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#1 Jul 06 2011 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
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It's been a long time coming and computer shopping is starting in earnest. I'm hoping by the end of July I will be bouncing my mage class around the land of Ezorea. I am selling my POS so I'm looking at either a quad core or six core. I'm hoping some of you are working this fairly decently on a quad core. It's cheaper. If so, are you able to get around good on a quad core?
#2 Jul 06 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're going to have to give way more hardware information than that. There are quad cores that are terrible and quad cores that are top tier. Your GPU is also incredibly important.
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#3 Jul 06 2011 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok..Examples...this one...but with a better GPU and Power Supply.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+Pavilion+Desktop+/+AMD+Athlon%26%23153%3B+II+Quad-Core+Processor+/+6GB+Memory+/+1TB+Hard+Drive/2712075.p?id=1218346635151&skuId=2712075

Or this one. Question about this one, is does THIS GPU work well with FFXIV where I wouldnt have to get asnything else.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Essentio+Desktop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+/+8GB+Memory+/+1TB+Hard+Drive/2634096.p?id=1218341074379&skuId=2634096


See I'd don't know how to read which quad core is better..(Man I miss the days of Pentinum, P II, P III...lol

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 5:18pm by Ethani209
#4 Jul 06 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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the HP you listed has pretty similar specs to the desktop I built myself to play the game, and the game runs fine. obviously a higher end processor is better, but I don't think you'll really be complaining with that setup, especially if you're like me and price is a bit of an issue.
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KujaKoF wrote:
the HP you listed has pretty similar specs to the desktop I built myself to play the game, and the game runs fine. obviously a higher end processor is better, but I don't think you'll really be complaining with that setup, especially if you're like me and price is a bit of an issue.

Are you sure, the 4200 is what I used at the beginning of open beta, and although the game ran, I couldn't see a damned thing as anything other than a blob of pixels.
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#6morval, Posted: Jul 06 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You don't really need an amazing machine to run ffxiv. I'm running above normal specs on my fall 2010 iMac. any decent machine you are to buy now should run it fine off the shelf.
#7 Jul 06 2011 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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the HP you listed has pretty similar specs to the desktop I built myself to play the game, and the game runs fine. obviously a higher end processor is better, but I don't think you'll really be complaining with that setup, especially if you're like me and price is a bit of an issue.

Are you sure, the 4200 is what I used at the beginning of open beta, and although the game ran, I couldn't see a damned thing as anything other than a blob of pixels.


Oh, I wasn't referring to the graphics card because I didn't think he was asking about it.
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#8 Jul 06 2011 at 7:34 PM Rating: Good
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That first GPU is pathetic (HD 4200) and the second isn't much better (GT 530). For the $800 they want for the 2nd machine, you could build a top-tier computer with years of shelf-life in it - something that could run any game on the market right now at max settings. For a gaming PC, the video card is the most important piece by far, but that tends to be the weakest part in prebuilt/off-the-shelf PCs. The Radeon HD 6850 is the best deal as far as GPUs go right now in terms of price/performance. I wouldn't get any PC with a video card that scores under ~1500 in this list. They're just too old/weak for gaming to have any substantial value/lifespan.

Oh and don't bother looking for gaming PCs at Best Buy. Try Newegg.



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#9 Jul 06 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Default
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Ok...I ended up with this. The Asus

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Essentio+Desktop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+/+8GB+Memory+/+1TB+Hard+Drive/2634096.p?id=1218341074379&skuId=2634096

It has 2GB of Video Card power from what we could see, it scored a 5.9 on the windows experience with nearly a 7 on the graphics card. The Geek Squad guy says it will smoke anything FFXIV throws at the machine so we will see. Probably won't be until tommorrow after work before I have it up and running.
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The only thing I'm not sure about in that build is the GT 530. Judging by the "30" in the name it would fall in the business/casual/web browsing type range. If it doesn't run very well on your system, that's the first thing you should look at upgrading. I have no idea, though, it might be awesome. It's OEM-only so I can't really find any reviews or benchmarks for it. Let us know how it turns out!
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#11 Jul 06 2011 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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A basic search about GT 530 show me this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/318256-33-tomshardware
So yea, it's like an entry-level thingie, no good. I'm not good with these stuff, but that looks low, very low. Grab a GTX 460, it's relatively cheap now and maybe you can grab another for SLI.
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A basic search about GT 530 show me this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/318256-33-tomshardware
So yea, it's like an entry-level thingie, no good. I'm not good with these stuff, but that looks low, very low. Grab a GTX 460, it's relatively cheap now and maybe you can grab another for SLI.


Oh yeah. I guess I didn't make a recommendation. I'll second the GTX 460 idea. For about 150 bucks it's hard to beat the price for performance for that card.

The important thing to remember with GeForce cards is that you're probably looking for something with the GTX prefix, followed by a 4 or a 5, and the 2nd two digits should be as high as possible, but at least in the 60+ ("Enthusiast") range. Anything in the 00-40 range is low-end. I'm not saying it won't run XIV, but you probably won't have a great experience.

