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#1 Jul 30 2011 at 5:43 PM Rating: Default
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I'm wanting to try this game and would trade a SC2 Pass for a Buddy Pass (if any exist anymore). P.M me if interested.
#2 Jul 30 2011 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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A starcraft 2 pass is 6 hours of playtime.

Just a heads up for all those interested in this terrible trade.
#3 Jul 30 2011 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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7 actually and at least I'm trying to trade something for it instead of outright asking for a hand out.
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7 actually


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#5 Jul 30 2011 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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Give you a free game for a 7 hour demo...
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#6 Jul 30 2011 at 7:36 PM Rating: Default
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Actually 14 since I have 2 and demo means you don't get access to full game just the "demo" of it, SC2 passes give you access to the full game. I'm not getting the game for free, it's for 30 days not to mention the game is free at the moment to begin with.

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#7 Jul 30 2011 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
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UltimaMan wrote:
Actually 14 since I have 2 and demo means you don't get access to full game just the "demo" of it, SC2 passes give you access to the full game. I'm not getting the game for free, it's for 30 days not to mention the game is free at the moment to begin with.

*Please note that FINAL FANTASY XIV is not charging monthly subscription fees at this time.


Perhaps you don't understand. The "buddy pass" that came with FFXIV CE's, which are the only "buddy passes" for this game, are actual retail box codes. In other words, those who get "buddy passes" do not have to buy the game when subs start, they only have to pay the sub just as if they purchased the retail game.

So no, a 7 hour trial is not worth trading for a full game purchase.

Edited, Jul 30th 2011 11:17pm by Zorvan
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#8Ostia, Posted: Jul 30 2011 at 9:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 7 hours of fun vs a lifetime of waiting...... hmm hard choice
#9 Jul 30 2011 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought the buddy pass was simply a 30 day trial after which you buy your own copy of the game, not the one your friend let you install, to keep playing as the buddy pass code wouldn't work anymore?

Edited, Jul 30th 2011 11:46pm by UltimaMan

Edited, Jul 30th 2011 11:47pm by UltimaMan
#10 Jul 30 2011 at 10:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nope, the buddy pass works just like a retail serial key. But at this point, 10 months after release, most of them have probably been given away. Hard to find one now.
#11 Jul 31 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey, I remember that ******** SC2 pass. It's not 7 hours of playtime, it's a 7 hour timer that counts down whether you're playing or not. Yeah, no thanks.
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#12 Jul 31 2011 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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quoted from another buddy pass thread

Magnesium02 wrote:

Buddy Pass Frequently Asked Questions:

What is a Buddy Pass?

Game Trial Code = a code that gives your account access to a game with certain provisos like
a) you can only reach up to a certain level before you have to buy the game and unlock your character
b) you can only use your account for a period of time (eg 30 days) before you have to buy the game to continue the account

FFXIV Buddy Code = full game code that opens your account permanently and without restriction. Once you apply a registration code to your square enix account you can create characters and play for as long as you want without level restrictions. You won't have to buy the game yourself later as there is nothing to unlock, you will already have full access to the game

FFXIV Buddy Code ≠ Game Trial Code


Is FFXIV free?
FFXIV is free to play right now. Until the developers reach a stage where they are happy with the systems and content, the monthly account charge and charges for characters are not applied to you. What that means is that if you get a buddy pass given to you, you can create an account and create characters without having to pay a cent.

Why aren't there many codes?
Buddy passes were only given out with the collectors edition released in September 2010. It has been 9-10ish months since then. In that time there have been a lot of people who have left, probably discarding their buddy passes if they had them. There are people who gave their buddy passes away at the start. And there are people who used their buddy passes to create alternate accounts for themselves so they can have access to more retainers, more anima from transport mules and ability to have leve linking mules. All in all there are probably very few unused buddy passes floating around out there.

