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#1 Jul 02 2011 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys! I have been given a voucher from my insurance policy to buy a new laptop from either PC World or Currys and I was wondering if there was anything within a price range of £400 - £600 that could run FFXIV on medium settings?

It doesn't have to be perfect just run to a decently playable extent.

Heres a link to the websites:
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops-703-c.html
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops-315-c.html

Thanks for the help guys.

Hmm, I had a look and this looks decent. I don't know much about AMD CPU's though so I wonder if anyone could confirm anything for me.
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavilion-dv6-6001sa-15-6-laptop-white-09797915-pdt.html

Edited, Jul 2nd 2011 11:26am by wardy484
#2 Jul 02 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly, it'll probably be hard finding anything on either of those sites with anything other than a low end integrated graphics card, at least for your price range. That would be the biggest thing holding you back imo.
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#3 Jul 02 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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The make or break feature will be the onboard GPU. Mobile GPUs aren't nearly as powerful as the desktop counterparts - they just don't have the space or the heat dissipation. £600 is going to be the bare minimum to run the game on low settings I'd say. This is the cheapest I can find.

Laptops are not good for FFXIV; speaking from experience.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2011 1:36pm by bsphil
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#4 Jul 02 2011 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Laptops are not good for FFXIV; speaking from experience.


Yeah, it's going to be years before a "mid-range" laptop will run FFXIV in any acceptable state.
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#5 Jul 02 2011 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahh don't quite think I could stretch to £700 unless I magically find some work soon. I'll keep looking and get what I can.

How about this you guys think this might run it on lets say low - mid settings?
Oh **** I didn't post the link, here it is:
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/acer-aspire-5745dg-15-6-laptop-black-08702326-pdt.html

Edited, Jul 2nd 2011 3:17pm by wardy484

or.. let's say I was to sacrfice the portability I want would this do this trick (I understand its fairly low spec for the money I could easily build something faster but I will be using like £400 vouchers otherwise I would make it myself)
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavilion-slimline-s5780uk-black-08702380-pdt.html

Edited, Jul 2nd 2011 3:28pm by wardy484
#6 Jul 02 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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The 425M is a bit worse than the 540M which I linked to earlier, and even that was pretty low-end. I suppose it could run the game on the lowest possible settings, but I wouldn't make any promises regarding the framerate even at low settings.

That desktop is even worse. However, that'd be the way to go. Not that model specifically, but picking a desktop over a laptop. To be honest, the selection at PC World is awful. This is about as good as it gets for the price range. The HD 5770 is a decent mid-ranged card, but way better than any of your other options.

I hope you know the sh*tstorm you're trying to get into, FFXIV is really not worth the investment for the foreseeable future.



Edited, Jul 2nd 2011 2:41pm by bsphil
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#7 Jul 02 2011 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Well the investment isn't as such for the game, although I do wish to play it. I just want to get the best laptop/pc that I can do for the money that I would be paying.
#8 Jul 02 2011 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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In that case, I'd recommend the last desktop that I linked. Nice Phenom II x6 processor and the HD 5770 is very fair. It's refurbished, but that's the only way you're getting a good deal out of this.
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#9 Jul 02 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay well I'll have to consider whether I can really sacrifice the portability. I only require this since my long term girlfriend lives a fair distance away and I spend a lot of time jumping between homes but we'll see. Thanks for the advice though.
#10 Jul 03 2011 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, best of luck!

As a closing note I'll say that ideally you would build your own desktop and then buy a cheap but highly portable laptop to complement it. Emphasize the strengths of the two different styles of computing rather than trying to get one that does both (i.e.: a gaming laptop), because it will end up not being great at either and cost a premium. For as nice as my ASUS G73 was, it still struggled on newer games, while also not being very portable (very poor battery life, huge converter on the power cord, very heavy overall).

I recently put together a beast of a desktop for $800, and that's including an ATI HD 5870 which are increasingly rare these days. If you were to just go with a 6850 (a very fine card with lots of lifespan), you could cut the price down by upwards of $200. Complement that with a lightweight laptop that has a good battery life so you can still do most computing tasks on the go, and you'll end up spending less money than if you had just bought one gaming laptop to do everything.
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#11 Jul 04 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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KaneKitty wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Laptops are not good for FFXIV; speaking from experience.


Yeah, it's going to be years before a "mid-range" laptop will run FFXIV in any acceptable state.


I disagree. I bought a laptop a whole year ago specifically to play FFXIV on the move, and I've had no problems with it during beta and release. I did put it together myself on Sony's website but it still only cost me £600.. I wouldn't say it's particularly "high end" as gaming laptops go too, and I still play on medium settings!
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#12 Jul 05 2011 at 12:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I bought an Acer from newegg for $700 and it runs hours on end great at about 1/2 the settings on medium and 1/2 on high. The game runs great, smooth, and confortable, and I never have a problem. Anyone who tells you that you cannot reasonably find a laptop to play on the run, speaks out of pure ignorance.
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#13 Jul 05 2011 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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NoireFiction wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Laptops are not good for FFXIV; speaking from experience.


