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#1 Jul 25 2011 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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leves and behest doesnt give me any SP now, how the **** am I suppose to rank up? I like this new update but I am raging at the fact that they made the behest and leves completely useless. I mean the graphic team did an awesome job by making this game look more brighter and smoother but were the others drunk when they thought suppressing the SP gain was a good idea? and inb4 raids, because I'm only r23

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#2 Jul 25 2011 at 4:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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what game are you playing? I'm R38 and soloing/duoing leves at 3-4s is giving me an ungodly amount of sp as rewards for difficulty and finishing quickly. Also, try grinding...it's fantastical. 30k xp/hr
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#3 Jul 25 2011 at 4:25 AM Rating: Good
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Leve give SP on completion, scaled with leve rank and difficulty (stars). You get some bonus on fast completion, that means if you want the most out of it, you need a pt to do 5 stars leves of highest rank you can do, as fast as possible. It's pretty decent actually, soloing 1 star r40 leve give me 2.8k SP for quick clear, while 5 stars r40 give 4k-4.5k SP on quick clear.

You can always try to grind on mobs that has high base SP, things like Eft, Peiste, Beastmen, Raptor etc.
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#4 Jul 25 2011 at 4:33 AM Rating: Decent
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so its all about finishing the leves fast as I can if Im soloing it?
#5 Jul 25 2011 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
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samoozy wrote:
so its all about finishing the leves fast as I can if Im soloing it?


It's about your rank and the rank of the leve (rank of the mobs), the number of Stars (difficulty/rank of mobs) AND how fast you finish the leve.

That means that you'll get rewarded with more SP if you fight harder mobs and/or finish the leve as fast as you can.
You get a higher reward for higher risk and more effort and vice versa.
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#6 Jul 25 2011 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
Try doing a DoL leve. The SP on those will blow you away.
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#7 Jul 25 2011 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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I felt the same way for a day.The thing about leves and behest now is to look at the bonuses at the end, then you'll think it's worth it. Don't make them too tough or you'll regret it.
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#8 Jul 25 2011 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
Try doing a DoL leve. The SP on those will blow you away.


I want to test a DoL or DoH leve using the Company Books (but I don't know how well they work and I don't want to test when I'm limited on time and leves are still my best soling SP for DoW any way... I may test on DoH if I get time... hopefully some one will answer my thread before I do though and then I can remain lazy and not test for myself ^.^)
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#9 Jul 25 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Warmech wrote:
I felt the same way for a day.The thing about leves and behest now is to look at the bonuses at the end, then you'll think it's worth it. Don't make them too tough or you'll regret it.


You can 5 star them all and it's really not going to feel worth the effort(When all you can do are Rank20 leves).

The bonus SP for rank20 leves is no more than 1.3k. That's the highest I've seen so far, and that isn't much at all with the new way mobs scale(They don't increase by 5 levels per star anymore, and they max out at rank32 for 20 leves). With certain leves I was able to get near that amount from a single mob.

Leves really are kind of useless, at rank20 at least. Not sure what behest sp is like as I haven't tried one since the update. Can't imagine it's much better.

As boring as these leves got(Oh wow, Imps are disguising themselves as some other creature? What a new idea) I liked the idea of having a mission to get my SP, not randomly slaughtering whatever harmless creature crosses my path. Grinding is boring to me. Grinding with direction(Kill these 6 marmots for no reason!) made me want to play more. I don't mind the lowered gil rewards for the leves no, but really wish they had left the SP alone.

The only good thing about this leve change is that the RMT seem to have plain given up on doing them now. I haven't seen a single one of them at the camps since the night of the update.
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#10 Jul 25 2011 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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The addition of the beastcamps are a nice way to grind too. Grab a few other members and go to town. They spawn at a decent rate and give pretty good sp for the fight.
#11 Jul 25 2011 at 8:51 PM Rating: Excellent
At rank 32, I just did a three-star leve in Nanawa Mines and got like 200+ SP/kill (10 kills), plus around 1.7k bonus SP at the end. So 3.7k exp in about 10-12 minutes. I'd hardly call that useless.
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#12 Jul 25 2011 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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Things are gravy if you spread out a little.

As a Rank 41 Marauder, I did four Rank 40 leves at one star and got about 4k SP bonus each as well as a Behest at both Bald Knoll and Iron Lake which gave me about 3k each.

Including the SP per kill and two quests I turned in I topped out at about 30k for two hours of play time.

Plus, leves reset tomorrow so by the time I'm home from work I can do it all again then I can focus on crafts till the next reset!