And never trust the Geek Squad, or anyone else who is trying to sell you something, without getting a 2nd opinion. I'm not saying they're dumb or incompetent (some might be), but they work for the company that is trying to sell you things. They're not necessarily dishonest. They just have a horse in the race, somewhere along the line. It's like if someone is trying to sell you a house and they say "you don't need a home inspector. Everything is fine." You're probably going to end up having termites, if you're lucky.
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#13 Jul 06 2011 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
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Ethani209 wrote:
Ok...I ended up with this. The Asus

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Essentio+Desktop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+/+8GB+Memory+/+1TB+Hard+Drive/2634096.p?id=1218341074379&skuId=2634096

It has 2GB of Video Card power from what we could see, it scored a 5.9 on the windows experience with nearly a 7 on the graphics card. The Geek Squad guy says it will smoke anything FFXIV throws at the machine so we will see. Probably won't be until tommorrow after work before I have it up and running.
Don't listen to advice from Best Buy employees. You'll need to replace the video card to run at anything higher than minimum settings and a low/undersampled resolution.

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And never trust the Geek Squad, or anyone else who is trying to sell you something, without getting a 2nd opinion. I'm not saying they're dumb or incompetent (some might be)
I've heard way too many stories from friends and family members that have lines like "but the guy from Best Buy said it should've been fine!" Seriously, something about Best Buy employees, they're really that bad.

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I'll second the GTX 460 idea. For about 150 bucks it's hard to beat the price for performance for that card.
FWIW the HD 6850 scores a higher performance-per-dollar ratio. It also draws less power under load, which is going to be really important for off-the-shelf computers that will invariably have crappy PSUs in them.



Edited, Jul 7th 2011 12:08am by bsphil
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#14 Jul 07 2011 at 2:24 AM Rating: Good
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Wow those machines from best buy are both no good for different reasons.

The HP is a entry level quadcore that is beaten by even cheaper dualcores in everything but heavily multi-tasks programs. It has a silly amount of RAM which i would guess is not configured for dual channel and will be something like 1x4GB and 1x2GB. The graphics are rubbish and would struggle to play anything over the last year or 2.

The Asus is better (a lot faster than the HP) but they fail to mention which i7 CPU it is !!! is it sandy bridge 2600 which has a 3.4Ghz clock speed and 8mb cache possibly. So RAM and CPU wise its very good but the GPU is again rubbish and will struggle with anything remotely demanding.

dont trust best buy at all the reviews are from people who have no idea what they are on about. some posts regarding PC stuff on here (zam forums in general) are full of mis-information or inaccurate advice too with people willing to dish out advice on a subject they know little about.

If you are serious about getting a machine look at www.bit-tech.net its one of the largest IT hardware communities and has a very knowledgeable user base willing to help from both the US and EU
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Morning update...

Well the machine allowed me to install the core componets and now it's updating to 1.17 or what version we are now. So it will be sometime tonight before I know what's exactly going on. I'm figuring if the GPU is no good, I'll upgrade for 200 bucks and get a new one, which I would do eventually anyway.
#16 Jul 07 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't listen to advice from Best Buy employees. You'll need to replace the video card to run at anything higher than minimum settings and a low/undersampled resolution.


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And never trust the Geek Squad, or anyone else who is trying to sell you something, without getting a 2nd opinion. I'm not saying they're dumb or incompetent (some might be)


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I've heard way too many stories from friends and family members that have lines like "but the guy from Best Buy said it should've been fine!" Seriously, something about Best Buy employees, they're really that bad.


There are plenty of people who work at Best Buy who do know what they're talking about when it comes to gaming and gaming pc's, but you have to talk to the right person. A lot of the people in Geek Squad or the computer department don't game and have never had a gaming PC. It doesn't mean they're incompetent, just means that Best buy doesn't emphasize gaming knowledge in those departments because, quite frankly, we are a VERY small segment of the PC buyers market. Ask around when you go into the store (any store really, not just Best Buy) to find out who actually plays PC games and get that person's opinion. Best Buy just moved all PC games into the same department as console games last month and each store now finally has dedicated gaming sales staff there.

Maybe the problem isn't Best Buy, or any other brick-and-mortar store, but it's the fact that people don't know how to ask the right questions to the right people.
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Ethani209 wrote:
I'm figuring if the GPU is no good, I'll upgrade for 200 bucks and get a new one, which I would do eventually anyway.
lol @ having to upgrade a new computer fresh out of the box. Can lead 'em to water...
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#18 Jul 07 2011 at 1:53 PM Rating: Default
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WELL....It's ALIVE! I'm in my starting city! So I guess It's gonna work!
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PC gaming is just a pain unless you can build computers yourself. My dad knows almost nothing about computers but for some reason loves PC gaming (ever since he first played Doom when I was in high school and downloaded it for him from a BBS he's all about first person shooters), and he bought an HP computer that wasn't ready for gaming (since I live 700 miles away I couldn't be there to build one for him). It's been a pain getting some components upgraded, fixing various issues that come with poor hardware, troubleshooting software. I wish he could just play XBox.
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Here are the specs of the computer, just in case yer wonderin

i7-2600 @3.4 GHZ
8.00 RAM
According to the website at best buy, the computer is running 2.00 of ram on the video card!