Why don't those people who do have them give them out?
They are valuable in the sense that they are a full game. As mentioned above about the game being free, if you paid money tog et the collectors edition, for reasons like being excited over the game or being a huge fan of the series, you will most likely not be willing to give the game away free to someone who is all 'Oh I just wanna try it out and see if it is for me. I'm not committed enough to want to buy it and give money to the producers, but I want to muck around, see how it handles and then possibly leave forever, wasting your buddy pass if I don't like it.'

Also if they have held onto their buddy pass for this long, they either have plans for it, or possibly want to invite friends to the game to play with them but won't do so until the game is better in their eyes.

And thirdly you may be a RMT. It is possible to download and patch the FFXIV game client through torrents and file sharing sites. An RMT person could come onto a gaming forum like this, create a dozen accounts and spam requests for a buddy pass. If they succeed they would have complete access on an account to run around and farm gil for free. They would not have to outlay any costs in order to make money = profit for them. So someone who actually cares about the game enough to have held onto their buddy pass would not be wanting to give it out so some stranger who may be pulling a sob story to try and make a profit.

Is there anything I can do to get a buddy pass?
Be patient. Be polite. If there is someone out there kind and generous enough to have a buddy pass to give out, it will be to someone who can prove they are worth it. A post from someone with a brand new account who writes in leetspeak and doesn't say please or thankyou is less likely to get a positive response than someone who asks nicely and has spend some time on the forum being helpful if they can be.

What else can I do?
Look in bargain bins and places online. Some retailers have copies of the standard edition (comes with one regn code only) for less than $10. If you can spare that you can try and buy yourself a copy, so if you don't decide to play you are only wasting a little bit of your own money, rather than someone else’s buddy pass.


tl:dr The buddy pass isn't a trial. It is a full game. If someone gives you a buddy pass you wont have to buy the game, ever. The chances of you getting a buddy pass are extremely slim. You are better off finding a cheap copy somewhere online so you can play and not waste that much money should you decide not to continue.

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I don't mean to come off mean or abrasive, but we have receved quite a number of requests for buddy passes (not to mention the 2 dozen or so threads made before the sticky was created), yet no one seems to understand the difference between a game trial and the FFXIV buddy pass. If you are a genuine person, best of luck to you.

#13 Jul 31 2011 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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I gave my buddy pass away for free. Please dont hit me.
#14 Jul 31 2011 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Prototyp wrote:
I gave my buddy pass away for free. Please dont hit me.


*grabs pitchfork and torch*

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just kidding lol. seriously though it's your code so you can do with it as you please.
#15 Jul 31 2011 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I gave my buddy pass to my friend at launch, who (he received his box late) gave his normal ed code to his friend , who (received box even later) I think gave his own normal ed code to another guy...

Didn't try to figure out what happen with the last recipient.

Edited, Aug 1st 2011 1:35am by Khornette
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#16Migabit, Posted: Aug 14 2011 at 5:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hi.... im new to this game. i recently down loaded it. but now i need a buddy pass... sigh :(
#17 Aug 14 2011 at 9:16 PM Rating: Default
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UltimaMan wrote:
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A starcraft 2 pass is 6 hours of playtime.

Just a heads up for all those interested in this terrible trade.

7 actually...


Seems fair to me :P
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#18 Aug 15 2011 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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BTW, this isn't just a terrible trade because the SC2 pass is time-limited--it's because Blizzard did away with SC2 trial passes and everyone can now play the "Starter Edition" of SC2.

Edited, Aug 15th 2011 9:46am by yfaithfully
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#19 Aug 15 2011 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
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It's still fair because SC2 is a game people actually want to play. My point was that even if it was only 7 hours, this is probably pretty close to the life expectancy of a new player before they realize they might never log in to XIV again.
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#20 Aug 16 2011 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I think I've played about 7 hours (half of that was taking screen shots and recording lore for my blog). The play controls are just so clunky and the interface is so awkward that I can't bring myself to play more, despite having a very modest amount of interest in the world.

