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#1 Aug 22 2011 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for all the advice so far. After reading what everyone had to say and browsing around Newegg a little bit, I think I've put together what I want in a PC.
-Windows 7 64-bit
-AMD Phenom II x6 1100T (3.3ghz) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103913
-8Gb RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220570
-Radeon HD 6850 Gpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150516
-Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128510
-Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697
I already have a tower and dvd drive. I was wondering if anyone sees anything really wrong with this setup. I'm not a computer expert, so if there's an incompatibility issue, I would be liable to miss it. :[
Also, will a 530watt power supply support this system???
Thank you!!!!

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*Hello FFXIV-Zam community!
(If this is too lengthy, the main point is I need help picking out a video card.)
I recently purchased and began playing FFXIV. So far I'm enjoying it, and as I've been meaning to purchase a new PC lately, I figure I should get on that now to improve my gaming experience. For background, my current computer benchmarks a 107 on the official benchmark program. Yes, a 107. I can run the game on absolute minimum settings, with long load screens, some lag and what seems like an okay FPS.
My current specs are:
-Windows 7 64-bit
-Intel Celeron CPU 420 1.60 Ghz
-3Gb RAM
-GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS

(If I am missing anything important here let me know.)

I am looking to purchase an entirely new PC. I have read many threads on PC construction. (Including the couple already in these forums.) The main thing I'm confused on is the video card. I don't really understand the differences between them. Even when I search for the video cards Square-Enix recommends for FFXIV, I get several different companies with similar looking details, and prices ranging from 100$-400$.

If anyone can post their specifications, what they benchmarked, and on which settings (and how smoothly) they run the game, that would be very helpful.

I would like to run the game on AT LEAST standard settings. (Obviously higher is fine.)Plus it would be nice to have a computer that could go without a hardware upgrade for several years.
My total price range should be about 500$-900$, but mostly I need assistance picking out a video card.

Thank you so much for your time and help.*


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Edited, Aug 27th 2011 9:21pm by IAmIosif
#2 Aug 22 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you're having trouble figuring out which graphics card is better, check this link, then click the heading "Rank (lower is better)" so that the triangle points up.

At the very least I would start with this:

Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 (ranked 50, $99.99 after mail-in rebate)

If you want to step it up a bit you could go with a Radeon 6850 (ranked 12th, $139.99 after mail-in rebate), or one of the nVidia cards depending on your budget.

Goodluck.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2011 8:44pm by akirussan
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The benchmark really isn't a good way to gauge how good the game will run (it's not optimized very well and a lot of changes have been made since the benchmark was released), which is evident by your score alone if you're only getting a score of 100 but can still play the game. If you're looking to play this game with decent frames on at least standard settings, you're looking to spend about the max of your budget (maybe a little bit more).

Here's some stuff I picked out on newegg that should be able to play this game on standard settings without too many problems...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130661
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131705
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231443
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Total comes out to be around $990 without shipping or promo codes. I don't know if this would last you several years though if you plan on gaming a lot, but it would be good for at least 3-4 years I'd guess. You could also probably skimp on a few things, like the hard drive or the motherboard, to lower the price a little bit. Or if you still have the disc for your current OS and the serial key for it, you could skip buying a new copy of W7 and just reinstall your copy from your old PC on to the new one and save yourself $100.
#4 Aug 22 2011 at 10:31 PM Rating: Decent
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nekroturkey wrote:
The benchmark really isn't a good way to gauge how good the game will run (it's not optimized very well and a lot of changes have been made since the benchmark was released), which is evident by your score alone if you're only getting a score of 100 but can still play the game. If you're looking to play this game with decent frames on at least standard settings, you're looking to spend about the max of your budget (maybe a little bit more).

Here's some stuff I picked out on newegg that should be able to play this game on standard settings without too many problems...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130661
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131705
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231443
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Total comes out to be around $990 without shipping or promo codes. I don't know if this would last you several years though if you plan on gaming a lot, but it would be good for at least 3-4 years I'd guess. You could also probably skimp on a few things, like the hard drive or the motherboard, to lower the price a little bit. Or if you still have the disc for your current OS and the serial key for it, you could skip buying a new copy of W7 and just reinstall your copy from your old PC on to the new one and save yourself $100.


