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#1 Jun 27 2011 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so patch 1.18 has gotten my interest again for 14 (and, well, some more free time at night).

And while I can play FFXI at standard settings, I'm still not in love with it.
I built a computer, that by all rights, should be able to handle FFXIV at almost top specs. But it won't...
I was reading over in the FFXI forums, about someone having a problem with Windows 7 and priority. Could this be a possiblity and... how do I tell?

I had a 2nd question, but I can't remember... I'll post it when I remember
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#2 Jun 27 2011 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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Its not a priority issue, its a coding issue on SE's end.

The game is DX9 and written poorly, thus it uses mostly CPU until medium high settings and then WRENCHES your GPU because of the poor coding.

Sorry, but even my:

i7 2600k
8gb 2133 corsair
DUAL ATI 5870s (2gb editions for 4gb total)
OCZ Veritex 3 SSD

cant even run it on full settings.
(Even though it runs EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. ON. THE. MARKET. at full settings.

No due fault of yours sir.
#3 Jun 27 2011 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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Here's the settings I use:
Display Mode: 1776x1000 (window) on 1920x1080 lcd
Multi-sampling: 4x
General Drawing: 8
Background Drawing: 4
Shadow Detail: High
Ambient Occlusion: Unchecked
Depth of Field: Unchecked
Disabled Cutscene Effects: Unchecked
Enable Hardware Cursor: Checked
Texture Quality: High
Texture Filtering: Highest

Here's my system:
i7 960 (stock speed)
12gb DDR3 (1066mhz ram)
SSD (cheap/old corsair one)
AMD Radeon HD 6870 (stock speeds)

FPS:~60 unless it's very crowed with dancing balloons or other effects like they have (snow at christmas)

I don't have priorities, set, but let us know what you have as well for those things and we can go from there ^^

Word of note:
Ambient Occlusion does not work like other games, which light the most important things, it actually lights every pixel in the dam scene, so while it's VERY nice to look at, hurts even a GTX580 (for the most part). So if you have Depth of field and ambient occlusion checked, uncheck both of those first and try again? :D

Cheers~!
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Like Final Fantasy XI, the game specs will be extremely high for the time, but in about 5 years, an average machine can run it on max settings with little to no issues. Tanaka also expressed interest in making a benchmark program available.

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#4 Jun 27 2011 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Finally found the quote from the dev team:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=18309

Quote:
Like Final Fantasy XI, the game specs will be extremely high for the time, but in about 5 years, an average machine can run it on max settings with little to no issues. Tanaka also expressed interest in making a benchmark program available.


In 5 years we will get max, with all the lighting and other goodies :P

Edited, Jun 27th 2011 5:05pm by Elionara
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Like Final Fantasy XI, the game specs will be extremely high for the time, but in about 5 years, an average machine can run it on max settings with little to no issues. Tanaka also expressed interest in making a benchmark program available.

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#5 Jun 27 2011 at 6:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dont know if this got fixed yet but yes, priority dropping does occur if you run XIV in Windowed mode. You can see by opening Windows Task Manager, going to the Processes tab, finding the XIV process and right click > set priority-- you will see its set to low. If you shunt it up, the next time XIV looses focus it will be put back down to low again.

Back in the Alpha, I wrote a VBScript that checked it was set to High every 10 seconds, and if it wasnt then reset it back to high. To be fair, it didnt make much of a difference really. I'm at work so can't give you it, but if you're interested drop me a PM and I'll send the script over to you to see if it helps any.
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#6 Jun 27 2011 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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Source Code:
https://secure.ffxiv-app.com/files/public/Priority_src.zip

Text Code:
http://pastebin.com/aTvrUDEF

Download:
https://secure.ffxiv-app.com/files/public/Priority.zip

Requirements:
  • .NET 2.0 at least (included in most Windows installs)
  • "MIGHT" have to run as admin.


To test the code you can download Visual Studio VB.NET Express here:
http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/visual-basic-express

Usuage:
  • Choose process (should be ###### - Final Fantasy XIV)
  • If you can't ever find it in there, I'll have it target ffxivgame.exe in an update
  • Time box is for amount of seconds between affinity resets.
  • Default is "AboveNormal" so it doesn't take precedence over AV and other system files.
  • Press start to start it, stop to stop :)


**Stop will set it to normal provided you havent changed the process in the drop down box)

If you minimize it, it goes to your system tray as a "favorite" star icon.

updated line 28 of code to this:
PIDSelect.Items.Add(Proc_PID(index).Id & " - " & Proc_PID(index).ProcessName & ".exe")
Only need to look for #### - ffxivgame.exe and select that instead :P

Edited, Jun 27th 2011 8:38pm by Elionara
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Like Final Fantasy XI, the game specs will be extremely high for the time, but in about 5 years, an average machine can run it on max settings with little to no issues. Tanaka also expressed interest in making a benchmark program available.

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#7 Jun 27 2011 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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Fixes for what the game should do on its own.

Pro Coding right there.
#8 Jun 28 2011 at 4:24 AM Rating: Decent
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My pc specs are:
AMD Phenom 2 BE x4 Stock @ 3.0/OCed @ 3.8 Stable
2x 2GB G.Skill DDR2 @ 1066Mhz/533Mhz Effective
2x Evga Nvidia GTX-460 1GB Factory OC @ 800MHz/ Current Stable OC @ 875Mhz
Antec CP-1000
ASrock K10N780SLIX3

my settings are:
Resolution: 1280x1024
Multi-Sampling: 8xCSAA
General Drawing Quality: 8
Background Drawing Quality: 5
Shadow Detail: Highest
AO:off
DoF:off-i don't like the way it peals off the incoming objects.
Texture Quality:High
Texture Filtering: Highest


Just so you know if you didn't

a General drawing quality over 8 is super sampling the image. at 9 its 1.5x your set resolution at 10 its 2x your set resolution. Super Sampling in FFXIV doesn't quite work well anyway as it causes static textures like trees and mountains to slightly expand and allows you to clip into them.

AO has a memory leak, plus its coded poorly...they should have just went with HDR instead.

any how the game is in dire need of Core patching and optimization...when or if that ever happens it should eliminate most of the Sound,Graphics and Control bugs.

#9 Jun 28 2011 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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Not defending SE particularly, but this is a Windows thing, not an XIV thing. Any window that doesnt have focus is dropped in priority, and it will return to normal when focus is established. The problem is that if you set it to above-normal or higher, then loose focus, then go back it resets to normal.

MS are to blame really.
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#10 Jul 04 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Kordain wrote:
Not defending SE particularly, but this is a Windows thing, not an XIV thing. Any window that doesnt have focus is dropped in priority, and it will return to normal when focus is established. The problem is that if you set it to above-normal or higher, then loose focus, then go back it resets to normal.

MS are to blame really.


I have other experience.
I set Taskmgr to stay in foreground and play the game windowed.
I set priority to normal or higer.
I change back focus to ffxiv -> priority drops to low

so why ?

#11 Jul 05 2011 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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Every time you change window focus, Windows will reevaluate priority. Setting Affinity, however, sticks. Only really usefull with quad/hexa core, though, but try it and see if it works.

Edit: For all I know, when you focus FFXIV, Windows may be setting Priority to a higher level. When you put it in the background by fiddling with Task Manager, it may be setting it to Low.



Edited, Jul 5th 2011 9:31am by Urste
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