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#1 Aug 14 2011 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I have been playing this game for about 3 weeks now and the only thing that's holding me back from really enjoying the game is that gear seams worth less. Now I admit I am still a major noob when it comes to this game so I might be misunderstanding something. I don't understand being able to equip any gear at any level. Whats the point of working your way up to nice looking gear when any level can ware it? I am sure someone out there can set me strait on this. :)

Thanks for your time
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#2 Aug 14 2011 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
I'm fine with that actually. I never understood the logistics behind only certain levels being able to wear certain equipment. Man, anyone can wear a f***ing robe-- don't tell me I have to be level 30 to do it!
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#3 Aug 14 2011 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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@ Maffers7087

I'm not personally fond of the "all levels" gear but there are advantages to equipping the proper ranged gear for your character. The attributes scale back if you're too low for an item so you're not getting the maximum benefits from the items when you equip them.

For example you could equip some pimp rank 50 armor and not have as good a defensive stat as you would if you were to equip some canvas gear that is much closer to your level. You might LOOK cooler but your character is not as effective. And while I can not say for certain, the prevailing theory is that gear closer to your rank does not wear out as quickly. I'm not sure that this is true but I do know that your stats tend benefit more from equipping gear that is within your level range.

Hope this helps a little.
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#4 Aug 14 2011 at 5:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't worry, it seems the direction they're taking recently is to put required classes and ranks on gear now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the optimal system phased out entirely. Honestly it's a bit depressing. The current gear system could indeed use some adjusting, but having more freedom for what you can equip is great from a customization standpoint, as well as from a beliveability standpoint.

I can believe that someone may find a suit of armor too heavy, and it diminishes the benefits. I can't, however, believe that they simply can't put it on.

Gear doesn't need requirements to have meaning.
#5 Aug 14 2011 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I hope that the Crafted gears will always be Recommended (No requirement to wear) and not Required (well, Requirement to wear). That's the whole point of crafting and economy, to work for wealth and show your wealth.
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#6 Aug 14 2011 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
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Maffers7087 wrote:
gear seams worth less.


Yeah, the price of all sorts of crafting materials has gone down in price recently.
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#7 Aug 16 2011 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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Eh I like being able to put on something that is a little outside of recommended - just to save myself from either having to go naked or missing bits.

Like I really don't think wearing my rank 23 leather shoes (which give no gathering bonuses anyway) on my 21 BTN hurts anything. I just want to wear shoes and I don't care if they aren't perfect... you know? I just don't feel like hauling around 5-8 pairs of shoes with me
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#8 Aug 16 2011 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
I just don't feel like hauling around 5-8 pairs of shoes with me.


People have said that Olo is a female, but what kinda female doesn't have a half-dozen shoes for every occasion... Myth Busted!?
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#9 Aug 16 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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I strongly dislike the current gear situation, but that's most likely because it confuses me to no end. I'm sure if I understood it I could adapt and enjoy the flexibility, but it's immensely confusing in its current state and lack of clarification.

For instance, last night I decided to shelve my 23 Conj. and level Marauder. After picking up my weathered axe, I then began trying to figure out what gear I needed. It was so confusing and convoluted that I ended up spending hours looking up info here, on Google and searching the Wards - I didn't even get to level that new role.

I could wear the gear my Conj. had, but it's DoM stat-tailored and 20+ levels above recommended. What kind of stat penalty would I be looking at to wear it? And if I needed gear for the rank 1 Marauder, where do I get it, let alone any non-weapon gear for new class roles? The Wards don't have anything fitting for rank 1 characters that isn't a weapon, and were in very short supply of recommended rank 6 items, let alone not being able to filter them down by specific items for Marauder only.

I ended up doing a search here for 'weathered' and trying to filter down all the options it provided, but I was only seeing a 10-20% return on what could be purchased from an NPC. The rest had no source option.

And perhaps it all doesn't even matter and I should have ran out there on my level 1 ranking self and just starting whacking things in my rank 23 conj. gear, but that's a completely different mindset to get myself into in regards to how this game should be played with gear selection.

I'm most likely just over-thinking it but the system is quite confusing for those starting out, to the point where I actually dread having to look over and find a piece of gear for a new role.
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#10 Aug 16 2011 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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for level 1 just wear a bikini Whales... or your christmas suit or whatever. Doesn't really matter that much.

also if you can find some hemp cloth just make yourself a turban and some hemp gloves. It is stuff you can make at rank 1. No one really sells it anymore because the playerbase is so top heavy. I imagine that if anyone generally wants that stuff they just make it themselves or ask an LS mate to do it.