This would be a perfect build, it's what I would of suggested too. You should get at least 2 year minimum before thinking of an upgrade. And it would be easy enough as throwing in a different graphics card in a year or 2. The reason you can't just do that now in your system is the old processor and powersupply of that system won't be able to handle it.

The best way to think about graphics cards is the numbering. 5xx would be the series, the higher the newer. But within that series, your have 590, 580, 570, 560 and 550. The higher that number the better the graphics card. The best bang for you buck in terms of performance is the Nvidia 560 Ti. The GTX560 is actually a little slower than the Ti. Um for people who know graphics cards we look at benchmarks, comparisons and reviews from sites like tomshardware, pcper and guru3d.

And if you need anymore help building and installing the parts watch this video, they explain a lot and these guys are awesome.

http://www.tested.com/news/how-to-build-a-future-proof-1500-gaming-pc/2003/

Edited, Aug 23rd 2011 12:40am by XellossM
#5 Aug 22 2011 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
I am running an AMD 5000+ @ 2.0 (or maybe 2.6) GHz with 4GB ram and a nVIDIA 460GT, i run all graphics settigns on standard or better and the game runs great with very minimal lag in busy areas. partying and other stuff runs smoothly with no lag.

I would say you could get away with 2ghz 4gb ram and a 400series nvidia card or a 4000 series radeon although at this point a 500 series nvidia or 5000 series radeon isnt too hard to get
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#6 Aug 23 2011 at 1:17 AM Rating: Decent
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When building a new PC you should always start with a *very* good PSU (certified at least as 80 silver). Keep using the power supply calculator which most manufactories offer on their sites to see if you have enough power. Pick a CPU. Then move on to choosing a mainboard. There are tons of good ones, so depending on your budget, choose wisely. Move on to the memory....and so on.


As for a video-card. Go for Nvidia. ATI just dont deliver when it comes to good drivers.
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ATI just dont deliver when it comes to good drivers


stop it right now fanboy. ATI drivers are perfectly fineand should not be used as a bearing on picking a GPU.

you should pick a GPU based on your budget and desired resolution and whats the best for it whether that be ATI(AMD) or Nvidia.

Back to the OP - just upgrading the GPU will help but any decent GPU will be totally bottlenecked by your extremely poor CPU, im guessing incorrecly configure RAM too ie.e 3x1GB sticks will force the RAM to run in single channel and thus will have a negative impact on performance (it would be faster with 2GB of RAM in dual channel)

personally id look at a new PC even a budget gaming will have tons more horsepower than what you currently have. you dont have to go with a SB 2500K to get the game to play well.

A phenom II X4 955 with 4GB of DDR 1600mhz, decent mobo, 500W PSU (decent one) and something like a 460GTX or AMD 6850 will handle the game @ 1920x1080 on good settings.
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nekroturkey wrote:
You could also probably skimp on a few things, like the hard drive or the motherboard, to lower the price a little bit. Or if you still have the disc for your current OS and the serial key for it, you could skip buying a new copy of W7 and just reinstall your copy from your old PC on to the new one and save yourself $100.

He could also skip the DVD drive as he most likely already has one. The case is also unnecessary if the old one is large enough. My case is like a billion years old and while it's not as good as current day cases, I'm not going to pay $100+ for better looks and a slight improvement in air flow.

I don't know what kind of PSU he has. It's likely not strong enough for the system he'll want to go for but if it is, there is no need to buy that, either.
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#9 Aug 23 2011 at 4:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Based on your specs you would have to spend way too much to upgrade or replace what you can and run this game at reasonable settings. It just doesn't make sense unless you play other PC games a lot and are looking to get performance for other reasons as well. If you have money to burn then go for it, but the best advice you will find about building a rig you can find on these forums is this:

Don't do it.

Stick it out with what you have until PS3 version comes out. Not only do you get to see what direction the game is headed by then, but you save yourself some money and can look at just picking up the PS3 version. $300 is much less than you would have to spend to bring your system up to spec to enjoy XIV at moderate settings with a good framerate.