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#13 Jul 26 2011 at 12:29 AM Rating: Good
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I'm in the same guild with the OP, and I agree. It seems like leves get better at higher ranks now, but I'm r27, and my 20 and 30 leves (horizon and mines) are pretty garbage, as is behest. Behest grants me ~120/mob where it used to grant 200+, my leves give me 100-120/mob (with the mobs ranked 8-10 ranks higher than myself), with a paltry bonus of maybe 1k at the end that does not make it worthwhile. In short, I'm now just as good grinding out coblyns in the mines, maybe better, then I am bothering with leves, experience-wise at least. Grinding out 300 iron coblyns for a rank at such a low rank just seems like an unnecessarily arduous task, but maybe I'm just lazy.

As a comparison, pre-patch i would do horizon behest, then a leve inbetween, than behest, rinse/repeat. Then went to mines, then patch came. Now the behest timer thing ****** it up, plus it doesn't rank me up any faster than before. If I got like a 3k reward at the end of leves id be fine, or maybe at least 180-200 per mob. It's just a little too retarded.
#14 Jul 26 2011 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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I wasn’t really happy with the patch but it has grown on me. I think the patch notes will shock most of us but when you actually get into the meat of the game its clear that it’s a step in the right direction. Its not there fully, but its walking down that path.

Before the patch I hit 3 levels in 3 nights, R40 to R43, and I thought the party was over, Id have to grind my way to 50. Not so; after the patch I went from R43 to R45 in 2 days, and if it wasn’t for server maintenance I would have had R46. The Leve leveling system isn’t broken, it works, but its not the center of our world anymore. Its just a piece of the pie.

Leves: I used to think these were useless after 1.18, but I now see them for what Yoshi wants them to be. Leves are pure solo or small man group content once per reset. If done at the appropriate camp and set at appropriate star rating the bonus can be substantial. I have done these solo, 2 and 3 man parties and in each case its about 10 minutes of combat per leve and then a 3k to 5k bonus at the end.

Just yesterday I stacked 6 leves (3 per R40 camp) ran out there with some buddies and did all 6 in roughly an hour. Linked up all 6, used Guardian Aspect on half, I set the star rating to 5 then lowered to 4 if mobs were too difficult, and walk away with over 40k SP earned in just 1.5 hours tops. That’s pretty good! All that and I still had 2 leves to spend.

The point is, the new way to look at leves is a single approach to leveling, not the only approach. Maximise your output by snagging a pal or two to link with and burn through the leves fast and move on. In the total time I had to play or 1.5 hours I gathered 6 leves, 1 partner with the same, ported out, did 3 leves, took a 10 minute break, finished the last 3 leves and ported back to town with 40k SP in the bank for my R45. Its easy to see low bonus and think it’s a horrible system. I know I did, but they changed each camp so R30 camps aren’t for anyone over R39.

Behests: They are easier to solo now, so dead camps can have a decent bonus if your wandering past, or in the midst of leves. It’s a good chunk of SP for relatively small effort. Lets put it this way, random NPC quests typically give 500 to 1500 SP for a long trip somewhere and then return after. Behests give more SP, and typically take far less time just due to travel being close to camp. Worth doing if your nearby, even solo.

Grinding: Mob grinding while some think is horrendous can be fun in a group. Just recently I ported out to meet 3 friends grinding away on mobs. The SP was good, the respawns could have been better, we should have moved on but we were having fun as a group chatting and cracking wise about Jurassic Park references. Grinding doesn’t have to be mindless.

Dungeons: Not stellar SP, but definatley appreciated when it does come in. I ran 3 runs thru the R45 dungeon shortly after hitting 45. I walked away with 25k SP earned, not to bad, not great but welcome addition to the SP pool.

Quests: Class and City quests give great SP. If you have done them all, that sucks, but Im sure others will come in time. Pick up a new class, run the quests you haven’t done.
#15 Jul 26 2011 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
Try doing a DoL leve. The SP on those will blow you away.


