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Will PS4 be released before PS3 version of FFXIVFollow

#1 Jul 05 2011 at 10:43 AM Rating: Default
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According to this, the PS4 may actual be out as soon as next year: http://www.1up.com/news/playstation-4-with-kinect-motion-controls-coming-212

If that's true, maybe SE would decide to wait and release FFXIV as a PS4 game?

Edited, Jul 5th 2011 5:26pm by Vawn43
#2 Jul 05 2011 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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It's not coming out for the playstation anytime soon. Until we get release dates there's no way of knowing.
#3 Jul 05 2011 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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I doubt very much that the PS 4 will be released next year. I also doubt that FF XIV will be released for the PS 3 this year. Anyone else starting to doubt whether FF XIv will ever come to consoles?

#4 Jul 05 2011 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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I'd honestly be more concerned with the PS4 coming out "soon" than if XIV would land on the PS3 anytime in this decade >.>
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I'll agree that the PS4 is extremely unlikely any time soon (though it would make some sense as they could totally kill Nintendo and knock MS down a notch or two)... mainly for 2 reasons. In order for them to have some vastly more powerful than the PS3 they either have to charge and arm and a leg like they did at the start of this cycle (and wouldn't work in the current economy), or they have to wait another year or two until GPU prices drop a bit more and they can take advantage of a hopefully recovered economy which will according to most take a minimum of 2 years.

As to no console release... there's absolutely no way that can happen. They need a console release to reinvigorate the game assuming they get it to a point where people will pay monthly for it. It's a no brainer to hit the WiiU (though reliance on a USB HDD and depending on how it programs/handles online could nix that thought) and the PS3. Both consoles would bring fresh life into the game and hopefully the hype along with (if they're smart) dirt cheap PC software re-release could save the game.
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#6 Jul 05 2011 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Article wrote:
A DigiTimes report today says Taiwanese component makers


The information is going through a lot of filters, which generally bespeaks that something is nothing but a rumour. It's a DigiTimes report about a statement made by "some people who make components in Taiwan." :\

We knew about the PSV almost two years ago; I think it's unlikely that we won't officially know about the PS4 until a few months before its release. That said, it probably would be a good idea for SE to wait until PS4 release, if it is indeed soon, to release FFXIV. There would be no competition and it would have a clean slate on a new system - it would actually be a good idea, especially since SE needs so much time to fix FFXIV anyway.
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#7 Jul 05 2011 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
As to no console release... there's absolutely no way that can happen. They need a console release to reinvigorate the game assuming they get it to a point where people will pay monthly for it. It's a no brainer to hit the WiiU (though reliance on a USB HDD and depending on how it programs/handles online could nix that thought) and the PS3. Both consoles would bring fresh life into the game and hopefully the hype along with (if they're smart) dirt cheap PC software re-release could save the game.


At this point though, isn't it possible that the XIV brand is so toxic that SE may consider just cutting their losses instead of pushing more funds in to a product that they may well suspect will not offer a decent return?

#8 Jul 05 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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At this point though, isn't it possible that the XIV brand is so toxic that SE may consider just cutting their losses instead of pushing more funds in to a product that they may well suspect will not offer a decent return?


By that line of thought they should give up on the PC version too. Surely there aren't enough of us atm playing for free (even if we all stayed and paid) to make the installment profitable.

They've already said they are looking at the PS3 release as their chance to renew faith in the product.
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#9 Jul 05 2011 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
By that line of thought they should give up on the PC version too. Surely there aren't enough of us atm playing for free (even if we all stayed and paid) to make the installment profitable.


Who's to say they won't drop the game entirely in the near future? Like you say, it's free to play and numbers are still falling. Maybe best to treat this as an expensive lesson and move on. Learn from their mistakes and come back in a few years with a wholely new FF Online game, like maybe XV or XVI?



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I don't know much about programing at all, but I'm under the impression that if you design a game to work on a system like FFXIV was for the PS3, its rather difficult to just up and switch that to a new console.
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I don't know much about programing at all, but I'm under the impression that if you design a game to work on a system like FFXIV was for the PS3, its rather difficult to just up and switch that to a new console.


Highly depends on the system it's being ported to, a lot of times it's just "wrapped" in the other console's API. Porting a game from the PSX > PS3 for example is pretty much just emulation, so from PS3 > PS4 would likely also be emulation depending on how the system is. Remaking it for the new system again depends on the system itself and if it's viable or not, which is why they said they wouldn't make a PS3 version of FFXI.
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KujaKoF wrote:
I don't know much about programing at all, but I'm under the impression that if you design a game to work on a system like FFXIV was for the PS3, its rather difficult to just up and switch that to a new console.


Don't forget they more or less had a 360 version ready as well... it was just MS's policy regarding access that caused that bridge to burn.

As to a PS4 and switching code... it depends what Sony does with the system. They could just release a system with an overclocked Cell proc some more native RAM and a next gen GPU and call it a day... it'd make it easy for backwards compatability but it would also severely impact the level of enhancement over the current cycle. They really need to make something that even high end PCs would struggle to compete with overall, that's how the gaming thing is supposed to work these days I guess... equal or beat mid-range PCs at release, then fall behind in the middle, then PC gaming stagnates because devs focus so much on console ports... next gen console games stress PCs, PC enthusiasts leap at new hardware... more or less fund the R&D for new GPUs and CPUs and the cycle repeats... except the gap is a lot bigger this time around and PC gamers are feeling the burn. Honestly with the issues Sony currently has against their brand name they need to ensure whatever they have is top notch compared to the other 2 AND affordable.
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#13 Jul 05 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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They would be better off releasing it on the PS3 even if the PS4 is already out.