That said, I doubt the SC2 trial codes even work any more, because EVERYONE can download SC2 and play the first 4 missions for free now. Don't make the trade.
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#21FilthMcNasty, Posted: Aug 16 2011 at 12:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They still work. I just played on one last week before I finally broke down and picked up the game. Great story, great graphics and gameplay and the cutscenes... probably the most beautiful cutscenes I've seen to date.
#22 Aug 16 2011 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
It's still fair because SC2 is a game people actually want to play. My point was that even if it was only 7 hours, this is probably pretty close to the life expectancy of a new player before they realize they might never log in to XIV again.


How about going on Ebay and compare price between FFXIV buddy key and SC2 pass? That seems a fair way to me, since the market will determine it.
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#23 Aug 17 2011 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Khornette wrote:
How about going on Ebay and compare price between FFXIV buddy key and SC2 pass? That seems a fair way to me, since the market will determine it.


You're missing the point. I think we can all agree, if you were faced with the dilemma of taking money(about 10 bucks for XIV retail) or taking either the XIV pass or the SC2 trial, we'd all take the money. The problem with that is, neither the buddy pass nor the SC2 trial have any monetary value. The market does not determine 'entertainment value'. Personally I'd rather spend 7 hours playing SC2 than ******* around with C&B.

To add insult to injury, go and look at what SC2 players got with their collector's edition over what XIV players got. Obvious winner is obvious. Go look on an SC2 forum for posts about how bad the game is and/or how long it will take to fix it. Pretty much non-existent.

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Khornette wrote:
How about going on Ebay and compare price between FFXIV buddy key and SC2 pass? That seems a fair way to me, since the market will determine it.


You're missing the point. I think we can all agree, if you were faced with the dilemma of taking money(about 10 bucks for XIV retail) or taking either the XIV pass or the SC2 trial, we'd all take the money. The problem with that is, neither the buddy pass nor the SC2 trial have any monetary value. The market does not determine 'entertainment value'. Personally I'd rather spend 7 hours playing SC2 than @#%^ing around with C&B.

To add insult to injury, go and look at what SC2 players got with their collector's edition over what XIV players got. Obvious winner is obvious. Go look on an SC2 forum for posts about how bad the game is and/or how long it will take to fix it. Pretty much non-existent.



The market will determine it. How much a person willing to pay out for that SC2 trial key, is how much a person think he would get out of it. Same thing applies for FFXIV Buddy Key. Obvious winner in your own world is obvious winner, but the real world isn't, because people's 'entertainment value' varies greatly. SC2 is great, but not to everyone and it's very much obvious. Otherwise each and everyone who is a PC gamer would have one, correct?
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#25 Aug 17 2011 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Khornette wrote:
The market will determine it.

A year ago people were willing to pay hundreds of dollars to get into the alpha test. Today you can't beg someone to cough up a ten spot to play the full version even with all the updates and adjustments. Over a year ago people were willing to pay for SC2 testing and today, a year later, they still pay full retail price. Conclusion?

Khornette wrote:
Obvious winner in your own world is obvious winner, but the real world isn't, because people's 'entertainment value' varies greatly.

Welcome to Earth, an aqueous celestial body where 5 million > 50 thousand and people play videogames because they enjoy them, not because ebay said they have value.





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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#26 Aug 17 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Default
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Khornette wrote:
The market will determine it.

A year ago people were willing to pay hundreds of dollars to get into the alpha test. Today you can't beg someone to cough up a ten spot to play the full version even with all the updates and adjustments. Over a year ago people were willing to pay for SC2 testing and today, a year later, they still pay full retail price. Conclusion?

Khornette wrote:
Obvious winner in your own world is obvious winner, but the real world isn't, because people's 'entertainment value' varies greatly.

Welcome to Earth, an aqueous celestial body where 5 million > 50 thousand and people play videogames because they enjoy them, not because ebay said they have value.







Yea your 5 million is obvious larger than 6 billion odd people. Welcome to Alternate Earth, where FilthMcNasty sense of value dominate 6 billion odd people sense of value. If you want to play so much with number, might I remind you against of case of Perfect World 50 million vs case of WoW like what 15 million?

You obviously don't get it into your head, Ebay is the closest free-market equivalent to those thing right now. You can make up whatever you want, the fact that they have a price tag to them mean more than your blah blah.