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#10 Aug 23 2011 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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Wow. Thanks a ton for all the advice.
I realize I have much to consider, but so far I think I'll be able to find a computer that suits me much easier now than before.
If I find the exact build I'm thinking of going with I may post it here quickly before purchasing just to get some last minute opinions.

Also, I realize upgrading my current system or purchasing a new PC JUST for FFXIV is a waste of money.
I've been intending to get a new computer recently for many reasons, and I'm trying to coordinate it with moving into a new apartment soon. I'd just like it if that new computer was also capable of running FFXIV.

Thanks again!
#11 Aug 23 2011 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
I wish I knew you personally, I would offer to put your PC together for you. ( I cannabilized 3 different non-working PCs to build mine. ^^; ) But I wish you the best of luck. One other thing I can recommend is this: a 2.0 GHz Dual Core will bottleneck FFXIV if using 32 bit windows (maxing out the useable ram which is iirc 3GB) and even a moderately decent graphics card. I highly recommend getting a quad-core processor running somewhere around 3.0 GHz. Also using a 10 year old hard drive is only bearable for so long. >.>;;
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#12 Aug 23 2011 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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IAmIosif wrote:


Also, I realize upgrading my current system or purchasing a new PC JUST for FFXIV is a waste of money.
I've been intending to get a new computer recently for many reasons, and I'm trying to coordinate it with moving into a new apartment soon. I'd just like it if that new computer was also capable of running FFXIV.



Don't get too scared by the required specs -- you can build an adequate PC with little money.

Something like a a Phenom II x6 1055T ($149)
Nvidia GTX 460 1GB Video Card ($129)
AMD Motherboard (~$75)
8GB RAM ($45)

If you have an existing hard drive and case/power supply then you're good to go and will get great performance for under $400. Even if you had to get a new case/ps/hd it would only be $150 more.

I use a similar build and have detail/textures on High and other settings at standard with 4x AA and run it on a 1920x1200 screen. If you're running at a lower resolution you could probably set the graphic detail even higher.

I'm totally satisfied with my performance - go for it!
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gamefaqspc.wikispaces.com

I used to edit this wiki with people from gamefaqs, if you want to just learn there is a lot of good information there

http://gamefaqspc.wikispaces.com/Video+Card

that page can help you decipher naming schemes, and this page
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,2997-7.html
can help you in picking the card thats right for you for performance/price

Radeon 5770 is the minimum you would want (ignore the 6770 its the same card as the 5770 repackaged) and just go up from there Price/performance within ur budget
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IAmIosif wrote:
Also, I realize upgrading my current system or purchasing a new PC JUST for FFXIV is a waste of money.

It's not a waste of money if you're going to use it for other things, just pointing out that for what you will need to run this game at comparable performance, it will cost much more than a PS3.

I'm just worried by your initial post. You stated you mostly needed help picking out a GPU, but the CPU is actually much more important. If you ever plan on running XIV well on a PC then just save up. You can get ok performance from some of the things listed above, but if you decide at some point you want eye candy then you'll likely be shelling out more dough than you needed to if you just waited.
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30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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nekroturkey wrote:
You could also probably skimp on a few things, like the hard drive or the motherboard, to lower the price a little bit. Or if you still have the disc for your current OS and the serial key for it, you could skip buying a new copy of W7 and just reinstall your copy from your old PC on to the new one and save yourself $100.

He could also skip the DVD drive as he most likely already has one. The case is also unnecessary if the old one is large enough. My case is like a billion years old and while it's not as good as current day cases, I'm not going to pay $100+ for better looks and a slight improvement in air flow.

I don't know what kind of PSU he has. It's likely not strong enough for the system he'll want to go for but if it is, there is no need to buy that, either.


i'm going to have to dissagree with you on the part about a new computer case. you can find good deals for around 100$-150$ on very good quality cases.

personally i got this one which was around 100$ on e-bay and you will be hard pressed to find a better case than this for the price. airflow is excellent and is very roomy inside with additional space on theother side of where the motherboard would be to hide excess wires. it is also very easy to clean air filters and add in additional drives.

http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=Njkz

Edited, Aug 23rd 2011 5:58pm by Keysofgaruda
#16 Aug 27 2011 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks so much for all the help so far. I feel like I'm really close to finishing up my PC build.
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Processor:
x6 is not what you want. If you're trying to maximize performance in XIV you want the highest base clock speed you can get in a quad core.