I don't have my hopes up too high for the next console gaming generation.
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#14 Jul 05 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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Vawn43 wrote:
According to this, the PS4 may actual be out as soon as next year: http://www.1up.com/news/playstation-4-with-kinect-motion-controls-coming-212

If that's true, maybe SE would decide to wait and release FFXIV as a PS4 game?


PS4 is not coming out next year to my knowledge. Any speculation and talk of rumors is just that until SONY comes out and makes an announcement. As well it would do you good not to gather your information from 3rd party websites, as there guess is as good as yours or mine.

As for the PS3 version of ffxiv, i would ballpark it late Sept to end Oct, based on the developers information. The time line i am assuming is:
Mid July: 1.18
End Aug - Early Sept: 1.19
Mid Oct - Early Nov: 1.20, PS3

ps: speculation and hopeful thinking.

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#15 Jul 05 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Plenty of information about video game hardware and software was on sites like GamePro, IGN and 1UP long before it was "officially" announced.
#16 Jul 05 2011 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I am thinking there is a possibility of FFXIV being released on the PSN, in which case could easily be accessible to both PS3 and PS4 without worrying about production numbers. If graphics were upscalable, one could up their grpahics with the system, much in the same way PC users can. This seems reasonable to me, since FFXIV is debuting before the twilight era of the PS3. I don't really want to buy a PS4 for FFXIV, but I'd like to play FFXIV when I buy one in the future. PS3 currently does all I want from a console.

I am having flashbacks of my 'disc read error' PS2 converting into a FFXI machine (only harddrive game).
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#17 Jul 05 2011 at 6:56 PM Rating: Excellent
Forget the PS3 release... when is Patch 1.18 coming out?

That aside, as long as the dev team follows through with its major core changes as planned (which appears to be patches 1.18, 1.19 and 1.20 by the end of summer, which could mean mid-late September), then consider what the game will have by that point:

- A working (and sensible) battle system
- Specialized, traditional Final Fantasy jobs
- Quest hubs that bring more content
- Instanced dungeons
- A greater emphasis on party play (hopefully we get a party search feature to go along with that)
- Simplified recipe lists
- Continued improvements to remaining lag

We also know the development team is currently working on numerous other additions as we speak... these include defensive hamlet/outpost battles, more quests, job-specific equipment (could add more progression-oriented content), and redoing at least the Black Shroud and possibly other areas... I'm sure we can also count on numerous new quests to be added to the game, at least come fall.

I'd have to think if all these things were in place a year ago -- and if SE could have moved forward from that point with adding to the game, rather than rebuilding the foundation -- then we would have been pretty happy with FFXIV, even though the game would have still had problems (no mailbox feature, no party search, no chocobos, airships, etc). That said, I could see this game being PS3-ready by the end of the year, but whether that happens depends on how quickly SE is able to add meaningful content to the game once these infrastructure changes are made.

The pitfall SE must look out for is that many of the reviewers probably played the game at PC launch, or they're at least aware of the game's problems, and they'll be reviewing the PS3 release from that viewpoint. If the game is totally polished up but still lacks meaningful content, then the tone of the review will be, "This game has been out for more than a year and there's still nothing to do... don't buy it!" But if SE takes the time to add more content following the infrastructure changes -- which would probably push a PS3 launch back to early 2012 -- then I think the game would have a much better chance of getting a favorable round of reviews.

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#18 Jul 05 2011 at 10:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
The pitfall SE must look out for is that many of the reviewers probably played the game at PC launch, or they're at least aware of the game's problems, and they'll be reviewing the PS3 release from that viewpoint.


Yeah, I hope SE realizes this; they really need to impress people when FFXIV is "ready." Anything short of amazing will simply doom the game at this point.
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#19 Jul 06 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Sony won't announce the PS4 until absolutely necessary. Who's gonna buy a PS3, the most expensive and least popular console on the market, if it will be obsolete in a year? There are reasons for speculation such as this--you simply can't rely on the manufacturer to tell you what they're up to.

A lot of you apparently love Sony products, but by and large Sony has lost a lot of face since the release of the PS3. It badly needs a new product lineup and a new image. I would not be surprised at all if they were rapidly pushing the release of a new console, something for XBox 360 owners to step up to, something with the RAM available so developers can push out big games with big worlds instead of yet another rail game.
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The PS3 was designed to have a life cycle of 10 years and it won't even hit hits mid life cycle until the later part of this year. Their idea was to expand on the device through firmware updates and hardware to support new technologies (3D and the Playstation Move) in order to keep the console "top of the line".

You also have to remember that when the PS3 came out in 2006, the 20 GB model cost somewhere close to $900 per console for Sony to produce and they were selling them for less than that, so they were losing money with each one sold. Over the next few years, the materials needed to make a PS3 became cheaper and Sony also removed PS2 backwards compatibility which brought the cost down even further. It took them about 3 years to get the PS3 manufacturing cost lower than what they were selling it for.

It would probably be best for Sony to not even worry about a next gen console until 2014/2015 and I will probably treat all PS4 talk as nothing but rumor until they officially say something.
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