Btw, I get it that those SC2 pass worth much more than FFXIV buddy pass to you. I mean, you can always buy a FFXIV Buddy Pass or something equivalent and trade it to the guy for those SC2 passes, right? I know you will totally do that.

Edited, Aug 17th 2011 6:22am by Khornette
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#27 Aug 17 2011 at 4:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Khornette wrote:
Yea your 5 million is obvious larger than 6 billion odd people.

Roughly 11 million subs for WoW. Over 5 million people play SC2. Maybe 50 thousand play XIV. Given it's popularity, it isn't improbable that of the people who bought the XIV CE, someone might actually want to try SC2 out. A free pass for a free pass seems like a fair trade to me, especially considering that XIV is still basically in a beta test state right now.

Khornette wrote:
Ebay is the closest free-market equivalent to those thing right now.

Ebay says that approximately 0 XIV buddy passes are for sale. Does that mean nobody wants it, nobody is willing to pay for it, it has no value or some combination of the three?

Khornette wrote:
Btw, I get it that those SC2 pass worth much more than FFXIV buddy pass to you. I mean, you can always buy a FFXIV Buddy Pass or something equivalent and trade it to the guy for those SC2 passes, right? I know you will totally do that.

No, you don't get it at all. I bought SC2 because it was 'worth' it to me. Not by some free market value determined by ebay, but because it is entertaining. I don't buy free passes. I was given one for SC2 and it turned out to be something I ended up liking enough to purchase. XIV on the other hand is something I wouldn't give away to anyone I considered a 'buddy', much less expect anyone to pay for it.

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Bye bye world dominator of 6 billion odd people. Buddy pass isn't free, which is why people alread bought them up on Ebay (they were $10). SC2 passes are still there for $1. We are not here to compare which is the more popular/more value between the two games, we are comparing the value between the two passes. However, since you're the World First Dictator, you just don't get simple thing like that.

Also, Perfect World > SC2 + WoW combined. 50 million. Thank you. Based on your logic, I'm happy to trade 1 free PWI account registration for whatever pass you got.


Edited, Aug 17th 2011 7:22am by Khornette
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Khornette wrote:
We are not here to compare which is the more popular/more value between the two games, [u]we are comparing[/b] the value between the two passes.

We are not comparing the value, we are comparing the value? Contradict much? You are the only one comparing value. I'm comparing fun. Games are not fun because they are popular, but when they are popular it is most likely because they are fun... get it? No? I didn't think so.

Based on my logic, if you already have a full version of a game it is perfectly reasonable to trade a free pass you wouldn't use for another free pass that might turn out to be something you enjoy. Common sense is not so common for some it would appear.



Edited, Aug 17th 2011 8:01am by FilthMcNasty
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Khornette wrote:
We are not here to compare which is the more popular/more value between the two games, [u]we are comparing[/b] the value between the two passes.

We are not comparing the value, we are comparing the value? Contradict much? You are the only one comparing value. I'm comparing fun. Games are not fun because they are popular, but when they are popular it is most likely because they are fun... get it? No? I didn't think so.

Based on my logic, if you already have a full version of a game it is perfectly reasonable to trade a free pass you wouldn't use for another free pass that might turn out to be something you enjoy. Common sense is not so common for some it would appear.



Edited, Aug 17th 2011 8:01am by FilthMcNasty


You said "entertainment value". I also said very clearly (or maybe not clear enough for you) we don't compare the two games, we compare the two passes. Get it? Two passes unequal two games! Rocket science!

And your common sense doesn't seem to apply to the rest of the forum/other people on this world. Why don't you trade him before you are asking other people to do it? Why are there no more/very few buddy passes left? I thought the majority of CE purchasers were so disgust with FFXIV they are so readily to throw away the passes for free even. Oh and what happen to your busy time again, sorry I was making you busy posting here instead of like maybe conquer over another country?
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A seven-hour trial code for a game that already has a universal free trial option versus a full retail key for a game? I don't think it takes eBay to see the difference there.
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A seven-hour trial code for a game that already has a universal free trial option versus a full retail key for a game? I don't think it takes eBay to see the difference there.

