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#1 Jun 24 2011 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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So does anyone else think SE is going so slow with patching content because the PS4 is sopposed to come out next year. Thoughts?
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#2 Jun 24 2011 at 5:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Quite a possibility. That would solve all the memory problems they have with the PS3 port.
Besides, having a MMO ready for the launch of a next-gen platform (with no competitors in sight) = win.
#3 Jun 24 2011 at 5:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I doubt it.

Right now, Sony probably doesn't even have a launch for PS4 in mind for the near future.

Is it in development? Likely. But Sony seems focused on their plan of a ten-year life cycle for their consoles. Which if they're smart, they'll push back to a 15-year cycle. Who can really afford new hardware when developers haven't really even pushed the technical limits of this generation.

Especially with the launch of Playstation Vita, it's unlikely Sony would bear the financial load of launching two new pieces of hardware too close together. Chances are, they want to see where this whole cloud this goes before talking about a
PS4.

Also, there is absolutely no reason why SE would absorb such a financial loss in order to launch in tandem with someone else's product.

Especially since Sony would be insane to play up XIV as a launch title. It would be glazed over by essentially everyone but folks on fansites like this with a sort of "ok, and?" thyme attitude.

Truth is, it's taken this long for the real updates because SE released a shell of a game and the new development team has had to create Frankenstein's Monster here and build something from dead parts.


Edited, Jun 24th 2011 7:51am by Sephrick
#4 Jun 24 2011 at 6:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Sephrick wrote:
I doubt it.
Is it in development? Likely. But Sony seems focused on their plan of a ten-year life cycle for their consoles. Which if they're smart, they'll push back to a 15-year cycle. Who can really afford new hardware when developers haven't really even pushed the technical limits of this generation.
Edited, Jun 24th 2011 7:51am by Sephrick


I am a little confused on what you mean by 10 year life cycle plan.

US Dates:
PS1 came out Sep of 1995
PS2 came out Oct of 2000
PS3 came out Nov of 2006

Thats around every 5 years were getting close to the 6 year mark. Something has to be coming.
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#6 Jun 24 2011 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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Well, two of EA's partners are supposedly developing on the Xbox 720 SDK and it's chalked up for a 2012 release date. If the PS4 is coming would Sony have given SE an SDK over a year ago (at least), also considering SE has recently started developing it's FF titles for the Xbox, no longer making them PS only would they geet on in the first place?

And in all honestly, would Sony want a game tied to the PS4 launch that had a disastrous PC launch.

I doubt it.

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#7 Jun 24 2011 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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Demilia wrote:
Sephrick wrote:
I doubt it.
Is it in development? Likely. But Sony seems focused on their plan of a ten-year life cycle for their consoles. Which if they're smart, they'll push back to a 15-year cycle. Who can really afford new hardware when developers haven't really even pushed the technical limits of this generation.
Edited, Jun 24th 2011 7:51am by Sephrick


I am a little confused on what you mean by 10 year life cycle plan.

US Dates:
PS1 came out Sep of 1995
PS2 came out Oct of 2000
PS3 came out Nov of 2006

Thats around every 5 years were getting close to the 6 year mark. Something has to be coming.


It's what Sony has been saying since they released the PS3. If you notice, PS2 and PS3 did over lap, but it wasn't until around 2010 that they finally put PS2 to bed and stopped even talking about it.

Yes, their initial development cycle did seem to be five years, but it's Sony themselves saying they want their systems to be developed for, for ten years.

Aside from Nintendo, who is finally joining this generation with Wii U, I doubt either Microsoft or Sony will announce anything about a new console until E32012. And even then, it may be another year till they're talking release dates. Granted, XBox360 has a year on PS3, so they may be thinking sooner than later.

But in today's economic climate, consumers don't have the disposable income for new hardware, and the big three know that.
#8 Jun 24 2011 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Sephrick wrote:
Demilia wrote:
Sephrick wrote:
I doubt it.
Is it in development? Likely. But Sony seems focused on their plan of a ten-year life cycle for their consoles. Which if they're smart, they'll push back to a 15-year cycle. Who can really afford new hardware when developers haven't really even pushed the technical limits of this generation.
Edited, Jun 24th 2011 7:51am by Sephrick


I am a little confused on what you mean by 10 year life cycle plan.

US Dates:
PS1 came out Sep of 1995
PS2 came out Oct of 2000
PS3 came out Nov of 2006

Thats around every 5 years were getting close to the 6 year mark. Something has to be coming.


It's what Sony has been saying since they released the PS3. If you notice, PS2 and PS3 did over lap, but it wasn't until around 2010 that they finally put PS2 to bed and stopped even talking about it.

Yes, their initial development cycle did seem to be five years, but it's Sony themselves saying they want their systems to be developed for, for ten years.

Aside from Nintendo, who is finally joining this generation with Wii U, I doubt either Microsoft or Sony will announce anything about a new console until E32012. And even then, it may be another year till they're talking release dates. Granted, XBox360 has a year on PS3, so they may be thinking sooner than later.

But in today's economic climate, consumers don't have the disposable income for new hardware, and the big three know that.


