got to make one just so I can get some kind of closure from the stupid #@@ ending of the original. Though it will probably just end up creating more holes in the damned plot/story and then I'll have to wait for whatever comes after that one. :-(
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Personally speaking, I didn't find FFXIII to be all that bad. It certainly isn't the best, but it's definitely not the worst. I mean, FFII is one of my most favorite FF games, but I can say it's definitely worse than FFXIII if we try to look at it in as an objective manner as possible. I also think the battle system has some good ideas, such as magic actually being useful in regular battles and debuffs actually working on bosses.
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This is very simple. They need to get as much money out of the Crystal Tools Engine as possible and re-using art assets from 13 to go for a new cash grab makes a lot of sense from a business perspective.

...Creatively... heh.
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Personally speaking, I didn't find FFXIII to be all that bad. It certainly isn't the best, but it's definitely not the worst. I mean, FFII is one of my most favorite FF games, but I can say it's definitely worse than FFXIII if we try to look at it in as an objective manner as possible. I also think the battle system has some good ideas, such as magic actually being useful in regular battles and debuffs actually working on bosses.


And now, because of the whole NA/JP thing, I have to ask... do you mean FF2 as in FF2/4? With Cecil? If so, I whole-heartedly disagree with you that it is in any way, shape or form worse than FF13. FF13 to me brought nothing new to the table other than a slightly unique battle system that was just a bit more strategic (one of the few interesting things about the game I thought).
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Personally speaking, I didn't find FFXIII to be all that bad. It certainly isn't the best, but it's definitely not the worst. I mean, FFII is one of my most favorite FF games, but I can say it's definitely worse than FFXIII if we try to look at it in as an objective manner as possible. I also think the battle system has some good ideas, such as magic actually being useful in regular battles and debuffs actually working on bosses.


And now, because of the whole NA/JP thing, I have to ask... do you mean FF2 as in FF2/4? With Cecil? If so, I whole-heartedly disagree with you that it is in any way, shape or form worse than FF13. FF13 to me brought nothing new to the table other than a slightly unique battle system that was just a bit more strategic (one of the few interesting things about the game I thought).

This is all a matter of perspective and opinion. While I would agree that there are no components of FFXIII that are in and of themselves groundbreaking, I thought that the characters were extremely well flushed out even if the story they found themselves in was not particularly spectacular. I personally greatly appreciated the growth and development we saw in each and every one of the characters in that game. No small number of people seem to really dislike the characters in FFXIII, so your mileage may vary, but while most of the characters started out as huge caricatures (Sazh anyone?), each filled out as the game progressed into incredibly robust, multi-dimensional characters (with some exceptions I won't speak of).

Pretty much, there will always be people who really love games that everyone else hated. With any luck, they'll take the little gems in FFXIII and plant them in fertile soil in FFXIII-2 and allow them to flourish.
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This is all a matter of perspective and opinion. While I would agree that there are no components of FFXIII that are in and of themselves groundbreaking, I thought that the characters were extremely well flushed out even if the story they found themselves in was not particularly spectacular. I personally greatly appreciated the growth and development we saw in each and every one of the characters in that game. No small number of people seem to really dislike the characters in FFXIII, so your mileage may vary, but while most of the characters started out as huge caricatures (Sazh anyone?), each filled out as the game progressed into incredibly robust, multi-dimensional characters (with some exceptions I won't speak of).

Pretty much, there will always be people who really love games that everyone else hated. With any luck, they'll take the little gems in FFXIII and plant them in fertile soil in FFXIII-2 and allow them to flourish.