The XIV buddy pass would seem to be the better option because it offers a full version and not a timed trial. The problem is that it is a full version of a horrible game that hardly anyone finds enjoyable and wants to play.

Would you rather pay a few bucks to have access to a few songs from the new album of your favorite band or free tix to a Justin Bieber concert? One of these will sell for more on ebay, but for most people it sucks balls.
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Caesura wrote:
A seven-hour trial code for a game that already has a universal free trial option versus a full retail key for a game? I don't think it takes eBay to see the difference there.

The XIV buddy pass would seem to be the better option because it offers a full version and not a timed trial. The problem is that it is a full version of a horrible game that hardly anyone finds enjoyable and wants to play.

Would you rather pay a few bucks to have access to a few songs from the new album of your favorite band or free tix to a Justin Bieber concert? One of these will sell for more on ebay, but for most people it sucks balls.


You are not making common sense. Stuff can be sold for more because people are willing to buy them at those price. Nobody is forcing you to pay, you don't like it you don't pay for it. Picasso arts sell for millions upon millions and honestly if someone going to give me those I would rather sell them for moolah. Yet I'm not going to say Picasso arts suck, because to many richer people they aren't.

Horrible game still have people buy and play them, they still sell.

But I guess trying to make sense to you wouldn't work. I mean anyone will understand the saying of "I'm not going this way, I'm going that way." doesn't have an ounce of contradiction.

Edited, Aug 18th 2011 2:21am by Khornette

Edited, Aug 18th 2011 2:21am by Khornette
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Khornette wrote:
Stuff can be sold for more because people are willing to buy them at those price.

No one is debating this. All I said was that because XIV is such a poor game, the full retail version is worth as much to me as a 7 hour trial of a good game. A friend of mine gave me his account after he quit, so I have access to XIV whenever I want to play it. Like most of the people here on these forums I login for a few hours after an update, check to see what is new and improved, shake my head and logout for another few months. I didn't buy this game at launch, I didn't buy it when the price dropped to 10 bucks and I still can't be bothered to login for more than an hour or two every few months even when it is free. It isn't fun to play. 0 value to me regardless of what someone else is willing to pay. Get it?

Khornette wrote:
Picasso arts sell for millions upon millions and honestly if someone going to give me those I would rather sell them for moolah. Yet I'm not going to say Picasso arts suck, because to many richer people they aren't.

If you want to make an analogy, compare it to something similar. XIV is far, far from a work of art.

This really isn't a matter of opinion either. SE stepped up and said that they are aware their game stinks and will pretty much be considered a failure up until PS3 version is released. You have taken up your sword to defend them when they won't even defend their product themselves. Why?

Khornette wrote:
Horrible game still have people buy and play them, they still sell.

This is exactly what Tanaka was thinking when he gave the go ahead on the release date for XIV.

Komoto: We can't release this game yet Tanakasan, it sucks balls!

Tanaka: Yes, yes it does Komotosan. It's @#%^ing horrible, but horrible games still have people buy and play them. It will still sell...

I sincerely doubt it.





Edited, Aug 18th 2011 4:21am by FilthMcNasty
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Khornette wrote:
Stuff can be sold for more because people are willing to buy them at those price.

No one is debating this. All I said was that because XIV is such a poor game, the full retail version is worth as much to me as a 7 hour trial of a good game. A friend of mine gave me his account after he quit, so I have access to XIV whenever I want to play it. Like most of the people here on these forums I login for a few hours after an update, check to see what is new and improved, shake my head and logout for another few months. I didn't buy this game at launch, I didn't buy it when the price dropped to 10 bucks and I still can't be bothered to login for more than an hour or two every few months even when it is free. It isn't fun to play. 0 value to me regardless of what someone else is willing to pay. Get it?

Khornette wrote:
Picasso arts sell for millions upon millions and honestly if someone going to give me those I would rather sell them for moolah. Yet I'm not going to say Picasso arts suck, because to many richer people they aren't.