I want to test a DoL or DoH leve using the Company Books (but I don't know how well they work and I don't want to test when I'm limited on time and leves are still my best soling SP for DoW any way... I may test on DoH if I get time... hopefully some one will answer my thread before I do though and then I can remain lazy and not test for myself ^.^)
A friend of mine says that the scrolls/books give good SP. They last 3 hours, but like exp rings in ffxi, they have point limit, too. I'm wary of buying almost anything with seals until we get some repeatable way of getting them, though, so ehhhhhhhhhhhh.
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#16 Jul 26 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think the problem is in the level 20-30 region where the SP gains are a bit on the low side when Leve-ing. I have a R45 archer and the new leve system is awesome for the amount of time i invest. I get good progress. However, while levelling my rank 23 glady, leveing is just not worth the time spent. u barely get a couple k per leve. especially with only 1 rank 20 camp.
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#17 Jul 26 2011 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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I think the problem is in the level 20-30 region where the SP gains are a bit on the low side when Leve-ing. I have a R45 archer and the new leve system is awesome for the amount of time i invest. I get good progress. However, while levelling my rank 23 glady, leveing is just not worth the time spent. u barely get a couple k per leve. especially with only 1 rank 20 camp.


I could see that being painful, and a drain on Anima if you travel to another city/R20 camp.

I think a decent alternative for someone in the 20s would be snag a buddy, or even a random person your rank and try out the new camps of mobs. Some arent marked, and they are like little gems of SP. Save your leves for gaining guildmarks, and get SP faster with a little duo grind on beastmen. There are Caravans not marked if you look for them. Or run the new R25 dungeon, it has good SP return for the time spent inside. And lastly, look for the Class and City quests you may not have completed. Good Sp may get you over a hump when your dragging, and move you to R30 where Leves have 2 camps.
#18 Jul 26 2011 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
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Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
Try doing a DoL leve. The SP on those will blow you away.


I want to test a DoL or DoH leve using the Company Books (but I don't know how well they work and I don't want to test when I'm limited on time and leves are still my best soling SP for DoW any way... I may test on DoH if I get time... hopefully some one will answer my thread before I do though and then I can remain lazy and not test for myself ^.^)
A friend of mine says that the scrolls/books give good SP. They last 3 hours, but like exp rings in ffxi, they have point limit, too. I'm wary of buying almost anything with seals until we get some repeatable way of getting them, though, so ehhhhhhhhhhhh.


I thought the current amount of seals available is to help new players getting decent weapons. There are 4 weapons available priced at 250, 500, 1000 and 4000 marks, which are exactly what you get after each quests.
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Khornette wrote:
Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
Perrin, ****** Superhero wrote:
Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
Try doing a DoL leve. The SP on those will blow you away.


I want to test a DoL or DoH leve using the Company Books (but I don't know how well they work and I don't want to test when I'm limited on time and leves are still my best soling SP for DoW any way... I may test on DoH if I get time... hopefully some one will answer my thread before I do though and then I can remain lazy and not test for myself ^.^)
A friend of mine says that the scrolls/books give good SP. They last 3 hours, but like exp rings in ffxi, they have point limit, too. I'm wary of buying almost anything with seals until we get some repeatable way of getting them, though, so ehhhhhhhhhhhh.


I thought the current amount of seals available is to help new players getting decent weapons. There are 4 weapons available priced at 250, 500, 1000 and 4000 marks, which are exactly what you get after each quests.


Indeed they can be used for that. I used a scroll tonight. I've got to say, for 200 seals, about 10k extra SP on DoH/L is well worth it. Though, I don't think I'll be spending anymore seals on anything until the GC system is fleshed out more.

The NPC said seals will be used in gaining ranks in the Company of choice, so I'm hesitant to spend anymore right now.
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I average about 200 sp per kill and 700-900 SP reward lately. Since the change in MP costs, I've had to resort to playing things on a lower difficulty or face death at the hands of my enemies. This is especially so against those pesky Wights since I can't use Siphon on them.
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#21 Jul 27 2011 at 12:08 AM Rating: Decent
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nah, I find sitting around with thumb up **** more useless. Honestly when solo, I am still getting about 30k a leve run now on 40s. Same I was getting before. Now, obviously its lower in a group when before we could get crazy SP with links. We can't get as much SP on leves like dunesfolk anymore, but I have noticed the bonus alone can be higher then what we use to get on the really bad leves before the patch.

If doing a full run of leves I actually think its about the same total exp as before. people just don't feel that way because of the much smaller per mob exp. This is solo though of course.

Also, lets not forget that exp grind parties.... can actually work now! and there are lots of new things to grind on now.

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I dunno, I think people are just like give me give me give me. What did you think they were going to do when they removed the fatigue system from the game. For the most part even with fatigue people had little trouble getting to 50 they just had an artificial stop sign telling them to level another class while it recharges. With the way it's setup now it encourages actually completing a leve objective rather then farm the mobs in said objective.