They said the same thing about the PS2. But I still don't think we will see anything from Sony untill E3 2013 at best. And I would bet that it would not come out until 2014.

One thing Sony has going for them is the fact that Nintendo has already shown the hand they have to play and everything I have been reading is saying that it dose not have much more power than the PS3 if not a bit less power infact.

Also rumor has it that Microsoft already has dev kits out so I would say we will see the next XBox at E3 2012. Sony could stand back let the 10 year life play out for the PS3 and come out veary strong at E3 2015 with a true next gen PS4 and destroy Nintendo and Microsoft.

But then Sony runs the risk of devs not wanting to work on the system having already put 2 years or so into Nintendo and Microsoft. So you never really know. We could see the PS4 next year with a 2013 ship date.
#9 Jun 24 2011 at 8:53 AM Rating: Default
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I dunno, the PS3 has been the lamest PS system and lamest "next gen" system to date (in terms of market share), and given the new handheld supposedly has the processing power of the PS3 they're really gonna need to convince me and other PS3-less gamers to buy an expensive console system that has the fewest games on the market and unstable, insecure on-line play. If I were Sony I'd be banking on a PS4 ASAP.

I'm interested in the PS3, but at this point I'm really hesitant to buy. The Wii has lots of fun games, and if I want more mature, pretty games I'd buy the 360, which the PS3 simply has failed to outdo except in a few cases of rather uninspiring games (ie, FFXIII running on one disk instead of 123412341). The 360 also has tons of RPGs, which I would have previously considered to be the sole domain of Sony. There also haven't been any great survival horror exclusives for the PS3.

I dunno, I'm obviously not a console expert. I'm just giving the POV of a gamer who doesn't generally leap on next-gen technology, which is the only remaining market that Sony has to penetrate (at this point, gamers with loads of discretionary income have already made their console purchases). The PS3 looks fun, I'd love to play a few of its exclusive titles, but I'm scared it'd be a wasted investment, while the 360, which I never wanted to win (I do like Sony), just seems like the better bet.

If Sony released a new console that was only $100-$150 more than the current gen (and backwards compatible with the PS3), I'd totally buy it. And I'm pretty cheap.
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#10 Jun 24 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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PS4 is not sopposed to come out next year

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#11 Jun 24 2011 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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having a MMO ready for the launch of a next-gen platform (with no competitors in sight) = win.


That is totally true. Unfortunately, there's no PS4 in sight, and SE is not smart enough to try a strategy like the one mentioned above.

FFXIV will probably be ready for PS3 launch once the PS4 comes out, making the game an even less attractive option all around, curtailing whatever hype it may have generated, and plaguing it with last-generation limitations from the very start. At least they learned a lot from FFXI...
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#12 Jun 24 2011 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
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There won't be a PS4 next year, 2014 would be my best guess. The 10 year life cycle will be in full effect, but with only 2 years of overlap instead of 4 like the previous systems. If you think about it, the major point of ps2 -> ps3 was HD upgrades and building a network infrastructure.

What possibly could the PS4 bring that a firmware cannot bring to ps3? Yes, there could be an increase in graphical power, but this is a board for FFXIV, and considering the same source engine powered FFXIII and FFXIV I don't think that horsepower has anything to do with waiting for a ps4 to release FFXIV.

Not that this adds much cred to me or anything, but I've worked in the gaming industry's business side for a while and based on Sony's current motives (promote PS Vita, push PS3 Software), and the rumored price drop (makes sense, they re-designed the unit in japan to cut costs), I don't see them planning for a 2012 release.
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#13 Jun 24 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
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A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs. I suspect it's why the world of FFXIV is so staggeringly empty, and why almost all quests are essentially instanced.

AFAIK FFXIII and FFXIV have shown the PS3's design limitations--it just can't handle a rich, open world with the level of graphical quality that SE demands.
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A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs. I suspect it's why the world of FFXIV is so staggeringly empty, and why almost all quests are essentially instanced.

AFAIK FFXIII and FFXIV have shown the PS3's design limitations--it just can't handle a rich, open world with the level of graphical quality that SE demands.


Purchase and instal a bigger hard drive, at the moment my PS3 has 500GB memory which is plenty.

FFXIV slow upcoming is do to.... well i honestly don't know, though am sure is has nothing to do with mythical consoles which are not announced yet. How ever i will assume the slow speed could be associate with SE testing new content for PC and PS3 at the same time


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#15 Jun 24 2011 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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yfaithfully wrote:
A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs. I suspect it's why the world of FFXIV is so staggeringly empty, and why almost all quests are essentially instanced.

AFAIK FFXIII and FFXIV have shown the PS3's design limitations--it just can't handle a rich, open world with the level of graphical quality that SE demands.


More of a reason for SE to ditch Sony and make this game PC only, where it can shine, and benefit from less development time and a more focused code base. It would cost SE less to maintain as well.
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reptiletim wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs. I suspect it's why the world of FFXIV is so staggeringly empty, and why almost all quests are essentially instanced.

AFAIK FFXIII and FFXIV have shown the PS3's design limitations--it just can't handle a rich, open world with the level of graphical quality that SE demands.