If you want to make an analogy, compare it to something similar. XIV is far, far from a work of art.

This really isn't a matter of opinion either. SE stepped up and said that they are aware their game stinks and will pretty much be considered a failure up until PS3 version is released. You have taken up your sword to defend them when they won't even defend their product themselves. Why?

Khornette wrote:
Horrible game still have people buy and play them, they still sell.

This is exactly what Tanaka was thinking when he gave the go ahead on the release date for XIV.

Komoto: We can't release this game yet Tanakasan, it sucks balls!

Tanaka: Yes, yes it does Komotosan. It's @#%^ing horrible, but horrible games still have people buy and play them. It will still sell...

I sincerely doubt it.





Edited, Aug 18th 2011 4:21am by FilthMcNasty


You entirely miss the point. Game sucks, but they aren't free, and you don't decide that. Deal with it. In your mind it doesn't worth as much as SC2 Pass, but Ebay doesn't say so, and you entirely miss that point. Let me phrase it again, the market dictate how much X Y Z worth, not YOU. Savvy? Game sucks, that's why they drop it to $15 here and there, then go back to $35. But it isn't free like you want it, sorry. SC2 Pass on the other hand, is either free or sold on Ebay for $1. I can't understand why someone who supposedly has some common sense can't manage to understand $15 > $1. Totally can't understand it.

And Picasso isn't art, to me. But to the world, it's art. Whatever, the point is it sells moolah, and that's why it has value on it. Something doesn't have value on it, won't be sold for moolah. Rocket Science!

I said this one last time: Whatever has value to you or not can not be debatable, because I am NOT you, nor you are me. That's why we let Ebay decide the value, because it's free market. Understand? I can come here and say SC2 doesn't worth anything to me, even if free, so?

Edited, Aug 18th 2011 4:36am by Khornette
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#36 Aug 18 2011 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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a buddy pass is a complete game code. Its worth what a copy of the game is (I suppose slightly less than a regular copy since no disks/packaging). Its not worth less because it was at one time labeled free.
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#37 Aug 18 2011 at 12:22 PM Rating: Default
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I NEVER argued against the idea that the price people are willing to pay for something determines what it's market value is. I did however argue that it has approximately ********* to do with entertainment value.

Not everyone in the world races to eBay to find the market value for something when they make a trade. I commonly traded items in XI that sold for more on the auction house(the market in this case) than the item I was trading for. Why? Why would someone do that? Does it occur to you that sometimes people are willing to trade something that has more monetary value for something that they will get more entertainment or use from? Is it sinking in yet?

For this same reason, someone who has a buddy pass that eBay says they can get $10 for might be willing to trade for an SC2 pass that according to you is worth a dollar. Just because you are $.$ doesn't mean everyone else is.

Let it marinate on your brain, nod your head and walk the **** away.






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#38 Aug 18 2011 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
I NEVER argued against the idea that the price people are willing to pay for something determines what it's market value is. I did however argue that it has approximately ********* to do with entertainment value.

Not everyone in the world races to eBay to find the market value for something when they make a trade. I commonly traded items in XI that sold for more on the auction house(the market in this case) than the item I was trading for. Why? Why would someone do that? Does it occur to you that sometimes people are willing to trade something that has more monetary value for something that they will get more entertainment or use from? Is it sinking in yet?

For this same reason, someone who has a buddy pass that eBay says they can get $10 for might be willing to trade for an SC2 pass that according to you is worth a dollar. Just because you are $.$ doesn't mean everyone else is.

Let it marinate on your brain, nod your head and walk the @#%^ away.








Again, you fail to grasp YOUR entertainment value has approximately ********* to OTHER people. You like SC2, I don't like SC2. When can you get that into your head. And here you are telling me that I MUST like SC2, because you like it. Hence I MUST agree that SC2 Pass equals to a full copy of FFXIV/Buddy Pass. See where is this going? Let me say to you again, it is not equal at the very least to me. That is why I'm taking Ebay into account, because we obviously can't agree on this being solely in term of emotion. And if we can't agree in term of emotion, there is monetary value to be taking into consideration next. This is where you, in denial, trying to sway it back into the pointless sentimental argument.