RAM:
Even if you do decide to go with that processor, you'll wanna stick to 1333 Mhz RAM with low latency if it suits your fancy. For most purposes it won't matter, but tighter timings do show better results in some programs.

GPU:
Personal preference, but I've found that nVidia GTX400+ series processors outperform the 6xxx radeons. I don't like the stutter that comes along with ATI cards.

As for the PSU I'd push for something bigger. Even though you might not need it now, it'll allow you to expand later on.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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I'm going to throw in a few suggestions here:

CPU:
If you plan to use this PC for primarily gaming, you would be much better off with an Intel i5 2500k than the hexacore Phenom. Most current games will not take advantage of 4 cores, let alone 6. The more advanced architecture of the 2500k along with the high overclockability (4Ghz is easy as cake and 4.5-4.8Ghz is well within reason with a good cooling solution) will net you much more gaming performance than the extra cores on the Phenom. Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture is the new hotness and blows everything away for gaming currently, while the Phenom line from AMD is on its way out. If you do other things such as video encoding or rendering though that can take advantage of 6 cores then the Phenom would make sense.

Motherboard:
If you do change out the CPU for the 2500k I recommend either ASUS' P8Z68 Pro or Gigabyte's GA-Z68X-UD4. Either would be a great choice, I own the P67 version of the Gigabyte board and love it. All black is **** too.

PSU:
A 530W power supply will definitely support that system but you might want to go up to 650-750W in case you decide you want to use two graphics cards in Crossfire in the future for more graphics horesepower. I cannot stress this enough but be sure to get one from a reliable manufacturer!. A quality PSU is the backbone of any good PC. A bad PSU can go burn out and take your expensive components with it, and it will be ugly. I personally only trust Corsair, Seasonic and Antec as far as power supplies go (Though I may be biased). The Corsair CX500 is a good lower-end choice in my book or the TX750 is good if you want to have the option for Crossfire later.

HDD:
The Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB is one of the best drives on the market currently. Screaming fast, reliable and cheap too. Another great choice would be a Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB, though it is a bit more expensive.

The RAM and GPU both look good to me, XFX and Patriot are well known brands.
EDIT: this article by Anandtech shows that a higher speed and slower timings actually nets more performance than fast timings and a lower frequency, though the performance won't be very noticeable in a real world scenario.

Hope this helps, if you have any more questions about any of this, or if you need to cut down your budget at all, let me know. I'm happy to help!


Edited, Aug 28th 2011 8:16am by Degausser
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There is nothing wrong with your setup. Everyone will have suggestions and opinions but what you've listed will run the game fine.
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Degausser the Ludicrous wrote:
I'm going to throw in a few suggestions here:

CPU:
If you plan to use this PC for primarily gaming, you would be much better off with an Intel i5 2500k than the hexacore Phenom. Most current games will not take advantage of 4 cores, let alone 6. The more advanced architecture of the 2500k along with the high overclockability (4Ghz is easy as cake and 4.5-4.8Ghz is well within reason with a good cooling solution) will net you much more gaming performance than the extra cores on the Phenom. Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture is the new hotness and blows everything away for gaming currently, while the Phenom line from AMD is on its way out. If you do other things such as video encoding or rendering though that can take advantage of 6 cores then the Phenom would make sense.

Motherboard:
If you do change out the CPU for the 2500k I recommend either ASUS' P8Z68 Pro or Gigabyte's GA-Z68X-UD4. Either would be a great choice, I own the P67 version of the Gigabyte board and love it. All black is **** too.