Even if some may say well it's still grinding, the purpose of a leve is to complete an objective, the way people were doing leves before at least from what I have heard was more like a construction worker that gets paid hourly and takes their sweet time on a job since they are getting paid by the hour. Now leves are more like salary pay where your actualy effort in completing said leves determines your gains. Since fatigue was eliminated Behest had to change as well.

The best way to think about it is, Behest is a leve you can do every hour. If you are xping in an area you can just run over and do a behest to add a boost to your gains. I also find dungeons to be an awesome xp experience, granted I think the timer on the 25 one is broken since it never seems to actually set a timer on it or lol. I did 4 dungeon runs tonight and basically got enough xp to go from 30-31. Granted sure it took like 4hrs but it doesn't feel like 4hrs cause during that time you are attempting an objective to defeat a boss and obtain gear so in a sense even if it does take longer to level it's fun lol.

I think people that claim leves/behest to be useless neglect how things need to be balanced out. Done right I would say in one class you can gain about 10-20k per leve tally if you focus on one class. Sure it's not as high as before however you don't have to worry about fatigue kicking in so perhaps if you have more time on you, you are free to kill mobs and do behest. Heck if you're going to school or maybe take a lunchbreak at 00, or :30 why not do a quick behest while eating then head back to work. For those studying or doing school work they can take short hourly breaks to do a quick behest to gain some xp. So ya I think things just need to be given a broader perspective of how they work.

With what they've had to work with they've done a remarkable job fixing things up to make the game more acceptable and I stick by saying had the game looked like this upon release it would've been praised for the most part.

If anything is lacking atm I would say the 45 dungeon since a majority of those who do it are already 50 so there's no reason to kill the mobs in the way so you just rush for the boss. However I would suggest that perhaps once materia is released they could add "xp" boost to the process of materia, for dungeons the mob could give extra xp for the materia, as for leve/behest it could work in the same manner as the skill bonus now where a boost is given at the end, though it is tough since people could change their gear at the end so I can see imbalance with that. The only other thing I can think of is perhaps only have behest/dungeons offer materia gain boost and leave leves the same since if they did allow boost in leves it would lead to the same situation they have with people exploiting it for xp gains.

Honestly the only thing really missing right now is a greater focus on DoL, DoH will gets it's day with materia but DoL is still missing something to make it stick out. While sure they can obtain a wide variety of mats without killing mobs, they are limited by gather fatigue as well as lacking any other sort of utility. I'm hoping we'll hear something about it in August since they have shown materia but I would be disappointed if they haven't thought about anything for DoL.

Overall though people who were use to the old skill gains just need to take a step back and see it in more of an analytical matter rather then an omg my leveling is slower now. Leveling is suppose to be slow and take time. You should enjoy your objective to the max level but the game shouldn't be hey I'm lv 1, now I'm lv 50. There should be middle ground where you are a certain level and enjoy aspects of the game in those levels.
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lol Scape13, I find your stupid post even more useless clearly you do not understand the situation here... you're r40, Im r20.. yeah no sh*t you get more SP and crap for your rank, this update was done for higher ranks like your self, but not for lower ranks like me. Also Yoshi P mentioned readjusting the leves for r20-30 based on the forums in his newest letter so clearly there is a problem dum ***.

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lol Scape13, I find your stupid post even more useless clearly you do not understand the situation here... you're r40, Im r20.. yeah no sh*t you get more SP and crap for your rank, this update was done for higher ranks like your self, but not for lower ranks like me. Also Yoshi P mentioned readjusting the leves for r20-30 based on the forums in his newest letter so clearly there is a problem dum ***.

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Instead of getting snarky and rude, why dont you actually ask someone to show you or go look for SP yourself. You can stumble on it if you wander outside.

1. Leves and linking with 2 or 3 people is healthy SP for your rank at the R20 camp.
2. Behests are still viable boost for a short amount of work. Sure its once per hour but its still easy SP for little effort.
3. Do a class quest or city quest. The SP from them was turned on and is worth it.
4. If your R25 or higher, the dungeon they added is good SP. And its not that hard to find 3 other people who want to go. Shout if you have too.
5. There are R30 to 40 mobs that you and a 2 or 3 friends can rank up on in the 3 city-state zones. Find a beastmen camp, raptors are good too, or anything with a high return on each kill and burn thru them. Beastmen coins are currently useless but they vendor for alot or save them for possible additions to the game not yet implemented.
6. Stop being a jerk, SP is raining from the sky. All you have to do is Look UP!
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