I like PW, see it has over 50 millions account, that's like four to five times WoW. Therefore a PW free account registration must at least equal one full copy of SC2. How many has SC2 sold? Pfft only 5 millions, that's only 1/10 of PW. Just because you're all about $.$ doesn't mean everyone else is. Now shut up and trade it with me.

SC2 has not much entertainment value to me, get it? Just because you are all over SC2 doesn't mean everyone else is.

Edited, Aug 18th 2011 10:14pm by Khornette
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#39 Aug 18 2011 at 11:14 PM Rating: Default
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Again, you fail to grasp YOUR entertainment value has approximately ********* to OTHER people...
And here you are telling me that I MUST like SC2, because you like it.

Where? Where in my post did you get the idea that everyone must share the same opinion I do? I certainly didn't state that or even insinuate it. Feel free to quote, italicize, bold and underline whichever part of my post you thought I said that.

Don't try to argue opinion especially with far-fetched, half-assed analogies that have absolutely nothing to do with the original posts. Also, don't take what I post out of context, try to twist the meaning around and then attack your own (mis)comprehension of what was stated clearly. Anyone who reads this could see that is exactly what you are doing and it makes you look stupid.

As I am sure you must have the last word and no doubt will be taking that opportunity to spew out some more nonsense or distort my words even further, I have only one more thing to say to you...

These pancakes are fu¢king delicious <3

Edited, Aug 19th 2011 1:15am by FilthMcNasty
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#40 Aug 18 2011 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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BTW, this isn't just a terrible trade because the SC2 pass is time-limited--it's because Blizzard did away with SC2 trial passes and everyone can now play the "Starter Edition" of SC2.

Edited, Aug 15th 2011 9:46am by yfaithfully


And you replied.

FilthMcNasty wrote:
It's still fair because SC2 is a game people actually want to play.


Yep, fair. To who? You have been defending vigorously how much value a free pass would have over a full copy.

FilthMcNasty wrote:
Khornette wrote:
We are not here to compare which is the more popular/more value between the two games, [u]we are comparing[/b] the value between the two passes.

We are not comparing the value, we are comparing the value? Contradict much?


See how stupid I looked, or was it you?
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Would you rather pay a few bucks to have access to a few songs from the new album of your favorite band or free tix to a Justin Bieber concert?

I'd feel pretty stupid paying a few dollars for songs that the band was cheerfully giving away. You're missing the point here: there is now an open free trial for SC2. The trial code is worth nothing. It doesn't matter how much more fun SC2 might be -- a trial code to a game that has a universal free trial option literally and objectively has no value. A piece of paper with "free trile" written on it in crayon has exactly the same entertainment value as a SC2 trial code. You can try out the game just fine with either, or neither.

Edited, Aug 19th 2011 2:17am by Caesura
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Would you rather pay a few bucks to have access to a few songs from the new album of your favorite band or free tix to a Justin Bieber concert?

I'd feel pretty stupid paying a few dollars for songs that the band was cheerfully giving away. You're missing the point here: there is now an open free trial for SC2.

I only used that example to show how something that has 0 dollar value would be more useful or entertaining to someone than something you could sell. Go back and place this quote in context of the silly argument Khornette was making and it makes sense. Some people will pay(or trade) for something that has less(or zero) market value because it has other value to them(entertainment, sentimental or other).

The OP isn't selling passes, he wants to trade. The OP sounds like he genuinely wants to play the game and not swap passes so he can net a 9 dollar profit on eBay. Khornette is obviously not bright enough to grasp this concept, but I have faith that you can.

Look at it objectively for what these passes are. The SC2 pass is intended for people to get enough access to the game that they can make a decision on whether or not to purchase the full version. In essence, the buddy pass is the same thing. Right now XIV is not in a state that people will pay for it. As SE has stated themselves, they don't think it is worth paying for which is why the retail version is in the bargain bin and there is no subscription fee.

