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#1 Jul 24 2011 at 5:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm a little slow sometimes but today I finally realized what the changes to Party Search function actually mean for those screaming about flagging for invites. They made it possible for you to put a flag up and make you searchable by job/class.

Putting up the proverbial flag:
If you go into the Party >> Recruit >> Purpose: Seek Invite you can essentially put a flag up for the class currently equipped.

Searching for the job you want:
If you go under the Search >> Purpose : Seek Invite you can search for individual classes

I know the 'Party Search' feature was essentially designed to help you group by the type of activity but these changes made me a little excited. Now you can just put a flag up and wait for someone to ask you to do anything/something it doesn't matter. The problem is how do I now convince people on my server to start seeking?

Edited, Jul 24th 2011 9:11am by kainsilv
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#2 Jul 24 2011 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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The question is, does this function allow party leaders to invite those "recruiting" under "Seek Invite" through the system?

Right now it seems like just another tab under a system no one wants to use.
#3 Jul 24 2011 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I guess the biggest setback is that no one currently uses it. It's still not XI. As I've posted before I have that we have to dig through menu's. That's probably a deterrent for others as well. I want to just be able to go /sea all -- That being said, I'd settle for /sea all gladiator / lancer / conjurer etc.

People do just need to start using it.
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#4 Jul 24 2011 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just checked, it does work the opposite way from the current system. Whereas the seeker joins a party under other options, people can be invited to an existing party from the "Seek Party" option.

Like the rest of said, people just need to start using it.
#5 Jul 24 2011 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Darkm0d wrote:
Yeah I guess the biggest setback is that no one currently uses it. It's still not XI. As I've posted before I have that we have to dig through menu's. That's probably a deterrent for others as well. I want to just be able to go /sea all -- That being said, I'd settle for /sea all gladiator / lancer / conjurer etc.

People do just need to start using it.


Agreed a text based command to bring up the menu would be nice

Sephrick wrote:
I just checked, it does work the opposite way from the current system. Whereas the seeker joins a party under other options, people can be invited to an existing party from the "Seek Party" option.

Like the rest of said, people just need to start using it.


Now pro-active party leaders have the tools to find passive players and invite them to join and partiers looking to participate in specific types of activities have the means to find groups with similar preferences. In most ways the virtues of this system far surpass the search system in XI.
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#6 Jul 24 2011 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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I tried it, but no one is using it. Gonna have to resort to shout to get a raid party I think :(

The two biggest issues with the system are how hard it is to understand what does what, and the fact that it's for very specific searches.
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#7 Jul 24 2011 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
I tried it, but no one is using it. Gonna have to resort to shout to get a raid party I think :(

The two biggest issues with the system are how hard it is to understand what does what, and the fact that it's for very specific searches.

I would disagree with this. While both of these are problems that need to be resolved, I would say the biggest problem would be player expectations. Now let me backpeddle here for a second; when I say player expectations, I don't mean that they are expecting too much or too little. Rather the player community is established enough at this point that no one expects the search function to be useful, so no one uses it. In turn, this means no one is going to try to use the new party flag because no one is looking for members that way. In turn, no one is looking for members that way because no one is going to put their flag up that way. Even if they implemented a great lfp function right now, as long as it is even remotely connected to their current system (even if the only similarity is it's called the same thing on the menu) there is an extremely high wall of player precedent that we both (the developers and us) have to get over.
#8 Jul 24 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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... how about they remove the whole party system as it currently exists and add a "seeking party" command and a search comment!? >_>
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#9 Jul 24 2011 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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KaneKitty wrote:
... how about they remove the whole party system as it currently exists and add a "seeking party" command and a search comment!? >_>


Shhh that'd be too easy.

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#10 Jul 24 2011 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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kainsilv wrote:
Now pro-active party leaders have the tools to find passive players and invite them to join and partiers looking to participate in specific types of activities have the means to find groups with similar preferences. In most ways the virtues of this system far surpass the search system in XI.


And yet it's also ridiculously convoluted.