More of a reason for SE to ditch Sony and make this game PC only, where it can shine, and benefit from less development time and a more focused code base. It would cost SE less to maintain as well.


And leave us happy PS3 owners in the ditch?

And sure, the game really shines on PC.
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#17 Jun 24 2011 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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It's starting to feel a bit like Twilight Princess with GC and Wii. Maybe they'll release it on both?
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#18 Jun 24 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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TwiddleDee wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs. I suspect it's why the world of FFXIV is so staggeringly empty, and why almost all quests are essentially instanced.

AFAIK FFXIII and FFXIV have shown the PS3's design limitations--it just can't handle a rich, open world with the level of graphical quality that SE demands.


Purchase and instal a bigger hard drive, at the moment my PS3 has 500GB memory which is plenty.


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TwiddleDee wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs.
Purchase and instal a bigger hard drive, at the moment my PS3 has 500GB memory which is plenty.
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#20 Jun 24 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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TwiddleDee wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs. I suspect it's why the world of FFXIV is so staggeringly empty, and why almost all quests are essentially instanced.

AFAIK FFXIII and FFXIV have shown the PS3's design limitations--it just can't handle a rich, open world with the level of graphical quality that SE demands.
Purchase and instal a bigger hard drive, at the moment my PS3 has 500GB memory which is plenty.
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#21 Jun 24 2011 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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The magic picture box confuses you, doesn't it.


Pictures don't move - it's a people box...! @_@
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reptiletim wrote:
yfaithfully wrote:
A firmware update can't bring more memory, which is what the PS3 desperately needs. I suspect it's why the world of FFXIV is so staggeringly empty, and why almost all quests are essentially instanced.

AFAIK FFXIII and FFXIV have shown the PS3's design limitations--it just can't handle a rich, open world with the level of graphical quality that SE demands.


More of a reason for SE to ditch Sony and make this game PC only, where it can shine, and benefit from less development time and a more focused code base. It would cost SE less to maintain as well.


And leave us happy PS3 owners in the ditch?

And sure, the game really shines on PC.


Yep! Never said it did shine on PC, just that it could... well, the chances are better if it didn't have to shoulder the weight of being developed for two platforms at once.

I'm not going to apologize for your ****** console. Besides Sony lost my respect when they first pulled hardware backwards compatibility, then they pulled Linux support and sued the guys who attempted to re-enable it, then used the courts to get IP addresses of everyone who watched the youtube video of it being done, then they proved how incompetant they were in handling sensitive personal data, then lobbying the courts to prevent a class action suit in relation to said hackings, all while claiming the PS network was under maintenance... then there's stuff like Lik-Sang and whatnot...

Not to mention the technical shortfalling of the PS3 compared to modern PCs.

So in short, I trust the game to be better on PC than PS3 anyday.
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Time to back pedal, my bad fully. PS3 could use an upgrade from "Memory: 256 MB system and 256 MB video" that's for sure. More then likely will see a new version of PS3 with memory upgraded before a PS4.
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#24 Jun 24 2011 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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TwiddleDee wrote:
Time to back pedal, my bad fully. PS3 could use an upgrade from "Memory: 256 MB system and 256 MB video" that's for sure. More then likely will see a new version of PS3 with memory upgraded before a PS4.
Highly doubt that. If the PS4 is coming out in 2012, I don't see them redoing the hardware of the PS3 this late in the game. Besides, all games have been written with an understanding of the 512 MB memory limit of the ps3, so you're not going to see any benefits out of a lot of games anyway.
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I loved being able to play FFXI from my ps2 HDD with no disk, I hope they can at the very least allow PS3 players the same. But I doubt they will wait to release this game until PS4 is out there, also I am very very curious to know just exactly how many people are at work on this game. At this point and time it sure would be great to know SE was not thinking unrealistic again or leaving the team understaffed. While I do still hold out hope they will fix this game, I think we all want to see a real Final Fantasy game come to life its all or nothing like what put them on the map in the begging.
#26 Jun 27 2011 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
SE would make so much money off this game if it got released on the ps3 and there would actually be a decent player base. The ps3 can handle this game now if they program it right and could even have decent load times by being able to fully install in harddrive. I would rather have SE make more money and more people to play with then whatever extras you think the ps3 port would hold the game back. Out of 70 million ps3 users im sure some would pick up ff14.
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I loved being able to play FFXI from my ps2 HDD with no disk, I hope they can at the very least allow PS3 players the same. But I doubt they will wait to release this game until PS4 is out there, also I am very very curious to know just exactly how many people are at work on this game. At this point and time it sure would be great to know SE was not thinking unrealistic again or leaving the team understaffed. While I do still hold out hope they will fix this game, I think we all want to see a real Final Fantasy game come to life its all or nothing like what put them on the map in the begging.


I fully agree and I've asked repeatedly for facts from the community related to the current size of the dev budget and team, but those numbers at this point don't seem to be out there.

In the next few days I'm going to make some updates to the ffxiv zam development team wiki if nobody gets to it first. It still lists Tanaka as the producer, with no mention of Yoshida or Matsui.
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