I don't have a crystal ball to gaze into the future, but I would imagine the most likely possibility to be that when XIV is finally in a state fit to pay for, two things will happen:
1) Subscription fees will be reinstated. (This will cost you money)
2) The PS3 version will be released with an expansion. (This will cost you more money)

So the real tradeoff is that one is a short trial of a game that is polished and ready to play and the other is a long trial of a game that needs a massive overhaul, but has the potential of becoming a game you will want to play. Either way, you will have to pay for the fully upgraded version of both.


Just to note: The 'open free trial' for SC2 isn't so open. You get a handful of campaign missions, challenge scenarios and iirc, zero multiplayer access. The 7 hour key is a timed key to a fully unlocked version of the game.


Edited, Aug 19th 2011 2:14pm by FilthMcNasty
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#43 Aug 19 2011 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
The 7 hour key is a timed key to a fully unlocked version of the game.


Slightly better than what's being given away for free, and timed for only a few hours? Wowie-zowie, where do I sign up!? >_>
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
The 7 hour key is a timed key to a fully unlocked version of the game.


Slightly better than what's being given away for free, and timed for only a few hours? Wowie-zowie, where do I sign up!? >_>

Some people like single-player campaigns, some people like the challenges and some like multi-player or any combination of the game modes. With the 7 hour pass at least you get to try them all. Regardless of what version of the trial you have, you should be able to get a pretty good idea if you will like the game or not. I'm not trying to make it seem like a better deal or even a better game, although that is my personal opinion. Just pointing out that in comparison, the offer of a buddy pass for an SC2 trial are about even. I don't recall any game that it's taken me longer than a few hours to figure out if I liked it or not. I won't count several hours it took to download XIV client or setting up C&B aka *********** & Botch.

It took me about three hours after being able to play to have formed a solid opinion about XIV. Battle system, controls and targeting issues and UI were all immediate. Guildleve repetition and lack of quests took a little longer. Instead of farming for tools I just rerolled DoL to try those out. Gathering is supposed to be boring and repetitive I guess, but I didn't like that I couldn't craft anything useful without having to first farm up enough gil for the tools, farm materials then level several crafts I wasn't really all that interested in(in some cases, higher than the skill I needed to craft the intended item).

I'm not gonna rehash all the problems of XIV, but I'm sure you could agree that most people would run into a great deal of them in their first few hours of play.
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Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream

HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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I only used that example to show how something that has 0 dollar value would be more useful or entertaining to someone than something you could sell.

Your continued repetition of this when it makes so little sense in the context of this thread had me baffled for a while, but I think I've figured it out:
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and iirc, zero multiplayer access.

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Play the first five missions of the epic single-player campaign and wage unrelenting war on your friends in pulse-pounding multi-player battles.

I mean, seriously, it's right there on the page that the link in this thread goes to. You've actually been arguing all this time without even bothering to click the link to see what makes the trial code so pointless.
#46 Aug 20 2011 at 12:32 AM Rating: Good
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wage unrelenting war on your friends in pulse-pounding multi-player battles.


Gosh, could they be any more heavy-handed? It sounds like an 80's-era toy ad. XD
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#47 Aug 20 2011 at 12:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean, seriously, it's right there on the page that the link in this thread goes to. You've actually been arguing all this time without even bothering to click the link to see what makes the trial code so pointless.

Bashiok, Community manager wrote:
Does the demo include a multiplayer mode?

The demo does not feature multiplayer gameplay, but you are able to play skirmish matches against computer-controlled opponents.

The quote above was lifted from 'Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty Demo FAQ' on the official forums.

Download it, install it and try to run multiplayer. If you can then I'll eat my words, but I generally trust info that comes from Bashiok. I usually check facts or use direct quotes, but I knew I had seen it before. Someone's info is incorrect, but if it's mine then it isn't really my fault. I had the 7 hour trial and then bought the game. The other demo may or may not work, but the post above says it doesn't.







Edited, Aug 20th 2011 2:41am by FilthMcNasty
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Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream

HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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