Im scoring 6.7 on the graphics card!

So all in all I'[m extremely happy. I tried to run on full settings and it's not good...low to medium does very well so all in all I'm happy. Now I just need to get another xbox 360 controller. (I used to play FFXI on 360 so I'm used to controllers)

I anything is slow it's my internet only 3mbps but i'm changing that soon :-)
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The amount of video ram your particular card has is not so important anymore. The actual chip is more important. 1 GB video ram is generally plenty.
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Ethani209 wrote:
Here are the specs of the computer, just in case yer wonderin

i7-2600 @3.4 GHZ
8.00 RAM
According to the website at best buy, the computer is running 2.00 of ram on the video card!

Im scoring 6.7 on the graphics card!

So all in all I'[m extremely happy. I tried to run on full settings and it's not good...low to medium does very well so all in all I'm happy. Now I just need to get another xbox 360 controller. (I used to play FFXI on 360 so I'm used to controllers)

I anything is slow it's my internet only 3mbps but i'm changing that soon :-)


My personally built comp:
Manufacturer:
Self
Processor:
Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E6700 @ 3.20GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.2GHz with CoolIT ECOalc water cooling
Memory:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL
Hard Drive:
750GB/160GB/160GB
Video Card:
SPARKLE Calibre Series X460G GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support
Monitor:
ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 250 cd/m2 ASCR 50,000,000:1
Sound Card:
Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Technics SA-DX940 Stereo Receiver 5.1 Surround
Keyboard:
Saitek Cyborg V5
Mouse:
Saitek Cyborg Rat 3
Mouse Surface:
Mouse Pad
Operating System:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
Motherboard:
ASUS P5G41T-M LX LGA 775 Intel G41 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Computer Case:
Antec DF-85

Windows score:

CPU 6.6
RAM 6.6
GRAPHICS 7.5
GAMING GRAPHICS 7.5

I spent a total of $450 in upgrades for a computer I built over 4 years ago.

Runs FFXIV smoothly with these settings:

VIDEO SETTINGS:

Full screen.

1920 x 1080

4xMSAA

General drawing quality: standard

Background drawing quality: 5 (HIGH)

Shadow detail: standard

GRAPHICS:

Ambient Occlusion enabled

Depth of Field enabled

Hardware Cursor Enabled

Texture Quality: HIGH

Texture Filtering: HIGHEST

A "lesser" CPU, half your system RAM, half the RAM on the GPU, and yet mine outperforms yours. A 7.5 on my card compared to a 6.7 on yours kinda brings that home a bit.

This is why you don't buy systems and get ripped off, you build them.

And I'm not saying "you suck" or "I'm better than you", just so you know. I'm merely pointing out that if you intend to keep gaming on PC, you should really build your own. It's really not rocket science, it's no harder than putting together a model kit. And you'll get better performance because you determine what goes in it and how it's configured with substantially less costs as a bonus feature.

Edited, Jul 8th 2011 5:25pm by Zorvan
#23 Jul 10 2011 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
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Don't listen to advice from Best Buy employees. You'll need to replace the video card to run at anything higher than minimum settings and a low/undersampled resolution.


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And never trust the Geek Squad, or anyone else who is trying to sell you something, without getting a 2nd opinion. I'm not saying they're dumb or incompetent (some might be)


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I've heard way too many stories from friends and family members that have lines like "but the guy from Best Buy said it should've been fine!" Seriously, something about Best Buy employees, they're really that bad.


There are plenty of people who work at Best Buy who do know what they're talking about when it comes to gaming and gaming pc's, but you have to talk to the right person. A lot of the people in Geek Squad or the computer department don't game and have never had a gaming PC. It doesn't mean they're incompetent, just means that Best buy doesn't emphasize gaming knowledge in those departments because, quite frankly, we are a VERY small segment of the PC buyers market. Ask around when you go into the store (any store really, not just Best Buy) to find out who actually plays PC games and get that person's opinion. Best Buy just moved all PC games into the same department as console games last month and each store now finally has dedicated gaming sales staff there.

Maybe the problem isn't Best Buy, or any other brick-and-mortar store, but it's the fact that people don't know how to ask the right questions to the right people.


You can't blame the consumers when the store's whole business model is based on selling to people who don't know a **** thing about this stuff. If a doctor recommended the wrong procedure to treat a knee injury and left you paralyzed, would you blame yourself for not asking the correct doctor, or for not asking that doctor the right questions?
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