Yeah, it's going to be years before a "mid-range" laptop will run FFXIV in any acceptable state.


I disagree. I bought a laptop a whole year ago specifically to play FFXIV on the move, and I've had no problems with it during beta and release. I did put it together myself on Sony's website but it still only cost me £600.. I wouldn't say it's particularly "high end" as gaming laptops go too, and I still play on medium settings!


I play on an ASUS G73 laptop and run the game on high settings @ 1080 with a great framerate. That being said, bsphil wasn't far off the mark: generally speaking, laptops and FFXIV don't mix well. If you want / need a laptop for gaming, you should go big or don't go at all. The last thing you want to do is spend $700 (US) on a laptop that you use as a paperweight when a few hundred $$$ more would get you the kind of performance you need.

There's better technical discussions in the sub-forums here at ZAM (see technical section), but I can personally vouch for the ASUS G73. I consider that laptop as the bottom rung of "high-end" laptops, but it gets the job done.
#14 May 07 2012 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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would this be able to run FFXIV smoothly on medium settings?
Digital Storm xm15 Laptop
Processor:Intel Core i7 3610QM (2.3 GHz Turbo Mode to 3.3Ghz) (Quad Core) (6MB Cache)
Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz
Hard Drive: 750GB 7200RPM (SATA 3Gb/s)
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M 1GB with NVIDIA Optimus Technology

I appreciate the Help.
Thanks!
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#15 May 07 2012 at 2:48 AM Rating: Decent
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would this be able to run FFXIV smoothly on medium settings?
Digital Storm xm15 Laptop
Processor:Intel Core i7 3610QM (2.3 GHz Turbo Mode to 3.3Ghz) (Quad Core) (6MB Cache)
Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz
Hard Drive: 750GB 7200RPM (SATA 3Gb/s)
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M 1GB with NVIDIA Optimus Technology

I appreciate the Help.
Thanks!
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#16 May 07 2012 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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#17 May 07 2012 at 1:31 PM Rating: Default
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What do you think would be better? going with an i5 processor with 2 cores rather than an i7 and replacing the 6gb memory with a 16gb memory drive?
#18 May 07 2012 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Tobitheswede wrote:
What do you think would be better? going with an i5 processor with 2 cores rather than an i7 and replacing the 6gb memory with a 16gb memory drive?


I'll go ahead and assume you are talking about RAM. 6GB of RAM is more than enough to handle XIV. The processor however is just as important as the GPU so you will probably want to stick with the i7.
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#19 May 07 2012 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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If it were me and a money issue, I'd pick the i7 and less ram over the i5 and 16gb... 6gb is plenty for most games on a laptop (8gb seems to be the sweet spot in most systems these days) and you could upgrade the ram later. Then again even the i5s are dancing circles around most applications. Your money, your call. I just always think down the road. I wouldn't expect a mobile GPU to run this game at high settings no matter what the current proccesor, hopefully you aren't.
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#20 May 07 2012 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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thank you everyone for the help! =D
#21 May 07 2012 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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no, i want to play the game on the move, i just want a laptop that has the capability of running on medium settings, I've looked into it more and am going to go with
an i7 w/ 8gbs of RAM

I would be happy with playing smoothly on medium, Hopefully this Laptop can pull it off.
#22 May 07 2012 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm waiting to buy the Acer Timeline Ultra. This new series has the Kepler Video Card from NVIDIA and I am going to get the I7 version. It should be faster and work better than the Desktop Game Machine I am using.. It is available in Europe now for about 1000 pounds. Should be about $1500 US.
#23 May 07 2012 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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thanks for the information, i'm in no rush so i can get the best deal possible
#24 May 07 2012 at 9:21 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm saving up for a new desktop, but I really wanted a laptop that could play Guild Wars 2 and, hopefully, Final Fantasy XIV. So, I found this laptop on TigerDirect and ordered it:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2008030&csid=_21&fb_source=message

This cheap laptop (which has gone down in price by $50 since I ordered it) can play Final Fantasy XIV on mid-range settings without too much trouble. The only time the framerates really drop are when I'm riding my chocobo. Otherwise, this laptop plays the game just fine!

If you're on a budget like I am, then this is a great laptop for less than $600, and it is perfectly capable of running FFXIV. I'm sure the performance will be even more impressive once we get Version 2.0 and its scalable graphics engine!
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#25 May 07 2012 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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yet again everyone has been helpful! i've been wanting to play this game, even when it first came out, but i did not have to PC to run it, i too cannot wait till the 2.0 patch!
#26 May 07 2012 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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yet again everyone has been helpful! i've been wanting to play this game, even when it first came out, but i did not have to PC to run it, i too cannot wait till the 2.0 patch!
#27 May 09 2012 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry for all of these crazy questions guys, but i want to make sure i'm making the right decisions

Which Laptop would be better Overall for gaming?
Digital Storm xm15 Laptop 15.6" SCREEN
Intel Core i7 3720QM (2.6 GHz Turbo Mode to 3.6Ghz) (Quad Core) (6MB Cache)
8GB DDR3 1600MHz
Intel 120GB SSD (520 Series) (SATA 6Gb/s)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M 1GB with NVIDIA Optimus Technology

or....