First, the person seeking doesn't have a any sort of visible marker next to their name indicating as much. This would be the most mindlessly simple solution they could implement since at least you could gather at the partying location you're interested in and politely indicate you want to join a group without annoying everyone around you with relentless shouts.

Second, when you use the search feature to find people seeking, you can't just get a simple list of all the people who are seeking (of course it isn't that simple...). You have to this by repeatedly searching under each and every individual class name (there's no option to search for all classes). This might not be so bad if lots of people were seeking and you had a specific class in mind, but hardly anyone uses the feature and it could take you several minutes to confirm this for yourself after an exhaustive search.

So while you could be intermittently doing an occasional "/sea all inv" which may actually yield some success and encourage people to start using the system, you're forced into making SEVEN separate searches which probably won't hook you up with anyone. (And heaven forbid someone switch to a crafting class while they seek, because they'll never be found by anyone).

So, ultimately instead of doing 7 fruitless searches, you'll probably just do 0, and not bother with this broken system in the first place.

Edited, Jul 24th 2011 4:10pm by ForceOfMeh
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KaneKitty wrote:
... how about they remove the whole party system as it currently exists and add a "seeking party" command and a search comment!? >_>


They even have existing code from XI that they could just swap. How crazy an idea would it be to take something that worked perfectly and implement it. Must be mind-bogglingly complex.
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#12 Jul 24 2011 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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FFXI did the party search function really well. with modern science it could be even better. too bad what we have right now is a not so user friendly tab hidden amongst a bunch of other tabs and menues.
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#13 Jul 25 2011 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm... built a party using this system yesterday. Sure beat having to shout to build a party but the best part is I didn't cry once about doing seven searches.
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#14 Jul 25 2011 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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i put together an SP party yesterday for R25 ish tried to use this stupid pt search thing and it turned up nothing so i shouted for GLD and surprise surprise NOT 1 person replied.

I think there is a bigger underlying issue which is NO ONE wants to SP party the only thing people are interested in CONTENT CONTENT and MOAHHH CONTENT. Saw some shouts for "instanced raid yes please" and 1 or for leves/behest but thats it.

even my LS suggested instanced raid for SPing.

im sorry but for me this is hugely annoying that people have lost the appetite for party play and yet tons of people complain there is none on the forums and its not party friendly etc etc

While im enjoying the adjustments i think people are too focused on MOAH content and solo play. I really wish they would make it so soloing is only 10-25% as effective as generally partying then just maybe we will see people adopt it.

as things currently stand its just as effective if not more to just do leves, behest and now raids solo and group as little as possible cause heaven forbid you need to interact with random people to get stuff done.

Edited, Jul 25th 2011 7:03am by BlackstarrStrife
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#15 Jul 25 2011 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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Hulan wrote:
Rather the player community is established enough at this point that no one expects the search function to be useful, so no one uses it. In turn, this means no one is going to try to use the new party flag because no one is looking for members that way. In turn, no one is looking for members that way because no one is going to put their flag up that way. Even if they implemented a great lfp function right now, as long as it is even remotely connected to their current system (even if the only similarity is it's called the same thing on the menu) there is an extremely high wall of player precedent that we both (the developers and us) have to get over.

This.

The party search feature was (and in my opinion it's still) too complicated to use and it took way to long for SE to change something.
I bet it would be different if they managed to improve party search with the first patch.

The new search function is nice but the whole system still lacks in it's ease of use.
As with many other UI elements there's still too many menus and windows till you get what you want.

For party search there should be 1 window with all relevant settings and a big frame where the players or party leaders who meet the settings are listed. Then, if you want to invite someone or would like to ask for an invite, select the player from the list to either send a tell or invite.
I don't know how it's possible to make the party search such so unintuitive as they did.
Maybe they can do better now that they've fixed most of their server issues and improved the database searches.
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#16 Jul 26 2011 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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Oh... By the way. I did some checking with some friends tonight. It remembers the class you have equipped when you set your flag to "Seek Invite". You can change classes afterwards to something else and it will remember the class used when you commenced the search and will last until the recruitment runs out.

Edited, Jul 27th 2011 1:42pm by kainsilv
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