Yep, pretty much everything is opinion based. I just posted my response because Auruelis said that from a purely objective point of view he thought 13 was better than 2... and well, that's not really an objective comment. It's an opinion, much like mine. The one thing I will say is that I rarely see a FF game catch as much flack from the fanbase as FF13 has. Of course, that doesn't mean it's good or bad from an objective standpoint, just that there are seemingly a lot more people who consider it a poor FF game in general.
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#40 Jun 07 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
Ya, it's hard to bring up XIV at E3 when the game is still active on the PC. Look at what we plan to do on the PS3 over the next year, but uhhh don't try the PC version as it is right now. Besides, I think they'll try to unveil it at a Japanese show rather than here at E3.
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Dunno about FF specifically, and internet info pending... the Wii U (horrid name) looks amazingly perfect for a current MMO. Skillsets on the controller OR go take a 2 hour dump and play while your anti-gaming spouse pounds on the door NOT because they can't watch their fav show but because they ate the same rotten fast food you did.
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#42 Jun 07 2011 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I think all the old school game releases are great. Would love it if I could get them on PS3 without a PSP - oh well. The success of the older titles should persuade SE to give us an oldschool overhead installment. I would love to play and enjoy FFXV, but the whole direction things went (starting and progressing from 7) with overdetailed backdrops and whatnot. I'd like to have a not too overwhelming (with 30 min cinematics) classic and well produced RPG where I save the princess/world from the demonlord/dragon. I'll pass on the lazerbeams, utter hopelessness and despair, and feminine boy heros. Bring back honour and virtue.

Another thing I would like to see is remakes of FFIV and FFXIV, in a 3d environment from the XI or XIV engine. Someone also mentioned the gameboy FFs. I'm not sure if you meant the remakes, but the neglected original FF (Legend) gameboy games were pretty good. I would love to see a high def remake of FFLegendIII.
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#43 Jun 07 2011 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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That's not Tidus, some new female character. And the thing is a Moogle.

In fact watching the trailer, the other new character, "Noel", has a Moogle following him.
Maybe used in battle? Hmm, interesting.


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#44 Jun 07 2011 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think the reason why I hated FFXIII and why I definitely won't be getting XIII-2 is because I can't relate.

As a teen I related with some of the JP culture and style, but I can't now. The writing and acting in FFXIII was objectively horrible and offensive to me; it was beyond campy. The summons were cheesy and rip-offs of the mega-hit Transformers, the battle system was boring and it wasn't as immersive the way past FFs were. The opening theme was the best song and the rest was unmemorable. Please don't mention the chocobo song.

A big part of FFs to me was to be able to place my imagination to fill in the characters and scenes. By making these games essentially movies, they've gotten rid of that immersion.

With FFXIV being as bad as it was and the rumors of FFXIII's Xbox fiasco, really have turned me off to SE.

And since FFXIII-2 looks just like it's predecessor, I'll have to say. <No, Thanks>

BTW I loved Deus EX, but that game was original for it's time. An American cyberpunk game that was equal parts stealth, action and detective work seems (once again) to be watered down to be a Splinter Cell game. I guess I'll wait for the reviews...
#45 Jun 07 2011 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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scotchio wrote:


That's not Tidus, some new female character. And the thing is a Moogle.

In fact watching the trailer, the other new character, "Noel", has a Moogle following him.
Maybe used in battle? Hmm, interesting.


New Trailer

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 5:59pm by scotchio

Sucks about Lightning. Thinking I'll let some of you buy it on release day and see what the consensus is.
#46 Jun 07 2011 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I could easily bear the teenage angst and cliched "I'm so emo! I can't do anything" "YOU CAN DO IT!" "Oh okay sure lets go!" EVERY OTHER cutscene, I could happily handle the linearity and lack of towns, I could just about let slide the FMV's looked like a youtube video on the 360 version.

But I think the main thing that stopped me from completing XIII is the terrible battle system. The fact they felt the necessity to put an "Auto-Battle" button in, just goes to show how one-dimensional the battle system was. It's like they decided to scrap strategy and focus the whole game on paradigm shifts, which were ALWAYS the same.

I can just about bear this in normal battles, but mindlessly shifting, and tapping auto-battle for an hour straight in a boss battle - only to be killed by doom at 5% - is just not fun in any way at all. And unlike other games, because of the dull battle system, leveling up real high and making the game turn to easymode was too depressing to consider.

The games assets made me want to play on, the music and art was incredible. The story, although not the greatest, was captivating. I was intruiged to see the spectacular finale, but the game physically wouldn't let me continue. I just wasn't willing to sit there for another hour, praying I wouldn't get doomed and lose again every single boss battle.

However I cautiously am excited to see they've thought about it, and although its just a blatant tacked on feature, the addition of Quick Time Events in battle might spice things up just a little bit and could be a sign of other things to come.