PSU:
A 530W power supply will definitely support that system but you might want to go up to 650-750W in case you decide you want to use two graphics cards in Crossfire in the future for more graphics horesepower. I cannot stress this enough but be sure to get one from a reliable manufacturer!. A quality PSU is the backbone of any good PC. A bad PSU can go burn out and take your expensive components with it, and it will be ugly. I personally only trust Corsair, Seasonic and Antec as far as power supplies go (Though I may be biased). The Corsair CX500 is a good lower-end choice in my book or the TX750 is good if you want to have the option for Crossfire later.

HDD:
The Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB is one of the best drives on the market currently. Screaming fast, reliable and cheap too. Another great choice would be a Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB, though it is a bit more expensive.

The RAM and GPU both look good to me, XFX and Patriot are well known brands.
EDIT: this article by Anandtech shows that a higher speed and slower timings actually nets more performance than fast timings and a lower frequency, though the performance won't be very noticeable in a real world scenario.

Hope this helps, if you have any more questions about any of this, or if you need to cut down your budget at all, let me know. I'm happy to help!


Edited, Aug 28th 2011 8:16am by Degausser


I agree with the CPU, but I would say to go for a P8P67 unless they intend on using SSD caching or Lucid Logic and it would help reduce the price.


Edited, Aug 28th 2011 4:05pm by Shadowspell
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Degausser the Ludicrous wrote:
The RAM and GPU both look good to me, XFX and Patriot are well known brands.

The RAM he has listed isn't supported by the mobo maker. Not that unlisted RAM won't work, but he's a newbie builder... I'd stick to supported RAM anyway because there are some really nice options listed.
Degausser the Ludicrous wrote:
EDIT: this article by Anandtech shows that a higher speed and slower timings actually nets more performance than fast timings and a lower frequency, though the performance won't be very noticeable in a real world scenario.

Keep in mind that he linked a phenom processor, not the sandy bridge. Doesn't really make sense to link RAM info for a processor he didn't state he was going to use. You and I both know it's a better(more expensive) choice, but not for his setup listed here.

AMD phenom series processors IMCs work better(most of the time) when RAM runs at 1333 MHz. Not that you can't run at 1600+, but many people run into issues doing that. Keeping this in mind and also that he's an amateur builder, he should probably do everything to avoid running into issues.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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I agree with the CPU, but I would say to go for a P8P67 unless they intend on using SSD caching or Lucid Logic and it would help reduce the price.

Good point, a P67 board would probably be a more logical choice.

FilthMcNasty wrote:

The RAM he has listed isn't supported by the mobo maker. Not that unlisted RAM won't work, but he's a newbie builder... I'd stick to supported RAM anyway because there are some really nice options listed.
Degausser the Ludicrous wrote:

EDIT: this article by Anandtech shows that a higher speed and slower timings actually nets more performance than fast timings and a lower frequency, though the performance won't be very noticeable in a real world scenario.


Keep in mind that he linked a phenom processor, not the sandy bridge. Doesn't really make sense to link RAM info for a processor he didn't state he was going to use. You and I both know it's a better(more expensive) choice, but not for his setup listed here.

AMD phenom series processors IMCs work better(most of the time) when RAM runs at 1333 MHz. Not that you can't run at 1600+, but many people run into issues doing that. Keeping this in mind and also that he's an amateur builder, he should probably do everything to avoid running into issues.


Thanks for catching that, I was writing that at 10AM after working a graveyard shift, I was kinda out of it.
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Degausser the Ludicrous wrote:
Thanks for catching that, I was writing that at 10AM after working a graveyard shift, I was kinda out of it.

No worries. In the decade or so of experience I have, I have never had more issues with anything than I have had with RAM. Especially with AMD builds.
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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Few niggles with the build.

1 - The AMD X6 is a massive waste for gaming offering poor value for money. Dont get me wrong it excels in multithreaded applications but not in games which use 4 cores or less and the majority use 2 although its getting better. You will see the same performance or better from a phenom II X4 955/965 (also overclocks better. OR an intel 2500K build although not sure how the price will change could be worth a look as sandy bridge is leagues faster than anything AMS have got at the moment

2 - 8GB of RAM is also a waste and will provide zero benefit to games. Although many other programs such as photoshop, video editing etc do benefit from lots of RAM. Please grab 1600mhz RAM as 1333mhz is the same price and does have a slight impact on performance - timings DO NOT effect anything other than benchmark scores nowadays. Out of years of building PCs i have never ran into issue with AMD systems with RAM running at 1600mhz. In fact i built 5 recently and all have 1600mhz RAM running at 1600mhz.