Digital Storm xm11 Laptop 11.6" SCREEN
Intel Core i7 3610QM (2.3 GHz Turbo Mode to 3.3Ghz) (Quad Core) (6MB Cache)
8GB DDR3 1600MHz
Intel 120GB SSD (520 Series) (SATA 6Gb/s)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 2GB with NVIDIA Optimus Technology

I know the only real difference is the processors and the Graphics cards, just dont know which one is a bigger upgrade
#28 May 09 2012 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Laptops aren't good for gaming in general, but the obvious choice would be the better laptop. The size of the first laptop with the components in the second one would be the best option, but they're going to be fairly close in performance so choose the size you prefer.



Edited, May 9th 2012 7:44pm by FilthMcNasty
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#29 May 09 2012 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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thanks for the help, yes i know laptops are not the best things for gaming, but i am wanting to play on the go. Do you know if these laptops would be capable of running the game on medium settings?
#30 May 09 2012 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
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They'll do fine on medium settings. You'd probably be ok running at medium-high settings. Personally speaking, I would avoid the small laptop. I dunno what other games you'd be using it for but the keyboards on smaller laptops are usually cramped and if you're into long sessions, your eyes will take a beating from straining at such a small screen too.
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#31 May 09 2012 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah i was only considering the small laptop because of the "NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 2GB with NVIDIA Optimus Technology" but that is something that i can upgrade to later, thanks for the advice man!
#32 May 28 2012 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Getting my laptop tomorrow!

Decided on the Asus g75vw
specs:

Intel Quad Core i7-3610QM (2.30GHz) Processor
8GB DDR3 (2x 4GB) 1600MHz Memory
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M 2GB GDDR5 Graphics Card

can't wait for the results on how good it runs ffxiv
#33 May 31 2012 at 12:45 AM Rating: Good
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My new laptop arrived yesterday and I finally got all my downloads done. Seems to run XIV great in windowed mode at high settings.

Sager NP9130
i7 3610 QM
12 GB Ram (should help with a few of my RTSs and work files, I think it comes stock with 6 or 8)
GTX 670M (some people will say to get the 660M because it's Kepler instead of Fermi but the 670 is still 15-20% faster for the same price even if it's slightly hotter)
7200 RPM HDD (I didn't get the SSD hybrid because this isn't a primary gaming solution)

Anyway the biggest problem with this laptop is that nvidia hasn't released drivers yet... so I never thought I'd say it, but the 670M currently runs XIV on Med-High (depending on window size, I'm still playing around with that bit) settings BETTER than DIII on Low-Med settings. Although I don't think it's anything a driver won't fix since the Intel HD4000 runs DIII better on Med than the 670.

You can build the laptop for just over 1200 bucks and I'd expect it to fall into the 900 dollar zone over the next few months. If you do get a Sager, go through xocticpc instead of directly through Sager. Theres a few extra options they have and it should be cheaper and actually have good tech support. The other good thing is that the 670M is user upgradeable so I know for sure I can throw in the 675M and possibly future gen stuff as well... HOWEVER mobile GPUs go for up to and sometimes over double their similarly numbered desktop counterparts on ebay unless you snag a good deal.

If I have time I'll run FRAPS to see what the results are, but I'd expect max frames to be around 50 and min around 25-30. I haven't fought anything as I'm still fine tuning my settings but I did run through Ul'Dah with 0 slow down.

*EDIT* Ok did some testing, A mix of Standard and High settings @ 1920x1080 is a stutter fest in Ul'Dah windowed, but no issues soloing mobs on BLM. I settled on 1680x1050 for windowed mode with 4xAA and all settings at Standard except Texture which is set to High. FRAPS is reporting 48FPS in Ul'Dah but it's still a stutter fest, so I'm guessing it's a combination of the HDD, my crap ISP, and possibly a driver issue with some stupid Intel data booster that came built in with the Sager. Outside fighting mobs in levequests with about 6 other players and maybe 30+ mobs I'm fluctuating between 36 and 59 FPS. I suspect that things will improve WHEN Nvidia releases drivers for the "higher" end (yes I know alot of the 6m series is rebranded 5XX and possibly even 4XX parts overclocked) mobile cards. There's also a possiblity I haven't fully diabled Optimus but I don't think that's the issue.

Anyway, I'm happy with the laptop. Good enough to get my fix while in between homes or visiting family, and when I finally get my gaming rig back (it's on a boat somewhere between the UK and the US) it'll be able to play a RTS or something on and I can dink around in XIV on full screen with higher settings ^.^ Hope this helps a bit.

Edited, May 31st 2012 3:42pm by Perrin
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