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#1 Jul 03 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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PvP has been recently announced, this got me thinking on how it'll all work out. I began to think of WoW and many mmo's with 2 sides and having the pvp set that way. I was wondering if they could add The Garlean Empire as a set of playable races to fit pvp and maybe have character xfer to fix the balancing issue. Also if possible can someone post this in the official forums.
#2 Jul 03 2011 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Where was PvP announced? I thought Yoshi said with all the other problems he was working on that PvP was on the slate down the road but not going to be implemented for a long while.
#3 Jul 03 2011 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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#4 Jul 03 2011 at 11:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Final Fantasy series is about saving the world not trying to destroy or take it over. They won't make it so you can be on the side of evil. From the story line thus far it seems that the empire may not be bad. It may have something to do with mind control from what we saw in the final cut-scene. That's just speculation on my part for the story line, but they won't be making that change.
#5 Jul 03 2011 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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PvP implementation? Sure. But I hope it's some kind of small mini-game. FFXI did it right. I don't play a Final Fantasy game to kill other people I'm trying to save the world with. Just doesn't make sense.
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#6 Jul 03 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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They're trying too hard to shoehorn FFXIV into the WoW style of MMOs, which is particularly problematic when a lot of the people from FFXI liked the game because it wasn't trying to be WoW.

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#7 Jul 03 2011 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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The Final Fantasy series is about saving the world not trying to destroy or take it over. They won't make it so you can be on the side of evil. From the story line thus far it seems that the empire may not be bad. It may have something to do with mind control from what we saw in the final cut-scene. That's just speculation on my part for the story line, but they won't be making that change.
I don't think the empire will end up being truly evil, based on the fact that they just stopped after wiping out a couple of city states. I haven't progressed too far in the story, so I could already be proven dead wrong, but I think maybe something sinister may have been going on in the destroyed city states.
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#8 Jul 03 2011 at 8:29 PM Rating: Good
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they could probably do something with companies to implement pvp.
#9 Jul 04 2011 at 2:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Though they wouldn't be the first to completely ignore the possability I would still hope that they would consider the arena in Uldah and possably build a larger one in places yet to be implimented. That way the rest of us don't have to worry about some moron running around spamming us for PvP, he can just go there to fight.
And maybe let other players watch the sport, maybe some gambling...
#10 Jul 04 2011 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not one for pvp but i respect the dev team being open minded about it.

I like their approach to constantly adding new forms of content instead of just constantly adding new raids, monsters, and equipment thats constantly being rendered obsolete.

Sadly I think PVE based MMO's are always going to come up short until someone comes up with some really good AI that truly blows the everything we've had for the past 10 years out of the water.
#11 Jul 04 2011 at 4:00 AM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
They're trying too hard to shoehorn FFXIV into the WoW style of MMOs, which is particularly problematic when a lot of the people from FFXI liked the game because it wasn't trying to be WoW.

In b4 EQ referencing.



Edited, Jul 3rd 2011 2:10pm by bsphil


I personally didn't play WoW because FFXI was the first MMO I really got into and didn't even care to try other games. That said, if I'd started with WoW I probably would have never played FFXI. Not because WoW is a superior game (which it is), but mainly because when you're fixated on something as large as an MMO, you become overwhelmed and don't have room in your life for another. Now that the rose glasses are off, if XIV ends up slow and heavily group based like FFXI was, I will not give it a second fourth chance. I don't want it to be World of Warcraft, but it better end up just as entertaining and rich with story/content. If SE fails to do this and gives us another "Ballista" minigame, this game will go nowhere. People's standards are higher nowadays aren't they?

Edited, Jul 4th 2011 6:01am by Transmigration
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#12 Jul 04 2011 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
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I agree. They gotta do better than FF11 with this PVP. And people who complain about pvp spams, I wonder if you ever played WoW? People rarely ask to pvp with me. And either way, they could make some sort of pvp filter if necessary, automatically declining on pvp invites. WoW has plenty of players who don't pvp anyways.

I think what would be more interesting to discuss is would we be pvping with our jobs, (Which are suppose to be more about parties) or our more balanced classes that have healing ect?
#13 Jul 04 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Lubriderm Quick Hands wrote:
blueazaka wrote:
The Final Fantasy series is about saving the world not trying to destroy or take it over. They won't make it so you can be on the side of evil. From the story line thus far it seems that the empire may not be bad. It may have something to do with mind control from what we saw in the final cut-scene. That's just speculation on my part for the story line, but they won't be making that change.
I don't think the empire will end up being truly evil, based on the fact that they just stopped after wiping out a couple of city states. I haven't progressed too far in the story, so I could already be proven dead wrong, but I think maybe something sinister may have been going on in the destroyed city states.