3- swap the hard drive for a samung F3 1TB or the WD 1TB black as they cost the same or cheaper and are faster.

4- PSU 550-650W will provide ample power and allow for future GPU upgrades (not SLI or Xfire though)
make sure it is a good one though such as corsair, be quiet, seasonic etc as cheap ones tend to have poor rails and often dont output what they are rated at.

5 - GPU is a decent choice but if you could grab a bargin 5850 at a similar price it would be better as its faster slightly. I know the naming scheme doesnt suggest it but the replacement for the 5850 was the 6950 the 6850 replaced the 5750/5570


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#25 Aug 30 2011 at 4:09 AM Rating: Decent
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BlackstarrStrife wrote:
Few niggles with the build.

1 - The AMD X6 is a massive waste for gaming offering poor value for money. Dont get me wrong it excels in multithreaded applications but not in games which use 4 cores or less and the majority use 2 although its getting better.

I'll agree that XIV is a game that uses fewer cores(normally two), but the x6 isn't a poor value. You should read up on the feature that downclocks unused cores and boosts frequency of those cores being used. With that said it doesn't have the base clock speed or the overclocking capability of an intel processor which makes those a better choice, but that doesn't devalue the processor, it speaks to the poor quality of coding on SE's part.

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Please grab 1600mhz RAM as 1333mhz is the same price and does have a slight impact on performance - timings DO NOT effect anything other than benchmark scores nowadays.

The IMC of AMD processors, specifically phenom II as he listed, are known to have issues running at 1600 MHz sometimes. I'm not suggesting he will always have issues, but if he's planning on overclocking then it is something he will definitely need to keep in mind.

I built a system with a 1090T(similar x6) and pushing past 4.1 GHz overclocks, I started having issues running RAM above 1333 MHz. Never got the system stable @ 4.2 and above with 1600 speeds, but had much less headache pushing past that @ 1333. The IMC and RAM can work against each other. When you overclock the IMC you usually have to increase voltages to the CPU/NB which creates heat and causes stability issues. Just something to be aware of.

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 6:09am by FilthMcNasty
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Please do not forget the Power Supply. It is the most important piece. Something between 500 and 600 watts will be perfect for this system.

Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, Thermaltake's Toughpower series, and some of XFX's PSUs are nice as well. If in doubt, just check out http://www.jonnyguru.com

Most Corsair and XFX PSU's are re-branded Seasonic units. You pay more sometimes for a Seasonic, but IMO they have the best ones.
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Please do not forget the Power Supply. It is the most important piece. Something between 500 and 600 watts will be perfect for this system.

Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, Thermaltake's Toughpower series, and some of XFX's PSUs are nice as well. If in doubt, just check out http://www.jonnyguru.com

Most Corsair and XFX PSU's are re-branded Seasonic units. You pay more sometimes for a Seasonic, but IMO they have the best ones.


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#28 Sep 04 2011 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Here is my current setup, just as a reference.

MSI 790FX-GD70 motherboard (bought used on ebay a year ago for $110)
AMD 965 (oc'd to 3.8 stable for the past year on air)
4GB Adata 1333
Seagate 1.5TB 7200 rpm HDD
Powercooler 650 watt power supply (not certified and I'm playing with fire. Get a good PS as others have stated just for piece of mind)
MSI Hawk 5770 (oc'd to 925/1275 easily, while playing I run 55-65* c)

With these items I play FFXIV windowed @ 1600x900 while having several tabs on firefox open. In Ul'dah I average 25-30 fps and out in the open I get 55-60 fps (according to fraps)

I hope this helps and good luck to you :)

Edit: Forgot to mention the settings. I have everything set to standard except shadows, which are on low. AA is also turned off.

Edited, Sep 4th 2011 12:12pm by jhariya
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