Oh, and on another note, intruigingly if you look closely at the FFXIII-2 E3 trailer, on the copyrite small print at the end, it has Kinect copyrite listed for some reason...
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scotchio wrote:


That's not Tidus, some new female character. And the thing is a Moogle.

In fact watching the trailer, the other new character, "Noel", has a Moogle following him.
Maybe used in battle? Hmm, interesting.


New Trailer

Edited, Jun 7th 2011 5:59pm by scotchio


Wow, that's the first time I actually watched the trailer and all I have to say is... I will most assuredly not be getting this. It just reminds me so much of X-2, and that game was just awful. It looks like 1 giant cinematic... oh wait, that's basically what XIII was too so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I'm just wondering when they're going to remove the gameplay completely from these games and just make them a giant CG orgy.

I apologize to the fans of XIII, but I really think that trailer was awful.
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#48 Jun 07 2011 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:
Hulan wrote:

This is all a matter of perspective and opinion. While I would agree that there are no components of FFXIII that are in and of themselves groundbreaking, I thought that the characters were extremely well flushed out even if the story they found themselves in was not particularly spectacular. I personally greatly appreciated the growth and development we saw in each and every one of the characters in that game. No small number of people seem to really dislike the characters in FFXIII, so your mileage may vary, but while most of the characters started out as huge caricatures (Sazh anyone?), each filled out as the game progressed into incredibly robust, multi-dimensional characters (with some exceptions I won't speak of).

Pretty much, there will always be people who really love games that everyone else hated. With any luck, they'll take the little gems in FFXIII and plant them in fertile soil in FFXIII-2 and allow them to flourish.


Yep, pretty much everything is opinion based. I just posted my response because Auruelis said that from a purely objective point of view he thought 13 was better than 2... and well, that's not really an objective comment. It's an opinion, much like mine. The one thing I will say is that I rarely see a FF game catch as much flack from the fanbase as FF13 has. Of course, that doesn't mean it's good or bad from an objective standpoint, just that there are seemingly a lot more people who consider it a poor FF game in general.


First of all, I'm talking about the real FF2, not FF4. Second of all, I never said from a "purely objective point of view." I said, "in as an objective manner as possible" meaning that it isn't going to be 100% objective, because it, obviously, can't be "purely objective."
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#49 Jun 07 2011 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe it's just been a while, but doesn't WAKFU look exactly like Dofus? I think they even used alot of the same names for the classes and spells. I did love Dofus though, until it went P2P. I love tactical RPGs. I'm currently playing Front Mission 4 again...
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Opinions are opinions for which FF is better.
But to the person who implied they wondered who SE would sell the FF franchise to make the series great again.
There is a recent article on the FF franchise being one of like 5 franchises to surpass 100 million boxes sold. So not many companies could afford to buy the franchise. And doesn't matter if you think 13 is the worst FF in franchise history. It sold more copies than XII and a few other FF.
So I don't see SE selling the FF franchise. But If in your opinion you think SE can't make good games anymore, well no one forcing you to play them. Just saying....

Anyways there is person who played a 15min demo of XIII-2 and posted on 1up with a blog. And he said at least with Noel Kreiss(The young new guy in XIII-2) You can make a choice in the story on what path you want to take. Is that good or bad? You decide, but that's pretty new to the console FF.
#51 Jun 07 2011 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good
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I would love to say FFXIII-2 is being made because they realized they made what could have been an interesting game world that deserves to be explored and fleshed out, but instead gave a rather forgettable plot. But I think they may be making it because SE was still arrogant enough to feel people would buy their games regardless and they already had the models and they're trying to squeeze cash out of crystal tools.

To defend ffxIII yet again though, I'll say that yes, its a far stretch from FF games. However, if you compare it with other 2010 releases, I bet its better than most of them. I'm not just saying compare it with the game of the year competitor releases from that year, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_in_video_gaming and count how many games were objectively better than it, released on the same systems. Maybe I'm just getting older and more easy going, or maybe this is just the internet and people only have black and white feelings where things are the best or the worst. Really, I think more people (again, especially on the internet) need to understand that because you don't like something, does not mean it objectively sucked.
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