Well, the game strongly hints (specially in the 'fan-favourite' R46 mission) that the Empire's true objective may indeed be qualified as "good": they know a great catastrophe is coming and believe the beast tribes and their Primals are linked to it; thus, they are deemed as enemies that must be eliminated for the sake of the Empire / the world / whatever.

That's the main reason for their recent attacks on Eorzea, including the invasion of the Black Shroud (they went straight to where the Sylphs live).

However, the Empire also shows a clear expansionist desire and do want to take control over the Eorzean city-states, as shown by their linkpearl messages dropped on all of em ("Help us defeat the beast tribes and surrender to our authority so we don't nuke you all to death lololol"), but even that could also be seem as a way to strengthen their presence in Eorzea and help in their anti-Primal campaign. Of course, they could also do that without the whole attack'n brainwash thingy..

So, they're more like Well Intentioned Extremists than an all out Evil Empire to me, at least up to this point.
#14 Jul 04 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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AdvancedWind wrote:
Lubriderm Quick Hands wrote:
blueazaka wrote:
The Final Fantasy series is about saving the world not trying to destroy or take it over. They won't make it so you can be on the side of evil. From the story line thus far it seems that the empire may not be bad. It may have something to do with mind control from what we saw in the final cut-scene. That's just speculation on my part for the story line, but they won't be making that change.
I don't think the empire will end up being truly evil, based on the fact that they just stopped after wiping out a couple of city states. I haven't progressed too far in the story, so I could already be proven dead wrong, but I think maybe something sinister may have been going on in the destroyed city states.


Well, the game strongly hints (specially in the 'fan-favourite' R46 mission) that the Empire's true objective may indeed be qualified as "good": they know a great catastrophe is coming and believe the beast tribes and their Primals are linked to it; thus, they are deemed as enemies that must be eliminated for the sake of the Empire / the world / whatever.

That's the main reason for their recent attacks on Eorzea, including the invasion of the Black Shroud (they went straight to where the Sylphs live).

However, the Empire also shows a clear expansionist desire and do want to take control over the Eorzean city-states, as shown by their linkpearl messages dropped on all of em ("Help us defeat the beast tribes and surrender to our authority so we don't nuke you all to death lololol"), but even that could also be seem as a way to strengthen their presence in Eorzea and help in their anti-Primal campaign. Of course, they could also do that without the whole attack'n brainwash thingy..

So, they're more like Well Intentioned Extremists than an all out Evil Empire to me, at least up to this point.



Or there the beast men are actually the good guys, and the primal's are the only threat to the gar lean empire, and they just want our help destroying them. just an idea.
#15 Jul 04 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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That is pretty possible, indeed.

The head guys of the Empire could be lying about all that and in fact be wanting to bring on said catastrophe or just wanting to get rid of the only power that rivals their might while disguising it as a 'good' act, in which case they would be obviously 'evil'.

Even worse, they could actually believe that what they are doing IS the right way to 'save the world', but be ultimately wrong and unwillingly doom everyone, including themselves. If this is the case, probably the entity who tricked the Empire into attacking the Primals is the true "evil mastermind" behind the current events in Final Fantasy XIV.


All this talk is making me wish for a follow-up in the main storyline already >_>

Edited, Jul 4th 2011 2:39pm by AdvancedWind
#16 Jul 04 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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KenJammin wrote:
I'm not one for pvp but i respect the dev team being open minded about it.

I like their approach to constantly adding new forms of content instead of just constantly adding new raids, monsters, and equipment thats constantly being rendered obsolete.

Sadly I think PVE based MMO's are always going to come up short until someone comes up with some really good AI that truly blows the everything we've had for the past 10 years out of the water.


That would likely end up a tough sell, the sad trueth is there is a large percentage of the PvE population that doesn't want the base mobs to be able to think from themselves. Even if they don't know it, what they realy seem to want is a fight of moderate (at best) difficulty that they can expect to win.


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I agree. They gotta do better than FF11 with this PVP. And people who complain about pvp spams, I wonder if you ever played WoW? People rarely ask to pvp with me. And either way, they could make some sort of pvp filter if necessary, automatically declining on pvp invites. WoW has plenty of players who don't pvp anyways.

I think what would be more interesting to discuss is would we be pvping with our jobs, (Which are suppose to be more about parties) or our more balanced classes that have healing ect?


Yes I have played WoW, on a few differant servers and on both sides, and that is where my experiance with haveing idiots running up to me and spamming my with challenges comes from. It happened at all level ranges in multiple cities... and yes several times it was acompanied by "lets duel, wanna duel?, duel me, duel?" it was enough to make me dispise the general PvP crowd.

And it's not like I didn't give PvP a try with WoW but it was very hard for me to find the motivation to make it through one BG, it was just boreing to me. Not any differant from the PvP I've tried in other games.
#17 Jul 04 2011 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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Back on topic about the Empire, I didn't get to far into the story before but it did seem they want to do away with the 12. Even if they have to do it manualy, "it's for our own good" :P
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