I did an experiment and put some level 1-6 stuff up on the wards and it actually sold quite nicely. The problem was it is a lot of work for no profit (not even skill points really since the finished products are lower ranked than the mats).
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#11 Aug 16 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
I just don't feel like hauling around 5-8 pairs of shoes with me.


People have said that Olo is a female, but what kinda female doesn't have a half-dozen shoes for every occasion... Myth Busted!?


I am a ****. Does that help?
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#12 Aug 16 2011 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
for level 1 just wear a bikini Whales... or your christmas suit or whatever. Doesn't really matter that much.


I'm starting to see that. At that point then, I have to wonder what the purpose of recommended levels are anyway? If we're going to have this immense flexibility to equip whatever gear we'd like (which is nice, don't get me wrong there) why not have the system dynamically update the stats on the gear for us when we're browsing based upon our role level?

Forget the recommended part of it, just present the entire gauntlet of available pieces for the role and allow us to pick and choose our items based upon how we see the stats fluctuate.

That's the roundabout description of what we have now, but dropping the whole 'recommended' part.

Edited, Aug 16th 2011 2:59pm by Whales
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#13 Aug 16 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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yeah I honestly wish that the system was more "see through" as it were. Like you equip the item and see the stats on the item drop to show what the "actual effective stats" are.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like the idea of more restricted items, but it is also nice to have a bunch of generic crap that I can wear if I just don't want that slot to be empty.

All the best gear should be hard locked to give people that sense of accomplishment when it comes to equipping it.

But I don't see the harm in having a bunch of mediocre gear that you can just toss on while you're doing some simple leves.
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#14 Aug 16 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
I just don't feel like hauling around 5-8 pairs of shoes with me.


People have said that Olo is a female, but what kinda female doesn't have a half-dozen shoes for every occasion... Myth Busted!?


I am a ****. Does that help?


Can't hide behind that. Even those swinging for the other team still like shoes!

It's genetic.

#15 Aug 16 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's what you do: Just go find any gear in the market wards that's reasonably priced, favors your class and is within 10-20 ranks of your level. Once you start to get more used to the game, you'll get a sense for what is actually good for you, and what has important stats.

Here's a protip: Base gear stats like defense/evasion, etc. are not calculated on any kind of crazy rank-curve. Wearing platemail, regardless of what optimal rank it is, will always give you more defense and less evasion than chain, and so on and so forth, down the line. (This may change a bit if you're not favored for the armor, but I'm talking about optimal ranks)

The main difference between MRD and CON gear is going to be if it favors you, but also defense vs evasion, etc. Just go get some leather or chain armor that favors MRD, anything is fine. Don't look for stuff that's really low rank, honestly, grabbing something in the teens and twenties is fine. You'll grow into it, and for the first 10 levels, as many say, it doesn't really matter what you're wearing. You're going to get a lot more defense from chainmail or platemail, even at lv5, than you would from hempen gear.

Torrence wrote:
Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
I just don't feel like hauling around 5-8 pairs of shoes with me.


People have said that Olo is a female, but what kinda female doesn't have a half-dozen shoes for every occasion... Myth Busted!?


I am a ****. Does that help?


Can't hide behind that. Even those swinging for the other team still like shoes!

It's genetic.



If she had merely stated she was a *******, this comment would be appropriate. I think she means she wears construction boots and plaid shirts. But alas, I fear I have taken this entire topic far too seriously...
#16 Aug 16 2011 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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@OP
OK in simplest terms, using armor that is optimal level, and class will grant you full benefits of that armor. ex using r20 body with 30HP will give 30HP at rank 20, if using r50 body with 50HP you get 20HP or so.
As well as brake down extremely slowly, this a fact. ex using rank 20 at r20 weapon will lose a % dura every 50hits, rank 50weapon at 20 will lose a % dura every 5hits.
As for optimal armor it will be changed in to class/job/level specific like in nearly all games. So no more mages level 20 runing in lrvel50 plate.
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#17 Aug 16 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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RamseySylph wrote:


If she had merely stated she was a *******, this comment would be appropriate. I think she means she wears construction boots and plaid shirts. But alas, I fear I have taken this entire topic far too seriously...


Construction boots count as shoes though! Perhaps not the most stylish, but they are still technically footwear.

There is nothing shameful whatsoever about preferring construction boots over clogs. It's all a matter of taste!
In fact, I think that SE ought to give all female characters extra slots just for holding footwear. It could be like 2-3 extra slots next to the main slot in the gear screen. If we can have off-hand equipment, why not off-foot?
#18 Aug 16 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Iron Chef Olorinus wrote:
I just don't feel like hauling around 5-8 pairs of shoes with me.


People have said that Olo is a female, but what kinda female doesn't have a half-dozen shoes for every occasion... Myth Busted!?


I am a ****. Does that help?

Well played.
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